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was Jesus the Messiah let's examine the
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facts
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the missionaries claimed that Jesus
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fulfilled all the prophecies pertaining
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to the Messiah the truth however is that
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he did not fulfill even one of the
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important prophecies if Christians
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merely believe that Jesus was their
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Messiah this belief would be of little
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concern to us as Jews their claim
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however is not that he is the Christian
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Messiah but our Messiah the Messiah of
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the Jews the Messiah foretold by the
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Jewish prophets Christians then attempt
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to prove this belief by quoting our
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Bible certain Christian missionary
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groups has set up front organizations
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like Jews for Jesus through which they
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entice naive Jews to Christianity with
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an old and discredited argument don't
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become a Christian they will are you
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remain a Jew
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however while you remain a loyal Jew
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accept Jesus as your Messiah in view of
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the confusion created by many false
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claims of missionary groups Jews must be
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armed with the facts so to substantiate
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our conviction that everything
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Christians claim for Jesus as the Jewish
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Messiah is false the following few items
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will point out some of the glaring
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discrepancies and inconsistencies in the
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missionaries arguments item 1 the Jewish
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Messiah is to be a human being born
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naturally to a husband and wife he is
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not to be a god or a man born of
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supernatural or virgin birth as the
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Christians claim nowhere in our bible
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does it say that the Messiah would be a
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god or God like the very idea that God
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would take on human form is repulsive to
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Jews because it contradicts our concept
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of God as being above and beyond the
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limitations of the human body and
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situation
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Jews believe that God alone is to be
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worshipped not a being who is his
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creation be he an angel Saint or even
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the Messiah himself nowhere does the
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Bible predict that the Messiah will be
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born to a virgin
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in fact virgins never give birth
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anywhere in the Bible this idea is to be
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found only in pagan mythology to the
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Jewish mind the very idea that God would
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plant a seed and woman is unnecessary
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and unnatural after all what is
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accomplished by this claim what positive
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purpose does it serve the claim that
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Mary did not have natural relations with
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her husband must have made the Jews of
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that time suspect her of wrongdoing the
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New Testament the Christian Bible admits
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as much when it says then Joseph Mary's
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husband being a just man and not willing
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to shame her in public
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decided to divorce her quietly the whole
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idea of a virgin birth serves no purpose
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except to attract pagans to Christianity
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item 2 the Jewish Messiah is expected to
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return the Jews to their land Jesus was
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born while the Jews still lived in their
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land before they had gone into exile he
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could not restore them to the land
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because they were still living in it
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item 3 the true Messiah is to rebuild
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the Temple in Jerusalem but Jesus lived
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while the temple was still standing item
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4 the Jewish Bible says that the Messiah
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will redeem Israel in the case of Jesus
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the very opposite took place not long
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after his death the Holy Temple in
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Jerusalem was destroyed Jerusalem was
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laid to waste and the Jews went into
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exile to begin a 2000 year long night of
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persecution largely at the hands of the
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followers of the self-styled
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Messiah item 5 the prophets in the Bible
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foretold that when the Messiah comes
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all the nations of the world will unite
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to acknowledge and worship the one true
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God the knowledge of God will fill the
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earth the world will be filled with the
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knowledge of God as the waters cover the
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sea Isaiah chapter 11 verse 9 nothing of
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this nature took place following the
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death of Jesus on the contrary
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Islam devolved and became the religion
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of the Arabs and many other nations
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Christianity broke up into many
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conflicting sets which were constantly
5:16
at war with each other and a large part
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of the world continued to worship idols
5:22
even today the world is far from the
5:26
worship of one God item 6 when the true
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Messiah comes his influence will extend
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over all peoples who will worship God at
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the Temple in Jerusalem the Prophet says
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for my house will become the House of
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Prayer for All Nations this has
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obviously not yet taken place and
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therefore the Messiah has not yet come
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item 7 during the time of the Messiah a
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new spirit will rule the world and man
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will cease committing sins and crimes
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this will especially apply to the Jews
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the Torah says that God that will
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circumcise your heart and the heart of
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your children to love God the prophets
6:12
taught and your people are all righteous
6:15
they will inherit the earth forever in
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that day I will seek the sins of Israel
6:23
and there will be none I will give you a
6:26
new heart and a new spirit and you will
6:30
obey my laws and Commandments and do
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them soon after the time of Jesus
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ignorant of God and even ignorant of
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science and philosophy filled the earth
6:43
as the Dark Ages overtook the world item
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8 the true Messiah is to reign as King
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of the Jews
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Jesus's career
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as described in the New Testament lasted
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all of three years at the end of which
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he was crucified by the Romans as a
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common criminal
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he never functioned as anything but a
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wandering preacher and faith healer
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certainly he held no official position
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or exercised any rule of any kind item 9
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during the time of the Messiah prophecy
7:17
will return to the Jewish people and the
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presence of God will dwell amongst us
7:22
and after that I will pour my spirit on
7:26
all of mankind and your sons and
7:28
daughters will prophesy Ezekiel chapter
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37 verse 27 these predictions too are
7:36
yet to be fulfilled item 10 one of the
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Messiah's major tasks is to bring peace
7:44
to the entire world in the time of the
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Messiah there are to be no more wars and
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the manufacturer of arms will cease the
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prophet Isaiah says and they will beat
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their swords into plowshares and their
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spears into pruning hooks nation shall
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not lift up sword against nation neither
8:04
shall they learn war anymore yet
8:08
Christian nations are very warlike and
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wars have been going on almost non-stop
8:12
since the time of Jesus right up to
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including today item 11 the New
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Testament itself claims that the
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prophecies concerning the Messiah were
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to be realized in Jesus's own generation
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the book of Mark clearly says truthfully
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I said to you that this generation shall
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not pass till all these things be done
8:35
in Matthew Jesus is quoted as saying
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that the kingdom of heaven is at hand
8:40
yet
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2,000 years have passed and still
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nothing has been accomplished item 12
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nowhere does the Jewish Bible say that
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the Messiah would come once then be
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killed and return again in a second
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coming
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thousands of years later the idea of a
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second coming is a pure rationalization
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of Jesus's failure
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to function in any way as a messiah or
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to fulfill any of the Messianic
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prophecies of the Torah or the prophets
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the idea of a second coming is purely a
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Christian invention with no foundation
9:19
in the Bible item 13 the Bible says that
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the Messiah will be descended in a
9:28
direct line from King David through
9:31
David's son Solomon
9:33
however if God was Jesus's father is it
9:38
not somewhat ridiculous to claim that he
9:40
had descended from King David on his
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father's side item 14 why do some
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missionaries insist on distorting the
9:50
meaning of the words of the prophets in
9:52
order to substantiate their claims one
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example the Hebrew term in Isaiah Elma
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which means a young woman is
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mistranslated in Christian Bibles as
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virgin many Christian scholars now
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acknowledge that this is a pious fraud
10:13
and now translate the word correctly
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this is but one of many missed
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translations or forced translations item

Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qx9QdCNoqc

They won't hear..

They are all following a Roman invention...

OP, do you actually expect anyone to read all of that there?

Try to make your claims clear so we can go from there.

sonmvayina:

They won't hear..
They are all following a Roman invention...

Who asked you to speak with others about God?

MaxInDHouse:

Who asked you to speak with others about God?

God is my creator..I can speak freely about him

Especially in a public forum like this..

But jesus.....nah, he is a Roman invention. Pronto

sonmvayina:

God is my creator..I can speak freely about him

Everyone else can speak freely about their God whether it's the same concept as yours or not!

MaxInDHouse:

Everyone else can speak freely about their God whether it's the same concept as yours or not!

Exactly...I reverence the creator of heaven and earth...and everything within and without..

How do I start imagining that he impregnated another man's wife to sire a son?

How you manage to do that is the difference between your concept and mine.......
How did anybody/somebody manage to convince you is epic.
I find it insulting and condescending...

sonmvayina:

Exactly...I reverence the creator of heaven and earth...and everything within and without..
How do I start imagining that he impregnated another man's wife to sire a son? How you manage to do that is the subject of this discussion.. I find it insulting and condescending...

You're free to hold onto your opinion just as i'm also free to hold onto my opinion.
So go and discuss with whoever wish to listen to you and i will PREACH and TEACH because my Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus the Son of God commanded me to do so! Matthew 28:18-20

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


You're free to hold onto your opinion just as i'm also free to hold onto my opinion.
So go and discuss with whoever wish to listen to you and i will PREACH and TEACH because my Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus the Son of God commanded me to do so! Matthew 28:18-20

May you have PEACE!

Which kind of people do you preach to?

People like you I guess, because if you meet people like me, you would walk away...I guess.

How do you convince them God impregnated another man's wife? And they just believe ....?

Meeen, pipo sha...

sonmvayina:

Which kind of people do you preach to?
People like you I guess, because if you meet people like me, you would walk away...I guess.
How do you convince them God impregnated another man's wife? And they just believe ....?
Meeen, pipo sha...

Something will lead to another before you can gain the attention of a human like you, it's not just like walking up to someone and start talking about a God impregnate a woman.

Something will surely lead to another that's what you need to figure out first!

MaxInDHouse:


Something will lead to another before you can gain the attention of a human like you, it's not just like walking up to someone and start talking about a God impregnate a woman.

Something will surely lead to another that's what you need to figure out first!

Humour me..

Give me example of how a typical house knocking goes and how it leads to the creator of heaven and earth impregnating another man's wife...


Akpakpu

The Jews says jesus is not the Messiah their God promised them.

So who dafuq is Jesus Christ?

sonmvayina:
The Jews says jesus is not the Messiah their God promised them.

So who dafuq is Jesus Christ?

The Jews are known to be liars and Haters of God such that even where the Messiah Came, it is foreseeable that they would murder Him and say "We are still waiting for the Messiah".

I know you and the op are the same person using 2 monikers.

The Madness signature is there!

Dtruthspeaker:


The Jews are known to be liars and Haters of God such that even where the Messiah Came, it is foreseeable that they would murder Him and say "We are still waiting for the Messiah".

I know you and the op are the same person using 2 monikers.

The Madness signature is there!

Your insanity is epic...

My offer still stands..

I will pay for your treatment...

So quote where their prophet reported that they would murder the Messiah..?

Let's start from there..

sonmvayina:


Your insanity is epic...

Proof of madness!

sonmvayina:

Humour me..
Give me example of how a typical house knocking goes and how it leads to the creator of heaven and earth impregnating another man's wife...
Akpakpu

There's no need going round the circle again after all we've been through this several times and it seems both of us will never ever agree on the matter so no matter what you think i don't care just as you too will never care what i think about the matter.
So go and speak with those that will listen to your opinion while i PREACH and TEACH those that will listen to me.
No wahala!

MaxInDHouse:


There's no need going round the circle again after all we've been through this several times and it seems both of us will never ever agree on the matter so no matter what you think i don't care just as you too will never care what i think about the matter.
So go and speak with those that will listen to your opinion while i PREACH and TEACH those that will listen to me.
No wahala!

What do you teach or preach to people?

Dtruthspeaker:


Proof of madness!

By reading only the old testament,

What is the work of a Messiah?

What is he suppose to accomplish...

Let us put this matter to rest once and for all..

Which kind of Messiah did the Jewish prophet prophesy about?

Give me and tell me how you arrived as jesus being the Messiah..

sonmvayina:

What do you teach or preach to people?

Welcome a free home Bible study from JWs in your neighbourhood, they will come TEACH you what we believe so if you want to help others you must first humbly listen calmly to know everything then you can work out where falsehood lies but hastily arguing blindly due to what your Babylonian Jewish landlord told you won't work.
We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, we always listen attentively no matter what a person believes and speak consolingly to them before we're able to reach their hearts.
That's the secret!

MaxInDHouse:

Welcome a free home Bible study from JWs in your neighbourhood, they will come TEACH you what we believe so if you want to help others you must first humbly listen calmly to know everything then you can work out where falsehood lies but hastily arguing blindly due to what your Babylonian Jewish landlord told you won't work.
We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, we always listen attentively no matter what a person believes and speak consolingly to them before we're able to reach their hearts.
That's the secret!

I had a couple visit last year..A man and his wife I think John was his name. He was Igbo..

When I schooled them, they realised the folly of their blind belief. They never showed up again....I have not seen them even in the kingdom halls....

Something tells me they have embraced their traditional Igbo beliefs....

Because his wife response that day was so encouraging.

I guess one slave has been truly liberated...

sonmvayina:


I had a couple visit last year..A man and his wife I think John was his name. He was Igbo..

When I schooled them, they realised the folly of their blind belief. They never showed up again....I have not seen them even in the kingdom halls....

Something tells me they have embraced their traditional Igbo beliefs....

Because his wife response that day was so encouraging.

I guess one slave has been truly liberated...

MaxInDHouse too must be liberated

Go and worship with them!

sonmvayina:


I had a couple visit last year..A man and his wife I think John was his name. He was Igbo..

When I schooled them, they realised the folly of their blind belief. They never showed up again....I have not seen them even in the kingdom halls....

Something tells me they have embraced their traditional Igbo beliefs....

Because his wife response that day was so encouraging.

I guess one slave has been truly liberated...

guysbewise:

MaxInDHouse too must be liberated

Using two accounts to respond to yourself isn't wise enough so calm down and learn!

MaxInDHouse:
Go and worship with them!

It is not about worship ..

It is about making right choices..

It is our actions that determine if we are righteous or not...it is not our beliefs..

Our beliefs don't define us...only our actions do..

sonmvayina:

It is not about worship ..
It is about making right choices..
It is our actions that determine if we are righteous or not...it is not our beliefs..
Our beliefs don't define us...only our ACTIONS do..

YES!
I'm acting on what i believe you too should go and act on what you believe! James 2:18-26

Enough of the stories!

MaxInDHouse:


YES!
I'm acting on what i believe you too should go and act on what you believe! James 2:18-26

Enough of the stories!

By teaching people idolatry??
Or JW lies?

Teach people about God's divine laws...so they know how to make good choices...

Not stories about God impregnating another man's wife..that is absurd.

sonmvayina:


By teaching people idolatry??
Or JW lies?

Teach people about God's divine laws...so they know how to make good choices...

Not stories about God impregnating another man's wife..that is absurd.

sonmvayina:

I had a couple visit last year..A man and his wife I think John was his name. He was Igbo..

When I schooled them, they realised the folly of their blind belief. They never showed up again....I have not seen them even in the kingdom halls....

Something tells me they have embraced their traditional Igbo beliefs....

Because his wife response that day was so encouraging.

I guess one slave has been truly liberated...

So their TRADITIONAL IGBO BELIEFS is not idolatry from the viewpoint of the Torah shey?

Ọmọ i'm worshiping with my own students so go and worship with your students!

MaxInDHouse:


Using two accounts to respond to yourself isn't wise enough so calm down and learn!

I have made it known before that this is my second account as the bot sometimes does its tricks.

You are the one that needs to learn from myself and sonmvayina about the TRUE GOD of the Old Testament and the TRUE Messiah HE has promised to send and not the FAKE messiah that was invented by the Roman Empire you are using to deceive those that are naive.

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qx9QdCNoqc

You and i don't have anything to learn from each other just practice what you know with your students i'll do exactly the same with my students!

guysbewise:


I have made it known before that this is my second account as the bot sometimes does its tricks.

You are the one that needs to learn from myself and sonmvayina about the TRUE GOD of the Old Testament and the TRUE Messiah HE has promised to send and not the FAKE messiah that was invented by the Roman Empire you are using to deceive those that are naive.