kkins25:

Did God create Good and Evil, or did they Create God?

FreeSpirited:

What's the point of this argument?
You can not be writing confusion and make us read till the end without any statement of purpose. Haba. What empty nonsense

MaxInDHouse:


He wants to condemn the Bible using the idea of God being the source of GOOD and Satan being the source of EVIL.

FreeSpirited:

You dey mind them...
All those baby philosophers that devil has blocked their spiritual eyesight.
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Philosophy and science is the most useless and limited way of knowing God. Fooolish immortals thinking they are wise...
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Science is just an infinitesimal fraction of knowledge in the grand scheme of knowing, gotten through the senses and revealed by certain low cadre angels in many cases.....
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Some of this ignorant boys don't even know science has its realm in the low level of the spiritual...but they will come here to spew jargons and philosophy they don't even have idea.
And believe is the ultimate knowledge.....lost souls.
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What you guys need is humility....and acceptance of the limitation of Man...that's the first step to knowledge.
(Anyway, I was like that before. His eyes will open someday)

kkins25:
Good and Evil are opposing sides of an ideological concept; however, not many acknowledge their biological nature. For instance, the dominant religions of the earth, that is, the branches of Judaism, or rather, Abrahamism, do not acknowledge the evolutionary nature of good and evil. Many argue that Good and Evil are absolute but, they deliberately or ignorantly abolish the visible contortions of the concepts throughout history and from civilization to civilization.

Together, good and evil can be fused into 'morality,' a subject so malleable that on one side of the earth, the death of Russian civilians are welcomed with jubilation, thus good. On other parts of the earth, the cold bodies of Ukrainians, thrown into mass graves are a mighty cause for celebration. But, to fully comprehend what morality is, we must seek out Dr. Strange to guide us back in time. We must journey back into the fabrics of the cosmos, and descend down into earth so young, YHWH, the Christian's supreme deity, could move to and fro as he pleased. But, before we enjoy the remarkable view of the earth; the green shades; the high mountains; the wars; the victories; and the wonderful tales it holds, lets us warp further through the curvature of time and space. A time when the solar system was without form, and the universe was nothing larger than a basketball and governed by one rule--and one rule alone, "The Theory of Everything."

The mechanics of the universe are not our current concern, but, bear in mind, that we shall form a court in the future where we humans shall judge the Gods, angels, demons, and every creature that played a role in the creation of the cosmos as claimed by some. The bone we must chew on is that which challenges the creation of good and evil. The question we must ask is...

WHO CAME FIRST, GOD OR GOOD AND EVIL?
Yes, you might think me a madman and I urge you to not. Instead, think of me as a little child who knows nothing but is tasked to know as much as he can if he cannot learn everything. At first glance, we might want to wear the shoes of DJ Khaled and yell, "God Did." I would love to believe that was the case, however, the logos, the cosmic force behind the creation of ALL, rages at ideas and cheap remarks like "God did."

God, according to common definitions, is the grand master of creation. The potter who out of nothing made the cosmos as it was, and as it is. I do not intend to also question the character of God, but, allow me to ask, Is it possible for God to be good and evil? Remember, unlike God, Good or Evil are ideological concepts that may or may not require the shelter of the mind. Therefore, we must ask ourselves,

1) What makes God good?
2) For one to be evil, the definition of evil must be understood, and the same for the perpetrator of evil and the victim of evil. This means Good and Evil must be absolute and remain the same whether the cosmos, universe, God, or humans exist.
3) God couldn't have created good or evil because they are not things. Even if he did, then they wouldn't be absolute. Let me explain, supposing you take three people; one is color blind, the other cannot see the color blue, and the last is with vision intact. To the color blind person, a sunflower will not be of yellow color; to the second, the sunflower would also not be of the yellow color; but the last person will confirm the yellowness o the sunflower.

Let us assume the color of the sunflower is absolute, it means, it will remain yellow, even if all three people argue that it isn't yellow. Now, let us draw our attention back to the defendant, God.

If God defines what is Good or Evil, how do we know God isn't color-blind, and giving us a construed version of good and evil? In other words, can we trust God, to define the terms of good and evil? Surely not!

You might argue that since God is the creator, then, he is the creator of good and evil. But, that assumes there is also one God. How about there were 2000 Gods? Can one God be good to another God, or can God-A call God-B evil? What is the importance of this argument?
This further necessitates why God must be summoned to the pulpit and must stand trial.

You should and must consider, if you have any iota of truth in you, that if we leave God to define the rules, then how can we tell we haven't been enslaved by God? Could this be why he didn't want Adam to take from the Tree of Good and Evil? Did Adam truly commit any crime? How can any crime be committed when there are no rules defined? Even so, why should Adam be convicted of a crime when he was no different from a 2-year-old baby who didn't know left from right?

Now for the deal breaker...


4) If God created Good and Evil, then God himself didn't know Good and evil until it was created. It's either He didn't create it or he did. If he did then we can deduce that God is subject to his own creation which is good. Since he cannot do Evil, then he set a limit on himself and is subject to that limit. Did God create Good and Evil, or did they Create God?

FreeSpirited:

You dey mind them...
All those baby philosophers that devil has blocked their spiritual eyesight.
.
Philosophy and science is the most useless and limited way of knowing God. Fooolish immortals thinking they are wise...
.
Science is just an infinitesimal fraction of knowledge in the grand scheme of knowing, gotten through the senses and revealed by certain low cadre angels in many cases.....
.
Some of this ignorant boys don't even know science has its realm in the low level of the spiritual...but they will come here to spew jargons and philosophy they don't even have idea.
And believe is the ultimate knowledge.....lost souls.
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What you guys need is humility....and acceptance of the limitation of Man...that's the first step to knowledge.
(Anyway, I was like that before. His eyes will open someday)

Maynman:

What’s the achievement of high level of spiritual in the world?
The phone and internet you are using is a result of science, a “low level of spiritual”. And you didn’t need to believe in science before you used its service.
So Tell us how high level of spiritual has made everyone life easier?

FreeSpirited:

Easy life is the ultimate purpose of life to you right? No wonder u can't reason beyond concepts that are validated by mere experimental statistics and probability.

Maynman:


And slavery life is the ultimate purpose of life to you right?
No wonder you can’t reason intelligently and base your life on things you read in a forged book that can’t be proven or validated, and all you have are beliefs.

FreeSpirited:

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Things unseen are greater than things seen
Faith is greater than reason
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You can never get to this level of knowing except you are aided. I'm not here to argue, just to stimulate you to think beyond your base level

Maynman:


Only a retarded person will say things unseen are greater than things seen.
Even in your bible it says you should seek knowledge, it says people perish because they lack knowledge not faith.

You don’t know anything, you are just regurgitating what you have been told to BELIEVE and have faith.
If you KNOW something you don’t need to believe or have faith in it again.
The absence of knowledge breeds different beliefs.

Start to REASON and don’t base your life on faith.

FreeSpirited:

Things unseen are greater, more, and profound than things you can ever see .

When your eyes is opened, I speak the truth, By God you will know faith is greater than any REASON u can get.....
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Even science was revealed. Anything not revealed will never see the light in the physical realm. It's the reason u shouldnt despise knowledge gotten from revelation.
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There are different levels to knowing, different levels to revelation, And are different kind of knowledge.
See the greatest Knowledge
Not the deception from devil himself
Imagine equating science to God....u people are lost....
The low level Satanic angel if served can dymistify science in minutes, let alone God...
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You people think too much of ursef

FreeSpirited:


Abi the grand purpose of life is science Abi? Smh

Maynman:


Only a retarded person will say things unseen are greater than things seen.
Even in your bible it says you should seek knowledge, it says people perish because they lack knowledge not faith.

The absence of knowledge breeds different beliefs and beliefs requires faith not reason.

You are a dullard!

FreeSpirited:

The question you should ask is what kind of knowledge
Or do you think only one knowledge system exist in life?
There are different systems of knowledge you want to be slave to.....
The incomplete -Scientific knowledge-Internet knowledge -Research knowledge that is based on probability?
Abi
-Philosophy knowledge
-cultural and historical knowledge
-Satanic and voodoo knowledge

-The revelation of God and his son
Or the deceptive religion of Antichrist and Babylon

Which knowledge are you even talking about
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Maynman:

Illiterate, knowledge means “to know”.
When the knowledge of treating people was created it was called medicine,. When the knowledge of creating houses was created it was called building. Etc
You are already a slave to jewish mythologies, worshipping yahweh and a jewish man to be your savior.

It not that you don’t reason you will know science LITERALLY means KNOWLEDGE.

Dullard, which system of knowledge requires faith and not reasoning?

FreeSpirited:


Imagine bringing out dictionary as if Na only u study English for school.
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Start by researching the different system of knowledge we have, their origin, purpose and limitation
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Then we can talk. Good day

FreeSpirited:

Things unseen are greater, more, and profound than things you can ever see .

When your eyes is opened, I speak the truth, By God you will know faith is greater than any REASON u can get.....
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Even science was revealed. Anything not revealed will never see the light in the physical realm. It's the reason u shouldnt despise knowledge gotten from revelation.
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There are different levels to knowing, different levels to revelation, And are different kind of knowledge.
Seek the greatest Knowledge
Not the deception from devil himself
Imagine equating science to God....u people are lost....
The low level Satanic angel if served can dymistify science in minutes, let alone God...
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You people think too much of ursef
Abi the grand purpose of life is science Abi? Smh

Maynman:


No it’s not dictionary, only if you do reason you’ll realise it’s the ETYMOLOGY of the word.

I don’t think you understand what “system of knowledge” means. You’re just talking without reasoning truly.

When you start to reason then we can talk. Good day.

FreeSpirited:

Which one be etymology for this simple phrase I told you to find out...
Etymology kor... entomology no

Just look at the semantic or contextual implications of what I'm saying ( i.e, 'system of knowledge') .... nobody is telling u to study history

I even itemized the different body of knowledge u could research...yet u decided to talk offpoint typical of Nairaland anyway

Maynman:

Only if you do reason you will know what etymology means.

What you itemised is gotten from ignorance. There is nothing like that, you yourself said you don’t reason.
Look at this jargons
-Philosophy knowledge
-cultural and historical knowledge
-Satanic and voodoo knowledge.

If not that you are dullard, philosophy means love of wisdom, so wtf does “philosophy knowledge” mean?
Like i said knowledge means “To Know”.

Only if you do reason, you will know “satan” means opposer/advensary and your creator yahweh was a “satan” to baalam donkey in numbers 22:22.

Where are you getting your jargons from?

FreeSpirited:

Haaa.. lol
I knew it would get to this. Been long I argued on Nairaland.
1. There's no point pulling out etymology....it's baseless and irrevlant

2. I told you to consider the contextual meaning

3. God is Satan, Satan is God, and all those balderdash and Satanic deception is bullshit and will lead u all to total spiritual destruction...no way out trust me.

4. Etymology of philosophy doesn't remove the fact that there are different philosophies of knowledge...so what's Ur problem....it's those different system or philosophies I told you to explore....

Origin, purpose, and limitation....

Maynman:

See this yahweh worshipper lol
It is baseless to you because you don’t reason, you don’t even what etymology means or is it “entomology ni”

You mean yahweh is satan and satan is yawheh.
Others Gods will differ on that.

I never said anything about “etymology of philosophy”.
And what has etymology got to do with different philosophy of knowledge?
Do you know what “etymology” means? Why not first research that.
You are not coherent anymore.
Arrant rubbish, i told you to start reasoning.

FreeSpirited:

Can you fast for 21 days?
No use of social media, Nairaland, no Facebook, no twitter, no sex, no porn.. nothing
Just u alone, and scripture, and psalms, and listening to some selected sermon on YouTube and listening to Christian songs...no worldly song or unnecessary association and stupidd argument.
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Can u do that for 21 days? Or 7 days with humility?...u will only eat by 6pm in the evening...and continue the routine for 7 or 21 days...You need it to clear your thought process.
We are talking of important matter u are arguing etymology and literal meaning of philosophy....very baseless argument to what I told you to do.
Naso devil dey always block una head....when someone is saying A, you will bring unrelated Z so that we can be moving in circles.....
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The son of Man has come to destroy the work of the devil in this world.
Na devil dey rule this world and all the imperfect knowledge u think u can acquire in this world.
It Is nothing. It takes u no where, it will perish here as much as it will lead u to destruction by building your soul and self-worth on them.
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Seek the ultimate knowledge that will give u true insight....not incomplete knowledge...

Maynman:

Yahweh worshipper, You are getting emotional now and you are just talking with feelings and no common sense.
All what you described I should do is a sign of indoctrination meant to brainwash people into slavery.
You are sounding like a cultist.

I don’t want a “ ultimate knowledge” that requires faith and not reasoning.
Why are you using incomplete knowledge to communicate, why don’t you use your ultimate knowledge like they did in biblical times to communicate.
You are a hypocrite!

FreeSpirited:

MaxInDHouse:

All you need is a one on one free home Bible study with the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) Malachi 3:16
There are lots of questions locked up in your heart that needed answers {Matthew 7:7-8 compare to Proverbs 2:1-5} but simply looking at the religions around you and reading stuffs in books or internet will only complicate issues.

GOOD and EVIL wouldn't have existed if all humans live by the standard God set in the beginning.
Whatever you want to do make sure you get the best out of it to satisfy your curiosity but never set standards for others neither force your opinion or desire on your fellowman! Genesis 2:17
This is the Genesis of mankind's problems till today, as most people often feel like setting up standards and imposing it on their neighbours! Ecclesiastes 8:9

Apart from this there is nothing called GOOD or EVIL if all you're doing is within yourself without affecting others at all! Matthew 7:12

FreeSpirited:

You dey mind them...
All those baby philosophers that devil has blocked their spiritual eyesight.
.
Philosophy and science is the most useless and limited way of knowing God. Fooolish immortals thinking they are wise...

FreeSpirited:

.
Science is just an infinitesimal fraction of knowledge in the grand scheme of knowing, gotten through the senses and revealed by certain low cadre angels in many cases.....
.
Some of this ignorant boys don't even know science has its realm in the low level of the spiritual...but they will come here to spew jargons and philosophy they don't even have idea.
And believe is the ultimate knowledge.....lost souls.

FreeSpirited:
What you guys need is humility....and acceptance of the limitation of Man...that's the first step to knowledge.
(Anyway, I was like that before. His eyes will open someday)

LordReed:


Actually, you rather sound like you are full of yourself.