ruffhandu:


Hahahahaha. One of the funniest posts I've seen. You know, I could say the same of you. Been expecting to receive an insult from you, or call me IPOB, or say one denigrating words or the other, but Mba.

But this is how it should be, irrespective of tribe, religion or political affiliations. All we need is a good Nigeria where the ordinary man will not be second class. may of of us have run away from the country to be second class citizens elsewhere because it seems better to them than being worse in their homeland. God bless you bro.

I appreciate that. At the end of the way we all want a good Nigeria that we can all go back to irrespective of tribe or ideology.

Just an fyi, I don’t even support all 3 front runner… Tinubu, Atiku and Obi but since Tinubu won it’s all good. Best we can do is support him at this point and hopefully make the best out of him.

My preferred candidate did not even make it to first 5 lol

A foreigner can not rule this country

Antimandatethie:


https://dailypost.ng/2023/04/21/tinubu-guinean-citizen-atikus-camp-alleges-how-govt-implicated-him/

PDP should stop fooling themselves....they are not working for any Guinean authority and can not dictate for them...
There was a categorical statement that Tinubu is not a Guinean ...and for more interpretation....about this...The Guinean government is the only authority that can clarify this not PDP...

The English are so clear...Tinubu is not a Guinean citizen.....period...

Supposing he was attested to as a bonafide citizen of Guinean...this could have been a big issue...but he is not....the Guinean government or immigration authority is the only authority that can interpret to the court ...and thank God nah Aboki be our Guinean Ambassador ...no be nzogbu person....

biaframaster200:



PDP should stop fooling themselves....they are not working for any Guinean authority and can not dictate for them...
There was a categorical statement that Tinubu is not a Guinean ...and for more interpretation....about this...The Guinean government is the only authority that can clarify this not PDP...

The English are so clear...Tinubu is not a Guinean citizen.....period...

Supposing he was attested to as a bonafide citizen of Guinean...this could have been a big issue...but he is not....the Guinean government or immigration authority is the only authority that can interpret to the court ...and thank God nah Aboki be our Guinean Ambassador ...no be nzogbu person....

But Oga in that said passport, under the column, Nationality, it was Guineen (Guinean) which was written there. How would you defend that?

sunboy:

I appreciate that. At the end of the way we all want a good Nigeria that we can all go back to irrespective of tribe or ideology.
Just an fyi, I don’t even support all 3 front runner… Tinubu, Atiku and Obi but since Tinubu won it’s all good. Best we can do is support him at this point and hopefully make the best out of him.
My preferred candidate did not even make it to first 5 lol

Honestly, I do not think Tinubu will make Nigeria any good, instead worse. If Obi was not at the polls, and Osinbajo was there, I'll stick my neck out for Osinbajo.
If we keep turning blind eye to all these things happening in Nigeria, then the politicians will keep succeeding. They believe: 'Do whatever you can to be declared winner, thereafter, forget it'. that was exactly what played out in the Binani case. So by the time you go to court, they have a way of dragging the case to 3-4 years when the tenure is almost over so as to discourage you - check history. I believe they should be accelerating the hearing to end before swearing-in, I believe we should sort this out now, it's a virus, a political pandemic. When you leave the shores of Nigeria then you see what I mean. This Nigeria is not what we should bequeath to our descendants.

ruffhandu:


Honestly, I do not think Tinubu will make Nigeria any good, instead worse. If Obi was not at the polls, and Osinbajo was there, I'll stick my neck out for Osinbajo.
If we keep turning blind eye to all these things happening in Nigeria, then the politicians will keep succeeding. They believe: 'Do whatever you can to be declared winner, thereafter, forget it'. that was exactly what played out in the Binani case. So by the time you go to court, they have a way of dragging the case to 3-4 years when the tenure is almost over so as to discourage you - check history. I believe they should be accelerating the hearing to end before swearing-in, I believe we should sort this out now, it's a virus, a political pandemic. When you leave the shores of Nigeria then you see what I mean. This Nigeria is not what we should bequeath to our descendants.

If I would play the devil’s advocate here… Tinubu will turn Nigeria around I have no iota of doubt about that but I am more worried about his health.

sunboy:


If I would play the devil’s advocate here… Tinubu will turn Nigeria around I have no iota of doubt about that but I am more worried about his health.

Good, i like the debate.
1. Can you point out how you feel he will achieve that, with all the wolves around him.
2. Do you also feel buhari did a good job (this one na side question)?

tungamaje:

But Oga in that said passport, under the column, Nationality, it was Guineen (Guinean) which was written there. How would you defend that?

Why worry about a property that isn't yours...

Guinean authority gave you the passport and bola tinubu owns the passport...

Just as it takes the Nigeria Immigration Service and the Ministry of Interior to clarify issues about Nigerian passports so also it will take on the Guinea authority to clarify for us if Bola Tinubu is a bonafide citizen of Guinea or not...when the time comes....they will issue a press statement.....

ruffhandu:

Good, i like the debate.
1. Can you point out how you feel he will achieve that, with all the wolves around him.
2. Do you also feel buhari did a good job (this one na side question)?

1. Tinubu’s contribution to Lagos development can never be rivaled anywhere else in the country. His contribution is in the class of Lateef Jakande and the Awolowos. The invincible wolves? If they exist, I don’t see them affecting his performance, he always have a good eye to spot performers like him. Again, only his health is my concern that might affect his performance.

2. Buhari only did well in infrastructure. Outside of that, everything else is trash. Which mostly explains Tinubu’s reluctancy to support his second term it’s like … this is not the promise we made to Nigerians kind of vibe.

sunboy:


1. Tinubu’s contribution to Lagos development can never be rivaled anywhere else in the country. His contribution is in the class of Lateef Jakande and the Awolowos. The invincible wolves? If they exist, I don’t see them affecting his performance, he always have a good eye to spot performers like him. Again, only his age can’t affect his performance.

2. Buhari only did well in infrastructure. Outside of that, everything else is trash. Which mostly explains Tinubu’s reluctancy to support his second term it’s like … this is not the promise we made to Nigerians kind of vibe.

Great points. but don't you think the two politicians you mentioned did way greater things considering the amount of resources at their disposals in comparison. Also, I think they already placed Lagos on a trajectory that will make it obvious if any subsequent governor fails to deliver.
Now, compare those other two leaders to Tinubu and tell me what you think about their characters. Again, what do you posit as regards Alpha beta, and all the private property and wealth acquisition as a result of conversion of state resources using political powers.
Finally, would you, considering all you know about Tinubu, employ him to be the general manager of your private company- please eschew sentiments, I know you've been objective so far.

ruffhandu:


Great points. but don't you think the two politicians you mentioned did way greater things considering the amount of resources at their disposals in comparison. Also, I think they already placed Lagos on a trajectory that will make it obvious if any subsequent governor fails to deliver.
Now, compare those other two leaders to Tinubu and tell me what you think about their characters. Again, what do you posit as regards Alpha beta, and all the private property and wealth acquisition as a result of conversion of state resources using political powers.
Finally, would you, considering all you know about Tinubu, employ him to be the general manager of your private company- please eschew sentiments, I know you've been objective so far.

Okay you’re getting sentimental and politics don’t work like that.

1. Jakande contributed immensely to Lagos development so does Tinubu, it will be a disrespect to underscore his contributions as Lagos state govt. Forget trajectory, Lagos was in the same of PH and some other oil producing states. Those states cannot come close to Lagos in terms of development now. Tinubu widen the tax bracket which ushered in the resources that you’re talking about now. Many governors would still fail even if you laid down all the plans for them cos majority are out there to recoup their investment, if it was that easy, all oil producing states should be like Dubai by now considering their income to population ratio. Tinubu improved on Jakande’s plan that’s no secret.

2. Speaking of Alpha beta, now you want to get down to morals. Nobody is holy amongst all Nigerian politicians in this regards. It has always been padi padi unless you want to pretend like you don’t know. Just like Tinubu having his legitimate accounting firm consult for Lagos state, Obi had invested Anambras state funds in his family business, also Atiku has used in influence as a former NPA boss to expand his business Intels progress. Now tell me why Tinubu’s case becomes a problem now and others are not.
Tinubu’s situation ushered a money generating channel for the govt, State government in the US use private firms to manage and collect their taxes too on behalf of the state, if Lagos state business stays within Nigeria I don’t have a problem with that as long as job is well done.

This is the single reason why I do not support any of the 3 folks, they are exactly the same in terms of morals but none of them come close to Tinubu in achievements as a governor.

3. If I would hire Tinubu as a manager, if those 3 were the ONLY candidates I’d definitely hire a Tinubu instead of Atiku or Obi. But in the case of 2023 election, we have over 16 candidates yet NIgerians choose just those 3 which I found very annoying, but it’s all good. Those 3 are all desperate don’t be deceived, infact Obi is the most desperate judging how he used religious and ethnic lines that has been a fainted line in our country, he got there and unleashed the old wound.

Again, my only problem in my opinion with Tinubu is his health… that’s why I never supported his candidacy. Now that election is over, I’d gladly support him.

sunboy:


Okay you’re getting sentimental and politics don’t work like that.

1. Jakande contributed immensely to Lagos development so does Tinubu, it will be a disrespect to underscore his contributions as Lagos state govt. Forget trajectory, Lagos was in the same of PH and some other oil producing states. Those states cannot come close to Lagos in terms of development now. Tinubu widen the tax bracket which ushered in the resources that you’re talking about now. Many governors would still fail even if you laid down all the plans for them cos majority are out there to recoup their investment, if it was that easy, all oil producing states should be like Dubai by now considering their income to population ratio. Tinubu improved on Jakande’s plan that’s no secret.

2. Speaking of Alpha beta, now you want to get down to morals. Nobody is holy amongst all Nigerian politicians in this regards. It has always been padi padi unless you want to pretend like you don’t know. Just like Tinubu having his legitimate accounting firm consult for Lagos state, Obi had invested Anambras state funds in his family business, also Atiku has used in influence as a former NPA boss to expand his business Intels progress. Now tell me why Tinubu’s case becomes a problem now and others are not.
Tinubu’s situation ushered a money generating channel for the govt, State government in the US use private firms to manage and collect their taxes too on behalf of the state, if Lagos state business stays within Nigeria I don’t have a problem with that as long as job is well done.

This is the single reason why I do not support any of the 3 folks, they are exactly the same in terms of morals but none of them come close to Tinubu in achievements as a governor.

3. If I would hire Tinubu as a manager, if those 3 were the ONLY candidates I’d definitely hire a Tinubu instead of Atiku or Obi. But in the case of 2023 election, we have over 16 candidates yet NIgerians choose just those 3 which I found very annoying, but it’s all good. Those 3 are all desperate don’t be deceived, infact Obi is the most desperate judging how he used religious and ethnic lines that has been a fainted line in our country, he got there and unleashed the old wound.

Again, my only problem in my opinion with Tinubu is his health… that’s why I never supported his candidacy. Now that election is over, I’d gladly support him.

Now you accuse me of being sentimental, I don't think that's fair.
Tax revenue grew in lagos under Tinubu, but that was done with motives and because he was pressed at the time. Saying he used 'his legitimate accounting firm...'. I hope you know he denied ties with the company when he was indicted? That act was criminal in Nigeria- using your public office for personal gain. He was taking 15% out of Lagos internally generated revenue, we are not talking about federal allocation yet. If he had done that after office, and the company had been vetted, no matter how shambolic, that would have been ok. tinubu claims he 'owns lagos', and rightly so.

Coming to Obi, it was no family business he invested the state funds in, his investments also cuts accross several other establishments. including nigeria states (through bonds). Obi was careful not to spend the state funds carelesslly, he even denied himself his entitlements- which nigerian politician has ever done that? Do you know he was impeached twice? you may need to find out why.

i actually encountered him during his valedictory ceremony as a governor, and thereafter, i spoke to anyone who cared to listen about how this is one of a kind in this country. He had said, and still says, that if you have anything against him, and show him where he has spent a kobo out of the state fund recklessly, that he will drop out of this struggle. 'Recklessly' also includes inflation of government contracts, etc.

Obi did not come into politics for gain , he came to serve. He made up his mind the day he witnessed bakassi boys killing some 'thieves' without trial. He ended god-fatherism in Anambra, changed the educational, health and agricultural status/fortune of the state.

The reason I feel he is the best candidate in this race is because our leaders have wasted our resources, plunged us into damaging debts, and the other frontline politicians personally do not stand for anit-corruption, let alone ending the corruption in the system, except Obi, going by their antecedents- unless of course he changes tomorrow. But i strongly believe that if he was able to survive Anambra, where political wolves existed with federal might, he will be the one to succeed in steering Nigeria to the right course.

ruffhandu:

Now you accuse me of being sentimental, I don't think that's fair.
Tax revenue grew in lagos under Tinubu, but that was done with motives and because he was pressed at the time. Saying he used 'his legitimate accounting firm...'. I hope you know he denied ties with the company when he was indicted? That act was criminal in Nigeria- using your public office for personal gain. He was taking 15% out of Lagos internally generated revenue, we are not talking about federal allocation yet. If he had done that after office, and the company had been vetted, no matter how shambolic, that would have been ok. tinubu claims he 'owns lagos', and rightly so.

Coming to Obi, it was no family business he invested the state funds in, his investments also cuts accross several other establishments. including nigeria states (through bonds). Obi was careful not to spend the state funds carelesslly, he even denied himself his entitlements- which nigerian politician has ever done that? Do you know he was impeached twice? you may need to find out why.

i actually encountered him during his valedictory ceremony as a governor, and thereafter, i spoke to anyone who cared to listen about how this is one of a kind in this country. He had said, and still says, that if you have anything against him, and show him where he has spent a kobo out of the state fund recklessly, that he will drop out of this struggle. 'Recklessly' also includes inflation of government contracts, etc.

Obi did not come into politics for gain , he came to serve. He made up his mind the day he witnessed bakassi boys killing some 'thieves' without trial. He ended god-fatherism in Anambra, changed the educational, health and agricultural status/fortune of the state.

The reason I feel he is the best candidate in this race is because our leaders have wasted our resources, plunged us into damaging debts, and the other frontline politicians personally do not stand for anit-corruption, let alone ending the corruption in the system, except Obi, going by their antecedents- unless of course he changes tomorrow. But i strongly believe that if he was able to survive Anambra, where political wolves existed with federal might, he will be the one to succeed in steering Nigeria to the right course.

Apologies if that come off offensive, that’s not my intention. It seem sentimental when you ask if I could hire a politician to manage my business… reality is that the politician in question is a seasoned accountant that rose to the highest peak of his career. Again, apologies if that come off as offensive.

I chose to agree with you for the sake of this argument that he owns Alpha Beta even though no solid evidence to defend that claims yet. I don’t want us to go down that rabbit hole is why I choose to answer your question directly and you haven’t addressed the morality of other candidates that I called out.

sunboy:


Apologies if that come off offensive, that’s not my intention. It seem sentimental when you ask if I could hire a politician to manage my business… reality is that the politician in question is a seasoned accountant that rose to the highest peak of his career. Again, apologies if that come off as offensive.

I chose to agree with you for the sake of this argument that he owns Alpha Beta even though no solid evidence to defend that claims yet. I don’t want us to go down that rabbit hole is why I choose to answer your question directly and you haven’t addressed the morality of other candidates that I called out.

I assume I made some clarifications in terms of morals on the person of Obi. I never wanted Atiku to get close to the seat of the president of Nigeria, except when he is placed in contest with no other person but Buhari. If I had supernatural powers. i would have done anything to stop Buhari, but Nigerians simply shut their eyes to all red flags. For the three top contenders - Tinubu, Obi and Atiku, Obi is a saint in comparison in my opinion.

ruffhandu:


I assume I made some clarifications in terms of morals on the person of Obi. I never wanted Atiku to get close to the seat of the president of Nigeria, except when he is placed in contest with no other person but Buhari. If I had supernatural powers. i would have done anything to stop Buhari, but Nigerians simply shut their eyes to all red flags. For the three top contenders - Tinubu, Obi and Atiku, Obi is a saint in comparison in my opinion.

This is where I completely disagree. The 3 are all on the same level. Remember that Tinubu is most investigated governor till date all thanks to his opposition during Obj’s regime.

sunboy:


This is where I completely disagree. The 3 are all on the same level. Remember that Tinubu is most investigated governor till date all thanks to his opposition during Obj’s regime.

All those investigations always meet a dead end because of so much corruption. Remember the drug case (documents are in the open)? - it was a plea bargain.
The same drug case when raised in Nigeria- it was a case of compromise and corruption, the IGP only sent an enquiry to US to find out if tinubu was 'convicted', which we all know was not the case.
Remember the alpa beta case?- it was a deal to help pdp win Lagos.

one thing I give to tinubu- he amassed the money and knows how to use it to his advantage. Honestly, for my kind of person, if I were a politician, I would not want to be associated with tinubu. To digress, I have a friend who was one of Wike's commissioners. i know how he struggled to play along (he is a good fellow).

This is where I completely disagree.

It's ok if you disagree but this is public. Take your time and study the man closely. Anambra state books can be accessible during Obi's reign. I am not saying he is a saint(no man is without sin). but if you put him side-by-side with the other two, I can tell you without flinching that he is a saint. Till date, even after a court of competent jurisdiction ruled that lagos state should let the public access to its books, that judgment was never obeyed, till today.

You and I know (I presume so), that many political criminals have been left off the hook of criminal prosecution simply because they joined the ruling party. See Orji Uzor Kalu, Fani Kayode, Ganduje, Rotimi Amaechi (too numerous to mention).
So, for one to be investigated and let off the hook being a sign of innocence in Nigeria is a fairy tale.