10. You vigorously deny the existence of God, yet you frequently blame Him for all the "evils" in the world, all the natural disasters, and everything else under the sun that is wrong in modern society.

9. You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when creationists say that people were created in the image and likeness of God, but you have no problem with the evolutionist claim that we all evolved from slime by a cosmic accident.

8. You criticize fundamental Christians who believe the Bible, and say that it can't possibly be true because it's just a book written by mere men, yet you never question any of Darwin's writings or Richard Dawkins' books.

7. You can't seem to understand the primary differences between fundamental Muslims and fundamental Christians (hint: strap-on TNT. Plus - Muhammad says, “kill innocent people and yourself if you love me.” Jesus Christ said, “I’ll die for you because I love you”).

6. You say the Bible is full of fairytales and fables, yet you believe all life forms including plants, trees, insects, birds, fish, reptiles and mammals evolved from one species into another - As if evolution isn’t the biggest fairytale of them all.

5. You laugh at the Supernatural, even though scientists have calculated the odds of life forming by natural processes to be estimated less than 1 chance in 10 to the 40,ooo power – But you find nothing wrong with believing that billions of years full of random mutations would result in the impossible.

4. You accuse fundamental Christians of being intolerant, judgmental and hateful, while you foam at the mouth calling them freaking lunatics, ignorant, weak-minded, silly fundies, and hateful bigots.

3. You ignore scientific concepts like cause and effect, and you don't realize that a closed system can be defined however the observer wants, so you throw out technological phrases to try to ignore the implications of thermodynamics by saying the laws of physics are not set in stone.

2. While all evidence, logic and reasoning point to a Creator and absolute truth, you prefer to hide behind relativism and a theory of evolution which does not, in fact, describe the creation of the universe at all, or why concepts of good and evil or morality exist.

1. *Atheism fails to adequately explain the existence of eternal, unchanging truths, for it rejects the existence of an eternal unchanging mind. Atheism cannot offer man any eternal significance whatsoever. Temporary meaning in life is insufficient, for our accomplishments die with the death of the universe -- there is no ultimate purpose in a universe void of God.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37289

frosbel:

10. You vigorously deny the existence of God, yet you frequently blame Him for all the "evils" in the world, all the natural disasters, and everything else under the sun that is wrong in modern society.

Can you name one atheist here on nairaland that blames any God for the evils in the world?. . . .Do you read what you post at all?. . .

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Absolutely.

For example I have met many who blame the GOD factor for all wars since time immemorial.

Anyway address the 10 points mentioned in a logical and relevant manner.

frosbel:

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Absolutely.

For example I have met many who blame the GOD factor for all wars since time immemorial.

Anyway address the 10 points mentioned in a logical and relevant manner.

What am I to do with your anecdotal stories, am talking of here on nairaland. . . .How can an atheist blame God for the evils of the world

frosbel:

7. You can't seem to understand the primary differences between fundamental Muslims and fundamental Christians (hint: strap-on TNT. Plus - Muhammad says, “kill innocent people and yourself if you love me.” Jesus Christ said, “I’ll die for you because I love you”)

Jesus said: Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

someone said something very interesting to me the other day, he said:
back in the biblical days, there WAS OBVIOUS MIRACLES, curing of PLAGUES, changing liquids into wine, splitting waters etc(whether they were real or not, we will never know) BUT TODAY we can surely use science to differentiate between a conman and a true prophet. when was the last time anyone heard of someone doing a documented miracle?! not just something that happened by CHANCE or charlatans in churches making fake handicapped walk or crazy people sane.

frosbel:

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Absolutely.

For example I have met many who blame the GOD factor for all wars since time immemorial.

Anyway address the 10 points mentioned in a logical and relevant manner.

The God factor and God are not the same. The atheist is saying that people's belief in God is causing wars, etc., not the atheist's belief in Him. If anything, he's saying people should discard such belief, not that he believes it. You don't need any signs to know that someone is an atheist. Anyone who does not believe in the existence of God is an atheist. That's all you need.

someone said something very interesting to me the other, he said:
back in the biblical days, there WAS OBVIOUS MIRACLES, curing of PLAGUES, changing liquids into wine, splitting waters etc(whether they were real or not, we will never know) BUT TODAY we can surely use science to differentiate between a conman and a true prophet. when was the last time anyone heard of someone doing a documented miracle?! not just something that happened by CHANCE or charlatans in churches making fake handicapped walk or crazy people sane.

Why doesn't god answer the prayers of amputees? Has there ever been one amputee that grew their limb back?

or better yet, turn dust into food and feed the gazillion of Africans infants who are dying of hunger?

seems like whoever made miracle to save people back then , is happy to let us suffer for no apparent reasons.
but hey, at least it got gazillions of people hooked into christianity and is making some pastor buy 4jets!

LOL

"frosbel" should be called "FOX-BELL" .him and fox news have some similarities i guess.

not that i support atheism or atheists in anyway (as I am Muslim myself who believes in God);but when you want to engage or criticize others,it must be done fairly and intellectually and not based on what "you think" of them.

Somebody just rip off anything on internet and paste it as "new found knowledge". The titling alone makes it sound ailments atheists suffer from. I'm so sick of reading reetarded threads. You begin to wonder if the poster's brain is well nourished!

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And that in a nutshell , is your intelligent response to this article. The Nigerian method of debate is direct personal abuse , not a surprise here !!

Atheists , funny people.!!!

Frosbel, everyone is aware of your biased arguments and tongue twisting. Only a newbie will fall for what you typed above. Reetard (make a thread on that dumb a$$)

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thanks for the compliments !!!!!

frosbel:

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And that in a nutshell , is your intelligent response to this article. The Nigerian method of debate is direct personal abuse , not a surprise here !!

Atheists , funny people.!!!

@fox-bell

you should really be ashamed of yourself!
those words (above quoted) should not come out of your mouth.may be someone else.

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By default I assumed I was debating with mature men and women, appears there are a few exceptions

The problem with Christianity is not the literature but the latitude for personal interpretation. it is like a match-stick, one minute it is a twig, next minute it is a stick insect and the next minute it is a tooth-pick. one thing is for sure - - it always is-- a match-stick.

I admit atheism IMHO is not as fashionable as is Christianity and all the other re-touchable social ideologies. As much as we hate to admit it, It gets old and worn as foretold by Jesus himself -- there shall be a falling-away not necessarily as a result of the devil but as a result an increase in knowledge. the more you know, the better you understand and the easier it becomes to discern Spiritual Truth from Error. we are unabashedly Old-fashion and set in our ways.

It would have been worth the insight going by the title, but your 10-points are the same ol purist posturing and baiting with the intent to argue rather than reveal.

MRbrownJAY:

or better yet, turn dust into food and feed the gazillion of Africans infants who are dying of hunger?

seems like whoever made miracle to save people back then , is happy to let us suffer for no apparent reasons.
but hey, at least it got gazillions of people hooked into christianity and is making some pastor buy 4jets!

divinereal:


Why doesn't god answer the prayers of amputees? Has there ever been one amputee that grew their limb back?

Frosbel's point #10 right there.

davidylan:

Frosbel's point #10 right there.

I'm surprised you fail to sense the sarcastic tone of their queries.  In actuality, the blame is not on "God", as frosbel's #10 point would have us believe.

An atheist position on ~10 simply is this: There's no god. If there is, and he is as described by most religions, we won't be having the problem of evil. Atheists don't blame god for the evils in the world, they just can't reconcile his existence with the presence of evil.

All hail Mazaje the atheist.

Purist:

I'm surprised you fail to sense the sarcastic tone of their queries.  In actuality, the blame is not on "God", as frosbel's #10 point would have us believe.

I've read that point being made here over and over and over again. Not surprised.

phxc:

An atheist position on ~10 simply is this: There's no god. If there is, and he is as described by most religions, we won't be having the problem of evil. Atheists don't blame god for the evils in the world, they just can't reconcile his existence with the presence of evil.

that's nonsense because it seems the atheist wants to eat his cake and have it. the atheist creates a false idea of God that behaves just the way THEY expect. Why does the atheist think man-made evil should not exist simply because God exists?

Nezan:

All hail Mazaje the atheist.

lol

dont get me wrong peeps, i believe there was ONCE a being that did many beautiful things BUT That person has been on strike for MANY CENTURIES now and i doubt he will be back anytime soon.

but hey, i am still waiting to hear about ANYONE who heard from him lately (not the BS like "i got a job, i found a wife" type because even a sinner can easily get that.)

as for good vs evil,funny how people are quick to point out all their failures in life as "the work of evil". . . . . .  NOW, if our boy Lucifer is the one doing all the wrongs in this world then God is one hell of a weak person and we should all just accept that Lucifer is running the show now, not God.

davidylan:

I've read that point being made here over and over and over again. Not surprised.

Reading something and understanding it are very different things, no?. . . .How does a question like why does God not heal amputees and restore their amputated limbs which comes as a result of claims of miracles from the christians amounts to atheist blaming God?. . . .

that's nonsense because it seems the atheist wants to eat his cake and have it. the atheist creates a false idea of God that behaves just the way THEY expect. Why does the atheist think man-made evil should not exist simply because God exists?

False, God believers are the ones that God about projecting themsleves as God and creating a personal God that agrees with their ideas and conception, no?. . .The very many various sects in christianity alone is the evidence for this, every body just goes about creating what ever concept of God he imagines out of the bible that is why you always see very sincere christians disagreeing with each other most of the time, because even the writers of the bible allhave different concept of who God was to them. . . .Man made evil, according to some God believers, God is said to always  protect his own, if they pray to him and ask for guidance and protection,no?. . .What about natural disasters, that are not man made?. . . .funny how everything God is credited to God, but all the uncountable bad things are blamed on the devil. . .Some people even blame death on the imaginary devil. . . .Deluded people. . .