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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by gidgiddy: 8:34pm On Sep 09, 2022
christistruth01:



Read Decree 34 of 1966

Read Gowons Decree 14 of 1967 and learn how Gowon abolished the 4 Regions, created 12 states and took away resource control

Those who came after Gowon continued the "dividing" started by Gowon and the 12 states tripled to todays 36 states
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Deadlytruth(m): 8:51pm On Sep 09, 2022
hammer567:



TINUBU URCHINS ARE MARRIED TO LIES...




BLINDED BY HATRED.




TRIBALISM EATEN DEEP INTO THEIR HEART.



WITH RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY, RENDERED THEM BRAIN DEAD.



GOWON REPLACED REGIONALISM WITH UNITARY FEDERAL SYSTEM WITH THE FIRST 12 STATES HE CREATED.



IRONSI DIED LESS THAN 6 MONTHS IN OFFICE, THEY NEVER GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO DO ANYTHING, AND THAT INCLUDES LAWFULLY PROSECUTING THOSE ARRESTED FOR COUP.
If only you knew that Gowon made decrees which reversed those of Ironsi and returned the regions back to status quo ante from the groups of provinces Ironsi had broken them into.
Go and read Ironsi's national broadcast of May 24 1966 and see how many times he refered to the regions as "former regions" and then declared that Nigeria from henceforth ceased to be what is called a federation hence her official name stopped being Federal Republic of Nigeria but now just Republic of Nigeria. Then as if that wasn't enough he declared that he had set up a committee to draft an entirely new constitution for Nigeria.
Philip Asiodu, a honest Igbo man, would later testify that shortly after Ironsi seized power, Ojukwu told him in confidence that he and Ironsi had concluded plans to abolish the regions latest within six months.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by baralatie(m): 8:52pm On Sep 09, 2022
gidgiddy:


Read Gowons Decree 14 of 1967 and learn how Gowon abolished the 4 Regions, created 12 states and took away resource control

Those who came after Gowon continued the "dividing" started by Gowon and the 12 states tripled to todays 36 states
This is because Gen ironsi in the decree 34 of 1966 said as at that day 24,the.Tge federation and it's federating units cease to exists and as at that date The country became a federal republic of the federal government of Nigerian of which he is the head.
There is no more parliament,there is no more premiers all judiciary , public service , legislation and what have you is domiciled in the hands of federal govt.
The federal government decided for every one else as from 24 1966 by decree.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Deadlytruth(m): 8:55pm On Sep 09, 2022
Wintertime:



Eastern Region Lt. Colonel Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu

Mid-Western Region Lt. Colonel David Ejoor

Western Region Lt. Colonel Robert Adeyinka Adebayo

Northern Region Lt. Colonel Hassan Usman Katsina

So Army officers were premiers? Were Akintola, Ahmadu Bello, Dennis Osadebe and Michael Okpara military officers? You are confusing military administrators appointed over groups of provinces for regional premiers.



Ironsi's Broadcast to the Nation banning
Political Parties and introducing Decree No. 34, 24 May 1966.
www.dawodu.com


Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into
effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number
of territorial areas called provinces. . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.
The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council.
All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and
Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts. Every civil servant is
now called upon to see his function in any part of Nigeria in which
he is serving in the context of the whole country. The orientation
should now be towards national unity and progress. I expect all
civil servants to co-operate and to consult at all levels, vertically
and horizontally, between groups of Provinces and between Provinces
and the Centre.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by emapeteum(m): 9:01pm On Sep 09, 2022
gidgiddy:


So explain to us how Ironsi introduced unitary rule without abolishing the 4 Regions that existed, and taking resource control and fiscal federalism from them.

Tell us the action Ironsi took to introduce unitary rule
Please go back to the history book(s) and read between the lines
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Deadlytruth(m): 9:02pm On Sep 09, 2022
Wahala90:


Not true. Watch this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yth7MB2axOo

Ironsi's Broadcast to the Nation banning
Political Parties and introducing Decree No. 34, 24 May 1966.
www.dawodu.com


Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into
effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number
of territorial areas called provinces. . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.
The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council.
All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. [The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and
Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts. Every civil servant is
now called upon to see his function in any part of Nigeria in which
he is serving in the context of the whole country. The orientation
should now be towards national unity and progress. I expect all
civil servants to co-operate and to consult at all levels, vertically
and horizontally, between groups of Provinces and between Provinces
and the Centre.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Deadlytruth(m): 9:04pm On Sep 09, 2022
ebufa:



Ironsi did not abolish the regions........he instituted military admins in the regions....it was gowon and awolowo who created the 12 ststes ....effectively burying the regions....afonja lier...!!!


Ironsi's Broadcast to the Nation banning
Political Parties and introducing Decree No. 34, 24 May 1966.
www.dawodu.com


Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into
effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number
of territorial areas called provinces. . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.
The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council.
All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. [The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and
Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts. Every civil servant is
now called upon to see his function in any part of Nigeria in which
he is serving in the context of the whole country. The orientation
should now be towards national unity and progress. I expect all
civil servants to co-operate and to consult at all levels, vertically
and horizontally, between groups of Provinces and between Provinces
and the Centre.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by gidgiddy: 9:11pm On Sep 09, 2022
emapeteum:

Please go back to the history book(s) and read between the lines

Educate your self with this thread of mine

https://www.nairaland.com/5690269/how-gowon-introduced-unitary-rule/1#116514356
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Deadlytruth(m): 9:21pm On Sep 09, 2022
ebufa:



Ironsi did not abolish the regions........he instituted military admins in the regions....it was gowon and awolowo who created the 12 ststes ....effectively burying the regions....afonja lier...!!!

Here is a narration from Philip Asiodu an Igbo man who was part and parcel of the events of those times. The account here is was also published by an Igbo man owned newspaper, The Sun:

Let's see if they will call Philip Asiodu an Afonja again.
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/impunity-killing-nigeria-phillip-asiodu/

Note where the report reads:

Emeka Ojukwu and myself were very good friends in school, Kings College, Lagos, and Oxford University. In fact when the coup happened, he wanted me to join him in Enugu and I told him that I was not a regional man. And Ojukwu told me ‘we shall abolish the regions within 6 months’.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by christistruth01: 9:24pm On Sep 09, 2022
gidgiddy:


Read Gowons Decree 14 of 1967 and learn how Gowon abolished the 4 Regions, created 12 states and took away resource control

Those who came after Gowon continued the "dividing" started by Gowon and the 12 states tripled to todays 36 states

Ironsi abolished Regional Autonomy
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Deadlytruth(m): 9:31pm On Sep 09, 2022
gidgiddy:


Educate your self with this thread of mine

https://www.nairaland.com/5690269/how-gowon-introduced-unitary-rule/1#116514356

The contents of that thread are mere opinions which are surely tilted to favour the respective commentators' personal sentiments. But here are the raw contents of the gazette of Ironsi's own broadcast. So tell us what exactly he meant by the bolded

Ironsi's Broadcast to the Nation banning
Political Parties and introducing Decree No. 34, 24 May 1966.
www.dawodu.com


Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into
effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number of territorial areas called provinces . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.
The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council.
All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. [The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts. Every civil servant is
now called upon to see his function in any part of Nigeria in which
he is serving in the context of the whole country. The orientation
should now be towards national unity and progress. I expect all
civil servants to co-operate and to consult at all levels, vertically
and horizontally, between groups of Provinces and between Provinces
and the Centre.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Mavrick2012: 9:33pm On Sep 09, 2022
SmartPolician:
This picture just reminds me that all will live and die. Only God knows where they are now. Therefore, for the few days you have on earth, use it to achieve something positive. Purge yourself of hate, tribalism and evils.

It's better you believe that heaven exists, live a good life and later find out that you were deceived than not believe that heaven exists and later discover that it does.
am sure you know it's not enough to believe there is heaven? lol, you must also believe in God,

Tell me, which God is in heaven?the one who sent Jesus Christ,the one who sent Prophet Mohammed,the one who sent Buddah or Confucius or African religious or which?
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by gidgiddy: 10:00pm On Sep 09, 2022
Deadlytruth:


The contents of that thread are mere opinions which are surely tilted to favour the respective commentators' personal sentiments. But here are the raw contents of the gazette of Ironsi's own broadcast. So tell us what exactly he meant by the bolded

Ironsi's Broadcast to the Nation banning
Political Parties and introducing Decree No. 34, 24 May 1966.
www.dawodu.com


Fellow Nigerians:
During the past two weeks I presided over meetings of the Supreme
Military council and the Central Executive Council at which many
important state matters were considered. . .
It is now three months since the Government of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria was handed over to the Armed Forces. Now that peace has
been restored in the troubled areas it is time that the Military
Government indicates clearly what it proposes to accomplish before
relinquishing power. The removal of one of the obstacles on the way
is provided for in the Constitution (Suspension and Modification)
Decree (No. 5) 1966 which was promulgated by me today and comes into
effect at once.
The provisions of the Decree are intended to remove the last
vestiges of the intense regionalism of the recent past, and to
produce that cohesion in the governmental structure which is so
necessary in achieving, and maintaining the paramount objective of
the National Military government, and indeed of every true Nigerian,
namely, national unity.
The highlights of this Decree are as follows:
The former regions are abolished, and Nigeria grouped into a number of territorial areas called provinces . . .
Nigeria ceases to be what has been described as a federation. It
now becomes simply the Republic of Nigeria.
The former Federal Military government and the Central Executive
Council become respectively the National Military Government and the
executive Council.
All the Military Governors are members of the
Executive Council.
A Military Governor is assigned to a group of provinces over which
and subject to the direction and control of the Head of the National
Military Government, he shall exercise executive power. In order to
avoid any major dislocation of the present administrative machinery,
the grouping of the provinces has been made to coincide with the
former regional boundaries. This is entirely a transitional measure
and must be understood as such. [The present grouping of the
provinces is without prejudice to the Constitutional and Administrative arrangements to be embodied in the New Constitution in
accordance with the wishes of the people of Nigeria.
The National Military Government assumes the exercise of all
legislative powers throughout the Republic subject to such
delegations to Military Governors as are considered necessary for
purposes of efficient administration.
The public services of the former federation and regions become
unified into one national public service under a National Public
Service Commission. There is a provincial Service Commission for
each group of provinces to which is delegated functions in respect of
public officers below a given rank. This rather drastic change will
probably involve a reconstitution of the existing commissions, and
the National Military Government reserves the right to do so in the
manner stipulated in the Decree. Until this is done, the present
Commissioners continue to act in their posts. Every civil servant is
now called upon to see his function in any part of Nigeria in which
he is serving in the context of the whole country. The orientation
should now be towards national unity and progress. I expect all
civil servants to co-operate and to consult at all levels, vertically
and horizontally, between groups of Provinces and between Provinces
and the Centre.

The argument is not if Ironsi instituted Military rule, he did. The arguement is if he is the one who removed Regionalism

Pictures of Gowons Decree 14 that were attached clearly shows that it was Gowon who abolished the 4 Regions, created 12 states(which subsequent military rulers tripled to 36 states) and removed resource control

Without a doubt, it was Gowon that abolished Regionalism

Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by gidgiddy: 10:08pm On Sep 09, 2022
christistruth01:


Ironsi abolished Regional Autonomy

Unfortunately for people like you, Gowons Decree 14 still survives, and says the opposite

Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Nobody: 10:09pm On Sep 09, 2022
Visual reality

Nice one lipsrsealed
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by NdakoIb(m): 1:25am On Sep 10, 2022
"Don't trouble the ant hauling a grain of wheat! It too lives its life - and life is sweet"
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by christistruth01: 5:07am On Sep 10, 2022
gidgiddy:


Unfortunately for people like you, Gowons Decree 14 still survives, and says the opposite


Are you aware that not only did Gen Ironsi's Decree 34 below abolish Regional Autonomy it also led to the FG Seizing many of the Assets of the Regional Govts
Including the University of Ibadan and the Western Region Embassy in the United Kingdom

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by christistruth01: 5:23am On Sep 10, 2022
gidgiddy:


Unfortunately for people like you, Gowons Decree 14 still survives, and says the opposite


Please Carefully note what is Written down under section 1(d) of Decree 34

All Authority of the Provinces and Regions has now been placed under the Military Head of State Gen Ironsi who is now the only one who can appoint the State Governors

For you to know that Gen Ironsi really knew the Mischief he was up to notice the Wording used, the Decree didn't use the word Region but the Word Group of Provinces
In Section 1c of Decree 34 Gen Ironsi has abolished the Regions with the stroke of a Pen

The Governors can do almost nothing without Gen Ironsi's Permission


.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by christistruth01: 5:30am On Sep 10, 2022
lipsrsealedgrin

In Section 3(1) of Decree 34 Gen Ironsi has now Created a Single National Civil Service but it didn't end there Gen Ironsi's Govt is now authorized to appoint any Permanent Secretary anywhere in the now dissolved Previous Regions

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by christistruth01: 5:31am On Sep 10, 2022
grin
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Enkidu70: 6:10am On Sep 10, 2022
obyno82:


Bros invariably you confirmed that regional government was still in place in Ironsi's regime what he did was to force unity similar to a military command style. Posting governors outside their state of origin was to ensure assimilation and to ensure unity.

History

You can't argue with history, and it's totally unethical, the way you guys struggle to rewrite it every day that God brings. Let's be honest with each other as much as possible

Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Enkidu70: 6:13am On Sep 10, 2022
christistruth01:
grin

Section 3(1) of Decree 34 Gen Ironsi has now Crated a Single National Civil Service but it didn't end there Gen Ironsi's Govt is now authorized to appoint any Permanent Secretary anywhere in the now dissolved Previous Regions

Decree 34 was the final straw for the northerners and is arguably the main reason why Ironsi got killed. Beyond his indecisiveness about the fates of Nzeogwu & co, that is

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by gwinaB(m): 8:29am On Sep 10, 2022
SuperWriter:
Adieu Ironsi. embarassed
Real hero

This post is worth being on FP.


Hero how? He is one of the major architects of the current situation in the country. A tribalist drunk who abolished regional-based government and unified power at the centre, making the federal government far more powerful than the federating states and regions.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by gidgiddy: 10:58am On Sep 10, 2022
christistruth01:



Please Carefully note what is Written down under section 1(d) of Decree 34

All Authority of the Provinces and Regions has now been placed under the Military Head of State Gen Ironsi who is now the only one who can appoint the State Governors

For you to know that Gen Ironsi really knew the Mischief he was up to notice the Wording used, the Decree didn't use the word Region but the Word Group of Provinces
In Section 1c of Decree 34 Gen Ironsi has abolished the Regions with the stroke of a Pen

The Governors can do almost nothing without Gen Ironsi's Permission


.

Look man, every Region was a group of provinces same as every state in todays Nigeria is a group local governments and military like to take as much power as possible. The arguement is not if Ironsi instituted military rule, everyone knows he did.

The argument is if he abolished Regional system

Since you asked me to read, now read the first page of Gowons decree 14 that abolished all 4 Regions and created 12 new states

Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by christistruth01: 1:36pm On Sep 10, 2022
gidgiddy:


Look man, every Region was a group of provinces same as every state in todays Nigeria is a group local governments and military like to take as much power as possible. The arguement is not if Ironsi instituted military rule, everyone knows he did.

The argument is if he abolished Regional system

Since you asked me to read, now read the first page of Gowons decree 14 that abolished all 4 Regions and created 12 new states




From Gen Ironsi's Decree 34 you have already seen that Ironsi had abolished Regional Autonomy and put all the Previous Regional Powers under his own Authority

The Governors could do nothing without Gen Ironsi's Permission

Yakubu Gowon merely increased the Number of the States from 4 Powerless Regions( Gen Ironsi had stripped them of their Powers) to 12 States

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Thomasankara(m): 1:46pm On Sep 10, 2022
perez100:
The Tinubu urchins are still spreading propaganda that Ironsi introduced unitary government. When Ironsi was killed we still had regional Governors (Military In charge). Ojukwu in the East, Adekunle Fajuyi in the West, Hassan in the north and David Ejoor in Midwest.

It was Gowon that scrapped it.
[/color]did u listen to his coup speech, then if u understand what unitary government is, u will believe really, Aguiyi introduced unitary[color=#770077]
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Thomasankara(m): 1:50pm On Sep 10, 2022
Enkidu70:


Ironsi passed the decree already, that period you were talking about he had already collapsed tge civil service into one, and was struggling to cross-post the military governors outside their regions in pursuant of the unification project but Fajuyi and Ojukwu resisted him, because the northern governor was very incompetentand they didn't want him messing up their own area.
[/color]the question u should ask is whether those folks even understand the meaning of unitary, their idea of unitary is the existence of many states grin grin cheesy so laughable. America practises federalism and has more states than Nigeria.[color=#770077]

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Thomasankara(m): 1:58pm On Sep 10, 2022
christistruth01:





From Gen Ironsi's Decree 34 you have already seen that Ironsi had abolished Regional Autonomy and put all the Previous Regional Powers under his own Authority

The Governors could do nothing without Gen Ironsi's Permission

Yakubu Gowon merely increased the Number of the States from 4 Powerless Regions( Gen Ironsi had stripped them of their Powers) to 12 States
[/color]the north just consolidated on his agenda, seeing that such decree was sweet and they will never want the statusquo to change. I'm also skeptic of Peter obi, when he said there's nothing wrong with the Constitution and Nigeria could be better governed with that, it shows he want the statusquo to remain thesame[color=#770077]

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by PARADIZEPRIEST: 5:50pm On Sep 10, 2022
PARADIZEPRIEST:
THE 1966 EVENT IS PURELY ACTIONS OF INDIVIDUALS IN MILITARY THAT CAUSED DISORGANISATION OF NIGERIA UNITY BY ALL TRIBES IN THE MILITARY IN 1966. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRIBE,IS PUREly A MILITARY QUEST FOR GOVERNANCE POWER TO BCOM EXCESSIVELY RICH.WHO ARE the EXCESSIVELY RICH IN NAIJA TODAY? ALL THE MILITARY HEADS E.GIBB(Muslim), GOWAN(christian), OBJ (christian),DANJUM(christian),IKEWACHUKWU,MAWA(Muslim),ABACHA(Muslims),DIYA, BUHA(Muslim),YARADUAS(Muslim),ETC ALL OF THEM HAVE nationwide STREETS NAMED AFTER THEM ALLOVER NIGERIA,they also carry gcfr or global,or con emperor titles etc. MANY IBOS IN GOVT WERE VICTIMS, INCLUDING OKOTIEBOR. It must nEva happen again ever dont be fooled again in stupid war whether promoted by tribe or religion. angry
Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Deadlytruth(m): 11:42am On Sep 11, 2022
gidgiddy:


The argument is not if Ironsi instituted Military rule, he did. The arguement is if he is the one who removed Regionalism

Pictures of Gowons Decree 14 that were attached clearly shows that it was Gowon who abolished the 4 Regions, created 12 states(which subsequent military rulers tripled to 36 states) and removed resource control

Without a doubt, it was Gowon that abolished Regionalism

This doesn't still explain what Ironsi meant by the bolded lines. We are not talking of regionalism in the simplistic sense of the mere existence of regions but in the sense of their independence and autonomy. We presently have six regions in Nigeria, namely SS, SW, SE, NE, NW and NC but does that automatically translate to us presently practicing regionalism? A big no and that is because those regions only exist on paper but are not recognized as federating units. This same scenario was exactly what obtained under Ironsi hence it was actually him who stripped the regions of their autonomy by breaking them down to 35 provinces which began to take orders from the center and also report to the center. Then he declared that he no longer recognized the regions as federating units. Gowon on the other hand created states and restored to them the same powers as the regions were before Ironsi came.

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Re: Major J T Aguiyi Ironsi During An Army Training Exercise At Warminster England by Christistruth00: 1:57pm On Sep 11, 2022
hammer567:



LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IT WAS NOT AN IGBO COUP, HOWEVER THEIR ANNOUNCE WAS MANY IGBO LEADERS DID NOT DIE IN THE COUP, AS WAS THE CASE UP NORTH .



THEN AGAIN, THE NORTH WAS A LEGITIMATE TARGET, THEY WERE SELLING OUR INDEPENDENCE TO BRITAIN.



JUST LIKE BUHARI CRASH THE NAIRA TO 700 FOR 1DOLLAR FROM 100 IN 8 YERAS.


YEAH, WE WANTED THIS FOOL DEAD.



JUST LISTEN TO HIM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_odAy4rVz8



If it was not an Igbo Coup then it was a very Unfair and Unjust Coup


Nigeria had 4 Regional Premiers and and one Igbo Chief Of the Nigerian Army-his Soldiers Killed

the 2 Premiers that were not Igbo Speaking ( Sardauna And Akintola) and spared the 2 Igbo

Speaking Premiers and Gen Ironsi an Igbo man was responsible for protecting all of the Premiers

Was that fair?

If it had been the other way round would it have been acceptable to you?

Whatever Sardauna said was not Punishable by death and the Coup even proved to the

North that what he was saying had an element of Truth

Otherwise why didn’t Gen Ironsi’s Govt sentence the Coup Plotters like they did to Boro

Why was Gen Ironsi in a hurry for Issac Boro to be Sentenced to death while dragging his feet on

the Trial and Sentencing Of those who had murdered an entire Prime Minister and 2 Premiers ?

If you were a. Northerner would you think it was fair ?

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