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| Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Preciousgirl(f): 6:42am On Jul 22, 2022 |
Jesus wasn't the first creation, Jesus is the Creator! The dead deliberately exegete Colossians 1 :15 as Christ being God's first creation; that's blasphemy. The Christ is the Creator Himself (Colossians 1:16). What then is the true meaning of 'firstborn' in Colossians 1:15? Colossians 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD �, that in all things He may have the PREEMINENCE �. See: Acts 26:23 ...that the Christ would suffer, THAT HE WOULD BE THE FIRST � TO RISE FROM THE DEAD �, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.” ....THAT IN ALL THINGS CHRIST JESUS MAY HAVE THE PREEMINENCE ��� |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by MMWandali: 6:46am On Jul 22, 2022 |
Christ the Messiah was not created, He was with God from the beginning He is Divine son of God |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by muyico(m): 7:35am On Jul 22, 2022 |
Christ is part of creation of all things 1 Like |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:42am On Jul 22, 2022 |
Preciousgirl: Christ is The Creator of all other creations including us and this our House that we call world but Christ has His Father and clearly it is His Father Who brought Him forth. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Bruno3000(m): 9:36am On Jul 22, 2022 |
Being a son means there is a father. The son cannot exist without a father. Or would u be existing if ur father didn't father u? THInk... It is safe to say that Jesus was the first born of God's creation. Simple. MMWandali: |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by MMWandali: 9:46am On Jul 22, 2022 |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by MMWandali: 9:48am On Jul 22, 2022 |
Bruno3000: God is the Father and He is Divine As I said - Divine Son of God If you say "first born" of God It means born of God, God is the Father - in a Divine way, not a biological way. 1 Like |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by tctrills: 11:20am On Jul 22, 2022 |
MMWandali:He was not created, He is God's age mate and yet he is the divine son of God? very funny. He and God were together from the beginning and yet you believe he is God's son? explain further, please. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by tctrills: 11:21am On Jul 22, 2022 |
MMWandali:What do you mean by the word divine? What does it mean to be a divine son? Does God have other divine Children? Let's use simple words so everyone can understand. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by MMWandali: 12:49pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
tctrills:It's the nature of God He is not physical or biological as humans are Christ His Son is also not Natural or Biological as humans are The Sonship is not in a biologically procreative way as we humans know procreation to be. It's Divine, godly, supernatural in a way that the human mind can't intellectually phathom It's Spiritual as God himself designed it to be Not the way human husband and wife have theirs |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by MMWandali: 12:59pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
tctrills:No any other Divine children As the scripture says: "ONLY begotten Son" other humans, if they believe, can become adopted children of His Kingdom |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by tctrills: 2:31pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
MMWandali:What do you mean by divine. Only Begotten and Divine have pretty different meanings so once again, what do you mean by divine? |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by tctrills: 2:35pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
MMWandali:I understand that God is Spiritual, He is the father of our spirits But You claim that The Father and the Son were mates, None created the other so please, explain what you mean by Divine sonship. We all understand that even we are not God's biological Children so what does it mean to be a Divine son and what makes Christ the only Divine son. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by MMWandali: 4:07pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
tctrills: Just like humans beget humans birds beget birds, fish beget fish I mean that they are one - of the same nature I didn't say that they are mates, no they are one of a kind Flesh beget Flesh Spirit beget Spirit The Divine begot the Divine - by His Divine Power and Will |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by tctrills: 4:09pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
MMWandali:So God the Father Begot Jesus Christ? If so, why did you say the two of them were in the beginning. Also, explain this, Acts 17.28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by NNTR: 8:18pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
Preciousgirl:I understand what you are trying to do here, but it requires putting things, names et cetera in their respective places, timelines, order et cetera, as if not, it all, will end up with the chicken or the egg causality dilemma, over which came first. Here are a few catechization worthy of considerations: 1. The Word and Jesus Christ; which came first? 2. At what point in time, precisely, did God become flesh? (i.e. became a human being) 3. At what point in time, precisely, did God become God, the Father? 4. At what point in time, precisely, did the Word become Jesus Christ? 5. At what point in time, precisely, did the Word become the Son of God? 6. Who rightfully is Numero Uno of all creation and on what basis is the title earned? MMWandali:Watch how up to this point, they'll fall over each other, trying hard to out doing themselves, in knocking, what you typed here If you arent careful, you're going to mess up beyond this point from doing an over the top, that would spoil a beautiful and liked post Bruno3000:There isnt anything unsafe in thinking outside the box though. There's nothing unsafe with stretching the brain muscles There is nothing unsafe, with leaving the wide road, to take the narrow trail less travelled Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:21pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
Bruno3000:God had two firstborn sons: The first spirit creature who later became Jesus! John 1:2 And The first man known as Adam! Luke 3:38 In the beginning of creation God CREATED Jesus and later began instructing him on how to go about the assignment of creating all other things {Colossians 1:15-16} that's why the Bible book of Genesis 1 keep telling us how God's first born spirit son was taking orders from his father during the creative days. In the beginning of man's life on earth God CREATED just one man (Adam) and instructed him on how to make the planet a Paradise. Adam was to use his God's given discretion to beautify the earth and make life sweeter on it! Genesis 1:26-28 God's firstborn spirit son knew how everything started because he was working with his father like a master craftsman {Proverbs 8:22-31} but the firstborn human son of God knew little because he rebelled and expired {Genesis 2:17; 3:17-19} he only named other creatures after him {Genesis 2:19; 23} that's why it took mankind thousands of years to discover things like telecommunications, internet, electricity, automobiles, aircrafts, spaceships and many others because Adam revelled against his father and God, but had it been he was also a humble child like the firstborn spirit son of God {John 8:28} this planet would have been a place to enjoy life to the fullest and we wouldn't have any need of knowing God's spirit sons (angels) at all talkless having any business with His firstborn spirit son (Jesus) 1 Like |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Janosky: 10:27pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
Preciousgirl:This girl is a LIAR. 1 Corinthians 8:6 his Father is the Creator. Hebrew God created the Universe... NICENE Creed set up by your Trinity mentors PROVEN that you are LYING. " I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ The only begotten son of God Born of the Father before All Ages" Nicene Creed of your Trinity mentors says Jesus Christ was born before Creation of the world.  
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| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:35pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
Janosky: She did not lie. His Father is The Commander in Chief while Jesus did the creating in obedience to The Commander in Chief, His Father! Your stupid hatred makes you blind! 1 Like |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by OkCornel(m): 11:09pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
Preciousgirl: Let the text speak for itself. It clearly states Christ is the FIRST BORN of all creation. Colossians 1 v 15-17; 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Janosky: 11:12pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
Preciousgirl:Your Trinity mentors "deliberately exegete Colossians 1 :15", TWISTING the holy Bible by saying " first born OVER ALL creation" which the king James Bible disagreed. KJV: "First born of every creature". Is the first born of every child still a child? Yes. Therefore Jesus the first born of every creature is ALWAYS a creature. 1 Corinthians 8:6, Colossians 1:16 & Hebrew1:2, God His Father is the Creator. Nicene Creed: "I believe in Jesus Christ....Born of the Father before all ages" Preciousgirl:Genesis 49:3 Reuben, you are my firstborn, My might and the beginning of my strength, Preeminent in dignity and Preeminent in power" 3 questions begging for answers: What then is the true meaning of 'firstborn' in Colossians 1:15 & Genesis 49:3? First born mean the same thing as well as the same meaning, (a child favoured above his siblings). @ Genesis 49:3, did "Frst born" mean Reuben is PREEMINENT? Yes. Trinitarians DUBIOUSLY changed the meaning of "first born" at Colossians 1:16. Is Reuben PREEMINENT? Yes, because he is first born, like wise Jesus is PREEMINENT, because Jesus is a first born creature. Colossians 1:15= Genesis 49:3. @ Genesis 49:3, Revelation 3:14 and Mark 13:19, is Reuben Originator? Does "the Beginning" mean Originator @ Genesis 49:3 & Revelation 3:14? No. [/b] |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Janosky: 11:20pm On Jul 22, 2022 |
Preciousgirl:Every first born is preeminent, even your Father's first born is preeminent for the same reason Jesus is preeminent. Abeg, no dey deceive yourself. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by houseofwind1(m): 11:13am On Jul 23, 2022 |
What do you say to Revelation 3:14 when Christ says he's the first creation of God? Is Christ also blaspheming? Preciousgirl: |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by houseofwind1(m): 11:19am On Jul 23, 2022 |
Yes, every first born is preeminent, the bible clearly says Christ is the first born of both living and of dead. Even Jesus says he's the first creation of God and went ahead to say he's the beginning and the end of the works of God. These people do not even know the scriptures. I respect the zeal but if it's not the truth, it'll not sit well in our mind. Only the truth defeats our minds. Janosky: |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by MMWandali: 12:46pm On Jul 23, 2022 |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by NNTR: 5:23pm On Jul 23, 2022 |
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| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by NNTR: 6:55pm On Jul 23, 2022 |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Kobojunkie: 6:59pm On Jul 23, 2022 |
Preciousgirl:Well, what is He "created" from?  |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by teebagy: 4:06pm On Aug 22, 2022 |
Preciousgirl:water has 3 forms liquid . Solid. Or hot water did any water create any of the water. They are in different forms but are still water |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Janosky: 6:54pm On Aug 23, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Mumu post and your stupid hatred for 1Corinthian 8:6 is luminous. The house you built, please, REMOVE your name and put the name of your employee henceforth. The other option is delete 1 Corinthians 8:6 from your Bible. @Matthew 19:4 ,Jesus Christ confirm the authenticity of 1 Corinthians 8:6 , Hebrews 3:4 & Hebrews 1:2. |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:23pm On Aug 23, 2022 |
Janosky: Even the 1 Corinthians 8:6 says you are stupid for it clearly shows The Father and Jesus Christ, Who Himself had Said that He is The Son in John 14:23 (Abi una cult don delete dis one for una Bible) "[b]Jesus answered and said to him, Whoever loves me will keep my word, and My Father will love him, and WE will come to him and make our dwelling with him. So mumudeen, see the words "My Father" and "We will"! |
| Re: Was Jesus God's First Creation? by Tb222(m): 2:59am On Aug 24, 2022 |
muyico:. What that scripture simply meant was that Jesus is the firstborn, meaning Adam was the firstborn created in the flesh, Jesus is the firstborn after the spirit, adam sinned and lost his place, Jesus as God came down took on the form of humanity to die for our sins, jesus ressurected with a glorified body, meaning Jesus as God who came as man is now the first of God's creation to have a ressurected and Glorified body in Heaven., which eventually all others who believe in him we ressurect and be transformed exactly as he was the moment the rapture takes place. It says in his Word in the Book of Phillipians 3:21 " Who shall change our vile body, that ot may be fashioned like unto His glorious body according to the working wherby He is able to sibdue all things unto Himself. |
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