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Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by SeunNotOwner: 10:41pm On Jun 08, 2022
Even though I have my personal opinion about Igbo Presidency, I'll rather stay silent on the matter. However, I will be gathering opinions here and there to feed this thread.

I believed our SE brothers on this board should learn and educate others.

Welcome on board
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by SeunNotOwner: 10:42pm On Jun 08, 2022
Ebubu:
You claim others marginalize you.
Umahi State has 51 delegates but he didn't win all 51 as he had about 30-40 something votes and his fellow Ebonyian, Ogbonnaya Onu has 1 vote
Imo state has about 80 delegates. Abia 51, Enugu 51. Anambra a little around 60-70.
This is over 200 votes yet the SE candidates altogether didn't have up to 50 votes.
Okorocha had no votes.
So where did the SE delegates' votes go to ?
But you cry you have never ruled this country ?
But can not galvanize yourselves to ensure all your delegates vote your region.

In SW, Bankole, Amosun, all resigned to support their fellow SW.
But no Igbo candidate resigned to support another through strategic agreement.

In PDP
Anyim had only his states delegates. Abia delegates voted Wike, Enugu state delegates voted Wike. Anambra and Imo delegates voted Atiku.

But you all cried powers must return South and it should even be South East
You would like to say SE candidates are not a threat so why waste votes on them instead of giving it to a more likely winner and sign pact.
No, you build on that loss, along the line other regions will aknowledge that strong man whom you all support and vote for him.

That was how Buhari was winning his northern states and losing elsewhere till help came.

I'm from Ebonyi state, but if i see anymore Igbo man claim marginalization on this platform, whereas the Igbo delegates do not support their regional candidates, I will remind the person of PDP and APC primary elections.
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by SeunNotOwner: 10:47pm On Jun 08, 2022
Oshodipikin:
South East ought to be considered for President from both
evil parties that we have in Nigeria but NO. They haven't played their card well.

PDP Primary says it all. Only 14 delegate voted Pius Anyim, una own son from entire SE. What happens to the remaining
delegate votes? Atiku/Fulani man don buy am. If Tinubu shows the tip of his dollars, una go still fall for am.

The ones in APCheat saw their SW brothers stepping down for eachothers yesterday, about 8 aspirants from SE
contested and lost. Kai! Dem swear for una, can't you harmonize like Tambuwa did for his Arewa brother.
You can cry for injustice till eternity, nothing changes until you build bridges across the nation, foster sound unbreakable
relationship with your neighbours (SS & SW) and have a formidable home fronts. Cry me a riveeerrrr...
Politics of hatred for one party (forgetting that all party politics are the same) , abuse of whoever is not on same
page with you, "if I no get am, make e scatter" won't fix your problem. Cry me a riveeerrrr....

Party politics no be container of shoes on high seas, no one tribe can contest the aspect trade with you guys but a mugu
from any part of Nigeria can sink your container with a stroke of pen when it arrives Apapa.
Common sense isn't common. Only Rochas plays politics devoid of hatred, yet una no like am. Tueh
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by derecho(m): 11:00pm On Jun 08, 2022
Sentiment aside....The SE is marginalized.Anyone saying otherwise is being economical with the truth.It is their turn.
That said, to save Nigeria, we must wrest Nigeria from those dividing us.Whoever would reward productivity and foster unity is welcome.

Those politicians are there for personal gains.Whether from Ebonyi or Abia...Every Igbo politician in APC is a tool to trouble the opposition PDP and grab whatever they can from the center.
Even Peter Obi isn't the choice of the PDP in the SE because he is different from the average politician.

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Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by IduNaOba: 11:02pm On Jun 08, 2022
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How many SW delegates voted SW aspirants in PDP?
No dey make noise.
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by MANNABBQGRILLS: 1:03am On Jun 09, 2022
The below should help you and teach you one or two things about your topic....
The truth in the article is bitter tho, very very bitter.


Unfortunately, we told them the below 8 years ago,
2014, but our people never listened to us.
2023 would have been thr best and perfect time for us Igbos to Rule, but for where, they pitched their tent with politics of hatred and bitterness.
It's a shame.
The below is the HARD TRUTH, for your reading pleasure.


First read these short post below and move on to the long one after that.....


NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 


SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit. 

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine. 

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'. 

REWIND TO 2014. 
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance. 

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did. 

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who 

Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more. 

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one and a half tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma. 

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game. 

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?
really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary responses from nonentities .
As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu. 

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Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by SeunNotOwner: 6:51am On Jun 09, 2022
APCnaPDP:
Biafra will not come, you can cry from now to the end of the world, you won’t get Biafra. This article is highly unnecessary, build bridges and not this. Get your people involved in politics, let them get PVCs, increase or inflate your voting strength and people will take you seriously. Tinubu won because he worked for it, no one gets anything on a platter.

You have your people scattered all over Nigeria, go and work on your region, become a force and see how your outlook changes. If you like threaten Nigeria with Biafra , you won’t get it.
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by SeunNotOwner: 6:56am On Jun 09, 2022
IduNaOba:

How many SW delegates voted SW aspirants in PDP?
No dey make noise.

You can answer the question yourself and also reason why SW aspirants were not sad for losing the tickets.

Why PDP denied SE the chance?
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by inoki247: 7:01am On Jun 09, 2022
IduNaOba:

How many SW delegates voted SW aspirants in PDP?
No dey make noise.



To you people u will sha du competition how many SW candidates du we av we all know say Fayose na joker....


And SW in PDP knows so well isn't there turn in PDP dey sat bak look for someone else to support buh u people wey dey shout is ur turn why're your delegates selling there vote abi na still SW people tell dem to sell..

The question is what's your delegates doing why're dey selling dere votes.....


You people will neva hold your leader responsible for anything always wanting to compare and contrast and blame odas for your problem....
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by SeunNotOwner: 7:10am On Jun 09, 2022
derecho:
Sentiment aside....The SE is marginalized.Anyone saying otherwise is being economical with the truth.It is their turn.
That said, to save Nigeria, we must wrest Nigeria from those dividing us.Whoever would reward productivity and foster unity is welcome.

Those politicians are there for personal gains.Whether from Ebonyi or Abia...Every Igbo politician in APC is a tool to trouble the opposition PDP and grab whatever they can from the center.
Even Peter Obi isn't the choice of the PDP in the SE because he is different from the average politician.


Saying SE was marginalized is politically wrong. The NE and NC falls in the same category.

The future is still bright and alterable for Igbo Presidency if they can work on it without emotion.

Atiku has promised 1 term, the SE can split their support for APC probably to convince Tinubu to a 1 term too.
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by derecho(m): 7:15am On Jun 09, 2022
SE as in igbos not geopolitical zone.Are they to believe Atiku's promise?
That'd would be naive of them as APC would remind them it's A PDP agreement.
SeunTheOwner:


Saying SE was marginalized is politically wrong. The NE and NC falls in the same category.

The future is still bright and alterable for Igbo Presidency if they can work on it without emotion.

Atiku has promised 1 term, the SE can split their support for APC probably to convince Tinubu to a 1 term too.
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by 2elliot: 7:59am On Jun 09, 2022
Nothing is permanent. Empires have come and gone. Transatlantic slavery took over two centuries before it came to a stop. Soviet union despite their might came crumbling. US of A will one day fall. Nigeria despite all your noise is just 62years. It is not too late for this zoo to crumble. Just because the igbos are down today does not mean that they won't rise. Nothing is permanent.
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by SeunNotOwner: 4:02pm On Jun 09, 2022
2elliot:
Nothing is permanent. Empires have come and gone. Transatlantic slavery took over two centuries before it came to a stop. Soviet union despite their might came crumbling. US of A will one day fall. Nigeria despite all your noise is just 62years. It is not too late for this zoo to crumble. Just because the igbos are down today does not mean that they won't rise. Nothing is permanent.

Yes SE can rise
The thread is not about hating or laughing over, but to enlightening the SE brothers on the need for bridge building and political friendliness.

Peace
Re: Deuteronomy Of Igbo Presidency by SeunNotOwner: 4:03pm On Jun 09, 2022
Oshodipikin:
I have a heavy heart this morning after hearing that my candidate, Prof Kingsley Moghalu was defeated in the ADC Primary.


I am an unapologetic Yoruba boy, who's got a strong belief in equity, justice and fairness in all our transactions on this terrestrial ball. But I am left with no choice than to vote someone else in the forthcoming election. Here are my reasons.

1. Three people can't be in a room and the two of you have taken turn to lead and "chop" and the two of you now said I am not old enough to lead. There would be trouble!

2. For the fact that, just like anywhere in Nigeria, we have best brains from South East as well. Ngozi Okonjo Iweala, Kingsley Moghalu, Oby Ezekwesili come to mind

BUT Ndigbo don't know how politics works. Political negotiation is not Naira & Kobo. Igbos have been shooting themselves in the leg since before the civil war.... Let me remind my listeners of what I observed in the just concluded primaries of the twin evil parties who are on control of Naija politics.

Please NOTE that:


PDP delegates from the 5 states of South East states are
about 200 or more delegates. Only 14 voted for Pius Anyim, the rest sold their votes to Fulani man From Adamawa.
AfghanEastern can NEVER be Nigeria President till this
useless money monger generation of nyanmiri passed and a
new generation who understands politics and love their land
emerged.


Tambuwa & Mohammed Hayatu-Deen stepped down for their
brother Alhaji Atiku Abubakar during PDP primary. The likes of Kayode Fayemi, Dimeji Bankole, Ibikunle Amosun, Ajayi
Borroface were able to Canvas Akpabio, Uju Ohaneye and
Badaru to let their brother have the ticket. I remember Badaru even said Tinubu once gave him his AC platform to contest when he was nobody, although he lost that contest then. Who is speaking for Ndigbo?


Pius Anyim, Peter Obi, Chief Sam Ohunabunwa, Charles
Okwudili, Chikwendu Kalu, Cosmas Ndukwe,
and a US-based medical doctor, Nwachukwu Anakwenze
couldn't find one suitable person to represent South East until Peter Obi pulled out to find succour else in LP. There is crisis brewing in that party also now because Peter Obi and another Igbo man have emerged from parallel primaries of the two factions of LP. I don't think South South or South West are the problem of Ndigbo. Ndigbo themselves are the problem of Ndigbo.


Another South South person will rule Nigeria before the Igbos
realise that your closest allies ever are your neighbours. You
can't be true friends to outsider if your home front is always
on fire because of internal acrimonies birthed by self-
centeredness. Until you marry the Ijaws, Urhobos, Yoruba,
Edos, your dream of Aso Rock will remain a pipe dream or
something like a man who dreamt and see himself riding
ferrari, only to wake and find himself on top of palm tree.
AD, AC, ACN was a regional party like APGA, but because
someone is thinking 24/7, it has been transformed and
married with other parties outside of southern Nigeria to
clinch the Presidency. Hate them or like them, Atikunubu woul be your president for the next 8 years. When is the turn of the South-East?

I am sure Ojukwu is scratching his head right now.


I suppose the Igbo red cap is a thinking cap!

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