Good day, fellas. Regarding the ruthless killings of Christians by these Islamic terrorists, should Christian fold their arms or retalate?

We've gone pass the era of fighting fire with water.

Kriss216:
We've gone pass the era of fighting fire with water.

The Christians better wake up and take the Bull by the Horn. The Law of "an eye for an eye, A tooth for a tooth" needs to take its place. U do me, i do u, God no vex.

We don't need to revenge because God will revenge for us. Watch out, before this month ends you'll see the calamities that will befall muslim terrorists.

Shalommy:
We don't need to revenge because God will revenge for us. Watch out, before this month ends you'll see the calamities that will befall muslim terrorists.

Funny you didn't end this your post with CHAI

Discus on ground
You keep waiting on God till they wipe y'all clean from the chessboard

Candidlady:


Funny you didn't end this your post with CHAI

Discus on ground
You keep waiting on God till they wipe y'all clean from the chessboard

Baby, they can't wipe us all. We're stronger than them but killing is not our way.

I don't know if it is the Hausa man in me that is speaking. Either or, I strongly believe in self defence as a God-given right. I live in a 99.9% Muslim populated area. We seem to flow okay considering our common cultural history. However, I am aware of their tendencies. I keep our relationship formal and extend Kingdom love when the opportunity presents itself.
However, I will not be trampled unjustly. If I notice any sign of aggression, I will withdraw from there. But if chased with the intention of harm to me and mine, by God, I will not go down alone.

Truvelisback:
Good day, fellas. Regarding the ruthless killings of Christians by these Islamic terrorists, should Christian fold their arms or retalate?

Jesus Christ gave explicit instructions to His followers where retaliation for any wrong is concerned.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’
39 But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40 If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41 If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42 Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you. - Matthew 5 vs 38 - 42

Jesus Christ Himself told you not to fight back when attacked. So, do you obey Him or do you not?

Gagare1:
I don't know if it is the Hausa man in me that is speaking. Either or, I strongly believe in self defence as a God-given right. I live in a 99.9% Muslim populated area. We seem to flow okay considering our common cultural history. However, I am aware of their tendencies. I keep our relationship formal and extend Kingdom love when the opportunity presents itself.
However, I will not be trampled unjustly. If I notice any sign of aggression, I will withdraw from there. But if chased with the intention of harm to me and mine, by God, I will not go down alone.

Well, are you sure this right you claim is of God or instead of you?

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’
39 But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40 If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41 If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42 Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you. - Matthew 5 vs 38 - 42

Jesus Christ Himself told you not to fight back when attacked. So, do you obey Him or do you not?

Shalommy:
We don't need to revenge because God will revenge for us. Watch out, before this month ends you'll see the calamities that will befall muslim terrorists.

Does that mean u won't defend urself? See, let's keep that aside first. The people we are talking abt don't value human lives. Until Christians become Radical, it won't stop. How would u fill if someone Slaughter ur love one(s) like Chicken?

Kobojunkie:
Well, are you sure this right you claim is of God or instead of you?
Jesus Christ Himself told you not to fight back when attacked. So, do you obey Him or do you not?

So, if Someone comes to ur room with a very Sharp Cutlass to Butcher u, u won't defend urself?

Truvelisback:
Does that mean u won't defend urself? See, let's kept that aside first. The people we are talking abt don't value human lives. Until Christians become Radical, it won't stop. How would u fill if someone Slaughter ur love one(s) like Chicken?

So Christians should altogether abandon Jesus Christ in order that they may save their own lives here on earth, that is what you are suggesting as one who claims to be Christian?

Truvelisback:
So, if Someone comes to ur room with a very Sharp Cutlass to Butcher u, u won't defend urself?

Exactly as Jesus Christ commands.

Kobojunkie:
Exactly as Jesus Christ commands.

I am asking u. Won't u defend urself, if someone comes with a Very Sharp cutlass to kill u?

Truvelisback:
I am asking u. Won't u defend urself, if someone comes with a Very Sharp cutlass to kill u?

And I answered you saying I would do exactly as Jesus Christ commands.

Gagare1:
I don't know if it is the Hausa man in me that is speaking. Either or, I strongly believe in self defence as a God-given right. I live in a 99.9% Muslim populated area. We seem to flow okay considering our common cultural history. However, I am aware of their tendencies. I keep our relationship formal and extend Kingdom love when the opportunity presents itself.
However, I will not be trampled unjustly. If I notice any sign of aggression, I will withdraw from there. But if chased with the intention of harm to me and mine, by God, I will not go down alone.

God has given us 5 and 6 senses to reason. Sometimes, God expects us to use our Brain. Let's say a Terrorist came to rape a Christian Lady in a room, and the lady has the opportunity to defend herself using a weapon, like a knife, cutlass or even wood in other to escape, do expect the Christian lady to fold her arms and allow the terrorist rape her because God would avenge her?

Truvelisback, God is not a fool.... certainly not your fool. He is Wisdom Himself but if you think you know better than He does, why not altogether abandon God and go it alone in these things since you seem to believe your way is better than God's way.

Why pretend to hold on to belief which you are diametrically opposed to? You gain absolutely nothing good by this. c

A first century Jewish carpenter known as Jesus of Nazareth said:

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:43-48



How does man's order sound to you, wise or foolish?

Candidlady:


Funny you didn't end this your post with CHAI

Discus on ground
You keep waiting on God till they wipe y'all clean from the chessboard

I wonder. So, even if a terrorist tries to rape u, and u have the opportunity to defend urself and escape, u shouldn't because God will come down from Heaven to save u, lol.

Kobojunkie:
Truvelisback, God is not a fool.... certainly not your fool. He is Wisdom Himself but if you think you know better than He does, why not altogether abandon God and go it alone in these things since you seem to believe your way is better than God's way.

Why pretend to hold on to belief which you are diametrically opposed to? You gain absolutely nothing good by this. c

God won't do everything for u. There are things u must do for urself.

MaxInDHouse:
A first century Jewish carpenter known as Jesus of Nazareth said:

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:43-48



How does man's order sound to you, wise or foolish?

Have u red abt what Jesus Christ did to the people who turned the House of God to Market place? He threw away their Properties, destroy their properties and even whip them.

Truvelisback:
God won't do everything for u. There are things u must do for urself.

So, when God said.....

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’
39 But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40 If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41 If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42 Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you. - Matthew 5 vs 38 - 42

You instead take that to mean God wants you to do these things for yourself?,

Truvelisback:
Have u red abt what Jesus Christ did to the people who turned the House of God to Market place? He threw away their Properties, destroy their properties and even whip them.

Those people never use VIOLENCE rather they were doing business inside a place designated for worship.
But here you are talking about people who are VIOLENT unlike those doing business in the temple this ones strongly believe they're fighting for God. So did Jesus of Nazareth ordered his followers to go for VIOLENCE against VIOLENCE?

MaxInDHouse:

Those people never use VIOLENCE rather they were doing business inside a place designated for worship.
But here you are talking about people who are VIOLENT unlike those doing business in the temple this ones strongly believe they're fighting for God. So did Jesus of Nazareth ordered his followers to go for VIOLENCE against VIOLENCE?

Do u think Jesus wouldn't have defend Himself if not for His mission to redeem mankind with His Blood?

Kobojunkie:
Well, are you sure this right you claim is of God or instead of you?
Jesus Christ Himself told you not to fight back when attacked. So, do you obey Him or do you not?

Check this out (Luke 22:35-38)
35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals,(A) did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’[a];(B) and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That’s enough!” he replied.
The sword is not for attack, but defence.

Truvelisback:
Do u think Jesus wouldn't have defend Himself if not for His mission to redeem mankind with His Blood?

Jesus Christ didn't redeem mankind with His blood. Instead He provided for mankind a path to redemption by the shedding of His blood which is completely different from what you claimed.

Gagare1:

Check this out (Luke 22:35-38)
35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals,(A) did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’[a]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”
“That’s enough!” he replied.
The sword is not for attack, but defence.

If you continued down through to the end of that same passage, you would have seen, that indeed Jesus Christ was setting up the scene for what was about to take place/fulfilled in Luke 22 vs 47 - 53, as spoken of by Isaiah (Isaiah 53 vs 12) . .

Always pay attention to context abeg!

Truvelisback:
Do u think Jesus wouldn't have defend Himself if not for His mission to redeem mankind with His Blood?

Of course Jesus would have defended himself if not because he is the CHRIST so whoever is defending himself by taking up weapons against enemies is not a CHRISTian! Matthew 26:52

Truvelisback:
Good day, fellas. Regarding the ruthless killings of Christians by these Islamic terrorists, should Christian fold their arms or retalate?

Don't do things that will unnecessarily put your life at risk. Wisdom is profitable to direct. Don't die foolishly.

Truvelisback:
Good day, fellas. Regarding the ruthless killings of Christians by these Islamic terrorists, should Christian fold their arms or retalate?

Yes, why not. Christians are infidels and would forever remain a second class human. But should we pick up swords and spears? No!

Vibro cholera is a very nasty demon. Not to mention maize blight which can strike at anytime..
You see my friend, there are many ways to tame the spirit of sturrbon horses. If the breed A won't break, we'd make its offspring believe they are donkeys.

Speaking of context. Jesus Christ was preparing his disciples for the hostile world they must face, now that he was about to leave them. They now have a need to make proper plans for their safety (something they didn't have to do while he was physically with them) even as they live. Similar to the case of them not fasting while the groom was with them, elsewhere in scripture.
If your assertion is right, how do the sandals, and other provisions he told them to make fit into the said "setting"? Why focus on the sword alone while ignoring the others mentioned?

Kobojunkie:
If you continued down through to the end of that same passage, you would have seen, that indeed Jesus Christ was setting up the scene for what was about to take place/fulfilled in Luke 22 vs 47 - 53, as spoken of by Isaiah (Isaiah 53 vs 12) . .

Always pay attention to context abeg!

Gagare1:
Speaking of context. Jesus Christ was preparing his disciples for the hostile world they must face, now that he was about to leave them. They now have a need to make proper plans for their safety (something they didn't have to do while he was physically with them) even as they live. Similar to the case of them not fasting while the groom was with them, elsewhere in scripture.
If your assertion is right, how do the sandals, and other provisions he told them to make fit into the said "setting"? Why focus on the sword alone while ignoring the others mentioned?

Pay attention to actual context of the events of that night...

35 Then Jesus said to the apostles, “Remember when I sent you out without money, a bag, or sandals? Did you need anything?” The apostles said, “No.”
36 Jesus said to them, “But now if you have money or a bag, carry that with you. If you don’t have a sword, sell your coat and buy one.
37 The Scriptures say,‘He was considered a criminal.’ This Scripture must happen. It was written about me, and it is happening now.”
38 The followers said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.”
Jesus said to them, “That’s enough.”[d] - Luke 22 vs 35 - 38

Jesus Christ said all that to alert to the fact that very night- the now - that scripture was to be fulfilled. That which was written in Isaiah about Him was to be fulfilled that same evening.

11. After his suffering he will see the light,[f] and he will be satisfied with what he experienced.

The Lord says, “My servant, who always does what is right, will make his people right with me; he will take away their sins.
12 For this reason, I will treat him as one of my great people. I will give him the rewards of one who wins in battle, and he will share them with his powerful ones. I will do this because he gave his life for the people. He was considered a criminal, but the truth is, he carried away the sins of many. Now he will stand before me and speak for those who have sinned.” - Isaiah 53 vs 11 - 12

He requested they get the sword for that very event.

47 While Jesus was speaking, a crowd came up. It was led by Judas, one of the twelve apostles. He came over to Jesus to kiss him.
48 But Jesus said to him, “Judas, are you using the kiss of friendship to hand over the Son of Man to his enemies?”
49 The followers of Jesus were standing there too. They saw what was happening and said to Jesus, “Lord, should we use our swords?”
50 And one of them did use his sword. He cut off the right ear of the servant of the high priest.

51 Jesus said, “Stop!” Then he touched the servant’s ear and healed him.

52 Jesus spoke to the group that came to arrest him. They were the leading priests, the older Jewish leaders, and the Jewish soldiers. He said to them, “Why did you come out here with swords and clubs? Do you think I am a criminal?
53 I was with you every day in the Temple area. Why didn’t you try to arrest me there? But this is your time—the time when darkness rules.” - Luke 22 vs 47 - 53

then where do you place Jesus Christ's direct answer to the question that was asked by His disciples then?

47 While Jesus was speaking, a crowd came up. It was led by Judas, one of the twelve apostles. He came over to Jesus to kiss him.
48 But Jesus said to him, “Judas, are you using the kiss of friendship to hand over the Son of Man to his enemies?”
49 The followers of Jesus were standing there too. They saw what was happening and said to Jesus, “Lord, should we use our swords?”
50 And one of them did use his sword. He cut off the right ear of the servant of the high priest.
51 Jesus said, “Stop!” Then he touched the servant’s ear and healed him.

52 Jesus spoke to the group that came to arrest him. They were the leading priests, the older Jewish leaders, and the Jewish soldiers. He said to them, “Why did you come out here with swords and clubs? Do you think I am a criminal?
53 I was with you every day in the Temple area. Why didn’t you try to arrest me there? But this is your time—the time when darkness rules.” - Luke 22 vs 47 - 53

Jesus Christ's answer was "Stop", after which He proceeded to mend the damage inflicted by one of His own. If He had been teaching a principle as you claim, surely it would make sense to observe that His answer was a No to violence, or does that not work at all with the spin you have of that night's events?

Also pay attention to what Jesus Christ said there in verse 52 which I highlighted.