doggedfighter:
You went to a business centre.




All churches are !

Nhemzie17:


Its now clear to me now.
I'm oficially staying away from churches now.

Nhemzie17:


Its now clear to me now.
I'm oficially staying away from churches now.

AntiChristian:

Jesus didn't attend church nor urge anyone to.

AntiChristian:
Jesus didn't attend church nor urge anyone to.

Lukuluku69:
As someone said up there, you went to a Business Center.

And if you ask me, ALL of them are Business Center with no mercy for the Congregants when it comes to money matter.

MaxInDHouse:


He urged his disciples to gather in his name {Matthew 18:20} it's our assembly as worshipers that's called church not a building!

Nhemzie17:
So I was compelled to church today after almost a year by my neighbour and I wasn't proud of what I saw (I might be wrong though).
1. There was about six different offerings and it was compulsory for you to leave your sit and dance to the altar to drop the money (it was a very big church so each offering exercise takes up to 10mins), that's over an hour in total collecting money in a 3 hour service.
2. The mode of the sixth offering made me leave the church immediately: The pastor stood at the alter and called different denominations of naira beginning from 5k downwards and people went to the alter to drop as soon as the amount of money they wish to drop was called.
Ive not been a great Christian but aren't our givings supposed to be between God and I or has the system now changed? not to mention the excess tasking of members.
Happy Sunday.

advocatejare:

Says a man whose clerics collect all sorts of money from people: from owo ope, owo alubarika, owo kika Quranic etc

You guys should focus on the nonsense you do in your religion and allow others live their lives!

AntiChristian:


In essence he never started anything but told you to gather...

How will you gather?
What will you gather to do?
Where to gather?
Rules and regulations!
He just never started anything!

Gather in someone's name are for the lost sheep of Israel. How did it concern you?

Lukuluku69:


Of cos the Clerics do collects various owo opes. That's true. But one thing you never hear them say is that non payment will land you in Jahanam or things will be tight for whoever refuses to pay.

Or have you heard the Imam at Abuja Central Mosque say if you don't drop money on Fridays na Hellfire straight as that Hellfire Gateman at Ota use to say or the one that drinks Tea with God?

At your last paragraph, why not take your own medicine? Count the number of post you have made about Islam and Muslims and the one you have made for your "Lord and Personal Saviour" then come back and make the statement again.

advocatejare:

Did the op claim that they said those words to him?


And if a cleric says you should pay owo alubarika, he is not telling you indirectly that there won’t be alubarika for you if you don’t pay?

Did muhammad collect owo alubarika




We have many of your lunatic clerics always claiming that they go to pray in Mecca on fridays even when they haven’t left their rooms

Or your terrorists that kill people and bomb themselves just because of 72 wives and a strength of 100 men to sleep with them that muhammad promised them






I make my posts to expose your folly and to let the whole world know that Muslims and Islam are guilty of everything they accuse other religions of!

Lukuluku69:


Oga calm down before start chewing on your keypad. Abeg!

I don't need to pay any owo alubarika to any one because my portion in this life is assured. So, if there is any Cleric or Clerics mouthing that, he is on his own.

Of course My Beloved did not collect owo alubarika (Baraka meaning blessings) but he said we should give Charity. Whether those Clerics ask or not, a Muslim will always give Charity.

Of course there are Lunatics every where and I have heard the talk about some clerics saying they prayed Fajr in their house, Zuhr and Asr in Mecca lol. They are not any different from someone who claimed he drove an SUV on empty Tank from Benin City to Lagos or that God Almighty came to his house to drink Tea. Looneys everywhere. And I know you must have dozens of those stories at your Business Centers a lot. They are a symptoms of mad people. So, I don't take them serious.

advocatejare:

The Quran you’re reading today is for the Arabs (people of Mecca and its environs) how does the Quran concern you today, are you an Arab?



It is stated in the Quran that no messenger (Rasool) was sent except in the language of his people. That’s the logic of Islam and Quran.

Muhammad only spoke Arabic and hence, according to that Quranic verse, muhammad was sent only to the Arabs and not the whole world as he couldn’t speak all the languages in the world!


“And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allāh sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.”
-Quran 14:4



Also, it is stated in the Quran that the Quran was revealed to warn the people of Mecca and those around. Quran was not sent to the whole world, if you’re not an Arab, the Quran wasn’t sent to you.


And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allāh and avoid ṭāghūt." And among them were those whom Allāh guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed [i.e., travel] through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers.
-Quran 16:36


Allah said that he sent messengers to every nations. Muhammad was sent in the language of his people and the Quran was sent to the people of Mecca and surroundings, you Nigerian Muslims should go and look for your own messengers that was sent to you!


“And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur’ān that you may warn the Mother of Cities [i.e., Makkah] and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze.”
-Quran 42:7



Muslims are always quick to lay claim that another part of the Quran said muhammad was sent to the whole world! If that is true, then it negates what Allah said about the

-Quran being sent to the people of Mecca and surroundings

-Messengers being sent in the language of their people (Muhammad could only speak Arabic)

advocatejare:

Those clerics are Muslims and are your religious leaders


So where do your people collecting such money learn it from


We have hundreds of such stories in your hadith: how muhammad said he flew to Jerusalem on a donkey, how muhammad hallucinated about having sex, how muhammad said that stones were saluting him, how muhammad said that women also ejaculate and that if a woman ejaculates first then the child will resemble her, how muhammad said reciting one yeye thing will prevent dying from poison and he himself ended up being murdered by poisoned food etc

Lukuluku69:


But Jesus said he was sent to the Lost tribes of Israel.....

He told his disciples not to enter gentiles houses but rather go to the lost of Israel....

ABI those part no dey your own version of God's word ni?

Are you a Jew too?

Small time now, you will be shouting cherry picking, dis one na mango picking abi?

Lukuluku69:


Of course the Clerics are Muslims and Religious Leaders but know you that the Quran and the Hadiths are the standard not them. They are humans and can err. So, if I find anything they do or say contrary to what the Quran says and different from the prophetic traditions, I am free of it and it is not Islamic.

I told you where they get the idea from. And trust me, it is their interpretations. The Quran enjoins on Muslims to be ceaseless in doing charitable works and giving Charity. As you can see, Muslims are spread all over the World, so try and see if such Owo alubarika is collected in Mecca, Tehran, Uzbekistan, Chechen, Muskat, Cairo etc. So, go search the Net...

Do you want me to show you in your Bible The Prophets Night Journey?

Nhemzie17:
So I was compelled to church today after almost a year by my neighbour and I wasn't proud of what I saw (I might be wrong though).
1. There was about six different offerings and it was compulsory for you to leave your sit and dance to the altar to drop the money (it was a very big church so each offering exercise takes up to 10mins), that's over an hour in total collecting money in a 3 hour service.
2. The mode of the sixth offering made me leave the church immediately: The pastor stood at the alter and called different denominations of naira beginning from 5k downwards and people went to the alter to drop as soon as the amount of money they wish to drop was called.
Ive not been a great Christian but aren't our givings supposed to be between God and I or has the system now changed? not to mention the excess tasking of members.
Happy Sunday.

cc; nlfpmod

Nhemzie17:
So I was compelled to church today after almost a year by my neighbour and I wasn't proud of what I saw (I might be wrong though).
1. There was about six different offerings and it was compulsory for you to leave your sit and dance to the altar to drop the money (it was a very big church so each offering exercise takes up to 10mins), that's over an hour in total collecting money in a 3 hour service.
2. The mode of the sixth offering made me leave the church immediately: The pastor stood at the alter and called different denominations of naira beginning from 5k downwards and people went to the alter to drop as soon as the amount of money they wish to drop was called.
Ive not been a great Christian but aren't our givings supposed to be between God and I or has the system now changed? not to mention the excess tasking of members.
Happy Sunday. d

advocatejare:

I hope you are also aware that a lunatic once said that he split the moon into two, the same lunatic who claimed that he was not given the power of miracles and that only a book of fables and plagiarism and his followers suggestions were his only miracles but same person claimed to have split the moon into two, we wonder what relevance such a stupid miracle is

advocatejare:

That was his first point of call, because the Bible says that through the Jews the whole world will be blessed!


I’m not cherry picking, if you humble yourself I will teach you the sense you don’t have. Oya farabale

Jesus instructed his disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world to highlight the fact that he was sent to the whole world and his message is to the whole world. Muhammad on the other hand never made such a declaration


And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone.
-Mark 16:15


Matthew 24:14: ―And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come

Lukuluku69:


Humble myself at the feet of a fucktar.d? No, I will pass. You don't even know who you are dealing with.

If your Jesus point of call is the Jews, then leave me out of it. I am not a Jew, don't wish to be one and never will be one.

His Message is to the whole world yet he never stepped out of Judea, his handpicked disciples were all Jews, he never preached to Pilate nor to Herod.

He specifically gave them instructions not to approach any Gentiles, and the Gentile that came his way seeking help, he called "Dogs"

After he left his choose disciples, they were all holed up in Jerusalem and never ventured out. They won't eat with the same Gentiles you claimed your Jesus sent them to until a certain "Apostle" Paul came along ( some Thirteen years after Jesus left) who reprimanded Jesus choose disciples about eating and mingling with Gentiles.

And you think I can learn from you? Aside your uncouthness there is not Lukuluku69 can learn from you.

If you will leave aside your vitriols, engage me and you experience Bible exegesis like you have never before.

Lukuluku69:


Lol

From the abundance of the heart. ...

Say whatever you feel like, it is your mouth.

They are your words. A day cometh you and I will give accounts for even the idle ones.

To enter God's Paradise, you go work, to enter the other one too, nah work.

Keep them coming...

The Angels are recording.

advocatejare:

The only fucktar.d I know is the lunatic that kept on hallucinating about sex all his life and ended up being killed from poisoned food like a common rat.


Did Muhammad preach Islam outside Mecca and Medina?

The liar that claim he was sent to the world didn’t step out of the Arab peninsula and didn’t instruct his followers to preach to the world.

If not for forced conversion and killing of apostates that his murderous successors used, that they used to capture your ancestors and that Usmanu Danfodio continued to use to enslave your grandparents and brought them in chains into Islam like muhammad commanded, you won’t have been here defending Islam.

Jesus on the other hands preached to non Jews and he instructed his disciples to preach to the whole world !


Even your Muhammad that was born 600 years after Jesus’ resurrection knew the Christians in the Arab world, one of them was his uncle Waraqa whom Khadija took Muhammad to when he encountered the jinn that pinned him down thrice in the cave of Hira

AntiChristian:


In essence he never started anything but told you to gather...

How will you gather?
What will you gather to do?
Where to gather?
Rules and regulations!
He just never started anything!

Gather in someone's name are for the lost sheep of Israel. How did it concern you?

Lukuluku69:


Since I signed up on Nairaland, I have never encountered a truly knowledgeable Christian. Not even one!

Prophet Muhammad sent Emissaries to the Persian King, he sent to the Byzantine Emperor for them to embrace Islam. So, despite all you have been reading about Islam, you never came across that piece of information? O ma se o. You must surely have seen it but as usual nah Mango picking excercise you dey do. The only known encounter of Jesus with any ruler of a Land was when he was slapped around and taken to Pilate and then Herod.

Please show me from the Gospel Jesus encounter with Non-Jews. Please quote the relevant Chapters and verses for Nairaland to see it.

Lol. So the Yorubas were forcefully converted? Really really? I never knew o.

So you know about Waraqa? Doubly interesting! The funny thing is, Waraqa with the effusion of the Holy Spirit could not convert the Pagan Meccans but the Son of Amina did in a little over 23years and erased all traces of idolatry in Arabia till date!

This singular achievement wowed Prophet Jeremiah and was also talked about by Prophet Isaiah.

Wherefore I will yet plead with you, saith the Lord, and with your children's children will I plead.
For pass over the isles of Kittim, and see; and send unto Kedar, and consider diligently, and see if there be such a thing.
Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the Lord.
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
-- Jeremiah 2:9-13
KJV Holy Bible