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Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 12:35am On Sep 20, 2023
LP claimed that they don't have all the polling unit results in all the polling units..
INEC helped them establish the fact by saying that there are 176,000+plus polling units, but LP provided only about 130,000 polling agents.

So,, LP demanded that the INEC provide the EC8A-Results..
INEC provided them.
But amongst the results,, there are 18,088 blurred results which the INEC brought to the court and claimed they were the results in their custody..

If LP showed that 18,088 polling unit results were blurred; and then, INEC claimed that there are supposed to be “Originals” to those blurred results,,...
So then, who is by Law supposed to provide the “Originals”??


(He who asserts must prove his assertion)



INEC were the ones who said that the LP doesn't have the copies of the results, because they don't have enough party agents deployed in the election..
They provided blurred results,, and still went ahead to say that there should be “Originals”.


The blurred 18,088 had already been established in court..
What is not established yet is that INEC claimed that they still have the “Original” versions of all those blurred copies, and that they don't want to bring it.

THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS NOW ON THE INEC TO PROVIDE THOSE ACCLAIMED “ORIGINALS”, AND USE THEM TO COUNTER THE ALREADY ESTABLISHED 18,088 BLURRED COPIES..

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 12:38am On Sep 20, 2023
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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by LOVEALAIGBO: 12:40am On Sep 20, 2023
A Daniel come to judgement!
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by Christistruth00: 12:46am On Sep 20, 2023
This is an easy one


Why did your Polling unit agents sign the blurred Copies then if they were not Satisfied?

Very simple it was because your own Agents were satisfied that all the tallied election figures were correct

This is a complete waste of time if the sheets were blurred during Electronic transmission because IREV is not a Primary source of information for INEC and the Labour Party Agents who signed already have the same Copies as INEC

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by ValarDoharis: 1:39am On Sep 20, 2023
They did not sign the blurred copies. They got it from INEC certified copies.
Christistruth00:
This is an easy one


Why did your Polling unit agents sign the blurred Copies then if they were not Satisfied?

Very simple it was because your own Agents were satisfied that all the tallied election figures were correct

This is a complete waste of time if the sheets were blurred during Electronic transmission because IREV is not a Primary source of information for INEC and the Labour Party Agents who signed already have the same Copies as INEC

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by garfield1: 1:51am On Sep 20, 2023
ValarDoharis:
They did not sign the blurred copies. They got it from INEC certified copies.

It doesn't matter as they couldn't identify the units
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by ValarDoharis: 1:54am On Sep 20, 2023
We've moved past the fraudulent tribunal,
we're at the Supreme Fraud!
garfield1:


It doesn't matter as they couldn't identify the units

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 2:35am On Sep 20, 2023
Christistruth00:
This is an easy one


Why did your Polling unit agents sign the blurred Copies then if they were not Satisfied?

Very simple it was because your own Agents were satisfied that all the tallied election figures were correct

This is a complete waste of time if the sheets were blurred during Electronic transmission because IREV is not a Primary source of information for INEC and the Labour Party Agents who signed already have the same Copies as INEC

They are “Blurred Copies”..

Nobody knows who signed which, and who didn't sign whatever..


Nobody knew which scores are there in those blurred papers..

They are Blurred and totally unreadable..

So, nobody said that anything were correct or wrong.
It's only when you could even read it, then you can say whether it is right or wrong.

But nothing was even readable..


And nobody said IREV here.

INEC were told to bring the CTCs of the original EC8As, EC8Bs, EC8Cs, EC8Ds and so on, which they used on the election day.

And that was what they supposedly brought to the court..
And inside the tonnes of documents that were supposed to be the CTCs of EC8As; it happened that 18,088 of them were totally blurred and unreadable..

So tell me. Where did IREV come in here??

Or are you saying that CTCs of original copies are not acceptable too?

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 2:45am On Sep 20, 2023
garfield1:


It doesn't matter as they couldn't identify the units
So,, blurred copies that has no data on them except for the INEC Certification that they are true copies of the original results..

Who do you think should have the burden of proof to Actually prove that all those blurred and blank copies are true results,, and that they truly belong to actual polling units??

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 2:46am On Sep 20, 2023
ValarDoharis:
We've moved past the fraudulent tribunal,
we're at the Supreme Fraud!




You're there.


The Supreme Court Judges won't receive any Shiii-Shii from the LP team..



They can go and collect all the available money from the other parties as usual.

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by limeta(f): 3:08am On Sep 20, 2023
ValarDoharis:
They did not sign the blurred copies. They got it from INEC certified copies.



They say blurred copies and you asking about signature

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by ValarDoharis: 3:10am On Sep 20, 2023
Follow the thread, I'm not the one saying signature. I was responding to the person asking for signature
limeta:




They say blurred copies and you asking about signature

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by raumdeuter: 3:15am On Sep 20, 2023
ValarDoharis:
They did not sign the blurred copies. They got it from INEC certified copies.

Every party is required to have agents at every polling booth who will get original copies and sign it physically at the polling unit
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by ValarDoharis: 3:20am On Sep 20, 2023
You only sign results you accept. You are not obligated to sign results you disputes. LP did not sign Lagos results because they were changed. You guys don't know what happened in that election!
raumdeuter:


Every party is required to have agents at every polling booth who will get original copies and sign it physically at the polling unit

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by raumdeuter: 3:23am On Sep 20, 2023
ValarDoharis:
You only sign results you accept. You are not obligated to sign results you disputes. LP did not sign Lagos results because they were changed. You guys don't know what happened in that election!

The units that were disputed in Lagos was settled.

Every Party is required to have agents at every polling unit who get the result sheet and sign

Let LP get the real form that was signed by every agent at the Polling unit they are alleging irregularities

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by ValarDoharis: 3:27am On Sep 20, 2023
Its is not mandatory to have party agents in every polling unit, neither is it mandatory to sign.

Relying on party agents that can be intimidated, beaten , bribed etc is among the reasons we pushed for electronic transmission via IREV. In INEC has integrity and conducted credible election, you actually don't need polling units agents.
raumdeuter:


The units that were disputed in Lagos was settled.

Every Party is required to have agents at every polling unit who get the result sheet and sign

Let LP get the real form that was signed by every agent at the Polling unit they are alleging irregularities

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by Racoon(m): 3:31am On Sep 20, 2023
This one go choke all of them. Tinubu knows he can win a free, fair and credible election, hence the only most viable option for him is to collude with INEC to perpetuate the grand heist electoral robbery of 25th February 2023. But they are not going to get away with it.

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by raumdeuter: 3:31am On Sep 20, 2023
ValarDoharis:
Its is not mandatory to have party agents in every polling unit, neither is it mandatory to sign.

Relying on party agents that can be intimidated, beaten , bribed etc is among the reasons we pushed for electronic transmission via IREV. In INEC has integrity and conducted credible election, you actually don't need polling units agents.

The hard copy result signed at every polling unit is the legitimate accepted source of truth

Transmission of results by iRev is not mandatory

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by Racoon(m): 3:32am On Sep 20, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
Blurred Copies.Nobody knows who signed and who didn't sign, which scores are there. Blurred and totally unreadable.. Nobody said that anything were correct or wrong.Nothing was readable. And nobody said IREV. INEC were told to bring the CTCs of the original EC8As, EC8Bs, EC8Cs, EC8Ds and so on.

And that was what they brought..And inside the ones that are supposed to be CTCs of EC8As; 18,088 of them were totally blurred and unreadable.Where did IREV come in here?? Or are you saying that CTCs of original copies are not acceptable too?
My brother this nation and these operators of the structure of corruption and criminality have never stopped amusing and insulting the sensibility of the remaining sane people.

@ the bolded, it just shows and demonstrated how weak the institutions are under the government. Imagine INEC with all the denials of not going ahead with going by the signed amended electoral act only for it to go change the goal post in the middle of the match and is being supported by idiots. What can one call this kind of insanity?

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by Racoon(m): 3:32am On Sep 20, 2023
garfield1:
It doesn't matter as they couldn't identify the units
It didn't matter what? INEC delibrately brought completely blunt or blank results as CTCs and you are talking this shitcrap? What is wrong with critical thinking and rational reasoning? You are just a disgrace

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by Legalaffairs(m): 3:41am On Sep 20, 2023
Christistruth00:
This is an easy one


Why did your Polling unit agents sign the blurred Copies then if they were not Satisfied?

Very simple it was because your own Agents were satisfied that all the tallied election figures were correct

This is a complete waste of time if the sheets were blurred during Electronic transmission because IREV is not a Primary source of information for INEC and the Labour Party Agents who signed already have the same Copies as INEC guy


.Odeh, the signing and uploading which comes first?
.Common sense, zero

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by ValarDoharis: 3:48am On Sep 20, 2023
Thats why you guys conduct shams called election and thats why you keep selecting rogues. You're only hurting yourselves in the long run
raumdeuter:


The hard copy result signed at every polling unit is the legitimate accepted source of truth

Transmission of results by iRev is not mandatory

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 5:14am On Sep 20, 2023
raumdeuter:


Every party is required to have agents at every polling booth who will get original copies and sign it physically at the polling unit



First of all,, this thing you said up there is not a mandatory requirement under the Constitution or the Electoral-Act-2022..

So,, stop making it mandatory..
The Electoral-Act only requires that the INEC’s Electoral Officer should sign..
And that, even if any party agent didn't sign, it doesn't affect or invalidate the result of that polling unit.


And The argument is,, if a party doesn't have an agent, but they needed a copy of the results from the polling unit,, what exactly are they supposed to do?
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 5:18am On Sep 20, 2023
ValarDoharis:
Its is not mandatory to have party agents in every polling unit, neither is it mandatory to sign.

Relying on party agents that can be intimidated, beaten , bribed etc is among the reasons we pushed for electronic transmission via IREV. In INEC has integrity and conducted credible election, you actually don't need polling units agents.


Exactly...

And the LP requested from the INEC to provide whatever copies they used in the Election..
Everything,, from all the states..
Whether they are manipulated or not..

The INEC went and brought blurred papers and totally blank papers amongst the documents they supplied, and still had the morals to say that they have THE MAIN ORIGINALS of the blurred and blank copies back at home..

If the CTCs they supplied are NOT the TRUE Copies of those Acclaimed Original Copies that are back at home,, then, what exactly were those CTCs they brought to the court supposed to mean??



And who should be the ones to prove to the LP that all those Blurred Copies inside the IREV which they were always talking about have original versions,, and also show the court those original versions??

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 5:29am On Sep 20, 2023
raumdeuter:


The hard copy result signed at every polling unit is the legitimate accepted source of truth

Let the Supreme Court decide whether IREV is mandatory or not..



I am asking you again....
Is the CTCs of the so-called “hard copy results signed at every polling unit” not also a legitimately accepted source of truth??
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by BluntCrazeMan: 5:40am On Sep 20, 2023
Cc..
Dtruthspeaker..

I forgot to tag you earlier..
I would like to read your input..
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by Amumaigwe: 6:55am On Sep 20, 2023
garfield1:


It doesn't matter as they couldn't identify the units

Your reasoning is abysmally poor.
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by Kukutente23: 7:06am On Sep 20, 2023
Amumaigwe:


Your reasoning is abysmally poor.
He's an APC rat
Reasoning is not their forte
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by tinsel: 7:11am On Sep 20, 2023
Op, there is something you guys are mixing. The blurred copies are ones printed from IREV by INEC. There are still hard copies and originals. INEC doesn't tally results based on what the corpers snapped and forwarded to IREV.
Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by garfield1: 7:15am On Sep 20, 2023
Racoon:
It didn't matter what? INEC delibrately brought completely blunt or blank results as CTCs and you are talking this shitcrap? What is wrong with critical thinking and rational reasoning? You are just a disgrace

So if the supreme court is to cancel the votes from those units,how will it identify them

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Re: Burden Of Proof Of The 18,088 Blurred Polling Unit Results by garfield1: 7:17am On Sep 20, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
So,, blurred copies that has no data on them except for the INEC Certification that they are true copies of the original results..

Who do you think should have the burden of proof to Actually prove that all those blurred and blank copies are true results,, and that they truly belong to actual polling units??

The burden is on obi who identified the blurred copies and complained

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