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Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:57pm On May 13, 2023
kkins25:

How can good and evil not have existed when there was already a "serpent" sneaking around the garden of Eden?

God created all the animals but a powerful spirit used the serpent like a puppet to talk to Eve that's why the book of Revelation referred to that spirit as the ORIGINAL SERPENT {Revelations 12:9} indicating that Serpents don't talk it was possessed. The spirit creature who possessed the serpent wanted more than what his kind had.
So evil actually had a beginning but good has always existed because the Creator is the epitome of Goodness! Luke 18:19 compare to Galatians 5:22-23
Thanks! smiley
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by kkins25(m): 2:55pm On May 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


God created all the animals but a powerful spirit used the serpent like a puppet to talk to Eve that's why the book of Revelation referred to that spirit as the ORIGINAL SERPENT {Revelations 12:9} indicating that Serpents don't talk it was possessed. The spirit creature who possessed the serpent wanted more than what his kind had.
So evil actually had a beginning but good has always existed because the Creator is the epitome of Goodness! Luke 18:19 compare to Galatians 5:22-23
Thanks! smiley
How can good exist without knowing what evil is?
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:34pm On May 14, 2023
kkins25:
How can good exist without knowing what evil is?
He is Holy.
Another word for HOLY is PURE it's impossible for a person with pure heart to think of evil but when God create humans he gave them freewill and warned them of just one thing that can make them impure in thought:

They shouldn't try to set standards for their fellow humans that belongs only to our Creator who is PURE in everything! Genesis 2:17

Satan has lived long before the creation of humans and he wanted to rule by all means that's why he schemed to remove God from the scene so he can become the ruler over mankind! Genesis 3:4-5

He knew it's a big challenge for God who claimed that everything He created was PERFECT {Genesis 1:31} if God destroys Satan and the two rebels instantly the question still remains: Can God step aside for some time for humans to rule themselves without His intervention? After all He claim all His works are perfect. So God promised to destroy Satan after this case has been resolved {Genesis 3:15} but then time is needed for humans to prove that they can successfully rule themselves independently of God's standard.

History has proved that man can't rule over man successfully {Ecclesiastes 8:9}
WHY? Because it will take a long time before we can become HOLY (PURE in heart) like our heavenly father, Jesus has been with God even before any other creature so he knows that his father is the EPITOME of GOODNESS {Luke 18:19} He is the one who has no evil in His thought that's why Jesus said:

“Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner" John 5:19

This is what the man called God's Son said {Matthew 16:16} showing that it's exactly what he copied from his father that made him pure in heart too!

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Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by kkins25(m): 7:24pm On May 17, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

Imagine good and evil were to roads, one right(good) and the other left(evil).. further imagine that you are a blind man. Now say u were put at the junction of both roads and asked to go right, how would you know?
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:58pm On May 17, 2023
kkins25:

Imagine good and evil were to roads, one right(good) and the other left(evil).. further imagine that you are a blind man. Now say u were put at the junction of both roads and asked to go right, how would you know?

What exactly are you driving at with this?

God has all the power so He doesn't need to think of evil because the only reason why humans think of evil is when they feel something can bring them joy and it's beyond their reach. As for the Almighty God nothing can stop His joy all He wants is creatures that are intelligent to live and enjoy life without hurting one another that's why He is not capable of thinking evil! smiley

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Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by MightySparrow: 11:08pm On May 17, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

All you need is a one on one free home Bible study with the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) Malachi 3:16
There are lots of questions locked up in your heart that needed answers {Matthew 7:7-8 compare to Proverbs 2:1-5} but simply looking at the religions around you and reading stuffs in books or internet will only complicate issues.

GOOD and EVIL wouldn't have existed if all humans live by the standard God set in the beginning.
Whatever you want to do make sure you get the best out of it to satisfy your curiosity but [b]never set standards for others neither force your opinion or desire on your fellowman! Genesis 2:17[/b]
This is the Genesis of mankind's problems till today, as most people often feel like setting up standards and imposing it on their neighbours! Ecclesiastes 8:9

Apart from this there is nothing called GOOD or EVIL if all you're doing is within yourself without affecting others at all! Matthew 7:12


Ehn hẹn! From you my friend?😅
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by MightySparrow: 11:11pm On May 17, 2023
FreeSpirited:

You dey mind them...
All those baby philosophers that devil has blocked their spiritual eyesight.
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Philosophy and science is the most useless and limited way of knowing God. Fooolish immortals thinking they are wise...
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Science is just an infinitesimal fraction of knowledge in the grand scheme of knowing, gotten through the senses and revealed by certain low cadre angels in many cases.....
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Some of this ignorant boys don't even know science has its realm in the low level of the spiritual...but they will come here to spew jargons and philosophy they don't even have idea.
And believe is the ultimate knowledge.....lost souls.
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What you guys need is humility....and acceptance of the limitation of Man...that's the first step to knowledge.
(Anyway, I was like that before. His eyes will open someday)
My thoughts also. Thump thump up

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Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:59am On May 18, 2023
MightySparrow:

Ehn hẹn! From you my friend?😅

Your brains can't fathom this, what i meant is setting standards and forcing it on others like politicians forming an army to force their rules on people not those agreeing among themselves if you're not OK with their rules you're free to walk away and continue living in the same neighborhood with them they will not force it on you.
In reality you're the one trying to force yourself on people who have agreed to live by the same standard when you're not ready to submit to their standard yet you want them to recognize you as part of them! smiley
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by MightySparrow: 7:15am On May 18, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Your brains can't fathom this, what i meant is setting standards and forcing it on others like politicians forming an army to force their rules on people not those agreeing among themselves if you're not OK with their rules you're free to walk away and continue living in the same neighborhood with them they will not force it on you.
In reality you're the one trying to force yourself on people who have agreed to live by the same standard when you're not ready to submit to their standard yet you want them to recognize you as part of them! smiley

Hmmmmm
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by kkins25(m): 4:18pm On May 18, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


What exactly are you driving at with this?

God has all the power so He doesn't need to think of evil because the only reason why humans think of evil is when they feel something can bring them joy and it's beyond their reach. As for the Almighty God nothing can stop His joy all He wants is creatures that are intelligent to live and enjoy life without hurting one another that's why He is not capable of thinking evil! smiley
If God has all the power, then answer the following:

Can God be unjust?
is God capable of Hate? to sum them up...
Is God capable of Evil?

If he doesn't operate within the sphere of Good and evil, then claiming that God is Love is deceitful.

If God is capable of Good and Evil, but chooses to do Good only, then, God is subservient to the principles of Good and Evil. If God is innately good and incapable of Evil, then Evil is a state of being that God cannot exist in. This means God isn't all powerful, since, he incapable of something, that is, evil.

If God is capable of Evil, then he is unjust, fore being a 'just' God is one of the many traits of God, and Evil contrast the traits of a just God.
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:32pm On May 18, 2023
kkins25:
If
Can God be unjust?
is God capable of Hate? to sum them up...
Is God capable of Evil?

NO! smiley
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by Dtruthspeaker: 4:35pm On May 18, 2023
kkins25:
If God has all the power, then answer the following:

Can God be unjust?
is God capable of Hate? to sum them up...
Is God capable of Evil?

Your word is "capable" meaning ability even if that action in view has not been done exactly as you are capable of stealing even though you have never stolen.

Therefore the answer is yes. He has the ability!

But just no one can call you a thief, unless and until you steal so also you can not call God unjust and evil unless and until He has done an act which we justifiably call unjust and evil.

And since He has never done anything unjust or evil, then it is therefore right to say that God is just and good exactly as you are entitled to be called a honest citizen since we have not seen you steal.

So, your opinion and analysis is completely wrong and off target!
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by Dtruthspeaker: 4:41pm On May 18, 2023
LordReed:


Excellent.

You praise a mad and twisted and jumbled analysis of a child who has confessed that he doesn't know what he says?

Your fall towards insanity is a wonder and sight to behold. grin
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by Dtruthspeaker: 4:48pm On May 18, 2023
kkins25:
... but, allow me to ask, Is it possible for God to be good and evil? ...

Are you yourself not good and evil?

Or for more accuracy, are you yourself not capable of doing both good and evil?
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by LordReed(m): 4:51pm On May 18, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Are you yourself not good and evil?

Or for more accuracy, are you yourself not capable of doing both good and evil?

LoLz. Not interested in hashing out anything with you, you are incapable of being reasonable.
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by Dtruthspeaker: 5:02pm On May 18, 2023
LordReed:

LoLz. Not interested in hashing out anything with you, you are incapable of being reasonable.

First, my response was towards the op and not you. Secondly, it is known you are an evil thing and that when you see that all your evil arguments are batted aside, the next thing you will do is to insult God (blaspheme) like the true Satan indwelled you are.

Thus, you already know that all your falls and lying arguments and twistings will not work with me hence your inability to reasonably argue with me, unlike others who do not catch your evil doublespeak and word play.
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by LordReed(m): 6:13pm On May 18, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


First, my response was towards the op and not you. Secondly, it is known you are an evil thing and that when you see that all your evil arguments are batted aside, the next thing you will do is to insult God (blaspheme) like the true Satan indwelled you are.

Thus, you already know that all your falls and lying arguments and twistings will not work with me hence your inability to reasonably argue with me, unlike others who do not catch your evil doublespeak and word play.

You are not reasonable. LoLz.
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by Dtruthspeaker: 7:03pm On May 18, 2023
LordReed:


You are not reasonable. LoLz.

You are the one who is unreasonable and even right now you are proving it.
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by LordReed(m): 8:10pm On May 18, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


You are the one who is unreasonable and even right now you are proving it.

LoLz. No, you.
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by kkins25(m): 9:54am On May 19, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Your word is "capable" meaning ability even if that action in view has not been done exactly as you are capable of stealing even though you have never stolen.

Therefore the answer is yes. He has the ability!

But just no one can call you a thief, unless and until you steal so also you can not call God unjust and evil unless and until He has done an act which we justifiably call unjust and evil.

And since He has never done anything unjust or evil, then it is therefore right to say that God is just and good exactly as you are entitled to be called a honest citizen since we have not seen you steal.

So, your opinion and analysis is completely wrong and off target!

4) If God created Good and Evil, then God himself didn't know Good and evil until it was created . It's either He didn't create it or he did. I[b]f he did then we can deduce that God is subject to his own creation which is good.[/b] Since he cannot do Evil, then he set a limit on himself and is subject to that limit. Did God create Good and Evil, or did they Create God?
Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by Dtruthspeaker: 9:41pm On May 20, 2023
kkins25:

4) If God created Good and Evil, then God himself didn't know Good and evil until it was created . It's either He didn't create it or he did. I[b]f he did then we can deduce that God is subject to his own creation which is good.[/b] Since he cannot do Evil, then he set a limit on himself and is subject to that limit. Did God create Good and Evil, or did they Create God?

This is you speaking foolishly and presumptuously.

God is The Greatest and He is The Only Creator Who is beyond the power of His creation.

Acid will burn the maker of acid a but The Creator of water can not be drowned by water.

Your stupidity is making you reason like a lunatic, just go your own way and attend to your business. Understanding God is like a 4 year old trying to understand 4 figure table. It is beyond your capability, so buzz off.

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