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The Fool Says, There Is No God

Psalm 14:1 , The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.

The bible made me to understand that God created us in his own image and likeness. That was in Genesis 1:27 and I quote ''So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.'' You see, this verse proves he actually exists. So please all the so-called atheist or should I say atheist wanna-bees, stop deceiving yourself. The bible knew of you guys that's why it adviced us in 1st Cor 3-18:20 and I quote ''Let no man deceive himself. If any man seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become foolish, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again the Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are in vain.'' , and trust me, am adhering to it.

The atheist say when you die, that's the end. I see it as a big lie!

How come am I able to think that, when I die, where do I go? Why do we have good and bad? Why do we sleep and wake up? Why do we dream? How come we have day and night? Why have the man (doctors) been able to explain how the body system works? Why are we unique in all animals?

@OP, look round the world and say, there is something supernatural that is in charge of this world. If you don't like it being called God, give it your own name to start with.

Example: If Seun never showed face that he created Nairaland, would you assume Nairaland created itself


My brother told me the story of his female classmate that died in the water thru capsized boat with her sister. Their spirits went back home and were knocking the door, chatting. One of the sisters was blaming the other that she caused it. They were later chased by sorcerer. Dunno if any one here heard the story. It happened at Orile Iganmu.

God is a spirit! You need flesh to live on earth. If you wanna see God, it is when you give up the ghost. Though, you have to be on the right part first.

only a fool wil say God exist without research of hw it al began. D religion dat brot d various Gods was fashoind as a tool of mind control. Y do i say dis? Takin xtainity as case study, B4 d religion got 2 africa, d white mans blif was dat dia kings were God sent and dat instructions were passd 2ru dem by God so dey were refered 2 as lord and also heads of d church den, and nt also 4gettin dat d church durin d medieval era wen church was controllin d world, dey need some kind rule book 2 psychologically imprison d mind of d pple and subject dem 2 psychological obidence ('for dere is no prison greater dan d prison of d mind') usin divine medium (cos wat wil b of human wen al hp is lost) dey inventd d bible, designd b d best philosophers 2take care of future problems.or WAT DO U TINK MADE GOD 2CONDONED SALVERY IN D BIBLE because wen d bible was been writen salvery was d order of d day and d so called priest dat compiled it were involved in it. Also reason out d mass murderin carried out by God loved countries lyk isreal, jst because it is said dat God ordered d killin of evri1 includin innocent childern. Den again dat waz den d orda of d day. Al dis was incorporate into d bible jst 2suit dia lyfs. The blif was brot 2 africa and our fore fathers abandoned dia own blifs 4 d white mans blifs jst because dey cam in more organized and forcely. I have many tingz 2say jst,

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You don't have to waste you precious time explaining to the religionists in this forum. They will never paid attention to your intelligent comments.

all4naija:
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You don't have to waste you precious time explaining to the religionists in this forum. They will never paid attention to your intelligent comments.

ok mr 'intelligent' save your self the stress and stop evangelizing and preaching to pple to accept it that God doesn't exist since u already have the preconceived response you'll get

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I am not saying anybody should accept but pay attention to detail of what others are saying other than resorting to useless arguments with baseless evidences. Defending the origin of the universe with the religion books after knowing their history with contradictions to facts is appalling to say the least.

all4naija:
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I am not saying anybody should accept but pay attention to detail of what others are saying other than resorting to useless arguments with baseless evidences. Defending the origin of the universe with the religion books after knowing their history with contradictions to facts is appalling to say the least.

Have u bothered to pay attention to what others have been saying? If u did read what others that arent in support of your views had posted, isnt obvious that  u already have a biased and stereotyped response to give at the back of your mind? Most of u atheists here thinks u are smart. U choose to call others deluded, reeeeeeetard, mooooooooooooooooron etc for not listening to your atheism evangelism, have u guys searched your self thoroughly to see if u arent guilty of what u are accusing others of?

If truly your 'messages' makes sense, why is it that your number cant be compared to those of pple who holds contrary views and preach a different message thats different from yours?

If u guys are referring to millions of pple as retaaaaaaaaards etc what can u call your selves that belongs to the minority in the worlds population. Simply means your views arent worth considering, makes no sense and should be rejected before being laid down. At least the majority of the views of others cant be 100% inaccurate. can they?

For u not to feel im talking nonsense, i have properly laid out my findings and stats from different site on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-734872.0.html

cheers

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I am trying not to get into any argument with you because it will end up in insult - which I am trying to avoid. There's nothing wrong with Atheist as well as Theist. But,what I am saying is that the argument has to done on a fair ground not through insult with having to grasp what others have emphasized on. Just like some people will come here and start preaching instead of explaining their argument. That is what I am trying to put forward.

Nobody said you are retarded for no reason, except when you failed to use your brain to see beyond your nose of myths and some legendary, which are in all traditions people called gods. Many Atheists were once in that state of holding on to such perception. Please, let's not resort to abuses again.

all4naija:
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I am trying not to get into any argument with you because it will end up in insult - which I am trying to avoid.

My bro, thats why i keep having issues with u guys. u dont come into a discussion without having a preconceived idea that u are unwilling to let go.This is very common with u guys and it undermine the potency of the discussion being table. Im not the insult trigger guy. May be before but not now. I dont think i have expressly insulted u or implied it in any way. im asking u questions based on some of the reaction of atheists here. we arent here to fight to win an award or promotion. 

all4naija:
There's nothing wrong with Atheist as well as Theist. But,what I am saying is that the argument has to done on a fair ground not through insult with having to grasp what others have emphasized on. Just like some people will come here and start preaching instead of explaining their argument. That is what I am trying to put forward.

Bros i agree with u but im also trying to open your understanding to the fact that both the atheists and the theists are guilty of trading insults at one another. Gray beard did insulted on this thread same as other atheists like harakiri calling pple retaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaards etc. I like it when pple are being objective and factual. If u want to be critical, search your self to know if u arent gulity of what u are accusing others of doing.

all4naija:
Nobody said you are slow for no reason, except when you failed to use your brain to see beyond your nose of myths and some legendary, which are in all traditions people called gods.

My brother thats what u think. Same way the christians  rely so much on their bible and muslims on quran to defend their belief. generalizing and hastily coming into conclusion might not be a too good idea. U weren't around during the time of evolution or were u?. U require some form of 'faith' to believe what u never experienced first hand. Same way the theists. So lets not generalize cos there are some questions i can put up to u which u may be unable to give me expected and factual answer. So lets not go there.

all4naija:
Many Atheists were once in that state of holding on to such perception. Please, let's not resort to abuses again.

perception is the key word. we perceive things differently and we are still going to perceive it different till we die. Some Christians have your perception, therefore left christianity into atheism. their perception changed again and they are back into Christianity. Hope u agree with me on this

all4naija:
Please, let's not resort to abuses

As i have stated above not insult cos i dont take things too serious online especially on faceless forums like this.

cheers once again.

[b]There have been atrocious,and i mean super-atrocious evils committed in the name of religion and God,the vicious crusades of the knight

templars, the Jihads of saladin and co.,the sale of absolution from sins and forgiveness by the early church,the religious extremist groups

wrecking mayhem all around the globe,the salem witch hunts and the fear propelled by the malleus malleficarum to name but a very few,

but the fact is all these stuff were not really done cuz of God,these evils were created and perpetrated by and for greedy human minds.

God does not need humans to fight his battles,instead its the other way round.

And no matter how deep science delves,there will always be limits and there will ALWAYS be speculative theories about things that science

cannot unveil. There can never be a plain scientific explanation for the mind-boggling and gut wrenching observations such as Re-incarnations,

Exorcisms, Resurrections, Dire miracles in broad daylight, Prayers getting answered, Prophecies coming to fruition.etc

But even with all these,like i posted earlier,you can only believe what you wanna.

No matter the proof shown and explanations given,you'll always find your own seemingly "logical" reasons to doubt.

Chart your own course to where your mind may find its own beliefs. Nuff said. [/b]

There is God. You are trying to see him just because u think He's 'living breathing Human' like us. Tell me your name and i will course with his to prove His existency. There are many great islamic scholars that can wake dead, tell trees or rock to move with just God's name. Don't try to see him now when we will all see him when we die.

Defending christianity with the bible is as ridiculous as defending christmas with santa claus? I wonder if the "christians" here know that christmas is actually a greel pagan festival dedicated to the gods! How about easter? Vals day? New years day? Do you "christians" know the true origins and purpose of these festivals? Reetards! ! !

only a fool wil say God exist
without research of hw it al
began. D religion dat brot d
various Gods was fashoind as a
tool of mind control. Y do i say
dis? Takin xtainity as case study,
B4 d religion got 2 africa, d white
mans blif was dat dia kings were
God sent and dat instructions
were passd 2ru dem by God so
dey were refered 2 as lord and
also heads of d church den, and
nt also 4gettin dat d church
durin d medieval era wen church
was controllin d world, dey need
some kind rule book 2
psychologically imprison d mind
of d pple and subject dem 2
psychological obidence ('for dere
is no prison greater dan d prison
of d mind') usin divine medium
(cos wat wil b of human wen al
hp is lost) dey inventd d bible,
designd b d best philosophers
2take care of future problems.or
WAT DO U TINK MADE GOD
2CONDONED SALVERY IN D
BIBLE because wen d bible was
been writen salvery was d order
of d day and d so called priest
dat compiled it were involved in
it. Also reason out d mass
murderin carried out by God
loved countries lyk isreal, jst
because it is said dat God
ordered d killin of evri1 includin
innocent childern. Den again dat
waz den d orda of d day. Al dis
was incorporate into d bible jst
2suit dia lyfs. The blif was brot 2
africa and our fore fathers
abandoned dia own blifs 4 d
white mans blifs jst because dey
cam in more organized and
forcely. I have many tingz 2say
jst, if was brot 2
africa and our fore fathers
abandoned dia own blifs 4 d
white mans blifs jst because dey
cam in more organized and
forcely. I have many tingz 2say
jst,

mabel is this your twin?

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." - Romans 1:19-21

"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" - Isaiah 45:5

"Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." - Isaiah 45:21

LORD is JEHOVAH, YAHWEH, JESUS CHRIST

prove d existence of your God not with wats ur told or d book ur given 2read bt by ur personal encounter wit him. If u cnt do dis wif out refer 2wat ur told and read in some one's journal, den u know nothin abt d subject called God. And pls dnt refer 2 any coincidental miracles (dat cn b performed or witnessed by d so called 'non believers') as ur personal encounter with d 'God'.
''for a true knowledge is one acquire by you''

Reply to dalaman


"Has God reveled himself to you personally? Many people have made such claims to me but when I ask them about specifics, I always get confusing answers some get testy and insist that I just accept their assertions without any meaningful explanation. [i]I sincerely hope that God will reveal himself to me because am so confused right now"[/i].


Without meaning to be unkind in my words (and pls forgive me if this comes across that way), I dare say, your confusion will linger for quite a while yet, unless you change your pattern of reasoning! You need to be truly sincere with YOURSELF. You need to ask yourself: "what do I really want to do with my life?" That is because this IS about your life, not other Nairalanders', and MOST CERTAINLY, not about GOD's!


Right now, you seem to me like a man who wants to drive a nail into a board. He is given a nice, sturdy hammer. Fine good piece of professional craftmanship. But he looks at it and asks: "why use a hammer?" Why use THIS hammer?" What if it breaks at the first strike on the nail?" "Why wasn't I given a screwdriver?" "That could screw in the nail with scientific accuracy and minimal force" "Or maybe I should try a spanner". "Or maybe an electric staple gun" "or maybe even this or that or, or , or , , " The list goes on and his confusion becomes dumbfoundedness.

That pretty much describes your situation right now, unless ofcourse the motive for your question was merely to draw attention to yourself, and not to find lasting, satisfying meaning in life. Which one is it, really? Only you can answer that correctly and conscientiously (you definitely sound like you have a good conscience).

In a nutshell, you have been given reasons to believe God exists even before you came on this forum, but you just could not see them: You have observed nature and rather than perceive Godship, you sought to see a Spirit Force.

You have observed mankind. Rather than see conclusive proof of a singular Source of an elevated moral code that is innate in the vastly identical yearnings of people worldwide for identity, fairness, equity and justice (even in the lawless wilds), you seek an alternative to the "God Explanation", as you put it.

Therefore, I ask you again: what do you seek?

If you want to see the Supreme Spirit Being with your eyes, try becoming a spirit being first!
And if you can not accept the existence of spirit creatures, how can you hope to see evidence of one at work? will your skepticism allow you to recognize such evidence?

If you seek to understand the reason for your existence on earth (as well as the answer to the question: What Is The Purpose Of Life?) then change your attitude:

Stop groping for alternative tools for a simple task while despising the right tool in your hand (perhaps because to you, the tool in your hand is too simple, humble or ordinary) 

Keep in mind that the greatest truths are the simplest.

Why waste your energy with those who promise answers while they themselves are in the dark concerning creation? They declare there is no Creator, and yet they can not account for the existence of the creation around them.

They denounce the explanations of Godship and origin of life on earth as subjective rather than objective, whereas they are forever SUBJECTED to their whimsical selfish and self-indulgent desires, for which they are struggling to be unaccountable, while at the same time enslaved to some form of the disjointed and dysfunctional evolution hypotheses! Which one of them have successfully re-created the so-called "primitive atmosphere" under which amino acids could be synthesized even in a laboratory environment? And how long did the few, incomplete acid molecules thus synthesized last? Or where is the end to their search for the "missing link" in their ape man hypothesis, if not in the realm of doctored lab sculpturings and "scientific" reports? Where is the promised accuracy of the Carbon dating methods they have been touting for decades, when the age of fossils are constantly been reviewed back and forth? And yet they present bogus figures for the age of man on the planet, pointing to isolated, un-associated  even unidentifiable fragments of bones as the early origins of man on earth!
   
And the audacity they have to teach all such conjectures as facts in colleges, predisposing credulous pupils to view the  sound scriptural explanation of creation with suspicion and bias!

Sadly enough, such impressionable "pupils" who never developed their thinking faculties to a level worthy of matured students, today stand up and call genuine students of the scriptures "Brainwashed" simply because these students have the moral fiber to pursue a life of accountability before a Creator, God. 

These pupils are the ones who turn out to be atheist, influenced by half knowledge and swollen expressions of emptiness from so-called scholars who they (the pupils) hold in reverence and do not dare to question! They truly are the brainwashed ones, are they not?

If you think not, then answer me this I beg of you:

1) Whose reasonings are they propounding on this thread- one exclusively originating with them or one laced with and influenced by the toxins distilled and spewed by evolution proponents and oriental philosophies?

2) Which one of all those atheist following this thread has published a truly scientific collection of facts that demonstrates the Big slam hypothesis (I deliberately refuse to label any fallacy as Theory) in a global journal? Let him show it now or forever keep silent!

3) If bible students stand here judged and condemned as repeating age old explanations, let one single accuser present his brand new, proven and demonstrable, scientifically accepted proof debunking the simple age old majestic and unfading Creation account found in the scriptures.

As a scientist myself, I know that true science only seeks to discover, understand and eventually explain creation, with a view to harnessing principles for practical application in human societies.

Only impressionable, gullible "pupils" of science begin to exalt science over creation or the concept of Creatorship.

So, why wander along their pathways?

Have you not seen the result of their way? Reckless and selfish living which only hides their utter hopelessness and emptiness inside while they pretend to be enlightened and liberated from all cares in the world? Do you not observe the climbing rate of Suicide, Divorce, Drug Abuse and Addiction in lands where the majority pursue the unaccountability philosophy embedded in atheism?

Let no atheist deceive you - All humans stand subjected to a higher influence:

Either subject to their subconscious self-indulgent desires which are in-turn subject to their morally bankcrupt environmental exposures leading to short term pleasures and long term emptiness and ruin;

Or subject to the perfect moral code of conduct prescribed by the Creator of all, with short term self-sacrificing and long term discipline, hope and fulfillment.   

It is indeed your call as to how you chose to live your life. Make that decision sincerely, not hypocritically, and your life will take on more meaning.

As to your confusions and doumbfoundedness, you can cure these by heeding this admonition:

"If anyone of you is lacking wisdom, let him keep on asking God, for He gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him. But let him keep on asking in faith, not doubting at all, for he that doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about. Infact, let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from Jehovah; he is an indecisive man, unsteady in all his ways" - James 1:5-8


Your spiritual indecision may eventually make you indecisive in all other aspect of your life, making you "unsteady in all [your] ways".  Don't let that happen.

Check your motives. If you sincerely want answers to life's most important questions, examine  the Topics: WHAT IS THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD?" & "WHAT IS GOD'S PURPOSE FOR THE EARTH?" in the book - What Does The Bible Really Teach? You can get one from Jehovah's Witnesses, and I do recommend it to all my students freely.

Start your search for God at the right place: In your room in private prayer.

And remember to accept the simple obvious tool for the simple task on your hand. Quit wasting your life, searching for the exotic, sophisticated yet-to-be created tool that will eventually only perform the very same task in exactly the same way!

You do not need to see God with your two eyes to know he exist. When you see a house you do not need to see a the builder to know that the house was build by someone. The house is evidence that a skilled craftsmen built the house. Likewise evidence of God existences surrounds us the creation, human, animals, laws of nature, etc. . . .Yes he does exist just look around, nothing is here by chance

STOP BREATHING FOR 30MINUTES THEN YOU WONT DOUBT GOD'S INVISIBLE OMNIPRESENT EXISTENCE.

it is only a big FOOL will say there is no GOD .
GOD IS EVERYTHING,GOD IS EVERYWHERE.HE DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE,because HE ALLOWS BOTH CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIM TO BREATH HIS AIR. GOD IS MERCIFUL EVEN DESPITE OUR MISDEEDS...GOD IS LOVE.

THE KNOWING AND THE FEELING OF GOD IS IN THE SEEKING.

dalaman:
Just wanna share my innermost thoughts on this because I have been a litile confused lately, I've been trying to put myself into "the mind of the atheist" in how I view the world.

I have been looking up at the sky a lot and I discovered that we are in a a kind of dome. Studied astronomy and discovered that there are way too many planets out there that our importance on this planet to me is insignificant. Take out our solar system today and the universe will not feel as if it has lost anything. Everything will continue just the way it has. . .Many solar systems have come and gone and yet the universe is just there, for ever expanding into space, for how long it will continue to expand I don't know. So this brings me to the question of existence of God.

I have also been looking around at various aspects of nature trying to see exactly where God is. While doing this, I came up with a thought provoking question and challenged myself by asking myself this question.

When I look around the world, I see nature. I do not see the spiritual God anywhere. Now, one may say God is evidenced in creation, but for the sake of this question, I am trying to look for the actual spirit of where God might be hanging out. And personally i do not see a God that interacts with his creation any where, all I see are organisms and forces of nature acting on each other alone.

My thought can be summed up as thusly:

"When I look around the world, I see no spiritual beings. Likewise, atheists look around the world and see no spiritual beings as well. Why then must we come up with a God explanation and defend it very rigorously when we all look around and can see nothing? Why must we come up with all these excuses such as 'Oh God doesn't do x and x and x because of y and y and y?' Every single person that lived in the past saw the exact same world that we see today and saw it behave the same way we do today. Yet, despite all the thousands of years of history and God debates, we are still using the same arguments and discussion as man did hundreds to thousands of years ago. Why even start inventing reasons and excuses for something that we can't even see?"

I can not answer this question no matter how hard I try. Putting aside all personal religious beliefs and just looking around the world around me, has me dumbfounded.

Ancient man saw nothing different than we do today. many people that lived and died saw the same natural world where mindless forces are just acting out on their own for no particular purpose. It appears that nature has always been silent on the subject of God.

Why are we no closer to answering the question "Does God exist?" today than we were thousands of years ago?

Does God really exist and he's hiding? Do we truly believe so much that its our belief that is making us see, not necessarily because there is God?

Or is nature's silence on the subject proof he doesn't exist and we just make up excuses to justify the silence from nature? Am truly confused.

You have allowed the spirit of doubtness to take over you..
The Existence of God is True..
CAN YOU STILL REMEMBER THAT SPIRIT THAT USED TO COME OVER ONE WHILE FIGHTING LIKE...Kill him, Kill him so one may commit sin..
THIS SHOW A VERY BIG SIGN THAT NO DOUBT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD IS TRUE..


YOU NEED TO SEEK FORGIVENESS AND STOP DOUBTING..