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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by SpatialKing(m): 2:01am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


That is why you need to read the constitution.everything that applies to a gov,applies to a president.you read the constitution holistically and not narrowly inorder to get the true intendment of the framers.no law will ever elevate somebody or a place above others.equality before the law is spiritually sacrosanct.

Don't forget States capital like Osogbo have LGA chairman...
The governor does not serve as the chairman of Osogbo unlike FCT that the president and NASS serves as governor and State assembly

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by SpatialKing(m): 2:02am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


That is why you need to read the constitution.everything that applies to a gov,applies to a president.you read the constitution holistically and not narrowly inorder to get the true intendment of the framers.no law will ever elevate somebody or a place above others.equality before the law is spiritually sacrosanct.

Yet the constitution stated AND FCT
But didn't state and State capital

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by garfield1: 2:04am On May 06, 2023
SpatialKing:


Don't forget States capital like Osogbo have LGA chairman...
The governor does not serve as the chairman of Osogbo unlike FCT that the president and NASS serves as governor and State assembly

Places like asaba,minna do not have lga chairmen yet the gov doesnt act asr the chairmen.
In that section 299,the constitution did not say they will serve as govs and lawmakers.it said they will act.it did not specify any special requirement for them to be able to act

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by SpatialKing(m): 2:09am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


Places like asaba,minna do not have lga chairmen yet the gov doesnt act asr the chairmen.
In that section 299,the constitution did not say they will serve as govs and lawmakers.it said they will act.it did not specify any special requirement for them to be able to act

Exactly, they will ACT
Yes all votes are equal including FCT votes
That's why is mandatory to get 25% in FCT...
It shouldn't be difficult for the winner to get

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by garfield1: 2:12am On May 06, 2023
SpatialKing:


Exactly, they will ACT
Yes all votes are equal including FCT votes
That's why is mandatory to get 25% in FCT...
It shouldn't be difficult for the winner to get

It is also mandatory for lawmakers to get 25% in the fct if so.even Wikipedia says nigeria is made up of 36 states and fct not including fct

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Kingsmeal: 2:27am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


It is also mandatory for lawmakers to get 25% in the fct if so.even Wikipedia says nigeria is made up of 36 states and fct not including fct

You just shot yourself with this.

36 states And FCT.

Not 37 States like you're disgracing yourself trying to defend.

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by garfield1: 2:30am On May 06, 2023
Kingsmeal:


You just shot yourself with this.

36 states And FCT.

Not 37 States like you're disgracing yourself trying to defend.

The And does not make 25% mandatory in fct.it is because that is how the component units of nigeria is referred to everywhere.it is jointly used to indicate that the fct is separate but still like the states

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Great2017: 4:57am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


Mancity ended the season with the most points and you said they shouldn't be crowned because they never won arsenal.how does that sound? At this your level,you should know by now that law is different from other civil matters
Out of point

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by NoFucksToGive: 5:21am On May 06, 2023
Draslo:
So by your logic, getting 100% of votes in FCT guarantees you a seat in Aso Rock? Lol. As far as elections are concerned FCT will be deemed a state and will be treated as onw


I am sure you didn't read the post nor could you understand the English grammar used 🤣🤣

Iliterate

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by VinnyBaba: 5:39am On May 06, 2023
15th of July 2005, Buhari was challenging the results of 2003 Election? shocked

Dat's TWO+ solid years! 😯

But Today, After ONLY 1 month, Corrupt Head of States like Gowon, Abdul-Salam
are Telling Peter Obi to Accept the results.😕

Some are even Accusing him of Heating the Polity or Cashing in on Pple's Vulnerability. sad

Why wasn't Buhari told, all these?

Very USELESS APC Pple. ☹️😒

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by VinnyBaba: 5:50am On May 06, 2023
Kingsmeal:


You just shot yourself with this.

36 states And FCT.

Not 37 States like you're disgracing yourself trying to defend.

If a Principal tell his Students 'Come to the Exam hall with Biro, Pencil, Eraser, Tippex AND Mobile Phone'.

This statement show the MOBILE PHONE is the most Important item needed. sad

You have it and bring only Pencil, you will be Allowed to Write the Exam.
But if you come with the First four items without Mobile phone, U will be Delayed and Queried. 😒🤨

The 25% Argument is Very Simple for our APC/Tinubu Goons to understand.🙂

If they Can't, then I Pity their Reasoning capabilities! embarassed 😌

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Ofunaofu: 5:56am On May 06, 2023
While the constitution had its own formula for determining who becomes president, APC and Mahmood produced their own formula

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by stev120(m): 7:20am On May 06, 2023
The true sense and how it suppose to be is that Abuja is not more important than other states, it shouldn't be compulsory to get 25% in Abuja. What if a candidate gets 25% only in Abuja has he won the elections? No!

Let me now be honest, those who wrote that section of the constitution made a mistake by saying a Presidential candidate must get "25% in 24 states 'AND' Abuja". Talk to me intelligent people this statement is clear and can not be twisted.

Instead, it should be a Presidential candidate must get 25% in 24 states AND Abuja CAN 'make-up' the 24 states". Simple.

The "can" as a probability has settled the issues of the conjunction 'and'.

Over the years how has the conjunction "and" been used in the constitution?

I believe the Judges will not plea that it was a mistake from the Lawmakers that didn't properly state the constitution.

Also, the Judges can not claim to know the mind of the lawmakers better than what the Constitution states.

May God help our Judges not to disgrace the Judiciary.
Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Penguin2: 8:13am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


Mancity ended the season with the most points and you said they shouldn't be crowned because they never won arsenal.how does that sound? At this your level,you should know by now that law is different from other civil matters
Don’t try to be clever by half…

We live in a world guided by laws, rules and regulations.

In my instance, just like the election, the law was explicit that you must score credit in English and Mathematics. You are made to be aware of this reality right before you even sit for WAEC so you know which subjects to take most seriously and which ones to take not so seriously. This is why the regulating body would be justified to deny you admission if at the end of the day you fail to make credit in English and Mathematics because you were made aware of the rule/law.

Now, in your instance, is there any rule or regulation that state ab initio that to win the Premier League, a team must win Arsenal?

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by garfield1: 8:29am On May 06, 2023
Penguin2:

Don’t try to be clever by half…

We live in a world guided by laws, rules and regulations.

In my instance, just like the election, the law was explicit that you must score credit in English and Mathematics. You are made to be aware of this reality right before you even sit for WAEC so you know which subjects to take most seriously and which ones to take not so seriously. This is why the regulating body would be justified to deny you admission if at the end of the day you fail to make credit in English and Mathematics because you were made aware of the rule/law.

Now, in your instance, is there any rule or regulation that state ab initio that to win the Premier League, a team must win Arsenal?

You are the one deceiving yourself and consoling yourself.as a master of electoral law and politics,I am telling you that the supreme court will not rule differently.status quo will be maintained

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by AntiChristian: 9:12am On May 06, 2023
VinnyBaba:


15th of July 2005, Buhari was challenging the results of 2003 Election? shocked

Dat's TWO+ solid years! 😯

But Today, After ONLY 1 month, Corrupt Head of States like Gowon, Abdul-Salam
are Telling Peter Obi to Accept the results.😕

Some are even Accusing him of Heating the Polity or Cashing in on Pple's Vulnerability. sad

Why wasn't Buhari told, all these?

Very USELESS APC Pple. ☹️😒

They should continue till they lose as Buhari did then!
They are telling him to accept the result as they know northerners as well as south westerners never voted Obi!
And yeah, Datti was heating the polity!
Who told you Buhari was not warned/cautioned even more than this?

Very useless, senseless, obidenseidiotic Loser Party people!
Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by jasent(m): 9:13am On May 06, 2023
Kentursky:
This is trash for the bin.
Are we not following the Constitution again?

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by AntiChristian: 9:24am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


You are the one deceiving yourself and consoling yourself.as a master of electoral law and politics,I am telling you that the supreme court will not rule differently.status quo will be maintained

These Obidients won't agree with you!
It's just like Datti on Channels TV saying the Supreme Court must agree with their own interpretation or else....

All votes are equal in Nigeria!
Nigeria is composed of 36 States and the FCT.
FCT is a component of Nigeria like other states. It does not have superior electoral advantage.

Is FCT treated like a state in Nigeria according to Section 299 of the constitution?

CHAT GPT
Yes, the Federal Capital Territory (FCT) is treated like a state in Nigeria according to Section 299 of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (as amended).

Section 299 of the constitution provides that "References in this Constitution to the Federation or Nigeria shall be construed as including references to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja". This means that any reference to Nigeria or the Federation in the constitution also includes the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

Furthermore, Section 299(2) of the constitution provides that "The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation". This means that the constitution treats the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were a state, and the provisions of the constitution, including those relating to the rights and obligations of citizens, the conduct of government business, and the allocation of revenue, apply to the FCT as they do to the states of the federation.

In summary, the constitution treats the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, like a state in Nigeria, and it is subject to the same laws and regulations as the other states of the federation.

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by AntiChristian: 9:33am On May 06, 2023
Penguin2:

Don’t try to be clever by half…

We live in a world guided by laws, rules and regulations.

In my instance, just like the election, the law was explicit that you must score credit in English and Mathematics. You are made to be aware of this reality right before you even sit for WAEC so you know which subjects to take most seriously and which ones to take not so seriously. This is why the regulating body would be justified to deny you admission if at the end of the day you fail to make credit in English and Mathematics because you were made aware of the rule/law.
This analogy does not go in tandem with Nigerian states and FCT. Mathematics and English are unrelated subjects whereas FCT and other states are in Nigeria. In fact, FCT was carved out from some states!
FCT is like a subset of Nigeria like other states!

Now, in your instance, is there any rule or regulation that state ab initio that to win the Premier League, a team must win Arsenal?
Not really! That's also a mistake.

If Nigeria is A, Abuja or other states can be B.
B is a subset of A.

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by AntiChristian: 9:36am On May 06, 2023
Ofunaofu:
While the constitution had its own formula for determining who becomes president, APC and Mahmood produced their own formula

So, is there any law that states that the deluxe room can be taken as the standard room in the real estate constitution? (Section 299)

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by AntiChristian: 9:38am On May 06, 2023
SpatialKing:


How can you deem FCT a state because of Elections?

If you say FCT is a state then who is their governor?

Section 299 of the constitution provides that "References in this Constitution to the Federation or Nigeria shall be construed as including references to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja". This means that any reference to Nigeria or the Federation in the constitution also includes the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

Furthermore, Section 299(2) of the constitution provides that "The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation". This means that the constitution treats the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were a state, and the provisions of the constitution, including those relating to the rights and obligations of citizens, the conduct of government business, and the allocation of revenue, apply to the FCT as they do to the states of the federation.

In summary, the constitution treats the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, like a state in Nigeria, and it is subject to the same laws and regulations as the other states of the federation.

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Ofunaofu: 9:41am On May 06, 2023
AntiChristian:


So, is there any law that states that the deluxe room can be taken as the standard room in the real estate constitution? (Section 299)

My opinion is immaterial at this moment

The case is in court

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by AntiChristian: 9:49am On May 06, 2023
Ofunaofu:


My opinion is immaterial at this moment

The case is in court

Great!
So why is Datti making such statement on TV when its in court?

Despite having a Doctorate degree and a University of repute at hand!

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by SpatialKing(m): 9:50am On May 06, 2023
AntiChristian:


Section 299 of the constitution provides that "References in this Constitution to the Federation or Nigeria shall be construed as including references to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja". This means that any reference to Nigeria or the Federation in the constitution also includes the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

Furthermore, Section 299(2) of the constitution provides that "The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation". This means that the constitution treats the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were a state, and the provisions of the constitution, including those relating to the rights and obligations of citizens, the conduct of government business, and the allocation of revenue, apply to the FCT as they do to the states of the federation.

In summary, the constitution treats the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, like a state in Nigeria, and it is subject to the same laws and regulations as the other states of the federation.

Correct, FCT is as important as other states in Nigeria
and that's why is clearly stated

AND 25% in FCT

Which Tinubu failed to attain

Is just like the rule of simple majority to win...

The should meet all the electoral requirements as stated in the constitution to become the president..
Every other president before him did so...

Moreover, getting 25% in FCT shouldn't be difficult for the winner...

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by AntiChristian: 9:54am On May 06, 2023
SpatialKing:


Correct, FCT is as important as other states in Nigeria
and that's why is clearly stated

AND 25% in FCT

Which Tinubu failed to attain

Is just like the rule of simple majority to win...

The should meet all the electoral requirements as stated in the constitution to become the president..


Every other president before him did so...

Moreover, getting 25% in FCT shouldn't be difficult for the winner...

FCT IS NOT SPECIAL!
IT IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER STATE IN NIGERIA!

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Penguin2: 10:31am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


You are the one deceiving yourself and consoling yourself.as a master of electoral law and politics,I am telling you that the supreme court will not rule differently.status quo will be maintained

Lol!

You’ve abandoned logic for vituperations.

Well, if any status quo is to be maintained, then it is the fact that 25% in Abuja is a NECESSARY prerequisite to be declared a president-elect in Nigeria; a provision Tinubu failed to satisfy which invalidates his declaration.

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Penguin2: 10:46am On May 06, 2023
AntiChristian:
This analogy does not go in tandem with Nigerian states and FCT. Mathematics and English are unrelated subjects whereas FCT and other states are in Nigeria. In fact, FCT was carved out from some states!
FCT is like a subset of Nigeria like other states!

Not really! That's also a mistake.

If Nigeria is A, Abuja or other states can be B.
B is a subset of A.

There’s a reason why Law is an art, different from pure science.

So, talking about sets and subsets might not work here.

But even in science, there are laws governing every scientific realities and outcomes.

It would take 2 HYDROGEN atoms and one OXYGEN atom to make WATER.

Now, do you mean to contend that if you go into the Laboratory and use 1 HYDROGEN atom and 2 OXYGEN atoms, you would still get water 💦? Or that if you use 20 HYDROGEN atoms without any OXYGEN atom, you will still get water? You know you won’t.

So, the scientific dimension you want to take the argument to is even governed by stricter laws that most be followed with precision.

And just like scientific laws, social laws must also be followed to the later.

To be declared president in Nigeria, you must get 25% in FCT and Tinubu failed to get it. Therefore, his declaration is null and void and has no legal foundation to stand.

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by BrownSugq: 10:47am On May 06, 2023
Draslo:
So by your logic, getting 100% of votes in FCT guarantees you a seat in Aso Rock? Lol. As far as elections are concerned FCT will be deemed a state and will be treated as onw
Which section of the Constitution made FCT a state?

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Ofunaofu: 10:55am On May 06, 2023
AntiChristian:


Great!
So why is Datti making such statement on TV when its in court?

Despite having a Doctorate degree and a University of repute at hand!


He is entitled to his opinion as well


After all there is freedom of speech

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Spy360(m): 10:56am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


Making 25% in fct mandatory means elevating fct above all other states.if votes were equal,the constitution would have required the president getting 25% in all the states or in at least 25 states inclusive of fct.
If votes were equal, then only a simple majority of votes should guarantee winning an election. There's a reason spread is critical. That spread also affects FCT, because the president shall be it's administrative head.

The FCT is not a state. It is the seat of the president. That is why your child will tell you 36states and capital. For you to be president you need 25% in 2/3 of 36states and 25% in the capital - your seat of power.

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Re: Fact File; Obj Vs Buhari (2003), 25% Is Compulsory In FCT. by Dreamhighnow(m): 11:06am On May 06, 2023
garfield1:


Obidients are trying to elevate the fct above other states.if it is mandatory to get 25% in fct,then it must be mandatory in all states.do not be deceived by the And.And In is even more specific.And can also mean including.if you know how the law works,you won't push this further

Guy I’m not obidient but this matter needed to be contested and interpreted in the court of law. We must not be bending every rule just to suit our narratives. When I read your comment I just laugh and I remember why Nigeria still the way it is. But when people like u eventually become a victim of the evil you allow,…

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