Hello everyone. Been a while.

So the subject of morality is one that gets brought up here quite often. The whole point of this religion thing, is to do the right thing so hopefully you can get into some sort of sky mansion after you die. you know the drift.

People usually like to argue that morality, or definitions of right and wrong, come from a god. One that's still yet to be proven tho, but that's besides the point.

I'd like to ask a different question this time. Not where morality comes from, but where it SHOULD come from.

When it comes to the definition of right and wrong, where should we ultimately be looking to define it? What things do we need to consider in making such decisions, and why?

The floor is open. I'd like to hear your thoughts and views, and hopefully share a bit of mine in the process.

A follow up question. For people who believe morality comes from a god.. why? Assuming gods exist, what makes them qualified to be able to dictate our moral laws? And if they do, what makes these laws themselves right?

If the government of a country passes a law that's incredibly harmful to the citizens, like the chopping off of fingers, does that make the law itself good? Or in other words, why is the law good, or bad?

For people who claim their god is qualified because it is all-knowing, how exactly do you know? How can anyone who doesn't know something, be sure that someone else knows everything?

A man/woman can decide to be a morally good person. It comes from the individual.

Cassandraloius:
A man/woman can decide to be a morally good person. It comes from the individual.

But what does it mean to be a morally good person? What qualities or actions do you consider morally good? and why? Where does a person's sense of "good" come from. Where should it come from?

It should come from home (parents) but unfortunately most modern parents do not have that moral values to instill on their offspring. The immorality of today's world started from our homes, some parents do not even know where their kids sleep at night and when kids are exposed to the world too early it'll only take the grace of God to get them back on track and this brings us to where we are today. At my age Dem no born me well to be outside past six, even my movements is still being monitored though it can be frustrating sometimes sha but I've come to understand that they mean well for me.

Morality comes to mind when you're dealing with neighbours, when you're alone inside your room nobody can say whatever you do is immoral so it's when you have to mingle with fellow humans within the community that you must think of morality.
So it's a being who is SUPREME that should tell us how morality should be applied because if you're asking people you'll get more than billions of contradicting opinions which leads to conflicts which in turn leads to wars!

To answer your second question we need to figure out what vital role will morality play in a community.

Well morality will help people from different backgrounds to come to terms on the right standard so that we can all have the same line of thought to condemn what is harmful.

So why must it come from a God or Gods?

Experience they say is the best teacher because someone who has lived longer than you do should be able to tell you where there are pitfalls, so if God/Gods who are eternal truly exist they should know better as in wiser than humans whose lifespan is lesser than 100 years!

IconicR:
It should come from home (parents) but unfortunately most modern parents do not have that moral values to instill on their offspring. The immorality of today's world started from our homes, some parents do not even know where their kids sleep at night and when kids are exposed to the world too early it'll only take the grace of God to get them back on track and this brings us to where we are today. At my age Dem no born me well to be outside past six, even my movements is still being monitored though it can be frustrating sometimes sha but I've come to understand that they mean well for me.

Where do parents then get their morality from? Is it from their parents as well?

If a person's parent tells them stealing from the poor lady in the store across the street is a good thing, does that make it so?

What makes a thing truly good? Where does our sense of what is good come from? Where should it come from?

Been a while Maximus. How are you

MaxInDHouse:
Morality comes to mind when you're dealing with neighbours, when you're alone inside your room nobody can say whatever you do is immoral so it's when you have to mingle with fellow humans within the community that you must think of morality.
So it's a being who is SUPREME that should tell us how morality should be applied because if you're asking people you'll get more than billions of contradicting opinions which leads to conflicts which in turn leads to wars!

Can a supreme being be wrong in it's moral judgements?

By definition, I consider supreme to be something with the highest level of power. But power doesn't necessarily translate to knowledge or wisdom. So again, can a supreme being be wrong?

If a supreme being says it's right to steal from anyone you see, would that be right? Why or why not? And how did you arrive at the conclusion?

To answer your second question we need to figure out what vital role will morality play in a community.

Well morality will help people from different backgrounds to come to terms on the right standard so that we can all have the same line of thought to condemn what is harmful.

So why must it come from a God or Gods?

Experience they say is the best teacher because someone who has lived longer than you do should be able to tell you where there are pitfalls, so if God/Gods who are eternal truly exist they should know better as in wiser than humans whose lifespan is lesser than 100 years!

What makes a god wiser simply because it lived longer? There are lots of people well into old age today that are still not as wise.

If you're talking about experience, what experience exactly has a god had, that makes it qualified to determine moral laws?

Wilgrea7:
Hello everyone. Been a while.

So the subject of morality is one that gets brought up here quite often. The whole point of this religion thing, is to do the right thing so hopefully you can get into some sort of sky mansion after you die. you know the drift.

People usually like to argue that morality, or definitions of right and wrong, come from a god. One that's still yet to be proven tho, but that's besides the point.

I'd like to ask a different question this time. Not where morality comes from, but where it SHOULD come from.

When it comes to the definition of right and wrong, where should we ultimately be looking to define it? What things do we need to consider in making such decisions, and why?

The floor is open. I'd like to hear your thoughts and views, and hopefully share a bit of mine in the process.

It should come from well-reasoned out thought processes.

Wilgrea7:

Been a while Maximus. How are you

Good morning my friend, i'm fine and you?

Wilgrea7:

Can a supreme being be wrong in it's moral judgements?
By definition, I consider supreme to be something with the highest level of power. But power doesn't necessarily translate to knowledge or wisdom. So again, can a supreme being be wrong?
If a supreme being says it's right to steal from anyone you see, would that be right? Why or why not? And how did you arrive at the conclusion?

Supreme means most powerful, logically the most powerful person can't support stealing because He has all the power to give whatever you have to the person of His choice in multiple folds without that one coming to steal from you.
Solomon became the richest in his time because the Almighty wanted it so but did the man steal from anyone?
NO!
The Almighty knows how to manipulate things in favour of the person of His choice without such one coming to steal from you!

Wilgrea7:

What makes a god wiser simply because it lived longer? There are lots of people well into old age today that are still not as wise.

If you're talking about experience, what experience exactly has a god had, that makes it qualified to determine moral laws?

After sometimes people's brains grow weaker and weaker until they die but eternal beings are not prone to such so their brains are sharp always the only problem is there are many Gods and one Almighty God {1Corinthians 8:5} so while other Gods can be partial the Almighty can never be partial because He has all the powers and nobody can stop Him!

Wilgrea7:
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People usually like to argue that morality, or definitions of right and wrong, come from a god. One that's still yet to be proven tho, but that's besides the point. ...

Stop disgracing yourself. Your threads prove and shows that you still could not offer any counter to the evidences presented.

Wilgrea7:
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I'd like to ask a different question this time. Not where morality comes from, but where it SHOULD come from.

In your own house or room like the one you have or had when in the university, where did morality or imnorality come from? Is it from your neighbour or from your visitor or from your street people?

Wilgrea7:
A follow up question. For people who believe morality comes from a god.. why? Assuming gods exist, what makes them qualified to be able to dictate our moral laws? And if they do, what makes these laws themselves right?..

Hence this question.

In your own house or room like the one you have when in the university, where did morality or imnorality come from? Is it from your neighbour or from your visitor or from your street people?

Government is a pack of the strongest and the most dangerous men in an area who work together to subject and rule over their follow men, hence it is their ability and willingness to do violence and destruction that makes them different from you and i.

So, if they can make laws, i too can make laws, And if i dont have a right to make laws, then they too have no rights ti make it also, hence they are no different as we are all humans, having the same rights and liabilities and culpabilities.

Therefore, morality/immorality (Law) does not come from us most especiallly as the idea of government only came up around 4th BC by the first groups of criminal bandits (Summer Kings who broke The Morals (The Law) on ground already by violently attacking and invading unsuspecting lands that were not even theirs to surbordinate them to rule, just like what boko haram is doing in the north.

And everyone including you, called it wrong and immoral.

So, if boko haram is morally guilty, so therefore are the Summer rulers also guilty, so also are the governments who are like them, also guilty and unlawful.

Thus, the question standing again is where did the Morality, which was on ground before governments came, come from?

And this is where The Only standing Answer is God, again and again!

Cassandraloius:
A man/woman can decide to be a morally good person. It comes from the individual.

This is where the area of Morality is confined to the person.

But he would move post to the Morality like say, in Okoko or Sweden, where would it come from?

Wilgrea7:


But what does it mean to be a morally good person? What qualities or actions do you consider morally good? and why?

Where does a person's sense of "good" come from. Where should it come from?

Isnt it clear that you are the who decides, FOR AND TO YOURSELF the Morality or Immorality. Eg whether stealing is good or giving the hungry is bad? So you can begin stealing since its good to and for you and ofcourse, workch can buy your idea, so he can steal from you as you can steal from him as way of living.

LordReed:


It should come from well-reasoned out thought processes.

You definitely well reasoned it out to become the immoral lying, wicked and evil, twisted soul you are, which is obviously, YOUR Morality.

Nothing is either good or bad, our thinking makes it so.

vdestro:


You definitely well reasoned it out to become the immoral lying, wicked and evil, twisted soul you are, which is obviously, YOUR Morality.

What an amazing self portrait of yourself. Well done!

LMAO!

LordReed:


It should come from well-reasoned out thought processes.

What do you mean by a well reasoned out thought?
Atheism has no basis for morality

Steep:

What do you mean by a well reasoned out thought?
Atheism has no basis for morality

LoLz. You can repeat that till you are blue in the face. Bwahahahahaha!

Thought processes that are based on proper reasoning, taking the facts into consideration.

LordReed:


LoLz. You can repeat that till you are blue in the face. Bwahahahahaha!

Thought processes that are based on proper reasoning, taking the facts into consideration.

When you say proper reasoning, on what standard do you base this "proper reasoning"?

Everywhere: home, schoold, church, mosque, market.....
Righteousness exalts a nation.

Steep:

When you say proper reasoning, on what standard do you base this "proper reasoning"?

Reasoning that doesn't stray into illogical territory.

I believe your conscience and society to a larger extent.

Skyview01:
■ I believe your conscience and society to a larger extent.

Nigerian society for instance?

LordReed:


What an amazing self portrait of yourself. Well done!

LMAO!

Even here and now you prove you are indeed a wicked, lying, evil, twisted person who should be killed.

Kobojunkie:
Nigerian society for instance?

Yes, in a negative way for Nigeria in particular.

vdestro:


Even here and now you prove you are indeed a wicked, lying, evil, twisted person who should be killed.

Bwahahahahaha! Keep showing how you are describing yourself. Don't stop, go on! LMFAO!

LordReed:


Reasoning that doesn't stray into illogical territory.

you are going round in circles.
If there is an illogical territory, it means morality is not subject, right?

Steep:
you are going round in circles.
If there is an illogical territory, it means morality is not subject, right?

Your question is unclear. Morality is not subject to what?

LordReed:


Your question is unclear. Morality is not subject to what?

How do you determine logic? What are the parameters?

Steep:

How do you determine logic? What are the parameters?

You have the internet at your disposal, you look up the laws of logic yourself.

Start here: https://www.britannica.com/topic/laws-of-thought

LordReed:


You have the internet at your disposal, you look up the laws of logic yourself.

Start here: https://www.britannica.com/topic/laws-of-thought

This doesn't answer the question.
Logic deals with what is true or not, what constitute contradiction or not, it does not determine what is moral.

For example,
Mr A has an old rich grandfather who is sick,
Is it logical for Mr A to kill his grandfather and take his wealth, after all his grandfather is old and sick, doing so would.
1. End the misery of grandfather
2. Stop further medical expenses
3. Allow hi focus on his life.

Is logical?
Is it morally right?