Eriokanmi:
■ You don't sound like someone who's a believer of Christ and that makes you either an atheist or a non-Christian. I've read lots of your reactions to several reasonable opinions and posts , including those confirmed and backed by the biblical words and teachings, which you have kicked against here in NL.

Only atheists and non-Christians would behave that way. You could be either of these or both. People don't have to start swearing by their lives before you'd believe any story just because it didn't happen in your presence or it's got no match as your faith or reasoning. Those bible teachings you've attacked here in the past made you more of a non-believer. But God knows how to handle people like you, not me, not any human. Bye

See this one whose trails reeks of a confused babalawo disciple hiding behind the mentions of the name of Jesus Christ pretending that when Jesus Christ said, "By their fruits you shall know them..." , Jesus Christ was somehow speaking also to Him.

UnabashedIPOB:
According to Rev. Mike Okoh, prayers are good, fellowships are good but all these things without handiwork is a waste. Stop wasting your time in the church praying and fasting without engaging in any handiwork. It doesn't work that way. You don't expect God to fall down from heaven and help you when you are not doing something meaningful.

Finally, it is good to see a pastor who can deliver a true message to his followers. It's actually a breath of fresh air to see this because oftentimes, these pastors and so-called men of GOD thrive in lies and deception to rob and steal from their followers. They live a very opulent lifestyle while most of their followers don't even know where their next meal would come from, It boggles the mind to even think that some people would believe the lies that come out of their mouths. How can any person with any brain cells believe that he could fast and pray all day while doing nothing else and expect to sustain his life? Even the Bible that these preachers read and supposedly preach from tells us in 2 Thessalonians chapter 3:10, "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." So, how then can these deceivers and liars from the pit of HELL with a straight be encouraging their followers to sit in church all day fasting and praying in hopes that manna would fall from heaven? I hate to disappoint these sloths, but it does not work. If you do NOT work and you decide to stay home or in your church all freaking day fasting and praying, just like this pastor said, you will die of hunger. Africans especially Nigerians need to understand the principles of life that GOD does not work in a vacuum. Just like in any biological reaction, you must have a substrate, so must you work in other for GOD to bless your handiwork as you fast and pray.

This is what Jesus Christ said of all those who embrace the doctrines and traditions of men, all of whom He said are hypocrites.

7 You are hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he spoke for God about you:
8 ‘These people honor me with their words, but I am not really important to them.
9 Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’” - Matthew 15 vs 7 - 9

...

6 Jesus answered, “You are all hypocrites. Isaiah was right when he wrote these words from God about you:‘These people honor me with their words, but I am not really important to them.
7 Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’
8 You have stopped following God’s commands, preferring instead the man-made rules you got from others.”
9 Then he said, “You show great skill in avoiding the commands of God so that you can follow your own teachings! - Mark 7 vs 6 - 9

Going to church Monday to Sunday I swear you will only be spiritual millionaire but physically and financially very very poor because the time you should have use to hustle you have spend it in the church to please one pastor and not God.

jesusjnr2020:
You could be hardworking and still die of hunger.

Being hard-working doesn't guarantee the lack of hunger.

Peter and Andrew toiled all night in the sea but caught no single fish. Luke 5:5

Modified:

To all those who couldn't comprehend my point, kindly read and understand.

Jesus who made it easy work for them to catch many fishes than they'd ever done with all their hard work in life, used the illustration of the birds of the air who don't toil but God feeds to prove to them that it's not by hard work but obedience of God's Word. Hence the saying, "seek first the Kingdom of God and everything shall be added to you".

After all, God made it easy for man in the beginning when man didn't need to work hard to feed but just to obey God's Word. God made feeding free for man, but man only had to work hard to feed after he disobeyed the Word of God and God told him he will have to toil and sweat to be able to eat of the ground.

So actually man loves to work hard but hates to obey God, but obedience is the most important thing spiritually speaking. If all you have in this world is hardwork but you don't obey God's Word, you have gained nothing in Truth.

God bless.

Bro you spoke well. They are people with several skills and talents yet still poor. Na by grace abeg. I have seen uneducated or intelligent being heads of some places.

Chucks13:
■ Going to church Monday to Sunday I swear you will only be spiritual millionaire but physically and financially very very poor because the time you should have use to hustle you have spend it in the church to please one pastor and not God.

Spiritual millionaire of compound fool? God no send anyone go church nor did He send anyone to work Jobs and companies in His Name - John 6 vs 25 - 35. All of man's spirituality has nothing to do with God so one who doesn't believe in God at all is far better than all of your many spiritual millionaires.

jesusjnr2020:
You could be hardworking and still die of hunger.

Being hard-working doesn't guarantee the lack of hunger.

Peter and Andrew toiled all night in the sea but caught no single fish. Luke 5:5

Modified:

To all those who couldn't comprehend my point, kindly read and understand.

Jesus who made it easy work for them to catch many fishes than they'd ever done with all their hard work in life, used the illustration of the birds of the air who don't toil but God feeds to prove to them that it's not by hard work but obedience of God's Word. Hence the saying, "seek first the Kingdom of God and everything shall be added to you".

After all, God made it easy for man in the beginning when man didn't need to work hard to feed but just to obey God's Word. God made feeding free for man, but man only had to work hard to feed after he disobeyed the Word of God and God told him he will have to toil and sweat to be able to eat of the ground.

So actually man loves to work hard but hates to obey God, but obedience is the most important thing spiritually speaking. If all you have in this world is hardwork but you don't obey God's Word, you have gained nothing in Truth.

God bless.

.... the Bible says faith without work is dead...the Bible also says I will bless the hand of your labour, your work...the Bible also says no food for a lazy man

You are saying the truth.... for the Bible says faith without work is dead, ..the Bible also says I will bless the hands of your labour, your work, the Bible also says no food for a lazy man

Nice

When your fasting and praying without having any source of income you will die of hunger certainly

Eriokanmi:
Good question. Evil people could allow you to get to a point in life and wait for you with close monitoring until when you get to a point where your efforts of many years would start to pay off and truncate it.

Most of the problems we all have or face in life can be traced to our backgrounds while some were caused by us cos of either our negligence or naivety. That's human nature. There are several of such examples in the bible and in our generation too. There are many first class graduates today who are roaming the streets. It's not ordinary my brother. I attended one interview years back, during which we were discussing generally as applicants...we were just rubbing minds together. One guy said people get employed every day despite how though it has always been in the Labour market and without even influencing it. That's why we should pray always

Smiles. Wonderful !
And who are the evil people who wait for people to keep succeeding academically and get out of school only to make them unsuccessful in the labour market?

I will be sincere with you , this explanation you have given is only an africanalized Christianity outlook to matters. We see every setback individuals face as a Christian as "Enemy attack" "evil people" .
We feel because we are yet to get a job on time one enemy is on our case. Because we are yet to gain admission it is a "family problem" because we have delay in childbirth it is a spiritual attack etc.
It is a really pathetic situation.
Delay in childbirth which IVF will end up solving then u will hear people testifying that it was their enemy that was defeated in battle. . It is well.

The mistake many of us make is trying to make a spiritual meaning of every problem in this country.
You think it is the devil or your enemy is the one that don't want you to get a job, when for a fact your country is suffering from massive unemployment. Your industries are closing down. Competition is very stiff. Yes some will still keep getting employed. But everyone can't get gainfully employed. The jobs are scarce.
This is not one family problem or evil people problem (as you all like to paint it) it is the countries problem.

Often times there are no evil enemies on Nigerians case. It is simply life.
Life is about time and chance. Understanding this will make you labour less.

As a Christian no power of the enemy can operate in your life if you wear the armour of God. So do your best to always put on that armour and stop giving powers to unseen imaginary enemies.

Even Christ did not promise us of a tribulation free life as a Christian.

And I will so love you to point me to a biblical reference of these enemies you talk about.
I wonder if they were so irrelevant that Christ said we should pray for them.

idonhammer:
You must be commenting from Bet9ja shop.

Abi

ictplotter:

Stupid biblical mental slavery.

I dey tell you

Porksupplyib:
■ As a Christian no power of the enemy can operate in your life if you wear the armour of God. So do your best to always put on that armour and stop giving powers to unseen imaginary enemies.
Even Christ did not promise us of a tribulation free life as a Christian. And I will so love you to point me to a biblical reference of these enemies you talk about. I wonder if they were so irrelevant that Christ said we should pray for them.

Interesting claim there in bold. According to Scripture, the only one able to wear the armor of God is Jesus Christ https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/3#122627307

So, how did you go about putting on an armor specifically for Jesus Christ to dorn? Care to explain.

Porksupplyib:
Nigerians have decided to build thousands of prayer houses based on their belief in prayers, yet they have built next to zero industries and factories. Every available space has been turned into a church, yet they pray for jobs in those spaces. Who are you all decieving ?

Will God come down to give brother John a job when you you have not created an opening as a human? We pray very unnecessary prayers in Nigeria.
That is the simple truth

True

So all this hard work Nigerians go through is what .....oh Politicians are hard working....
While a Nigerian that toil all day yet can't feed himself and his family well is lazy ...
Life no balance

CaptMarvel:
I don't understand? Why would a church put a flat screen behind the pastor? If I can't see the pastor in front of me, how would I see the thing on the flatscreen that's behind the pastor.

People that pray and fast also have handiwork, some pray to get handiwork, it's good to do one without leaving the other.

The screen is to read some bible quote and not to see the pastor

jesusjnr2020:
You could be hardworking and still die of hunger.

Being hard-working doesn't guarantee the lack of hunger.

Peter and Andrew toiled all night in the sea but caught no single fish. Luke 5:5

Modified:


To all those who couldn't comprehend my point, kindly read and understand.

Jesus who made it easy work for them to catch many fishes than they'd ever done with all their hard work in life, used the illustration of the birds of the air who don't toil but God feeds to prove to them that it's not by hard work but obedience of God's Word. Hence the saying, "seek first the Kingdom of God and everything shall be added to you".

After all, God made it easy for man in the beginning when man didn't need to work hard to feed but just to obey God's Word. God made feeding free for man, but man only had to work hard to feed after he disobeyed the Word of God and God told him he will have to toil and sweat to be able to eat of the ground.

So actually man loves to work hard but hates to obey God, but obedience is the most important thing spiritually speaking. If all you have in this world is hardwork but you don't obey God's Word, you have gained nothing in Truth.

God bless.

Truthfully, you must still have something doing, because God needs something of yours to bless;(Deuteronomy 15:10 KJV).......the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto.

Practical truth

Kobojunkie:
Interesting claim there in bold. According to Scripture, the only one able to wear the armor of God is Jesus Christ https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/3#122627307

So, how did you go about putting on an armor specifically for Jesus Christ to dorn? Care to explain.

Is there any point trying to explain the scripture to someone who selects what to believe within the gospel? Someone who doesn't believe the teachings and admonisions of the apostles ?
Absolutely not!

For that reason you are excused dear.

I have always said it but I will reiterate today ; Endevour to preach your own sermon and make your points very clear. Open threads for them and state it boldly that Paul and other apostles were not led by the holy spirit. No need beating around the bush.

payloader:

Truthfully, you must still have something doing, because God needs something of yours to bless;(Deuteronomy 15:10 KJV).......the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto.

So you actually believe there's any greater work God blesses than seeking His Kingdom of God, which Jesus commanded you should do and God shall add everything to you? Luke 12:33

By the way, I'm not against doing other works, but trying to pin such man-made ideas on God is what I'm against.

ufotunang:
.... the Bible says faith without work is dead...the Bible also says I will bless the hand of your labour, your work...the Bible also says no food for a lazy man

Jesus says the birds of the air do not work yet the Father feeds them, how much more are humans better than them? Luke 12:26

Jesus said do not worry about what you will eat or drink and cloths you'd wear, because it's the gentiles (world) that worry about such things but seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things shall be added to you. Luke 12:31-33

By the way, if you thought the work being spoken about in the respect of faith @bolded, is that which you do for your own self, you haven't gotten the least idea of what it means. The works has nothing to do with the work you do for yourself but the work you do for God as seeking His Kingdom, so stop confusing the two.

Porksupplyib:
■ Is there any point trying to explain the scripture to someone who selects what to believe within the gospel? Someone who doesn't believe the teachings and admonisions of the apostles ?
Absolutely not! For that reason you are excused dear. I have always said it but I will reiterate today ; Endevour to preach your own sermon and make your points very clear. Open threads for them and state it boldly that Paul and other apostles were not led by the holy spirit. No need beating around the bush.

1. I didn't ask you to explain scripture to me since scripture requires none of that as far as one has God as His Teacher. I instead asked you to explain your claim which in itself stands against that which is documented in the book of the prophets.

Kobojunkie:
1. I didn't ask you to explain scripture to me since scripture requires none of that as far as one has God as His Teacher. I instead asked you to explain your claim which in itself stands against that which is documented in the book of the prophets.

Smiles
Eph 6:11-13

"Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness in this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

That was Paul admonishing us christians to put on the armour of God.

Do you need any other explanation ?
I am waiting for you to say Paul's teachings are irrelevant.
No be today.

Porksupplyib:
Smiles
Eph 6:11-13
That was Paul admonishing us christians to put on the armour of God.

■ Do you need any other explanation ?
I am waiting for you to say Paul's teachings are irrelevant. No be today.

Again, Interesting. According to Scripture, the only one able to wear the armor of God is Jesus Christ https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/3#122627307

So, how did you go about putting on an armor specifically for Jesus Christ to dorn? Care to explain. Or is it that you haven't actually "put on" this armor on yourself and so have no answers?

2. Paul said Jesus Christ is the authority over him so it is easy to circle back to what the authority in fact said in order to understand what Paul alludes to. You, however , reject Jesus Christ and go about attempting to pitch Paul against Jesus Christ in your beliefs. So, tell us, how did you go about putting on said armor as you claim?

Kobojunkie:
Again, Interesting. According to Scripture, the only one able to wear the armor of God is Jesus Christ https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump/3#122627307

So, how did you go about putting on an armor specifically for Jesus Christ to dorn? Care to explain. Or is it that you haven't actually "put on" this armor on yourself and so have no answers?

2. Paul said Jesus Christ is the authority over him so it is easy to circle back to what the authority in fact said in order to understand what Paul alludes to. You, however , reject Jesus Christ and go about attempting to pitch Paul against Jesus Christ in your beliefs. So, tell us, how did you go about putting on said armor as you claim?

Here we go again. I am not surprised.

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus says the birds of the air do not work yet the Father feeds them, how much more are humans better than them? Luke 12:26

Jesus said do not worry about what you will eat or drink and cloths you'd wear, because it's the gentiles (world) that worry about such things but seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things shall be added to you. Luke 12:31-33

By the way, if you thought the work being spoken about in the respect of faith @bolded, is that which you do for your own self, you haven't gotten the least idea of what it means. The works has nothing to do with the work you do for yourself but the work you do for God as seeking His Kingdom, so stop confusing the two.

.....so people or nigerians should not work , so people or nigerians should not go to their place of work, office, shop, bussinesses...but they should just sit at home pray from morning till night everyday and after the prayers God will drop money and food from heaven for them ..and food for them to eat ...is this what you mean?....

Ever8090:
no, you are the one that is stupid..ask me how...

how? if Dem born your papa well no reply me

Biola67:

you sha wan sound smart.

na if u smart u go understand

sunshineV:
na if u smart u go understand

Kpele

sunshineV:
how? if Dem born your papa well no reply me

them born my papa well but I go still answer you....

The "HOW" is because you are a very stewpit somebary

Ever8090:
them born my papa well but I go still answer you....

The "HOW" is because you are a very stewpit somebary

😂😂😂😂😂ode

Nsogbu001:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTTBLbOML5Q

According to Rev. Mike Okoh, prayers are good, fellowships are good but all these things without handiwork is a waste.

Stop wasting your time in the church praying and fasting without engaging in any handiwork. It doesn't work that way.

You don't expect God to fall down from heaven and help you when you are not doing something meaningful.

Listen carefully and mediate over it as you go to church today.
Got bless us all.

Even your Pastors and Revereneds know that this shit don't work, bros come clean no dey hide🤣🤣🤣

Don't waste your time fasting and praying.

Get your acts together.