nams77:
People of those days live veeeerry long. Don't you think Adam had other children who also had children and who may grow up to still meet Cain?
Isn't that possible?
I have tasted Jehovah on a personal level and nothing will make my doubt him- consistency or inconsistency! EOD

nams77:
People of those days live veeeerry long. Don't you think Adam had other children who also had children and who may grow up to still meet Cain?
Isn't that possible?
I have tasted Jehovah on a personal level and nothing will make my doubt him- consistency or inconsistency! EOD

Lucifyre:
Normally you hear the bible is God's word given and written by divine inspiration, so most people take it as God's words literally which it is said to be. So if it's God's words and "God is not an author of confusion", wouldn't the bible literally NOT contradict itself?! So i wanted to do the whole bible in a year thing and ive began to notice some things just don't add up and in good faith i'ld like open minded christians(those who read their bibles not my pastor said), if there are any here to explain these things to me.

I think most of these contradictions have contributed to the several denominations(10,000+) of Christianity even though they claim to hear from one God. They have different doctrines and interpret the bible differntly while hearing from the same God. With the massive irony being that they don't even agree with the religion where they originated from which is Judaism as jews don't believe in Jesus and Jesus was a jew so they stick to the old testament. Even christians generally don't unanimously agree on the books included in the bible. Some are totally removed while some extraz are added in some denominations e.g Catholic

Sorry for the tangent but anyways the main iss is i'm trying to make sense of some of these things that don't add up or are contradictions. I'll share one today to discuss and more later.

According to the bible, Adam was the first man on earth, while Eve the first woman. They birhted the first procreated people Cain and Abel. We all know what went down between them. After cain killed Abel, God cursed him and put a mark on him. Here's the part i can't explain (GEN 4 v 13-16). Cain made the following statement: "Whoever finds me would kill me" and God responded “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

If they're the first people on earth who are these other people that are being referred to that could find and kill Cain

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Adam lived for 930 years (Genesis 5:5)... don't you think that he fathered many children, who in turn fathered many children and children within those centuries and beyond... some of whom would be Cain's contemporaries who could pose this harm to him especially if he would live for hundreds of years himself.

The entire word of GOD is harmonious and consistent... so try, by GOD's grace to look for reasons to believe rather than to doubt.... childlike faith is necessary, not flawed human assertions based in pride or ignorance.

"To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled." - Titus 1:15

"The words of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times." - Psalm 12:6

Lucifyre:
According to the bible, Adam was the first man on earth, while Eve the first woman. They birhted the first procreated people Cain and Abel. We all know what went down between them. After cain killed Abel, God cursed him and put a mark on him. Here's the part i can't explain (GEN 4 v 13-16). Cain made the following statement: "Whoever finds me would kill me" and God responded “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. If they're the first people on earth who are these other people that are being referred to that could find and kill Cain

Lucifyre:

1.) Who did Cain and Seth get married to? Its two things its either there were other people which contradicts the story or they married and slept with their sisters as they were the only ones on earth which is a sin and contradicts according to Leviticus 20:19. Was incest not a sin then or it became one later. Did God change his mind? Does he change his mind?

Lucifyre:
2.) The number of pairs of clean animals that God told Noah to take into the Ark? Genesis 6:19 - 20 says 2, Genesis 7:2 says 7. That's not harmonious and consistent is it??

17 “Understand what I am telling you. I will bring a great flood of water on the earth. I will destroy all living things that live under heaven. Everything on the earth will die.
18 I will make a special agreement with you. You, your wife, your sons, and their wives will all go into the boat.
19 Also, you will take two of every living thing on the earth with you into the boat. Take a male and female of every kind of animal so that they might survive with you.
20 Two of every kind of bird, animal, and creeping thing will come to you so that you might keep them alive.
21 Also bring every kind of food into the boat, for you and for the animals.” - Genesis 6 vs 17 - 21

1. Then the Lord said to Noah, “I have seen that you are a good man, even among the evil people of this time. So gather your family, and all of you go into the boat.
2 Get seven pairs (seven males and seven females) of every kind of clean animal. And get one pair (one male and one female) of every other animal on the earth. Lead all these animals into the boat with you.
3 Get seven pairs (seven males and seven females) of all the birds. This will allow all these animals to continue living on the earth after the other animals are destroyed. - Genesis 7 vs 1 - 3

Lucifyre:
3.) In GEN 6 v 3, God reduced the life span of man to 120yrs. But in Gen 11 v 12 -16 in events after the reduction, it lists a lot of people that lived past 120...
■ So... Quite contradictory... Or did God change his mind. Does he change his mind?

Lucifyre:
Normally you hear the bible is God's word given and written by divine inspiration, so most people take it as God's words literally which it is said to be. So if it's God's words and "God is not an author of confusion", wouldn't the bible literally NOT contradict itself?! So i wanted to do the whole bible in a year thing and ive began to notice some things just don't add up and in good faith i'ld like open minded christians(those who read their bibles not my pastor said), if there are any here to explain these things to me.

I think most of these contradictions have contributed to the several denominations(10,000+) of Christianity even though they claim to hear from one God. They have different doctrines and interpret the bible differntly while hearing from the same God. With the massive irony being that they don't even agree with the religion where they originated from which is Judaism as jews don't believe in Jesus and Jesus was a jew so they stick to the old testament. Even christians generally don't unanimously agree on the books included in the bible. Some are totally removed while some extraz are added in some denominations e.g Catholic

Sorry for the tangent but anyways the main iss is i'm trying to make sense of some of these things that don't add up or are contradictions. I'll share one today to discuss and more later.

According to the bible, Adam was the first man on earth, while Eve the first woman. They birhted the first procreated people Cain and Abel. We all know what went down between them. After cain killed Abel, God cursed him and put a mark on him. Here's the part i can't explain (GEN 4 v 13-16). Cain made the following statement: "Whoever finds me would kill me" and God responded “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

If they're the first people on earth who are these other people that are being referred to that could find and kill Cain

Wilgrea7:



It helps if you see the bible as what it is, which is a collection of books, rather than a single unit.

The bible is a collection of books written by different authors and compiled over time. Claims of divine inspiration are about as useful as sprinkling magic dust over it. It's just a claim, made by one, or a few books in there, which is interpreted to make the entire collection seem more credible.

Simply put, it's a meaningless claim.

In addition to that, I think another mistake you're making is trying to treat genesis as a historical book. Claims made by the book, and any other book must first the proven and substantiated before they can be accepted as true.

So far, we've found zero evidence of the claims about humans or creation in general made by the authors of the book of genesis

Kobojunkie:
As for these, rather than a contradiction, what I instead see is a continuation as far as instructions given by God to the man Noah.
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I like to read these instead as a set of rules that ought to be compiled together, not read or taken separately. You can sort of see this in the fact that the rules given in Genesis 6 vs 19 are repeated in the context of Genesis 7 vs 1 - 3, even as more details/rules are also specified.

■ Take two of every living thing on the earth with you into the boat - Genesis 6 vs 19a & Genesis 7 vs 2b
■ Take a male and female of every kind of animal so that they might survive with you. - Genesis 6 vs 19b & Genesis 7 vs 2b
■ Get seven pairs (seven males and seven females) of every kind of clean animal. - Genesis 7 vs 2a
■ Get seven pairs (seven males and seven females) of all the birds - Genesis 7 vs 3

Kobojunkie:
Very good question which I myself have pondered on several occasions and tried to reason. What I have come to accept is rather that God's plan as far as implementation of His 120 years maximum progressed in what seemed a drawdown, than an absolute cutback from just less than 1000 to 120 years. God decreased the lifespan of man over time until His agreement with the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan was ratified. At that time, even Moses was taken off the board when he turned 120 — refused entry into the land of Canaan at exactly that age— He died at 120.

2. So again, I would not go as far as to claim this a contradiction since what He did say did take place only it didn't take place when and how we expected it to. It wasn't as though God said exactly how it would be implemented by the way.

Lucifyre:
explain away" any real contradictions which I admit exist in the book of books. Rather, my goal is to id■So from ur comments i can see ur arguments are based on good faith and u understand the context in the production of the bible and accept that context is valid. I appreciate that. See my prev comment to the other guy. Acceptance of that context doesn't necessarily jive with traditional Christian beliefs.
Now u try to explain some of these contradictions away and for some of em you come from the angle of understanding and accepting the context of the production of the bible which most christains push aside. They believe like i already said its divine inspiration and devoid of errors and dismiss any context whatsoever. That's the angle im expecting a from. The super religious christain response, if im making sense. Traditional christain beliefs or school of thought.
■ But even ur nuanced context based response doesn't necessarily explain these contradictions away. It just boxes u into another contradiction of traditional christian belifs. Ok... About the Ark, u said its a continuation of instructions.... Agreed.
◍Does that mean Noah does what he wants and disobeys these instructions and does what he wants or did God make a mistake and change his mind?? Cause it wad still 2 animals that went in??
◍ For the incest part about Cain and Seth.. That doesn't jive too. If not ur saying God changes his mind. Does God change his mind?? Which would be admitting he made a mistake. Does God make mistakes, especially when he's all knowing and knows the end from tge beginning according to the bible??

con·tra·dic·tion
noun
◍ a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
◍ a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present.
◍ the statement of a position opposite to one already made.

6b Noah was 600 years old at the time the rains came.
7 He and his family went into the boat to be saved from the flood. His wife and his sons and their wives were on the boat with him.
8 All the clean animals, all the other animals on the earth, the birds, and everything that crawls on the earth
9 went into the boat with Noah. These animals went into the boat in groups of two, male and female, just as God commanded.
10 Seven days later the flood started. The rain began to fall on the earth. - Genesis 7 vs 6b - 10

Lucifyre:
■ I like this train of thought. It's not really fact though more like your hypothesis but its a good one to explain if not for the fact Caleb lived 130yrs.

Lucifyre:
Normally you hear the bible is God's word given and written by divine inspiration, so most people take it as God's words literally which it is said to be. So if it's God's words and "God is not an author of confusion", wouldn't the bible literally NOT contradict itself?! So i wanted to do the whole bible in a year thing and ive began to notice some things just don't add up and in good faith i'ld like open minded christians(those who read their bibles not my pastor said), if there are any here to explain these things to me.

According to the bible, Adam was the first man on earth, while Eve the first woman. They birhted the first procreated people Cain and Abel. We all know what went down between them. After cain killed Abel, God cursed him and put a mark on him. Here's the part i can't explain (GEN 4 v 13-16). Cain made the following statement: "Whoever finds me would kill me" and God responded “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

If they're the first people on earth who are these other people that are being referred to that could find and kill Cain

Girlee:
Uhmm!!
How well do you understand the scriptures? If I'm to make you understand, you should be a good bible student.
Well, I believe you must have heard people say "before men, there were men"?
Yeah! That's true.
Those men were giants, they were on the earth around that time. So the scriptures could have referred to them.

Kobojunkie:
What you claim is not at all of Scripture. I suggest you open your eyes and mind to what is in fact written as opposed to that which is of the imagination and not recorded therein.

Girlee:
■ You remember why God had to reduce the lifespan of man? Genesis 6:2-4 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The NIV version would put it as: "... when the Nephilims were on earth..."
What's the meaning of the word Nephilim? (Gen. 6:4; Num. 13:33, R.V.), giants, the Hebrew word left untranslated by the Revisers, the name of one of the Canaanitish tribes. The Revisers have, however, translated the Hebrew gibborim, in Gen. 6:4, "mighty men."
As it is written, those Giants (sons of God), had carnal knowledge of the daughters of men and those daughters gave birth to Mighty men (giants) in manly form.
■ Goliath was from a race of giants. Elhanan was also a giant who killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath. I'd love to add this:
■ You need to know that the bible is a book for men and it expires. It would expire when the world comes to an end. You can't know much about God, where he's from, and stuffs like that by reading the Bible. It speaks on how our worlds were created. The heavens and the earth. Heaven is for man, earth is also for man. And one more thing, God's words shouldn't be questioned. He doesn't make mistakes. He's perfect. If he says "this is this" then that's it for me.

1 - 4 The number of people on earth continued to increase. When these people had daughters, the sons of God saw how beautiful they were. So they chose the women they wanted. They married them, and the women had their children.
Then the Lord said, “People are only human. I will not let my Spirit be troubled by them forever. I will let them live only 120 years.” During this time and also later, the Nephilim people lived in the land. They have been famous as powerful soldiers since ancient times.
5 The Lord saw that the people on the earth were very evil. He saw that they thought only about evil things all the time.
6 The Lord was sorry that he had made people on the earth. It made him very sad in his heart.
7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy all the people I created on the earth. I will destroy every person and every animal and everything that crawls on the earth. And I will destroy all the birds in the air because I am sorry that I have made them.” - Genesis 6 vs 1 - 7

Kobojunkie:
Here's a mistake that most make going to read from Scripture, you go in expecting it to conform to a story you have been fed about what is written in it.

Here are some ideas that are not expressed in the above passage which you seem to take with you.
■ Nowhere in the passage above does it state that the sons of God did evil against God when they took for themselves wives of the daughters of men
■ Nowhere in the above passage is it written that God chose to punish mankind because of the actions of the Sons of God. Pay close attention to what God is written to have said in verse 1-4, "People are all human..." Even after the matings with the Sons of God, the people remained all human— not Sons of God, but all human.
■ The Nephilim, mentioned in that passage bear no direct connection, to the Sons of God. Rather they are connected to the ancients, most likely Adam himself or his direct descendants.

2. Every race we have on earth today can be traced back to pretty much the same ancestry. Why do you conveniently exclude the race of giants from this same?

Lucifyre:
4.) About the laws of Moses been usefu? Yes “All scripture is... profitable...” 2 Timothy 3:16. No. “ . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18). Which is it?

Girlee:
■ One thing I know is this. The Bible doesn't contradict itself. You just haven't read with an understanding.
■ You should yield into the ministry of the Holy Spirit. He's a good teacher.
■ The Bible isn't a story book you read and question anyhow. It's complete and perfect. We just need help from the Holy Spirit to understand certain things.
■ It's not wise to argu on what God has said.

Girlee:
■ Maybe you should read from another version of the bible. Yours could be one of those Bibles that have been tampered with. The type that some people would intentionally omit words from.
King James version:
Genesis 6:1-5
■ [size=12pt]And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
■ And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
■ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Check it out by yourself. If you're not satisfied with the King James Version, you should try the New International Version (NIV)[/size]

Lucifyre:
5.) No one has ever seen God 1 John 4:12

No man has seen or can see God 1 Timothy 6:16

But The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day Genesis 18:1.

The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend Exodus 33:11.

Kobojunkie:
Very good question which I myself have pondered on several occasions and tried to reason. What I have come to accept is rather that God's plan as far as implementation of His 120 years maximum progressed in what seemed a drawdown, than an absolute cutback from just less than 1000 to 120 years. God decreased the lifespan of man over time until His agreement with the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan was ratified. At that time, even Moses was taken off the board when he turned 120 — refused entry into the land of Canaan at exactly that age— He died at 120.

2. So again, I would not go as far as to claim this a contradiction since what He did say did take place only it didn't take place when and how we expected it to. It wasn't as though God said exactly how it would be implemented by the way.

Aemmyjah:
■ You tried commendably well here. Even today, there are men that surpassed 120 years. Abraham who was born long after tge flood was past 120 years. His father was born past 120 years.

God's word at Genesis 6:3 is a judicial decree especially when yiu notice the context cos it was at the peak of man's wickedness before the flood. He set a time period in which the pre-Flood population could continue dwelling upon the earth before the destruction of the vast majority of them. This was not a statement regarding the average human lifespan. It was a judicial decree in which Jehovah declared when he would act to cleanse the earth of ungodliness. It was a simple expression of God's purpose or determination.

For more information as to the date and sequences to the flood, calculated from chronological times in the Bible, click
https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=2010928

Girlee:
One thing I know is this.
The Bible doesn't contradict itself. You just haven't read with an understanding.
You should yield into the ministry of the Holy Spirit. He's a good teacher.
The Bible isn't a story book you read and question anyhow.
It's complete and perfect. We just need help from the Holy Spirit to understand certain things.

It's not wise to argu on what God has said.