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Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Jarus(m): 5:00pm On Sep 21, 2011
On the employment issue, obviously many southerners were not offered employment in the last ''secret'' recruitment exercise done by the CBN. I know a Snr manager in the CBN and few other staffs, so my facts are straight. Also, if you check CBN website you will notice clearly the movements of staff number in the last few months. First, there was a recent retirement and promotion exercise followed by the recruitment. All these things are there on the CBN website. However, Sanusi's thinking in favouring the North in this recent recruitment is that, according him, the north is not well represented at the CBN in line with the federal character principle. I am yet to ascertain the authenticity of his claim. But if that is the case i wonder if Sanusi is the appropriate person to handle such. Also, according to the CBN policy on recruitment all vacancies are supposed to be published in the dailies, unless on highly technical positions like the CBN governor and the likes. However, the last recruitment where about 400 people were employed was done secretly and on ''i know you'' basis under the watchful and saintly eyes of Sanusi. Is sanusi not aware of CBN recruitment policy, especially such mass employment exercise?

First, the north-dominated recruitment thing is another fabrication like the re-introduction of arabic letter lie.
I have explored the website but did not see the list.
As for the secrecy thing, I don't know what is secret in an employment process that was advertised, well discussed online including on NL here, and even handled by an external consulting firm, Philips Consulting I think.  Perhaps you want CBN to publicize stage-by-stage process of how the whole exercise was going, that is what will make it open. And I don't know any company, including private sector, that does that. Oh, sorry it's Sanusi, CBN must publish each and every stage and people that made it before it is open and transparent!!!

Sure, I cannot rule out some who-you-know in the whole process, but is that not the case in virtually every establishment, especially public sector? To hold SLS responsible for that, when you don't have any concrete proof that he specifically ordered that so so person should be given the job, is most ridiculous.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by chamber2(m): 5:20pm On Sep 21, 2011
Jarus:

First, the north-dominated recruitment thing is another fabrication like the re-introduction of arabic letter lie.
I have explored the website but did not see the list.
As for the secrecy thing, I don't know what is secret in an employment process that was advertised, well discussed online including on NL here, and even handled by an external consulting firm, Philips Consulting I think.  Perhaps you want CBN to publicize stage-by-stage process of how the whole exercise was going, that is what will make it open. And I don't know any company, including private sector, that does that. Oh, sorry it's Sanusi, CBN must publish each and every stage and people that made it before it is open and transparent!!!

Sure, I cannot rule out some who-you-know in the whole process, but is that not the case in virtually every establishment, especially public sector? To hold SLS responsible for that, when you don't have any concrete proof that he specifically ordered that so so person should be given the job, is most ridiculous.

CBN conducted two recruitment exercises this year, one was around january and the other around April. That of Jan was well publicised, however, that of April and the interviews that followed was never advertised. After the interview and the entire selection process, a list of successful candidates were submitted to Sanusi for final approval. This he rejected and subsequently directed that the candidates from the North be given consideration on the note that Northern states were not adequately represented at the CBN. This led to the withdrawal of most southern candidates whose names were previously on the list. Again, don't ask me of the source. For sure these things are not made public, only an insider will have access to such details.

My reference to the CBN website was for the data on CBN staff strength and not the names of shortlisted candidates. if you check you will notice that there is a significant increase in the number of CBN staffs in the last few months. I doubt if CBN will ever publish the names of their staffs online.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Jarus(m): 5:26pm On Sep 21, 2011
^^
And you believe that?
Lie. Pure lies. Like was told of hhim re-introducing arabic on Naira notes.
This is big, fat lies, not even well-crafted. It got to SLS's desk and he ordered it restarted because northerners are not well represented. Aahhh, that brazen!

It is a lie, big lie. Dont ask me too for the source that confirms it's a lie.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by chamber2(m): 5:57pm On Sep 21, 2011
off topic

Jarus

I tried sending you PM but couldn't, maybe i seem not to know how to do that. My apologies for that post. I didn't release such pictures are not allowed. It actually happened and those were the pictures of the suspects. My apologies pls.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by okunoba(m): 6:15pm On Sep 21, 2011
On Sanusi`s  religious mind set, I think that is even more scary. The belief system in Islam is totalitarian and without compromise  unlike the other religions you mentioned. The ifa priest or pastor doesn`t believe the law of his religion should be the law of the land. His religion is between him and his god. But a good Muslim and scholar wants the law of Islam to rule over the World because that is what God(Mohammad) commanded. This mind set is what makes it very dangerous to have someone like him, a good Muslim and scholar as a national leader in a heterogeneous society like Nigeria, because at the end of the day his religious belief is supreme and above the law of the land.

The Ifa priest also believe that if you make human sacrifice you will get rich, but he will not fight for it to be the law of the land but the Muslim believes in chopping up peoples hands for stealing and wants to make it the law of the land. He doesn`t want or believe in secularism because its against Muslim teachings. He can`think outside the box.

Why have you side stepped what I wrote about Sanusi`s lack of interest in Educating the Almajiris but more interested in giving them sharia and the Quran, tools that leaves them ill equipped to contribute positively in a modern World. Who is going to fight for these voiceless oppressed youth.

We need someone like the great Ataturk to rule Nigeria.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by PointB: 6:31pm On Sep 21, 2011
Judging from what I read on this page, Sanusi has gradually morphed into a divisive and hate figure. Such blatant bigot should not be a CBN governor, let alone aspiring for presidency. But then, we live in a crazy world, where the most obvious inanity is celebrated.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Jarus(m): 6:33pm On Sep 21, 2011
chamber2:

off topic

Jarus

I tried sending you PM but couldn't, maybe i seem not to know how to do that. My apologies for that post. I didn't release such pictures are not allowed. It actually happened and those were the pictures of the suspects. My apologies pls.

No problems. 0nly Mods can PM. We do send PM from time to time to warn, and for recalcitrant people, ban.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by niyooo(m): 9:19pm On Sep 21, 2011
@ Jarus, this is going to be my last post on this. Because you've blocked your mind and have a fanatical view about your Sanusi. You said you are that close to him, so do you expect him to tell you that yes, he recruited employees based on tribe? I've told you I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. All that s.hit about northeners being marginalized is just that  BULLS.H.I.T. Northerners were never marginalized during recruitment process in the CBN.  Get your facts straight please. The information cannot be gotten from the CBN website. You have to ask a neutral insider and not one that is close to Sanusi. If northerners were marginalized, how come that more than 70% of those recruited were from Kano? so much so that other northern states were even complaining? When Federal Character people made noise, he employed their candidates to shut them up, he employed Senators children to shut them up. Jarus I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'm no longer posting anything on this story cos it doesn't even matter, the guy can never preside over Nigeria, he's just waiting to be the Emir of Kano anyway.
The man did not get to be MD of first bank based on merit, it was the Elder Muttalab that manipulated him to get there by giving him rapid promotion in order to get someone to represent the "northern" interest in First bank.
Also on the Islamic banking thing, as the Chief Regulator (which makes him the umpire in this case), should he be the one championing the Islamic banking thing? Should it not be the people that want to float the bank that should champion it? Sanusi is the one that caused the whole brouhaha over the thing by being at the fore-front of championing it, but of course he has to because that is what his benefactor Mutallab wants. In case you didn't know, he's on the Board of the Jaiz bank, I think he's even the chairman (MutallabI mean).

You are also trying to defend a Sanusi that says promotion in the CBN will be on quota system? Is that how to encourage merit? If you recruit on quota system, does that mean merit should also be discountenanced on the job in rewarding/motivating empoyees?

Also, when you say there was a CBN advert, I begin to wonder, did you see the advert? For graduate officers? Or did you hear from someone that it was advertised? Because I KNOW THERE WAS NO SUCH ADVERT ASKING QUALIFIED GRADUATES TO APPLY but the CBN has recruited close to a thousand if not more, graduate officers in just two years in the mallams tenure.

C'mon Jarus, you are too intelligent not to know there are always two sides to every story, so why would you not want to even consider that you know nothing about the other side to this story?
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Jarus(m): 9:33pm On Sep 21, 2011
I stand by all my arguments. Sanusi did not and cannot say recruitment/promotion should be tribe-based. To say 70% of those CBN recruited is from Kano is most laughable, just as the lie made up against him that he had re-introduced arabic lettering on Naira notes. They are all lies fabricated by mischief-makers.

Oba Otudeko and not Muttallab has the highest share in FBN and he is the behind-the-scene man in FBN. He is a Yoruba man.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Nobody: 10:32pm On Sep 21, 2011
Jarus:

I stand by all my arguments. [b]Sanusi did not and cannot say recruitment/promotion should be tribe-based. To say 70% of those CBN recruited is from Kano is most laughable, just as the lie made up against him that he had re-introduced arabic lettering on Naira notes. [/b]They are all lies fabricated by mischief-makers.

Oba Otudeko and not Muttallab has the highest share in FBN and he is the behind-the-scene man in FBN. He is a Yoruba man.
Have you carried out any research on that!? You see most of your evidences are based on what you think.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by niyooo(m): 10:43pm On Sep 21, 2011
I stand by all my arguments. Sanusi did not and cannot say recruitment/promotion should be tribe-based. To say 70% of those CBN recruited is from Kano is most laughable, just as the lie made up against him that he had re-introduced arabic lettering on Naira notes. They are all lies fabricated by mischief-makers.

Oba Otudeko and not Muttallab has the highest share in FBN and he is the behind-the-scene man in FBN. He is a Yoruba man.


I wonder why I'm back here,  Don't really know but I'll reply you though,maybe I've just got some spare time on my hands this night. Yes Sanusi did say promotion will be based on Federal character principle, of course you wont see any documentation to this effect. Yes majority of the recruitment done so far in Sanusi's tenure is of Northerners. Of those northerners, 70% are from Kano making even  other northern state employees to grumble also.

I never said anything about re-introduction of arabic letters, neither did I say Mutallab was the largest shareholder in FBN. Get off your a.r.s.e and do your research rather than arguing based on you think. Go and check the way Sanusi rose in FBN hierarchy. Ask questions from people in the CBN and FBN and stop arguing based on emotions or what you think. Argue with facts as the last poster advised you. I believe you are not that mentally lazy to do a little research.

I know what I'm talking about. My own no be say dem say dem say.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Jarus(m): 7:39am On Sep 22, 2011
Who is arguing on 'dem say dem say'?

I dont argue on sentiments. I speak with right people in right places. From UBA to FBN, to CBN, and other insiders in the industry. Outside that, I get facts facts directly from top investigative journalists and editors, things you wont even read in papers. So count me out of someone arguing on conjectures.

I maintain the allegation of recruitment nepotism is a lie, big fat lie.

Anyway, as a Nigerian, I know when people lose out in employment exercise, they always attribute their misfortune to somebody. So I'm not surprised here.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Akanbiedu(m): 8:24am On Sep 22, 2011
Going around in circles. You can't change the devil.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by niyooo(m): 8:33am On Sep 22, 2011
Who is arguing on 'dem say dem say'?

I dont argue on sentiments. I speak with right people in right places. From UBA to FBN, to CBN, and other insiders in the industry. Outside that, I get facts facts directly from top investigative journalists and editors, things you wont even read in papers. So count me out of someone arguing on conjectures.

I maintain the allegation of recruitment nepotism is a lie, big fat lie.

Anyway, as a Nigerian, I know when people lose out in employment exercise, they always attribute their misfortune to somebody. So I'm not surprised here.

Mr "I speak with the right people in the right places", you are yarning dust abeg. Earlier you claimed the
CBn advert was advertised and even discussed on Nairaland. I challenge you to quote the newspapers where it was advertised and the thread where it was discussed on Nairaland. The only discussion on Nairaland was the one done by the people that passed the back door. Check other organisation's discussion on Nairaland, you'll see the thread will begin with the advert by the organisation and not people asking about the pay and all that.

Jarus stop yarning dust abeg. And there I was thinking you had something up there. It's sad and annoying really.  angry

You dey talk to people in right places. I dey tell you based on what I KNOW. Abegi make i hear word.

Do i sound like I'm looking for employment to have lost out? mtscheeew.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by PointB: 9:12am On Sep 22, 2011
niyooo:

Mr "I speak with the right people in the right places", you are yarning dust abeg. Earlier you claimed the
CBn advert was advertised and even discussed on Nairaland. I challenge you to quote the newspapers where it was advertised and the thread where it was discussed on Nairaland. The only discussion on Nairaland was the one done by the people that passed the back door. Check other organisation's discussion on Nairaland, you'll see the thread will begin with the advert by the organisation and not people asking about the pay and all that.

Jarus stop yarning dust abeg. And there I was thinking you had something up there. It's sad and annoying really.  angry

You dey talk to people in right places. I dey tell you based on what I KNOW. Abegi make i hear word.

Do i sound like I'm looking for employment to have lost out? mtscheeew.

Perhaps he wants you to state your full names and the department of CBN you work in, so that you could be invited by SLS to provide more information. grin grin
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by auwal87(m): 9:47am On Sep 22, 2011
Someone even said he rather vote IBB than Sanusi, it shows how some people hate anything good from North, and laugh anything evil from North, SMH
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by auwal87(m): 9:54am On Sep 22, 2011
niyooo:

Mr "I speak with the right people in the right places", you are yarning dust abeg. Earlier you claimed the
CBn advert was advertised and even discussed on Nairaland. I challenge you to quote the newspapers where it was advertised and the thread where it was discussed on Nairaland. The only discussion on Nairaland was the one done by the people that passed the back door. Check other organisation's discussion on Nairaland, you'll see the thread will begin with the advert by the organisation and not people asking about the pay and all that.

Jarus stop yarning dust abeg. And there I was thinking you had something up there. It's sad and annoying really.  angry

You dey talk to people in right places. I dey tell you based on what I KNOW. Abegi make i hear word.

Do i sound like I'm looking for employment to have lost out? mtscheeew.

Were you looking for this https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-37854.0.html ??
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Jarus(m): 10:04am On Sep 22, 2011
auwal87:

Were you looking for this https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-37854.0.html ??
That was actually 2007 or so.

PointB:

Perhaps he wants you to state your full names and the department of CBN you work in, so that you could be invited by SLS to provide more information. grin grin
He can't tell me he works in CBN. Even if he does, that doesnt change the fact he can make up things against Sanusi.

After all, even I can claim I work in CBN online and counter all he says. Isn't it that easy.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by niyooo(m): 10:46am On Sep 22, 2011
As for the secrecy thing, I don't know what is secret in an employment process that was advertised, well discussed online including on NL here, and even handled by an external consulting firm, Philips Consulting I think.


Jarus, stop clinging to straws. I say make you post where CBN advertise, you never do am. Yet you want people to believe you know what you are saying? Mtsceeeew.

See the way you post the above as if say you dey tok fact. Yet now you can't produce a single shred of evidence. A wise man knows when to keep quiet. If you can't substantiate your claims then keep quiet. angry
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by alienvirus: 11:12am On Sep 22, 2011
Some pple are naturally deluded. U can't do anything about them. They create and spread mischief. This is just the beginning for Nigeria. We ain't serious yet. Someone who is transparent, truthful, no-nonsense is nigerians enemy so far he is a muslim and comes from the north. As I said earlier, this is the beginning of your problems. When u are ready to change, let the whole world know.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by PointB: 11:20am On Sep 22, 2011
niyooo:



Jarus, stop clinging to straws. I say make you post where CBN advertise, you never do am. Yet you want people to believe you know what you are saying? Mtsceeeew.

See the way you post the above as if say you dey tok fact. Yet now you can't produce a single shred of evidence. A wise man knows when to keep quiet. If you can't substantiate your claims then keep quiet. angry

Clinging on straw is a fair debating strategy. It means there is hope. Either you slip up, or an opportunity for escape might present itself. So over to you to substantiate your 'facts' further. No that I doubt you though. The problem is that nepotism is hardly documented, unlike his (Sanusi) bigotry.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by okunoba(m): 2:45pm On Sep 22, 2011
@Alienvirus, have u heard the saying one man`s meat is another man`s poison, sharia is haram to most southerners and non muslim Nigerians, but its halal to Sanusi. Most of us in the South want a secular state, he wants a religious one. We do not blindly support someone because he profess to speak the truth or claim to be transparent. Neither do we care about no-nonsense policy, what we want is a rational and thoughtful person who is not dominated by religious dogma and value its laws above that of the land. Islam and sharia is not the change we want or need and that is the only change the man is able to offer Nigeria.

Millions of Northern kids are denied basic education and training. What as Sanusi done to change the situation of these voice less kids, who end up being uneducated, unskilled and unable to contribute to society, other than being used as religious/ethnic thugs to further the ambitions of these so call elites. All he does is write articles fighting for Islam and sharia, but cares less for these poor souls. Any leader from the North that doesn`t fight for the right of the Almajiris to be educated and freed from religious indoctrination is not fit to rule Nigeria.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Jarus(m): 3:02pm On Sep 22, 2011
Okunoba, I can see that your problem with Sanusi is that he writes articles on his religion. Perhaps, you want him to denounce his religion before he is fit to be a public officer.

In any case, here is an article he wrote in defence of a Christian cleric, criticizing not only his Muslim brothers, but also hitting at northern elites

In Defence of Reverend Father Kukah
By

Sanusi Lamido Sanusi

Lamidos@Hotmail.Com

LAGOS, MARCH 8, 2005





I am deeply concerned by two recent articles written by my friends and brothers, Garba Deen Muhammad and Kabiru Yusuf in the Trust newspapers, criticizing Reverend father Mathew Hasan Kukah for his recent criticism of those who questioned his appointment as secretary to the National Political Reform Conference (NPRC) in view of his religious affiliation. Deen’s paper was entitled “The Manipulation of Religion” and appeared on the back page of the Weekly Trust on Saturday, March 5, 2005, and Kabiru’s piece, entitled “The Kukah I didn’t know” appeared almost immediately thereafter on the back page of the Daily Trust of Monday, March 7, 2005. An urgent Muslim intervention is required before the debate becomes one between Muslims and Christians.



Both Kabiru and Deen are gentlemen for whose views I hold the greatest respect. More important, they are highly respected journalists whose views are influential particularly among those who have become the principal constituency of the Trust stable, Muslim northerners. Neither of them is, by any definition, an ethnic bigot or religious propagandist. However, the two articles above risk falling into the trap of serving reactionary northern elitist interests, bent on appropriating religion as an obstacle in the way of any meaningful progress towards constituting a true national consciousness. Moreover, each of the two articles under discussion, beneath the veneer of common sense, contains logical leaps, unfair deductions and dangerous conclusions, none of which serves the best interests of the nation, or even any particular constituency however defined.



Let me begin by admitting that I do not know father Kukah as well as Kabiru does, and  certainly never had the opportunity to visit with him in his rooms at the catholic secretariat or elsewhere. I have also never attended a church service at which he officiated so I do not even know if he is a competent priest and theologian. I have met him on a few occasions and have had brief discussions with him, but what I know of him comes from my reading of his articles, presentations, and one book based on his Ph D thesis at SOAS. In other words, I know Mathew Kukah not as a Christian, or a priest, or a theologian (although he is all of those), but as a Nigerian intellectual who writes on matters of national importance and who has shown a deep and sincere commitment to addressing the problems of developing nations.



I do not necessarily agree with everything Kukah writes or says. I also do not believe that Kukah, or any social scientist, can be completely neutral or objective in his interventions in social discourse. The man is an intellectual engaged in knowledge production in a specific social and historical context in which he is implicated. That implication comes with a consciousness of a real or imagined adversity suffered by northern Christians at the hands of northern Muslims in Nigerian political history, and a commitment to address that adversity and alleviate it. I may not agree with him on his perceptions of the nature and true extent of this supposed adversity, but I do not necessarily link his views as an intellectual to his calling as a priest or his choice of the Christian religion. I have been, to give a personal example, perhaps more critical of the northern Nigerian Muslim elite than Father Kukah, even though I am Muslim (although admittedly, a leading Wahhabi scholar in Kano, Ja’far Adam, literally questioned my Islamic credentials in a radio program during the last Ramadhan). I agree with most of what northern Christians have to say about the northern Muslim elite. I only differ with them on two fundamental points. First I believe that not only northern Christians, but-and perhaps more so-, the northern Muslim poor, have been visited with adversity by the northern elite. Second, many of the Christian elite at the forefront of the attack on Muslims are no better than those they criticize. But I digress.



The point I make is that Father Kukah is a northern Nigerian Christian priest, but he is also an intellectual who is appointed to a position on personal merit. As a liberation theologian, he finds in his religion resources to oppose instances of injustice and, unlike many “men of God” on both sides of the religious divide in the north, restricted his public utterances to social and political issues, as opposed to attacking other faiths. To this extent, Kukah is perfectly within his rights to consider as irresponsible the attempt to ignore completely his role as an intellectual and focus on his private choice of religion and profession. He is also perfectly within his right to point out that there are people for whom religion is a business and they will always find something to say in these matters. I remember some months ago a discussion with a Christian friend on the decision by President Obasanjo, a Christian, to suspend Joshua Dariye and declare a state of emergency in Plateau state during the crisis that engulfed that state. I remarked that, had Obasanjo taken that step in a Muslim state like Kano or Zamfara, all hell would have broken loose as Muslims, who were commending him over his action in Plateau, would have come out with conspiracy theories to show how this was all a grand design to wage war on “Islam” or “Muslims” or the “Shari’ah”. What I was not prepared for was the response I received. My friend said Obasanjo was a “stooge” of the Muslims and that he was “acting out a script” written by the Caliphate in Sokoto. OBJ, this friend continued, was not really a good Christian and he was victimizing a Christian to please his “Muslim paymasters.” This is the level to which Nigerians, Christians and Muslims alike, have allowed themselves to be dragged, a level at which all issues disappear and everything is seen through the prism of the constant process of construction of identities and manufacture of difference. The concern I have is that this process, long associated with scholars steeped in mediaeval political literature, has sucked in progressive intellectuals who should know better. Now what are the issues, and where did Kabiru and Deen go wrong, in my view?



First, an issue that should be central to any argument of this nature was not addressed, not even tangentially, by either writer. What are the functions of the chairman and secretary of this so-called NPRC and in what way can they determine the outcome of the dialogue and impose their view on the participants and the rest of the nation? If the conference is hijacked by vested interests, are the Muslim participants under any compulsion to hold their peace, to passively acquiesce to the subversion of the interest or their constituency? In any event, for a conference whose legality is doubtful and which is yet to receive the backing of the federal legislature, not to talk of the general skepticism with which it is viewed by most Nigerians, what is the significance of its conclusions and in which way can they undermine Nigerian Muslims? Finally, in the event that Kukah may have an influence on the outcome of the conference, who says he will exert that influence in the name of his religion? Why not in the interest of the North, or the country, or a radical political ideology? And if religion is what Kukah seeks to promote, is he going there as a representative of Christianity as a whole or of Catholicism? What is the basis, from his work, his writing and his actions, for drawing these conclusions? They were reached through a series of logical leaps with little effort at substantiation.



Second, underlying the criticism of Kukah is a presumption that there is something legitimate about the concerns expressed in some quarters on the lop-sidedness of the conference. This in turn assumes that there is something like a “Christian” or “Muslim” position in a national conference about to be hijacked by bigots and converted into a confrontation between two religions. Are the Muslims at this conference representing an “Islamic” position? Who defines it and on whose authority? How do we know that those who are at the conference are not there to serve an agenda driven by the interests of their sponsors and totally unrelated to the people of this country, as a whole, or their ethnic and religious “constituencies” in particular?



The myth that there is anyone speaking for popular Muslims or Christians at a conference is, at least philosophically speaking, highly problematic. The discourse of religion is never monotonous. There are so many conflicting issues within a single religion, issues growing out of say, ethnic and class interests, questions of gender and the limits of personal liberty, the relationship between religion and state etc. that the only way to approach this discourse is by displaying a certain simultaneous, contrapuntal sensibility to the various (sometimes harmonious, often discordant) notes of its polyphony. To pretend that a group of Muslims-irrespective of who, or how the group came into constitution- speaks with a single voice for an undefined Muslim interest under threat from an equally undefined non-Muslim one, is to fall into the trap of complicity with the opportunistic purveyors of superficial panaceas for deep-seated socio-economic and political maladies. The duty of the intellectual is to warn and advise against such characters, not defend and support them. This is what makes the position taken by my two friends a source of concern.



I must stress at this point, that both Kabiru and Deen engaged Kukah with the utmost respect, and criticized him without the use of aggressive vocabulary. However, I must take up issue with a few specific arguments, to underscore the main thrust of this intervention. Take for example, Garba Deen’s surprise at Kukah’s expression of “rather strong opinions on matters over which he has little or no knowledge.” The matter in question is the comment made by Kukah that “if you go to Saudi Arabia they will mess you up as a Muslim”. Garba Deen’s only evidence that Kukah is ignorant of events in Saudi Arabia is that if “Kukah had ever been to Saudi Arabia, it couldn’t have been as a Muslim.” This is what philosophers call a “genealogical fallacy”, the refutation of an argument not based on its truth but on who its advocate is. Kukah, because he is a Christian (and, one may add, a man in a cassock!) simply cannot know about what happens in Saudi Arabia! Moreover, if he makes a comment as to what happens there he is speaking out of ignorance. I am a Muslim, and I bear witness that Kukah is correct that many Muslims do receive humiliating treatment at the hands of Saudi Authorities, and that for many non-Arab and non-white Muslims, the only reason they will not stop going to Saudi Arabia is because of the Kaaba Mecca and the Prophet’s mosque and tomb in Madinah. Many people have had personal experiences of humiliation in so-called Muslim countries, with Saudi Arabia being a leading example, by virtue of the colour of their skin or their nationality. Most sincere Muslims who have traveled or lived in Saudi Arabia will openly acknowledge it, so it is an open secret even to those who have never been there. Deen does not deny this, but he argues, in effect, that Kukah cannot know it since he is Christian and thus cannot claim knowledge of how Muslims are treated there!



Similar examples of unfair arguments can be drawn from Kabiru’s piece. Kabiru discusses “complaints” to the effect that there is “an unwritten rule of our coexistence (not) to appoint two Christians (one of them a reverend father to boot) as chairman and secretary of the conference”, and then proceeds with arguments showing he finds this position reasonable. When did this unwritten rule ever exist, one wonders? This country has had its highest offices held by Christians and by Muslims in the past. Garba Deen has pointed out that General Gowon and his second-in-command, Rear Admiral Wey, were two Christians at the helm of affairs for nine years. Generals Buhari and Idiagbon were both Muslims and ruled Nigeria for about two years. In 1993, the Social Democratic Party sponsored two Muslims, Chief Abiola and Ambassador Kingibe for the presidency and Nigerians voted for them. So why are Muslims crying because of some silly committee without executive powers and whose report cannot be binding on anyone? Kukah is absolutely correct. It is irresponsible.



A second instance is the discussion of Kukah’s views on PRONACO. At the end of his discussion, Kabiru says “it is certain that if Datti Ahmed, AbdulKarim Dayyabu, AbdulKadir Balarabe Musa and other northern rejecters of the conference had decided to hold a parallel meeting in Kaduna and Kano, neither the government nor probably Kukah would have been so sanguine about it.” In making this averment, Kabiru does not adduce a single piece of evidence in the form of an instance in which Kukah took a position against such a group. Maybe he is aware from his intimate knowledge of the man and his views but he did not give his readers that information. There are more examples but these suffice.



Let me conclude. Reverend father Kukah is perfectly competent to defend himself against criticism and does not need any one to help him. Also, I have no doubt in my mind that many Muslims, particularly northerners, agree fully with Kabiru and Deen and their criticism of Kukah. However, it is important to say that many Muslim Northerners, the present writer included, do not care about the religious identity of  competent Nigerians appointed to any office whatsoever, so long as they consider their constituency to be the whole nation in the conduct of their official functions. We owe it to ourselves, and to this country, to announce our faith in one Nigeria, a nation in which we can be Muslims without being enemies to fellow nationals. We have had decades of Muslim leadership that brought no benefit to Muslims and the false promises and fears that are raised to deceive Nigerian need to be exposed. For me, Father Kukah as a person is neither here nor there, but the principle counts, and the principle must be defended. That principle is one that stresses the plurality and multi-vocality of the discourse in the “Muslim North”, and resists the attempt to manufacture sectional/religious identities that undermine the unity of the nation. This view is one that, I am sure, I share with Kabiru and Garba Deen, but I believe that, in fighting the “northern Muslim corner” and criticizing Father Kukah, they risk giving credibility to the crass opportunism of the northern elite.



In the final analysis, and for the avoidance of doubt, I do not believe this conference has any meaning or use, and I predict that it will be a political jamboree at which alliances are formed to promote some selfish political agendas. Let us focus on what they are saying and doing, and forget their personal choices in matters of faith. In any event, it promises to provide the nation with some hilarious entertainment.

















SANUSI LAMIDO SANUSI

LAGOS, MARCH 8, 2005
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by hercules07: 3:09pm On Sep 22, 2011
Jarus do not mind these people, they are blinded by their hatred for the guy, let them continue their fresh air from GEJ, please stop disturbing yourself, when it is time, Nigerians will rise up for honest people, as it is now, the ones arguing with you will rather a thief rules that a honest man.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by Jarus(m): 3:26pm On Sep 22, 2011
hercules07:

Jarus do not mind these people, they are blinded by their hatred for the guy, let them continue their fresh air from GEJ, please stop disturbing yourself, when it is time, Nigerians will rise up for honest people, as it is now, the ones arguing with you will rather a thief rules that a honest man.
The situation is indeed very pathetic. After exerting chunks of energy to argue on this issue 2009/2010, I decided to ignore them but I find it very disgusting when people, either out of ignorance or sentiments or both, decided to give a honest, sincere leader a bad name. I just can't stand it, even though they are better ignored.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by hercules07: 3:45pm On Sep 22, 2011
@Jarus

You are even trying, me I am at the siddon look level now, I know Sanusi is a good man, my friends and family do too, I do not need to convince anybody on the internet.
Re: Sanusi For President In 2015? by okunoba(m): 6:41pm On Sep 22, 2011
I refuse to support Sanusi based on his views and idealogy, it`s got nothing to do with being blind. If anyone is blind, its you that support him because of his ethnicity and religion. I have nothing against Fashola even though he`s a Muslim but a secular one, unlike Sanusi who is a fundamentalist. I do not like extremist and believe strongly in the separation of state and religion.

I do not want Nigeria to be ruled by a right wing christian scholar why should I then want to be ruled by the Muslim equivalent.  Nigeria needs a secular leader and Sanusi as made it clear is not for that.

You guys keep on evading the issue, why as Sanusi not done or said anything about the plight of the poor voiceless almajarii kids who roam the streets begging for food while being force fed the Quran but denied proper education? Who will fight for these abused kids, not you or Sanusi obviously, who care only about your share of the Ooil money.
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