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Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by jmaine: 4:25pm On Oct 19, 2011
Eko Ile:

I'm not interested in your alagomeji madness, dwell free to kill yourself over that. My gripe with you is your idiotic and ignorant understanding regarding tree planting and also how you think planting even planting flowers is no big deal.

Only a dumb idiots like you makes silly and ignorant distinctions about flowers and ornermnents, especially whent we all know the importance of any and every plant to the environment and the air we breath.

It's safe and good for humanity that ignorant and reckless people like you are not in charge of anything but your clueless and ignorant world.



In your usual bid to escape you ended up rambling incoherently without saying nothing as regards the questions . . . . Only abberent fools like you indulge in discussions way above your mangled brain cells . . . . Only fools reference a thread they failed woefully in . . . i would take my leave for now till you go on another aimless hype journey   . . .

And btw, am a confirmed Ekiti man . . .So your Igbo reference is just another failure of yours
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by naijaking1: 4:46pm On Oct 19, 2011
ezeagu:

"Igbos need to know how preserve Ala igbo"

"Yes they do, although it's not the region that has lost most trees, it's still very green despite the erosion in places."

How did you misread that?

Oh, brother, you push me. I ignored that generalization, because I thought you didn't understand the issues here. What do you mean by "not the region that has lost the most trees" Are you comparing Ala igbo with Katsina, Zamfara, or other desert/or savannah regions? Igboland is meant to be a tropical rain forest-ecologically, so if you know any atom of geography, you shouldn't be talking about "the region that has lost the most trees"
Igboland lies close to the equator, less than 16 degrees latititude. If you draw a line around a globe, you'll notice that from the Far eastern island of Borneo, to equatorial Africa, through to South America, that line is naturally covered with thick rain forest(or tropical jungle, as some would sarcastically call it). Igboland and the desert north ought not be conpared, because we get more than 10x the amount of rain they get, our soil becomes more easily saturated and soggy, and we have excessive run-off====>erosions. If you cut down trees without an attendant reduction in rainfall, you simply cause a dis-equillibrium of the natural delicate balance of our ecosystem. Please don't compare us with northern regions, it's wrong and almost retarded to do so. Comapre us with regions that lie along the same latitude: Cameroon, Calabar, Benin, Ondo, Lagos, Dahomey, Ghana, all the way along the West African coast.
I didn't misread anything, I think you need to brush up on basic ecology and geoghraphy.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by SouthEast1: 4:51pm On Oct 19, 2011
Yes, erosion is a problem in the SE, but it is also a big issue in Edo, Cross Rivers, Akwa Ibom and Benue (google)
Ocean surge is a problem in Lagos, Rivers, Bayesla etc
Desertification is an issue in the North
Massive flooding is a problem in SW states
Erosion also ocurs in Ibadan- Visit UI-Ojoo-IITA road heading to Ilorin

Tree planting is but only an aspect of soil protection measures, which may not work well in some land slide instances, depending on the ferocity- the trees will simply be uprooted
Grass planting is also an option
Overall, all sorts of environmental and civil engineering can be harnessed to try to tackle the menace
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by okstol: 4:53pm On Oct 19, 2011
@Naijaking, felling down of trees for economic reasons is alien to the east. The ones u see are those that obstruct road construction or building of houses. Most of d logs @ our markets are mostly from Bayelsa, Delta and Edo states respectively. Tree planting has been a yearly activity of Anambra state government. I have witnessed some. Aint good castigating people on ethnic line.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by EkoIle1: 4:53pm On Oct 19, 2011
jmaine:

In your usual bid to escape you ended up rambling incoherently without saying nothing as regards the questions . . . . Only abberent fools like you indulge in discussions way above your mangled brain cells . . . . Only fools reference a thread they failed woefully in . . . i would take my leave for now till you go on another aimless hype journey  . . .

I still don't see how this meaningless rambling alters the fact that you are ignorant and dangerously uneducated about the importance of basic things like trees and flowers. You are so dumb to even make distinctions about any kind of plants when infant they are all good for our environment and humanity.

Scum bags like you have no place in any sane and rational society.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by SouthEast1: 4:55pm On Oct 19, 2011
SW and SE which is actually greener?
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by SouthEast1: 5:00pm On Oct 19, 2011
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by SouthEast1: 5:02pm On Oct 19, 2011
Ogbomoso community is losing battle against erosion

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/National/5438128-147/story.csp
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by seanet02: 5:08pm On Oct 19, 2011
Ibo and their stupid1ty sha
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by naijaking1: 5:08pm On Oct 19, 2011
okstol:

@Naijaking, felling down of trees for economic reasons is alien to the east. The ones u see are those that obstruct road construction or building of houses. Most of d logs @ our markets are mostly from Bayelsa, Delta and Edo states respectively. Tree planting has been a yearly activity of Anambra state government. I have witnessed some. Aint good castigating people on ethnic line.

It used to be alien, but not any more. Go to any village, you will hear the sound of chain saws buzzing all over the place. Edo, Sapele for instance used to be the major woodmarket for the south, but the trade is fastly encroaching the main Igboland. The alarm is that these trees are not been replace at a rate close to how they're being felled.
This is not about ethnicity, I am from the area and I have first hand information.

South-East:

Yes, erosion is a problem in the SE, but it is also a big issue in Edo, Cross Rivers, Akwa Ibom and Benue (google)
Ocean surge is a problem in Lagos, Rivers, Bayesla etc
Desertification is an issue in the North
Massive flooding is a problem in SW states
Erosion also ocurs in Ibadan- Visit UI-Ojoo-IITA road heading to Ilorin

Tree planting is but only an aspect of soil protection measures, which may not work well in some land slide instances, depending on the ferocity- the trees will simply be uprooted
Grass planting is also an option
Overall, all sorts of environmental and civil engineering can be harnessed to try to tackle the menace

Once again, every state has its own unique ecosystem. Lagos is different from Ogun, Edo, Anambra, and even Enugu. All the land slides occuring in Enugu state for the past 10-20 years have always been in areas where the overhead tree shades have been decimated.(I know because 2 of the big ones occured in my place). People need to study their environment as a way of projecting it.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by aljharem3: 5:12pm On Oct 19, 2011
seanet02:

Ibo and their stupid1ty sha

Ode, is that how ur parents trained you. Ma ja eba fu e
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by aljharem3: 5:13pm On Oct 19, 2011
naijaking1:

It used to be alien, but not any more. Go to any village, you will hear the sound of chain saws buzzing all over the place. Edo, Sapele for instance used to be the major woodmarket for the south, but the trade is fastly encroaching the main Igboland. The alarm is that these trees are not been replace at a rate close to how they're being felled.
This is not about ethnicity, I am from the area and I have first hand information.

Once again, every state has its own unique ecosystem. Lagos is different from Ogun, Edo, Anambra, and even Enugu. All the land slides occuring in Enugu state for the past 10-20 years have always been in areas where the overhead tree shades have been decimated.(I know because 2 of the big ones occured in my place). People need to study their environment as a way of projecting it.


actually south-east is right you know
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by naijaking1: 5:17pm On Oct 19, 2011
South-East:

SW and SE which is actually greener?


I don't know why you insist on making this issue political, it's survival as far as I know. If you understand that each state and region is unique in its own ecosystem, you'll understand why your question is redudndant. Lagos has an ecosystem that includes the ocean, swamps, and forest. Ibadan has problem with flood control, because someone decided to constrict the Ogunkpa steam drainage. We in the east have been blessed with a failry stable ecosystem until recently. The effect of cutting a tree this year would not be seen until 3-5 years time when the buried roots dry, shrink, and open a big gulley in the soil, and then erosion with subsequent rainfall.
Who cares whether Lagos is submerged into the ocean, or Ibadan is flooded like in the days of Noah, but my concern is that Igbos learn how to balance their own ecosystem. We don't have to suffer because others are suffereing too.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by okstol: 5:34pm On Oct 19, 2011
@Naijaking, I'm into haulage business, my 911 trucks are mostly in transporting of woods to different parts of the east. As i'm typing now, there are up to 13 trucks waiting to be offloaded @ the bridge-head market Onitsha. What you need to say is that, we have to improve on whatever budget we have on tree planting. Like I said in my earlier post, there are chunks of lands in the states (Anambra to be precise) where the state government has planted menila "sic" trees to check erosion menace.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by naijaking1: 6:19pm On Oct 19, 2011
okstol:

@Naijaking, I'm into haulage business, my 911 trucks are mostly in transporting of woods to different parts of the east. As i'm typing now, there are up to 13 trucks waiting to be offloaded @ the bridge-head market Onitsha. What you need to say is that, we have to improve on whatever budget we have on tree planting. Like I said in my earlier post, there are chunks of lands in the states (Anambra to be precise) where the state government has planted menila "sic" trees to check erosion menace.
Goverment planting a few trees with pomp and ceremonies are good, but it's quite limited. The long term, best and cheapest approach to erosion in our Igboland is to educate our people, bring them upto date on the need to preserve trees, especially those subjected to firewood, lumbar, or simple misconception.
If you remove 10 tree from an already precarious environment, the result might be more catastrophic than when you remove 1000 trees from a more balanced ecosystem. Once again, we need education to solve this problem.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by SEner: 6:32pm On Oct 19, 2011
naijaking1:

I don't know why you insist on making this issue political, it's survival as far as I know. If you understand that each state and region is unique in its own ecosystem, you'll understand why your question is redudndant. Lagos has an ecosystem that includes the ocean, swamps, and forest. Ibadan has problem with flood control, because someone decided to constrict the Ogunkpa steam drainage. We in the east have been blessed with a failry stable ecosystem until recently. The effect of cutting a tree this year would not be seen until 3-5 years time when the buried roots dry, shrink, and open a big gulley in the soil, and then erosion with subsequent rainfall.
Who cares whether Lagos is submerged into the ocean, or Ibadan is flooded like in the days of Noah, but my concern is that Igbos learn how to balance their own ecosystem. We don't have to suffer because others are suffereing too.


But I asked that you confirm that Igbo Govs deliberately cut down trees. I know that many states have tree planting programs. I participated in them many years ago. I am not sure that hewing down trees occurs more in SE than elsewhere and you may want to consider the fact that the erosion problem in the entire east of Nigeria (SE/SS) is due more to soil structure than soil cover.

My political response was to the likes of Eko Ile who assume that because Fasola plants a few trees, no other Gov does.
Ultimately most regions of the south suffer similar ecological problems, of course, to different extents
The only ecological problem perculiar to specific groups is desertification in the core north and ocean surge in the coastal states.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by SEner: 6:36pm On Oct 19, 2011
Eko Ile
Always been. The region is siting on a hilly terrain and when you mix hilly terrain and heavy flooding together, you get serious gully erosion.

Deforestation is another problem in the area.

I do not know how the SE is hillier and more flooded than Oyo and Ogun and Osun and Ondo
Some ignoramuses and their ways
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by SEner: 6:39pm On Oct 19, 2011
Eko Ile:

I'm not interested in your bogus on paper tree planting scheme? Show us pictures of your leaders planting trees and where the trees were planted.

So newspaper reports are now bogus?
Yet, the subject of this thread came off a newspaper report

How do we classify you?

On the issue of photos, I guess not everyone likes to be in the camera like Fashola for every FLIMSY REASON. Does that mean they are not working?
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by lagcity(m): 10:31pm On Oct 19, 2011
karpenter:

@Eko Ile.
Why do you hate the Ibos that much? You are supposed to be female! Females don't hate like that. I have never seen a thing like this before. Abeg take am easy.

Eko Ile is female, really? wow surprise. i've always thought Eko Ile is male.

[size=16pt]Anyway, Let's stop this tribal bashing, enough is enough haba![/size]
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by EkoIle1: 10:51pm On Oct 19, 2011
lagcity:

Eko Ile is female, really? wow surprise. i've always thought Eko Ile is male.

[size=16pt]Anyway, Let's stop this tribal bashing, enough is enough haba![/size]



Don't be so gullible.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by 2mch(m): 10:54pm On Oct 19, 2011
SE really needs to study their ecological environment. There may be some certain specie of trees that are being cut, which may have been creating a balance in their ecological system. All terrains are different. They need specialists to come and study the problem. It will also help if they can redirect the flow of water, and build dams. Who knows, they can even turn this into a benefit by building power stations through the dams. Seems like a very wet region during the rainy season.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by EkoIle1: 11:09pm On Oct 19, 2011
SEner:

Eko Ile:

So newspaper reports are now bogus?
Yet, the subject of this thread came off a newspaper report


How do we classify you?

On the issue of photos, I guess not everyone likes to be in the camera like Fashola for every FLIMSY REASON. Does that mean they are not working?


Apples and oranges. The article is blessed with a picture of the actual event, the bogus crap he posted has nothing beyond talk.

ibo leaders are known for their meaningless and idle talk, they yell rubbish like massive, mega, largest and other ridiculous unsubstantiated rubbish, but theirs always no substance.

Btw, if they don't like to be on photo, but they like to take photos of the roundabouts and the olodos on NL love to pull those pictures and post on NL to brag with.

Abeg stop.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by EkoIle1: 11:18pm On Oct 19, 2011
SEner:

I do not know how the SE is hillier and more flooded than Oyo and Ogun and Osun and Ondo

Some ignoramuses and their ways


You need to slap yourself for not knowing that SE is fcukked up regarding floods and erosion, this is a reflection of your own ignorance and lack of any kind of understanding about your own environment, towns and villages.

What's next? SE and SW has the same ecological settings. What a dumb a/s/s

I honestly think you looked in the mirror before you typed ignoramuses
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by EkoIle1: 11:38pm On Oct 19, 2011
SEner:


But I asked that you confirm that Igbo Govs deliberately cut down trees. I know that many states have tree planting programs. I participated in them many years ago. I am not sure that hewing down trees occurs more in SE than elsewhere and you may want to consider the fact that the erosion problem in the entire east of Nigeria (SE/SS) is due more to soil structure than soil cover.

My political response was to the likes of Eko Ile who assume that because Fasola plants a few trees, no other Gov does.
Ultimately most regions of the south suffer similar ecological problems, of course, to different extents
The only ecological problem perculiar to specific groups is desertification in the core north and ocean surge in the coastal states.


Beyond platitudes and empty talk, show me any picture of your leaders planting trees? That shouldn't be hard to do.


Your kinfolk posted some article about tree planting and after reading the yeye article, they planted only 10 freeking trees? How do you set off a tree plantine program and all you did was plant just 10 freeking trees?

Lagos state alone planted 3 million trees and you jokers are talking about some 10 trees planting program


Are you people for real?
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by ProfJYK(m): 9:24am On Oct 20, 2011
Dont know why this bashing must continue here. i hope this is going to bring reasoning back to us all.

tree planting is not the complete solution the erosion in the Southeast. pictures of erosion sites on this thread has shown that the soil is not exposed directly to the unbroken force of the rain. that zone has a problem that starts from its soil make up. not everything taught in elementary science and biology is what it seems. gaping sinkholes appear in the middle of forests.

if it is just be the presence of trees, what will we say about the northern parts of the country where u drive for hours before seeing greenery? the trees present in some stretches of land in Niger State are so thinly distributed that u can build four Palms Shopping Malls without having to fell trees.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by naijaking1: 9:37am On Oct 20, 2011
^^^
Prof. You're one person who definitely needs basic education in ecology and environmental balance of the ecosystem.
The pic. of erosion you see tell you nothing, because the erosion started way upstream, then gathers momemtum, and finally produces a visible effect. Trees are not the only thing needed for erosion control, but why is that anywhere you have an erosion, there is always a history of and trace of excavation, tree cutting/clearing, or some unplanned attempt to interfer with natural drainage.
Proper management of trees and landscape is the most cost effective and natural means of erosion control, not going to beg for billions of naira from Abuja.
Go read a book embarassed
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by ProfJYK(m): 9:52am On Oct 20, 2011
naijaking we are saying the almost same thing: it takes more than tree planting to fight it. the thread has been turned to governor plant trees versus governor no plant tree and i am saying there is more to stopping it than just tree planting. please dont get me wrong.

and from the little i have read, most erosions (gully like those in the southeast) start at the base (stream or river), and when the highland around it cant be supported anymore, all falls down. and but then let me not spend time teaching he who reads.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by asha80(m): 11:39pm On Oct 21, 2011
erosion problems in the south east is more about the soil texture than felling of trees.
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by SEner: 12:32am On Oct 22, 2011
asha 80:

erosion problems in the south east is more about the soil texture than felling of trees.

SEner:


I am not sure that hewing down trees occurs more in SE than elsewhere and you may want to consider the fact that the erosion problem in the entire east of Nigeria (SE/SS) is due more to soil structure than soil cover.



Eko Ile:


Beyond platitudes and empty talk, show me any picture of your leaders planting trees? That shouldn't be hard to do.


Your kinfolk posted some article about tree planting and after reading the yeye article, they planted only 10 freeking trees? How do you set off a tree plantine program and all you did was plant just 10 freeking trees?

Lagos state alone planted 3 million trees and you jokers are talking about some 10 trees planting program


Are you people for real?

I guess you cannot beat a dead dog (Eko Ile) more than this. You let him die and rot
Re: Landslide Hits Enugu After Heavy Rainfall by rakel05(f): 11:41am On Nov 02, 2011
Government do something, am not from Enugu but good road is the best thing. Xmas is around the corner.

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