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Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 3:28pm On Jun 03, 2023
The Lopsided Belief Among Nigerian Pentecostals That a Pastor Must Have a Spiritual Father is Worrisome. Here's the punchline: most Nigerian Pentecostals are so religious, they are bandwagoners. They try to lowball you into believing that a pastor who wasn't mentored by a man of God is fake.ย  So, to conform to this man-made standard, many pastors run to submit ingenuinely to pastors who they perceive bigger than them.

Thank God for the Holy Bible which according to T.B. Joshua is the standard for our lives, Christians would have devolved Christianity. The erroneous teaching in the body of Christ aboutย โ€œspiritual fathersโ€ย  assumes that those who donโ€™t have aย โ€œspiritual fatherโ€ย are lacking, and that those who donโ€™t feel they want or need aย โ€œspiritual fatherโ€ย have anย โ€œorphan spirit,โ€ย or a spirit of slavery. This kind of teaching misses these fundamental gospel truths Paul gives us in Romans:

Romans 8:14-17 (KJV)ย For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ.

These are the insightful questions we should be asking:ย โ€œWho was Noahโ€™s spiritual father, who was Mosesโ€™ spiritual father, Elijahโ€™s spiritual father, Danielโ€™s spiritual father, or Paulโ€™s spiritual father?โ€ย The assumption that every pastor or even every believer needs to have aย โ€œspiritual fatherโ€ย leads us into blasphemy.

The Apostle Paul fka Saul who wrote two-thirds of the New Testament didn't have no spiritual father but was a spiritual father to Timothy and Titus, as well as others who were born again under his ministry. โ€œFor though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel โ€ (1 Corinthians 4:15). Paul often describes himself as a spiritual father to those who trust in Christ as a result of his ministry. He uses this metaphor-spiritual father both to describe his love for those under his care and to claim some amount of responsibility and authority in their lives (1 Corinthians 4:15).

As in the case of Paul, there's nothing compared to when ELOHIM Himself puts his unction to function on you, he backs you up. Noah, Moses, Elijah, Daniel, Paul operated in this realm. Also in the latter days, Prophet T.B Joshua who was an end-time General operated in this realm, this was one of the reasons the Pharisees-like Christian bodies in Nigeria never publicly acknowledged him, whereas, most of them acknowledged him secretly. All these wrong teachings in the body of Christ must stop. If Yeshua came to this world during this era of hypocrisy, Nigerian Christians would outright reject him as the Messiah, they would claim he has no human โ€œspiritual fatherโ€.ย 

By not reading the Holy Bible like Literature, through the help of Holy Spirit, one would know that it's biblical to have a human spiritual father but not mandatory. God has elevated Nigeria as the face of Christianity in the whole world. The glory used to be on England, then The United States, it's now on Nigeria. Prophet T.B Joshua mentored The Wisemen, Akindayomi/Oral Roberts mentored E.A. Adeboye, Pastor E.A. Adeboye is the spiritual father to Bishop David Oyedepo, Apostle Johnson Suleman etc. Bishop David Oyedepo is the spiritual father to Dr. Chris Okafor, Pastor Biodun Fatoyinbo, Dr. Pastor Paul Enenche, Pastor David Ibiyeomie etc. Dr. Paul Enenche is the spiritual father to Pastor Ntia Ntia.

I put it to you that it's not mandatory for a pastor to have another pastor he submits to, and there are some whom God commissioned to submit to spiritual fathers. God is so dynamic in such a way that his doings can't be fully comprehended by we humans.ย  GOD is our all-sufficient FATHER, but when itโ€™s erroneously believed that every Christian must find a humanย โ€œspiritual fatherโ€, the implication is that they are fatherless if they do not have one! This totally misses the abundance of Scripture pointing conclusively to God as our all-sufficient father.

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Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by woginid967: 3:34pm On Jun 03, 2023
So you're TB joshua abi

Those wisemen under him call him father

Paul whom you quoted called Timothy son...


See go and spend time in prayer and dont come here to manifested your ignorance
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 4:10pm On Jun 03, 2023
TemplarLandry:
[โ– The Lopsided Belief Among Nigerian Pentecostals That a Pastor Must Have a Spiritual Father is Worrisome. Here's the punchline: most Nigerian Pentecostals are so religious, they are bandwagoners. They try to lowball you into believing that a pastor who wasn't mentored by a man of God is fake.ย  To conform to this man-made standard, many pastors run to submit ingenuinely to pastors who they perceive bigger than them.
Thank God for the Holy Bible which according to T.B. Joshua is the standard for our lives, Christians would have devolved Christianity. The erroneous teaching in the body of Christ aboutย โ€œspiritual fathersโ€ย  assumes that those who donโ€™t have aย โ€œspiritual fatherโ€ย are lacking, and that those who donโ€™t feel they want or need aย โ€œspiritual fatherโ€ย  have anย โ€œorphan spirit,โ€ย or a spirit of slavery. This kind of teaching misses these fundamental gospel truths Paul gives us in Romans:
Romans 8:14-17 (KJV)ย For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ.
These are the insightful questions we should be asking:ย โ€œWho was Noahโ€™s spiritual father, who was Mosesโ€™ spiritual father, Elijahโ€™s spiritual father, Danielโ€™s spiritual father, or Paulโ€™s spiritual father?โ€ย  The assumption that every pastor or even every believer needs to have aย โ€œspiritual fatherโ€ย leads us into blasphemy.
The Apostle Paul fka Saul who wrote two-thirds of the New Testament didn't have no spiritual father but was a spiritual father to Timothy and Titus, as well as others who were born again under his ministry. โ€œFor though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel โ€ (1 Corinthians 4:15). Paul often describes himself as a spiritual father to those who trust in Christ as a result of his ministry. He uses this metaphor-spiritual father both to describe his love for those under his care and to claim some amount of responsibility and authority in their lives (1 Corinthians 4:15).
There's nothing compared to when ELOHIM Himself puts his unction to function on you, he backs you up. Noah, Moses, Elijah, Daniel, Paul operated in this realm. Also in the latter days, Prophet T.B Joshua who was an end-time General operated in this realm, this was one of the reasons the Pharisees-like Christian bodies in Nigeria never publicly acknowledged him, whereas, most of them acknowledged him secretly. All these wrong teachings in the body of Christ must stop. If Yeshua came to this world during this era of hypocrisy, Nigerian Christians would outright reject him as the Messiah, they would claim he has no human โ€œspiritual fatherโ€.ย 
It's biblical to have a human spiritual father but this is not mandatory. God has elevated Nigeria as the face of Christianity in the whole world. The glory used to be on England, then The United States, it's now on Nigeria. Prophet T.B Joshua mentored The Wisemen, Akindayomi/Oral Roberts mentored EA Adeboye, Pastor E.A. Adeboye is the spiritual father to Bishop David Oyedepo, Apostle Johnson Suleman etc. Bishop David Oyedepo is the spiritual father to Dr. Chris Okafor, Pastor Biodun Fatoyinbo, Dr. Pastor Paul Enenche, Pastor David Ibiyeomie etc. Dr. Paul Enenche is the spiritual father to Pastor Ntia Ntia.
I put it to you that it's not mandatory for a pastor to have another pastor he submits to, and there are some whom God commissioned to submit to spiritual fathers. God is so dynamic in such a way that his doings can't be fully comprehended by we humans.ย  GOD is our all-sufficient FATHER, but when itโ€™s erroneously believed that every Christian must find a humanย โ€œspiritual fatherโ€ย , the implication is that they are fatherless if they do not have one! This totally misses the abundance of Scripture pointing conclusively to God as our all-sufficient father.
Jesus Christ, the one you all pretend you are connected to, said there are absolutely no humans are Spiritual fathers in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10. But here you insist that not only is Jesus Christ wrong but all the other religious people who don't think as you do are equally wrong? LOL... Many of you, una own don pass be careful. grin
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by larryking78(m): 10:53pm On Jun 03, 2023
God respects Fatherhood.
The voice of a good Father is a leading to a fulfilled path in life, cos when you lose spiritual signal for any reason the Fathers , the Elder can agree with you for divine intervention.

The spirit realm is lonely but you shouldn't get lost too early when there are ready made helpers like Fathers around you who could guide you from spiritual merrigorounding.
Physically speaking , The Father figure in a child's life is too important. Why do you think some children misbehave in the society? The path a child will take in life is too important to leave him unguided at least to a certain extent.
So readjust your thinking faculty to accommodate, accept correction, teach the younger ones that Fatherhood is IMPORTANT
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 10:57pm On Jun 03, 2023
larryking78:
โ–  God respects Fatherhood.
The voice of a good Father is a leading to a fulfilled path in life, cos when you lose spiritual signal for any reason the Fathers , the Elder can agree with you for divine intervention. The spirit realm is lonely but you shouldn't get lost too early when there are ready made helpers like Fathers around you who could guide you from spiritual merrigorounding
Ready made Helpers who take the place of God's very own Spirit? Interesting! Not only do you replied Jesus Christ with your pastors and mogs, you also replace God's own spirit with your so-called ready made helpers. So why bother with the Kingdom of God to begin with when is seems the kingdoms of your pastors and mogs is of best fit for you? undecided

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Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by larryking78(m): 11:06pm On Jun 03, 2023
Kobojunkie:
Ready made Helpers who take the place of God's very own Spirit? Interesting! Not only do you replied Jesus Christ with your pastors and mogs, you also replace God's own spirit with your so-called ready made helpers. So why bother with the Kingdom of God to begin with when is seems the kingdoms of your pastors and mogs is of best fit for you? undecided

First, get it right. My pastors are ordinary men like everyone else, if anyman stands to say he's this n that, that's his cup of Tea.

My point is, as a believer, who just accepted Christ, that person, not you, need spiritual maturity and guidance from those above him. If anyone of such category are not comfortable with the teaching should leave and locate a Bible believing, fathful, committed place to worship.

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Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 2:32am On Jun 04, 2023
larryking78:
โ–  First, get it right. My pastors are ordinary men like everyone else, if anyman stands to say he's this n that, that's his cup of Tea.

My point is, as a believer, who just accepted Christ, that person, not you, need spiritual maturity and guidance from those above him. If anyone of such category are not comfortable with the teaching should leave and locate a Bible believing, fathful, committed place to worship.
1. According to you, these ordinary men occupy pretty much the roles meant only for God and His Spirit in your lives meaning you are content with haven ordinary men instead. undecided

2. According to Jesus Christ, He alone is Teacher, counselor, guide, Helper , etc., to those who have accepted Him. That you rather need your ordinary men to sit as spiritual fathers and Helpers to you means you had no need for Jesus Christ in the first place. undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by jesusjnr2020(m): 6:32am On Jun 04, 2023
There's nothing wrong in having a senior spiritual brother who can guide you in the some things because Christ told us we were all brethren, but having a spiritual father is antichrist since Christ Himself said we all have one Father and consequently shouldn't be called fathers ourselves.

It's no surprise that in spite of all the spiritual fatherism in the church, the standard of spirituality in the church has declined to an all time low, because obedience is better than sacrifice.

By the way, TB Joshua was a false prophet so be careful with how you follow him regardless.

God bless
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 2:00am On Jun 05, 2023
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Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 2:02am On Jun 05, 2023
Junkie brother, 1. How long will you suffer yourself to be manipulated by the foul spirit of rebellion and seduction? 2. You had better stop reading the Holy Bible like Literature, hence your inability to decipher the deep messages of God's word, and your haphazard fashion of misquoting the Holy Bible.
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, the one you all pretend you are connected to, said there are absolutely no humans are Spiritual fathers in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10. But here you insist that not only is Jesus Christ wrong but all the other religious people who don't think as you do are equally wrong? LOL... Many of you, una own don pass be careful. grin
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 2:10am On Jun 05, 2023
On this comment of yours, let the Holy Spirit of God answer you. Oh God of Prophet T.B. Joshua, come and defend yourself.
jesusjnr2020:

By the way, TB Joshua was a false prophet so be careful with how you follow him regardless.
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 2:16am On Jun 05, 2023
Just dey play... It's evident you only skimmed all I wrote. Read the write-up fully so as to decipher what Holy Spirit inspired me to write. I didn't send myself.
larryking78:
God respects Fatherhood.
The voice of a good Father is a leading to a fulfilled path in life, cos when you lose spiritual signal for any reason the Fathers , the Elder can agree with you for divine intervention.

The spirit realm is lonely but you shouldn't get lost too early when there are ready made helpers like Fathers around you who could guide you from spiritual merrigorounding.
Physically speaking , The Father figure in a child's life is too important. Why do you think some children misbehave in the society? The path a child will take in life is too important to leave him unguided at least to a certain extent.
So readjust your thinking faculty to accommodate, accept correction, teach the younger ones that Fatherhood is IMPORTANT
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 2:50am On Jun 05, 2023
TemplarLandry:
โ–  brother, 1. How long will you suffer yourself to be manipulated by the foul spirit of rebellion and seduction?
2. You had better stop reading the Holy Bible like Literature, hence your inability to decipher the deep messages of God's word,
โ–  and your haphazard fashion of misquoting the Holy Bible.
1. I am not your brother abeg! I am only related to those who do the will of the Father in Heaven. Clearly, He said He alone is Father to all those who belong to Him but you seem to have yourself other men as fathers meaning we are absolutely not related in any way. undecided

2. I read that book and I see what God says. You claim to read the same book but are completely blind to what God is written to have said. Clearly the book is not the issue but the intentions of the mind reading it. undecided

3. You mean God never said you should absolutely call no man on earth Father? undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 3:07am On Jun 05, 2023
It's ok Junkey Boy. Dey play. Just dey play.
But don't forget to stop reading the Bible like Literature. Then, deep mysteries from God would be demystified unto you. Now dey pray, start to dey pray
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Kobojunkie:
1. I am not your brother abeg! I am only related to those who do the will of the Father in Heaven. undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 3:24am On Jun 05, 2023
TemplarLandry:
โ–  it's ok Junkey Boy. Dey play. Just dey play.
But don't forget to stop reading the Bible like Literature. Then, deep mysteries from God would be demystified unto you. Now dey pray, start to dey pray.
If you were in fact born-again, and following God, you would know there are no such things as deep mysteries from God since He reveals it all to those who belong to Him and much of it is found right there in plaintext. undecided

I asked you before what proof you have that you are born-again? Jesus Christ said all those who are will have proof so what proof did you receive to reveal to you that without a doubt you are indeed born-again- John 3 vs 1 - 21 & Matthew 10 vs 37 - 38? undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 9:45pm On Jun 07, 2023
Heretics like you only know the truth after leaving this world. That's after the demons manipulating you would have accomplished their missions in your life. Continue quoting Bible haphazardly.
Kobojunkie:

I asked you before what proof you have that you are born-again? Jesus Christ said all those who are will have proof so what proof did you receive to reveal to you that without a doubt you are indeed born-again- John 3 vs 1 - 21 & Matthew 10 vs 37 - 38? undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 9:48pm On Jun 07, 2023
TemplarLandry:
โ–  Heretics like you only know the truth when you leave this world. That's after the demons manipulating you would have accomplished their missions in your life. Continue quoting Bible haphazardly.
You know you keep calling me a heretic but you have never been able to prove me one by way of actually sufficiently debating any of the points I keep putting forward. Do you know why? It's because you acknowledge I am a real threat to your claims and hence the reason why you resort to the use of ad hominem whenever you confront me. undecided

I will continue to challenge you with the Truth of God. When you are ready to face it, let me know. undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 10:14pm On Jun 07, 2023
I won't expend my energy on a junkie with a heart of stone, who's bent on antagonizing the knowledge of God. We know your type. You Can't indoctrinate no one here. Ponder on this: 2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
Kobojunkie:
You know you keep calling me a heretic but you have never been able to prove me one by way of actually sufficiently debating any of the points I keep putting forward. Do you know why? It's because you acknowledge I am a real threat to your claims and hence the reason why you resort to the use of ad hominem whenever you confront me. undecided

I will continue to challenge you with the Truth of God. When you are ready to face it, let me know. undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 10:21pm On Jun 07, 2023
TemplarLandry:
โ–  I won't expend my energy on a junkie with a heart of stone, who's bent on antagonizing the knowledge of God.
โ–  We know your type. You Can't indoctrinate no one here. Ponder on this: 2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holdswink 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ
1. The Word of God you keep running away from broaching? undecided

2. Indoctrination would be the forte of you and your many spiritual fathers, not me. I am simply here to expose your many lies which have absolutely nothing to do with any of that declared by God Himself. Take, for instance, this injection of Paul's claims made in 2 Corinthians 10, which you quote clearly without clear understanding.
1 I, Paul, am begging you with the gentleness and the kindness of Christ. Some say that I am bold when I am writing you from a distance, but not when I am there with you.
2 They think our motives for what we do are like those of the world. I plan to be very bold against those people when I come. I hope I will not need to use that same boldness with you.
3 We live in this world, but we donโ€™t fight our battles in the same way the world does.
4 The weapons we use are not human ones. Our weapons have power from God and can destroy the enemyโ€™s strong places. We destroy peopleโ€™s arguments,
5 and we tear down every proud idea that raises itself against the knowledge of God. We also capture every thought and make it give up and obey Christ.
6 We are ready to punish anyone there who does not obey, but first we want you to be fully obedient. - 2 Corinthians 10 vs 1 - 6
Clearly, Paul is instructing you to do exactly what I said earlier which is that you use the Truth of God โ€” the only weapon used by followers of Jesus Christ by the way โ€” to clearly argue your case if you truly believe I am a heretic. undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 10:30pm On Jun 07, 2023
Junkie, keep wallowing in your puddle of ignorance. I've told you already that I won't be expending no energy on you. Keep quoting the Bible haphazardly. Okay?

When you meet your maker, you'll know the truth. As a matter of fact, if you don't stop reading the Bible like a storybook, you'll get to heaven before you know the truth.
Kobojunkie:
1. The Word of God you keep running away from broaching? undecided

2. Indoctrination would be the forte of you and your many spiritual fathers, not me. I am simply here to expose your many lies which have absolutely nothing to do with any of that declared by God Himself. Take, for instance, this injection of Paul's claims made in 2 Corinthians 10, which you quote clearly without clear understanding. Clearly, Paul is instructing you to do exactly what I said earlier which is that you use the Truth of God โ€” the only weapon used by followers of Jesus Christ by the way โ€” to clearly argue your case if you truly believe I am a heretic. undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 10:34pm On Jun 07, 2023
TemplarLandry:
โ– Junkie, keep wallowing in your puddle of ignorance. I've told you already that I won't be expending no energy on you. Keep quoting the Bible haphazardly. Okay?
โ– When you meet your maker, you'll know the truth. As a matter of fact, until you stop reading the Bible like a storybook, you'll get to heaven before you know the truth.
1. You quoted from 2 Corinthians 10 at me. I simply posted what it says to show that you don't seem to grasp the message contained since Paul was saying exactly what I had been telling you you ought to do which is that you stand by the Truth of God in your claim that I am a heretic. undecided

2. My Maker lives in me already and He bears witness that I am not a heretic hence the reason why I can boldly speak His Truth at you and cast down your false strongholds(lies) and arguments, just as Paul said he too did in 2 Corinthians 10. So? undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 10:43pm On Jun 07, 2023
Ponder on the word when you're sober.
Kobojunkie:
1. You quoted from 2 Corinthians 10 at me. I simply posted what it says to show that you don't seem to grasp the message contained since Paul was saying exactly what I had been telling you you ought to do which is that you stand by the Truth of God in your claim that I am a heretic. undecided

2. My Maker lives in me already and He bears witness that I am not a heretic hence the reason why I can boldly speak His Truth at you and cast down your false strongholds(lies) and arguments, just as Paul said he too did in 2 Corinthians 10. So? undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 10:44pm On Jun 07, 2023
TemplarLandry:
โ– Ponder on the word when you're sober.
The word that already reveals it is against you? grin

Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 10:46pm On Jun 07, 2023
God loves you.
Kobojunkie:
The word that already reveals it is against you? grin
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 10:51pm On Jun 07, 2023
TemplarLandry:
God loves you.
Indeed, God loves me because I obey His commandments and teachings - John 15 vs 9 - 11. God says He loves only those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments, and I can definitively state that I accept and obey His every teaching and commandment โ€” God's Truth and weapon which I use to cast down every lying argument and stronghold โ€”hence I am indeed loved by Him. undecided
7 You must look at the facts before you. If you feel sure you belong to Christ, you must remember that we belong to Christ the same as you do.
8 It may seem as though we boast too much about the authority the Lord gave us. But he gave us this authority to strengthen you, not to hurt you. So I will not be ashamed of whatever boasting we do.
9 I donโ€™t want you to think that I am trying to scare you with my letters.
10 Some people say, โ€œPaulโ€™s letters are powerful and sound important, but when he is with us, he is weak and the worst speaker you have ever heard.โ€
11 Those people should know this: When we are there with you, we will show the same power that we show now in our letters. - 2 Corinthians 10 vs 7 - 11

Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 10:58pm On Jun 07, 2023
God be with you.
Kobojunkie:
Indeed, God loves me because I obey His commandments and teachings - [b]John 15 vs 9 - 11
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 11:02pm On Jun 07, 2023
TemplarLandry:
โ–  God be with you.
Do you tell God what to do or something? undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 11:25pm On Jun 07, 2023
Now I know your problem isn't only spiritual, you also don't know semantics. Now I know why you always find it hard to understand the Bible. Isn't God wonderful?
Kobojunkie:
Do you tell God what to do or something? undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 11:33pm On Jun 07, 2023
TemplarLandry:
โ–  Now I know your problem isn't only spiritual, you also don't know semantics. Now I know why you always find it hard to understand the Bible. Isn't God wonderful?
Speaking as though you decide what God will do is semantics? The nerves of you religious folks is beyond me. I don't say words like " God bless you" to just about anyone out there because I do not decide by my whim whom God will bless. undecided

I also do not say things like "God loves you" to pretty much anyone because God Himself said He only loves those who obey His teachings and commandments so it would be a force to tell a one who does not already obey God that he/zhe is loved by God. undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by TemplarLandry: 11:41pm On Jun 07, 2023
God be with you.
Kobojunkie:
Speaking as though you decide what God will do is semantics? The nerves of you religious folks is beyond me. I don't say words like " God bless you" to just about anyone out there because I do not decide by my whim whom God will bless. undecided

I also do not say things like "God loves you" to pretty much anyone because God Himself said He only loves those who obey His teachings and commandments so it would be a force to tell a one who does not already obey God that he/zhe is loved by God. undecided
Re: Nigerian Pentecostals Believe That A Pastor Must Have A Spiritual Father by Kobojunkie: 11:46pm On Jun 07, 2023
TemplarLandry:
God be with you.
God does not need your permission or say as He has been with me 24/7 since October of 2017. undecided

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