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What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by QueenNyakim: 12:16pm On Aug 15, 2023
Security doesn't seem to be one of them since 50% of their territories are now under terrorist or separatist control, thats worse than Nigeria.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Alchemy528: 12:17pm On Aug 15, 2023
More hardship

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Taylor90: 12:19pm On Aug 15, 2023
What has improved since Tinubu took over

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by optionalY09: 12:19pm On Aug 15, 2023
It takes time to build

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by QueenNyakim: 12:24pm On Aug 15, 2023
Taylor90:
What has improved since Tinubu took over

Whataboutism, the worst argument on the internet but I will give you one, removal of the oil subsidy.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Ikaeniyan0: 12:27pm On Aug 15, 2023
optionalY09:
It takes time to build
The juntas in Mali have not been able to achieve any tangible thing since they took over. One of the reason they take over was because of insecurity, but it has gotten worst in Mali since the juntas took over.

Nothing has improve. Terrorist and separatist groups are controlling most part of northern mali as you read my comment. Malian forces are in control of less than 10% of the territory in northern mali

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by RemoveEbola: 12:28pm On Aug 15, 2023
QueenNyakim:
Security doesn't seem to be one of them since 50% of their territories are now under terrorist or separatist control, thats worse than Nigeria.

Look at someone from a country whose president is a drug baron. Someone who stole a presidential mandate and ran away with it.

A country with the poorest currency in Africa. Has the largest concentration of poor and destitute people. Where fuel price is among the highest in the world. Where hundreds are being killed everyday all over the country. Yet he left all these chaos to concern himself with Mali and Burkina Faso?!!!!!

Spits.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Onyiiobi7735(m): 12:28pm On Aug 15, 2023
grin grin No longer being puppeted by France,all because they use French as a Lingua Franca, and belong to the La Francophonie org.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by a4cube: 12:29pm On Aug 15, 2023
Are we not in the same boat with them More hardship for Nigerians since handover.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by QueenNyakim: 12:29pm On Aug 15, 2023
Taylor90:


This one no get sense

If you have nothing to worthwhile to say, then keep your trap shut. The throwback of removing it increased prices of petrol but it freed up resources for other sectors of the economy. Federal government spent large amount of its budget paying fuel subsidies which can now be spent elsewhere like education for one

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by ezechi242: 12:31pm On Aug 15, 2023
QueenNyakim:
Security doesn't seem to be one of them since 50% of their territories are now under terrorist or separatist control, thats worse than Nigeria.

and that is because the U.S and FRANCE you so much love are using the terrorist s as a proxy.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by BoldBrainz(m): 12:31pm On Aug 15, 2023
Wouldn't you like to visit both countries and find out for yourself?

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Taylor90: 12:36pm On Aug 15, 2023
QueenNyakim:


If you have nothing to worthwhile to say, then keep your trap shut. The throwback of removing it increased prices of petrol but it freed up resources for other sectors of the economy. Federal government spent large amount of its budget paying fuel subsidies which can now be spent elsewhere like education for one

Says a dunce that can’t afford 10 liters of fuel

Since the removal of subsidy where has the money been channeled to good use

Mumu

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by QueenNyakim: 12:52pm On Aug 15, 2023
Taylor90:


Says a dunce that can’t afford 10 liters of fuel

Since the removal of subsidy where has the money been channeled to good use

Mumu

Strange, I dont remember telling you what kind of earnings I make?

Also, I dont know where the money has been channeled into shit for brains but I'm explaining why removal of the fuel subsidy was a good idea if implemented properly. Everything has its negatives and positives, the money freed up from the federal budget CAN benefit other sectors of the economy and the fuel subsidy removal can benefit workers and poor Nigerians, if the process is carefully managed and implemented by Tinubu administration. A select few benefitted from the subisdy, the subsidy was an avenue for the few of Nigerian politicians, and Oil marketers to loits. If you really thought the oil subsidies were a good thing for the average Nigerian, you are dumber than I thought.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Max24: 12:53pm On Aug 15, 2023
It's time we focus on how the state governments are spending our money. What each state got for last month is the highest in recent years due to the redirected subsidy payments. Instead of blaming the FG we should now ask what our govs are doing with the extra resources. Tinubu has given each state what is due to them, he is no longer the problem unless you simply hate him for the sake of hating.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Sharpsharp00123: 12:54pm On Aug 15, 2023
RemoveEbola:


Look at someone from a country whose president is a drug baron. Someone who stole a presidential mandate and ran away with it.

A country with the poorest currency in Africa. Has the largest concentration of poor and destitute people. Where fuel price is among the highest in the world. Where hundreds are being killed everyday all over the country. Yet he left all these chaos to concern himself with Mali and Burkina Faso?!!!!!

Spits.
u these Igbo miscreants n your many accounts self

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Max24: 12:57pm On Aug 15, 2023
Those that are romancing Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger militaries don't know what they are doing. They are embittered souls.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by QueenNyakim: 1:08pm On Aug 15, 2023
Max24:
Those that are romancing Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger militaries don't know what they are doing. They are embittered souls.

I agree but these countries were already politically unstable to begin with.

All of these coups we have seen in the past few years from Mali to Niger are populist movements. Your usual populist decolonize narrative: "We against France and puppet elites in Niger". Most of Niger budget came from international foreign aid which is now gone, virtually a bankrupt state cut from financial system. They have been cut off from development loans from World Bank and IMF. China has stopped working on the Niger Dam. They have no electricity. Skyrocking food inflation etc. Junta obviously didn't think things through, this is why they wont survive under sanctions for 6 months straight before they come running back to the negotiation table.

Same thing happened to Mali. They were crumbling prior to the lifting of sanctions until they promised to give a deadline for a transition back to civilian governance.

Security has only gotten worse in Mali since France was kicked out and there might be a civil war soon since UN was also told to leave that gave Northern Mali most of its food/water/medicine.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by ruggedtimi(m): 2:04pm On Aug 15, 2023
Africa we Sabi mumu...we see man wey dey upright talk say na the leader we want but the country is going backwards. We should stop judging leadership they way we do. I have always believed age isn't really enought criteria to be a good leader, but the heart of a man. See north Korea's leader all he thinks about is war and weapons nothing more. He doesn't care about his people.
We are not ready for good and working leaders.. religion, tribalism and sentiment dey finish us.
Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Watcharena: 4:47pm On Aug 15, 2023
Max24:
It's time we focus on how the state governments are spending our money. What each state got for last month is the highest in recent years due to the redirected subsidy payments. Instead of blaming the FG we should now ask what our govs are doing with the extra resources. Tinubu has given each state what is due to them, he is no longer the problem unless you simply hate him for the sake of hating.
Has he increase the federal government workers salary,is state government in charge of our cbn and change rate ,is state government in charge of security.

The list is endless

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Watcharena: 4:49pm On Aug 15, 2023
I dought if the media is reporting the security situation in mali correctly,you can't have a military leader in charge of the whole country and terrorists will be controlling parts of the state
Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Max24: 5:17pm On Aug 15, 2023
Watcharena:
Has he increase the federal government workers salary,is state government in charge of our cbn and change rate ,is state government in charge of security.

The list is endless
So, you expect him to solve all your problems in less than 3 months? How many roads has any gov done within same period? What has Otti achieved in his state or any gov for that matter. Why do we think any President can solve the people's problems within 3months? Unless you want him to declare Nigeria a Socialist State. Any President in a democracy or capitalist state works through processes and laws. By giving more allocation to states he has empowered them to pay their workers higher salaries. How many of them has done so? Has LP gov done so?
Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by flokii: 5:54pm On Aug 15, 2023
Nothing... more hardship and no visible headway while their juntas in power keep stashing away their wealth abroad just like Abacha did in Nigeria.

Abacha repatriated loots abi na savings no dey gree finish after so many years.
Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by budaatum: 11:12pm On Aug 15, 2023
QueenNyakim:


I agree but these countries were already politically unstable to begin with.

All of these coups we have seen in the past few years from Mali to Niger are populist movements. Your usual populist decolonize narrative: "We against France and puppet elites in Niger". Most of Niger budget came from international foreign aid which is now gone, virtually a bankrupt state cut from financial system. They have been cut off from development loans from World Bank and IMF. China has stopped working on the Niger Dam. They have no electricity. Skyrocking food inflation etc. Junta obviously didn't think things through, this is why they wont survive under sanctions for 6 months straight before they come running back to the negotiation table.

Same thing happened to Mali. They were crumbling prior to the lifting of sanctions until they promised to give a deadline for a transition back to civilian governance.

Security has only gotten worse in Mali since France was kicked out and there might be a civil war soon since UN was also told to leave that gave Northern Mali most of its food/water/medicine.

Insecurity was there along while France was there as were all those other things you listed, so don't you think they need to kick France out and gain proper independence?

https://www.nairaland.com/7785281/niger-coup-france-being-punished#125093333
Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Horus(m): 1:39am On Aug 16, 2023
Before the Junta takeover in Mali and Burkina Faso the French were arming, training and sharing intelligence with the terrorists that massacred civilians in villages (including women and children). On top of that, when they bought military equipment in order to defend their villages, France and her allies managed to block the equipment abroad while they were counting France as a partner. After that stabbing in the back by France, they decided to terminate all the agreements they had with France. Luckily for them, there are other countries that are willing to help. They have acquired a lot of weapons from Russia, China, Turkye, Iran, etc. Now, the terrorists are getting crushed really hard. Their last support was Mr. Bazoum, who got kicked out by his own army. This means game over for France and her terrorist mates.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by rottennaija(m): 5:02am On Aug 16, 2023
QueenNyakim:
Security doesn't seem to be one of them since 50% of their territories are now under terrorist or separatist control, thats worse than Nigeria.

What has improved is that their former colonial masters France and the west generally has been put on alert that it will no longer be business as usual. This will emboldened other countries to free themselves from western slavery.


Let me ask the same question, what has improved in Nigeria after 24 years of civilian rule?

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by KGBKremlin: 5:45am On Aug 16, 2023
RemoveEbola:


Look at someone from a country whose president is a drug baron. Someone who stole a presidential mandate and ran away with it.

A country with the poorest currency in Africa. Has the largest concentration of poor and destitute people. Where fuel price is among the highest in the world. Where hundreds are being killed everyday all over the country. Yet he left all these chaos to concern himself with Mali and Burkina Faso?!!!!!

Spits.

If you're an Igbo person don't consider yourself as a Nigerian,so I will advise you stop focusing on Nigeria issues pertaining presidency.
Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by QueenNyakim: 9:51am On Aug 16, 2023
budaatum:


Insecurity was there along while France was there as were all those other things you listed, so don't you think they need to kick France out and gain proper independence?

https://www.nairaland.com/7785281/niger-coup-france-being-punished#125093333

I never denied that insecurity wasn't already there while France was stationed in places like Mali for instance but it was the Malians who begged France to come and save their ass when the Jihadists were about to take Bamako while they were destroying historical sites and burning books important to Mali's history.

French foreign legion came and pushed out the terrorists into the Northern part of the country. Security was better under the Foreign Legion than it currently is under the Junta and Wagner group. Jihadists and Separatists now control large chucks of Mali (40%) and most of Burkina Faso.

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/04/27/rampant-jihadists-are-spreading-chaos-and-misery-in-the-sahel

So much for the PMC, Wagner thats unironically located in rich mineral towns looting country resources while killing civilians in the countryside while broadcasting propaganda in the cities to rump up support for Russia while diverting attention to what their doing. Wagner are about as useless as the Russain military thats getting slaugthered in Ukraine. Long story short, these countries wont exist for much longer.


Before the Junta takeover in Mali and Burkina Faso the French were arming, training and sharing intelligence with the terrorists that massacred civilians in villages (including women and children). On top of that, when they bought military equipment in order to defend their villages, France and her allies managed to block the equipment abroad while they were counting France as a partner. After that stabbing in the back by France, they decided to terminate all the agreements they had with France. Luckily for them, there are other countries that are willing to help. They have acquired a lot of weapons from Russia, China, Turkye, Iran, etc. Now, the terrorists are getting crushed really hard. Their last support was Mr. Bazoum, who got kicked out by his own army. This means game over for France and her terrorist mates.

1. Citation needed (from a credible source).
2. Read the above.

What has improved is that their former colonial masters France and the west generally has been put on alert that it will no longer be business as usual. This will emboldened other countries to free themselves from western slavery.


Let me ask the same question, what has improved in Nigeria after 24 years of civilian rule?

And look how well thats going for countries like Niger, virtually bankrupt, blocked from development loans, and cut off from international trade to grow their country. Feels good man! Free themselves of what? You keep peddling populist narratives, what exactly was Niger, Mali, and Burkina faso "enslaved" of? Almost as funny as people peddling the populist lie that France got most of their "uRaNiUm" from Niger.

Nigeria has one of the fastest-growing rates of HDI globally. HDI is the summary measure of average achievement in key dimensions of human development such as morality rate, GDP per capita, Life expectancy etc that have seen an improvement since the end of Abacha regime.

There is no such thing as a good autocratic nation. They always and without fail morph into human right abusing dictatorships. Just ask the Congolese what they think of Paul Kagame and his regime. Ugandans living under Museveni. How about the North Sudanese before the civil war kicked off between two power hungry wannabe dictators. We simply dont want to return to the 20th century style African dictatorships.

Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by hodari: 10:12am On Aug 16, 2023
Parasitic France must leave Africa alone.

Why is Niger, the world's 6th largest producer of Uranium relying on foreign aid? It's a shame that in 2023 NIger supplies electricity to the whole of France but only 14% of Nigeriens have access to electricity.

France must leave and they shall leave Africa.

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Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Akuruoulo(m): 10:15am On Aug 16, 2023
Taylor90:
What has improved since Tinubu took over
Worst governance in the history of the world
Re: What Has Improved In Mali And Burkina Faso Since The Junta Takeover? by Akuruoulo(m): 10:17am On Aug 16, 2023
QueenNyakim:


Whataboutism, the worst argument on the internet but I will give you one, removal of the oil subsidy.
A foolish person will forever be foolish.
Women have proven never better than men in all aspect of life

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