afrodoc2:


Correct. Nearly every Vietnamese i have met has been named Nguyen or Tran. About a third of the population uses Nguyen as surname, and they pronounce it "Win". I fumbled that pronunciation a few times before being corrected.

I suspect that it is the most common non-Chinese surname in the world.

raumdeuter:


The name Pham too

OasisX:


...I fit watch our match like this? Eagles don ruin my mood, make United no kuku bury am. LOL!

BlueRayDick:
https://www.nairaland.com/7969869/crisis-hits-plateau-assembly-speaker

Nigerian judiciary is a mess .

Appeal court sacked all 16 PDP HOA members in the state cos Appeal court ruled PDP had no structure in the state as at the time of the election. INEC had since withdrew their certificate of return and issued same to the APC candidates instead .

Now the Supreme Court judgement on Friday faulted the Appeal court ruling on PDP having no structure claiming APC was a meddlesome interloper into PDP internal affairs .

How do u explain that the governor gets to stay in the office while the HOA are now back on the streets when they were both caught in the same political web ?

Is it not time for HOA cases to be allowed to get to Supreme Court too ?

raumdeuter:


See excuse

No blame Nigeria for United problems

raumdeuter:


If the last paragraph happen we will need 1000 Supreme Court judges cos that means every election will get to Supreme Court soon LGA matter sef

36 states with about 20 to 30 HoA members each

izzou:


But the Appeal court kicked out the Givernor and HoA for the same reason.

Now, SC don upturn that judgement. What is now the fate of the HOA members?

Maybe it's time we remove Appeal court from judging electoral matters.

raumdeuter:


If the last paragraph happen we will need 1000 Supreme Court judges cos that means every election will get to Supreme Court soon LGA matter sef

36 states with about 20 to 30 HoA members each

Tochex101:

For their own petitions, the buck stops at the Appeal court table......whats done its done.
I dont think the judgement can be revisited......our country just dabaru.

BlueRayDick:


Or maybe courts should just throw away pre-election matters out of election petitions .

Maybe the court should not entertain cases like PDP praying the court to nullify an elected APC candidate because of issues within APC prior to election .

It makes no logical sense that the HOA members are kicked out for the same reason the governor remained in the office .

If we say because it will contest the number of cases in Supreme Court , so are we saying people should live with the consequence of bad judgement from t he appeal court ? Is that not injustice in itself ?

BlueRayDick:


But that’s unfair . We know the judgement can’t be revisited but going forward what can be done about it ?

raumdeuter:


Many judgement are based on technicalities not on the meat of the case.

Its never perfect but it's the best we have now

A classroom teacher might adjudge a case different from a principal. If the solution is that principal should judge all cases and skip the teacher itself then it will blow back

Judgements and standards change as we go, next election cycle, those standards set by Supreme courts will be the standard in appeal courts

Many of what we consider as settled law today were miscarriage of justice to someone in the past

For example In many countries death penalty has been abolished but it won't bring back those who were killed by death penalties in the past. Is it fair to them that someone committed a crime last year was killed and this year was not

BlueRayDick:


I don’t think I agree with the example u gave. I may be wrong but to me I believe the essence of the court system to afford the citizens opportunity to have their issues reviewed and decided within the extant laws at such periods.


Like what the law says in 21st century definitely varies from what the position of the law may have been in the 19th century, so there’s no need using an example of what obtains in the past and what obtains now .

Now applying that to the present plateau state matter , the Supreme Court which is the highest court in the land ruled that APC was concerning itself with the internal processes of PDP when it needs not to. As such , they have no locus standi to call for sacking of anybody who was voted in under PDP within that period. The governor has benefited from that ruling which now the law. ( Yes judicial precedents are laws )

Is it not injustice that the HOA cannot benefit from the same law within the same period ? Do we now say because the Supreme Court will be congested with cases people should be suffering injustice ?

raumdeuter:


There is always a time frame and cutoff, Assuming that law was made the by SC in the Case of Adeleke vs Oyetola a few months ago Plateau HOA people will benefit

If they made a law today outlawing or allowing something, Someone would have been punished yesterday for the same thing

E.g the law n death penalty was made in one day and someone got killed a few days or weeks earlier, Was it fair to the person?

Say US makes a law saying no Nigerian must ever travel from tomorrow to their country, is it fair on those who traveled tonight? or who are scheduled to travel tomorrow night

In many laws someone ill be hard done that why didnt this come earlier

izzou:


But the Appeal court kicked out the Givernor and HoA for the same reason.

Now, SC don upturn that judgement. What is now the fate of the HOA members?

Maybe it's time we remove Appeal court from judging electoral matters.

BlueRayDick:


But this is not the first case Supreme Court had ruled that one party cannot interfere in the affairs of another party na. No ?

In the case of PDP praying Supreme Court nullify Shetimma’s nomination because of his senatorial nomination before vice president’s ; Supreme Court described PDP as a nosy busybody peeping into the affairs of its neighbors .

How is it that appeal Court didn’t take a cue from that judgement and apply it to the plateau case ? Why do they have to sack the PDP guys in Plateau when a Supreme Court judgement already held that u can’t be meddling in another political party’s internal wrangling?

Should they kukuma scrap appeal court like Izzou suggested nigbayen ?

BlueRayDick:


But this is not the first case Supreme Court had ruled that one party cannot interfere in the affairs of another party na. No ?

In the case of PDP praying Supreme Court nullify Shetimma’s nomination because of his senatorial nomination before vice president’s ; Supreme Court described PDP as a nosy busybody peeping into the affairs of its neighbors .

How is it that appeal Court didn’t take a cue from that judgement and apply it to the plateau case ? Why do they have to sack the PDP guys in Plateau when a Supreme Court judgement already held that u can’t be meddling in another political party’s internal wrangling?

Should they kukuma scrap appeal court like Izzou suggested nigbayen ?

Tochex101:

The different cases have different substances.....the law as regards the subject remains the same.....

The lawyers make their arguments and judgement is left for those who should have superior knowledge(in quote).
You and I know where the problem then lies...

raumdeuter:


I am not a lawyer but I will say meddling is not the main issue cos it will depend on what the nature of what you are meddling with is.

It depends on the case you are trying to prove. If APC overlooks a convicted murderer or present an underage candisate in its primaries will the SC say PDP was meddling if they point out that the APC candidate is not fit to contest on the basis of his criminal record or not meeting the age?

Some meddling are allowed and some are not allowed
E.g the case of the deputy to David Lyon, is that a case of meddling by PDP into APC process?


Next election APC can present an underage, PDP challenge, appeal court says you can't meddle, SC say na criminal matter not pre election matter.

SC rulings will be pulled and tested in all directions

Tochex101:

The different cases have different substances.....the law as regards the subject remains the same.....

The lawyers make their arguments and judgement is left for those who should have superior knowledge(in quote).
You and I know where the problem then lies...

raumdeuter:


Yes the substance is what I am talking about

Anyone can quote that one party cannot meddle but in some cases even the SC can make exception

2 people can commit the same offense and get different judgments based on how you argue your case

Na why lawyers go Everly dey chop

BlueRayDick:


So in essence the people who have superior knowledge reside in the Supreme Court and somehow HOA are denied access to them ; so they need to live with whatever wrongful interpretation court of appeal gives the same issue that Supreme Court wouldve decided differently .

Na for HOA members to go meet people like Bulkachuwa (who admitted he influenced his wife’s decision on some political cases as president court of appeal ) ; so he can intercede on their behalf going forward 🤷🏼‍♂️

iamoyindamola:
Iran 4-1 Palestine


I stand with Palestine 😂😂😂

raumdeuter:


Shey anyone from Gaza playing for Palestine

Tochex101:

No matter how much they wail, I dont think there's a way out......

Poor judgements didn't start today......