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Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 2:18pm On Oct 23, 2011
Now this thread is not for the bashing of one religion over the other.

It is simply to ask some questions and get valid answers.

Is it godly to shout GOD is great when killing another fellow human being  undecided

Is it godly to beat a wounded man to pulp and then shoot him through the head at close range and scream God is great in the process. undecided

Is it godly to scream hysterically God is great while displaying pieces of meat ( too graphic to show ) from black rebel pro- Gadaffi soldiers?  undecided

Is it godly to capture the son of Gaddafi offer him water and a cigarette and then shoot him through the neck while shouting God is great.  undecided

Is it godly to murder in cold blood blacks in Libya who had nothing to do with the carnage while shouting God is great ?   undecided

I am no supporter of Gaddafi , a trial and sentence would have been the civilised way forward.

But to kill him and drag his body through the streets half n.aked while giving all glory to GOD is nothing short of uncivilised violent behaviour.


Watch the video with the link below and tell me this is right 



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8843066/Captured-the-last-moments-of-Colonel-Gaddafi.html
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 2:32pm On Oct 23, 2011
Regardless of who they gave glory to or how "uncivilized" they looked, THIS IS WAR. I'm a vet, I would know. Someone who represses you for 42 years, turns anti aircraft guns at protesters, blows up houses and maims children doesn't need a trial. he called them rats then hid inside a filthy drainage pipe. Who's the rat now?
Frankly, the guy died too fast. I know what it's like to lose fellow soldiers, you can sit behind a computer and pass judgement but pesonally I would have killed him slower than that. AND I SMIRK WHEN I THINK OF MUTASSIM CHOKING ON HIS OWN BLOOD AFTER BEING SHOT IN THE NECK. NOW, IF ONLY BABANGIDA COULD GET THE SAME TREATMENT FOR DELE GIWA, THAT WOULD BE SWEET JUSTICE. TYRANTS DESERVE WHAT THEY GET, GODS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Get off your moral highhorse, you just want an opportunity to denounce Islam.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 2:35pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:

Regardless of who they gave glory to or how "uncivilized" they looked. THIS IS WAR. I'm a vet, I would know. Someone represses you for 42 years, turns anti aircraft guns at protesters, blows up houses and maims children.
Frankly, the guy died too fast. I know what it's like to lose fellow soldiers, you can sit behind a computer and pass juddgement but pesonally I would have killed him slower than that. AND I SMIRK WHEN I THINK OF MUTASSIM CHOKING ON HIS OWN BLOOD AFTER BEING SHOT IN THE NECK. NOW, IF ONLY BABANGIDA COULD GET THE SAME TREATMENT FOR DELE GIWA. TYRANTS DESERVE WHAT THEY GET, GODS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Get off your moral highhorse, you just want an opportunity to denounce Islam.

So two wrongs make a right 

How can you call yourself civilised when acting as barbaric as the people you call barbaric.

And what about the shouting of God is great when killing many innocent west Africans who were caught in the mayhem.

Please make a better argument !!!

And I warn you , stick to the point, do not derail this thread .
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 2:40pm On Oct 23, 2011
frosbel:

So two wrongs make a right

How can you call yourself civilised when acting as barbaric as the people you call barbaric.

And what about the shouting of God is great when killing many innocent west Africans who were caught in the mayhem.

Please make a better argument !!!

And I warn you , stick to the point, do not derail this thread

Innocent west africans? You mean gaddafi's mercenaries? Like the one with the dreadlocked head that was chopped off on the other side of the drainage pipe? Those "innocent west africans"? The ones who were part of the convoy that was blown up by NATO? I'm not calling anyone barbaric, I said when it's war, things happen and a person who doesn'tt respect the rules of engagement doesn't deserve the same courtesy. Gaddafi never respected human life, why should I value his?

Gods don't have anything to do with it.
I saw a black guy among the rebels, so don't make it into a race issue.

You warn me? Why don't you shove your warning where the sun don't shine?
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 2:48pm On Oct 23, 2011
Don't turn this into a religious issue, don't turn this into a race issue, these are all your perceptions.

My expectation from you , is based on the assumption that you are enlightened with the capacity for an intellectual and honest analysis , not childish school play ground gimmicks.

I asked simple questions that require simple answers.

Again let us remain civil and stay on topic.

Have you heard of the geneva convention with regard to prisoners of war


Geneva convention , Articles 13 to 16 state that "prisoners of war must be treated humanely without any adverse discrimination and that their medical needs must be met."


So are you telling me that killing Gaddafi and his sons in a most hideous manner while shouting God is great is fine even though this is in complete contravention of international law.

Then why do the UN, USA and UK want an enquiry into Gaddaffis murder ?
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 3:02pm On Oct 23, 2011
i sincerely believe that what was done to Qaddafi was wrong and un-Islamic.

we muslims have a Prophet,Muhammad (sa),who used to walk in the desert sun while he allows his prisoners of war ride his camels and horses while he and his followers would walk in the hot desert sun.

what those people did was un-Islamic.personally,i do not like Qaddafi and i know he is a criminal who terrorized his people and other nations too.he could have being brought to trial.

come to think of it again,i think killing gaddafi in that manner was the wish of the powers above both in libya and outside libya.

i really hope that this is not an attempt again by "frosbel" to judge islam as a religion based on the wrong actions of muslims.

otherwise,let me call to "frosbel's" notice that Mrs.Clinton was actually laughing and celebrating at the news of Gaddafi's death.we can also hold christianity for that!

Hillary Clinton happy and Laughing About Gaddafi's Death.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 3:10pm On Oct 23, 2011
LagosShia:

i sincerely believe that what was done to Qaddafi was wrong and un-Islamic.

Good

we muslims have a Prophet,Muhammad (sa),who used to walk in the desert sun while he allows his prisoners of war ride his car ride his camels and horses while he and his followers would walk in the hot desert sun.

Good for you

what those people did was un-Islamic.personally,i do not like Qaddafi and i know he is a criminal who terrorized his people and other nations too.he could have being brought to trial.

Agreed

come to think of it again,i think killing gaddafi in that manner was the wish of the powers above both in libya and outside libya.

But why shout GOD is great in the process  undecided

i really hope that this is not an attempt again by "frosbel" to judge islam as a religion based on the wrong actions of muslims.

Again, as I have said a million times over  , it takes only a minority to tarnish the image of the majority. But that is besides the point. I am against killing him in that fashion and shouting God is great in the process.

This was an old man who was already severely wounded, and then to beat him up before killing him , I think that is madness !!

Also why dismember the rebel soldiers, display their parts and scream God is great .


otherwise,let me call to "frosbel's" notice that Mrs.Clinton was actually laughing and celebrating at the news of Gaddafi's death.we can also hold christianity for that!

Like you I agree that the west was behind this whole event and Mrs. Clinton laughing as I saw earlier, is sickening and shows a coldness from the ruling elite of American politics.

If anyone thinks that the current leadership is on a higher moral ground than Gaddafi they are jokers.

Gaddafi did more for his people than any other African ruler, a simple but hard fact to accept.


Please satisfy my curiosity and just tell me why God must be glorified when murdering a human being. Simple innocent question except you want to turn it into something else.

I promise not to make this an ISLAMIC or Christian bashing thread  grin
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 3:12pm On Oct 23, 2011
PLEASE CAN SOMEONE SINCERELY TELL US AFTER WATCHING THIS VIDEO,WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AMERICAN SECRETARY OF STATE,HILARY CLINTON,WHO IS EXPECTED TO BE EDUCATED AND EXPOSED AND THOSE UNLEARNED AND IGNORANT PEOPLE IN ZAMFARA STATE WHO WERE JUBILATING AT THE 9/11 ATTACKS IN NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON?
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 3:18pm On Oct 23, 2011
frosbel:

Don't turn this into a religious issue, don't turn this into a race issue, these are all your perceptions.
My expectation from you , is based on the assumption that you are enlightened with the capacity for an intellectual and honest analysis , not childish school play ground gimmicks.
I asked simple questions that require simple answers.
Again let us remain civil and stay on topic.
Have you heard of the geneva convention with regard to prisoners of war
Geneva convention , Articles 13 to 16 state that "prisoners of war must be treated humanely without any adverse discrimination and that their medical needs must be met."
So are you telling me that killing Gaddafi and his sons in a most hideous manner while shouting God is great is fine even though this is in complete contravention of international law.
Then why do the UN, USA and UK want an enquiry into Gaddaffis murder ?

Don't turn this into a religious debate?
frosbel:

Now this thread is not for the bashing of one religion over the other.

It is simply to ask some questions and get valid answers.

Is it godly to shout GOD is great when killing another fellow human being  undecided
You brought god into it.

frosbel:

So two wrongs make a right  

And what about the shouting of God is great when killing many innocent west Africans who were caught in the mayhem.

You brought race into it. Merccenaries are not innocent.

My stance rermains, if the psycho didn't give a damn about the geneva convetion while he was busy murdering for 4 decades, why should it apply to him?

The U.S et al want an emquiry just to save face,nothing but pure politics.

I aready answered.  I WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM SLOWER THAN THEY DID. You can call me barbaric, but I have an idea what those guys were feeling. Tyrants deserve to feel the pain they inflict on other people, gods ain't going to do anything because they don't exist.
As for the rebel and their shouts of Allahu Akbar, I guess theyt are just grateful to Allah that their oppressor had been delivered into their hands.

Really get off your moral high horse, you holy book has stories of your god commanding babies heads to be dashed against a rock. Yahweh would be satisfied with what happened to Gaddafi. grin
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 3:22pm On Oct 23, 2011
LagosShia:

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE SINCERELY TELL US AFTER WATCHING THIS VIDEO,WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AMERICAN SECRETARY OF STATE,HILARY CLINTON,WHO IS EXPECTED TO BE EDUCATED AND EXPOSED AND THOSE UNLEARNED AND IGNORANT PEOPLE IN ZAMFARA STATE WHO WERE JUBILATING AT THE 9/11 ATTACKS IN NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON?

The difference is Clinton celebretated the death of a tyrant (everyone forgot about lockerbie already? what about him sponsoring conflict in Chad, where he recruited some mercenaries by the way)  while the people of Zamfara celebrated the murder of 3000 civilians.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 3:24pm On Oct 23, 2011
frosbel:

But why shout GOD is great in the process  undecided

i can only speculate since those rebels would be in the best position to answer your question.

i think every oppressor/tyrant sees himself as "god".infact they do not fear God and gaddafi was no difference until the moment he was captured and was begging for mercy!

no mercy was shown to him as he did not show others mercy.at the fall of a tyrant,those shotuing God is Greatest may be doing that to show that no human being is as great as God Himself.

personally,i believe that if gaddafi is tried in a court of law,he does deserve to die.i only disagree with the manner he was treated and killed.that is unfair and barbaric.


Again, as I have said a million times over  , it takes only a minority to tarnish the image of the majority. But that is besides the point. I am against killing him in that fashion and shouting God is great in the process.
agreed.that is even why i brought out the video on hilary clinton jubilating.


This was an old man who was already severely wounded, and then to beat him up before killing him , I think that is madness !!
that was unfair and ungodly.they were being brutal and oppressive also.


Also why dismember the rebel soldiers, display their parts and scream God is great .

well,gaddafi the head of state in libya was a mad man,so what would you expect from those he led for forty years?  grin


Like you I agree that the west was behind this whole event and Mrs. Clinton laughing as I saw earlier, is sickening and shows a coldness from the ruling elite of American politics.

If anyone thinks that the current leadership is on a higher moral ground than Gaddafi they are jokers.

true.


Gaddafi did more for his people than any other African ruler, a simple but hard fact to accept.

well,the one eye man is king in the kingdom of the blind!


Please satisfy my curiosity and just tell me why God must be glorified when murdering a human being. Simple innocent question except you want to turn it into something else.

I promise not to make this an ISLAMIC or Christian bashing thread  grin



ive done that above.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 3:26pm On Oct 23, 2011
I aready answered.  I WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM SLOWER THAN THEY DID. You can call me barbaric, but I have an idea what those guys were feeling. Tyrants deserve to feel the pain they inflict on other people, gods ain't going to do anything because they don't exist.
As for the rebel and their shouts of Allahu Akbar, I guess theyt are just grateful to Allah that their oppressor had been delivered into their hands.

In your own words you have explained to the whole forum the mind of an atheist, torture your enemies and kill those who do not agree with you.

Stalin if alive today would have been so proud of you  grin

Really get off your moral high horse, you holy book has stories of your god commanding babies heads to be dashed against a rock. Yahweh would be satisfied with what happened to Gaddafi. grin

Though I can debate you on this to oblivion, what has this got to do with the topic. I refuse to derail .

Please stay on point !!
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 3:28pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:

The difference is Clinton celebretated the death of a tyrant (everyone forgot about lockerbie already? what about him sponsoring conflict in Chad, where he recruited some mercenaries by the way)  while the people of Zamfara celebrated the murder of 3000 civilians.

to the people of Zamfara and muslims the world over,american bombs are responsible for what you can see below:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-786941.0.html

and mind you,i said that the people of zamfara who jubilated are ignorant and unlearned,so i am not justifying the foolishness.

i am not comparing the criminal actions of gaddafi and the 9/11 attacks which targetted innocent people.

i am comparing two ignorant people:hilary clinton and those in zamfara.

the blond one with blue eyes is celebrated while those in zamfara are castigated and called names.unfair world!
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 3:39pm On Oct 23, 2011
frosbel:

In your own words you have explained to the whole forum the mind of an atheist, torture your enemies and kill those who do not agree with you.
Stalin if alive today would have been so proud of you  grin
Though I can debate you on this to oblivion, what has this got to do with the topic. I refuse to derail .
Please stay on point !!

Don't say the "mindset of an atheist" and don't bring communist Stalin into this because this is not about athesim or even communism.
First of all, I said I would KILL HIM SLOWLY and not all atheists will agree with me. BUT I WOULD.
Second, Stalin was killing innocents because of communism and since I'm not a communist, you have to stop bringing up the same ridiculous rhetoric.
Third, I din't say I wanted to kill people who don't agree with me, I mean, "Tyrants deserve what they get regardless of how they get it". Mussolini was killed then hung upside down at the same gas station where he did the same to people who opposed his authoritarian rule a year earlier. THAT'S POETIC JUSTICE AND GADDAFI DIED TOO FAST.

Now go ahead and generalise all atheists again.

Debate me to oblivion indeed! Delusions of grandeur?
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 3:48pm On Oct 23, 2011
LagosShia:

to the people of Zamfara and muslims the world over,american bombs are responsible for what you can see below:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-786941.0.html

and mind you,i said that the people of zamfara who jubilated are ignorant and unlearned,so i am not justifying the foolishness.
I am not comparing the criminal actions of gaddafi and the 9/11 attacks which targetted innocent people.
i am comparing two ignorant people:hilary clinton and those in zamfara.
the blond one with blue eyes is celebrated while those in zamfara are castigated and called names.unfair world!

I find America's infallible support of Israel disconcerting but those pictures on that thread just tell one side of the story. What about the rockets that are fired inside Israeli borders? What about  the suicide bombers? What about your fellow muslims who have refused to recognize the state of Israel, NO MATTER WHAT?

Clinton celebrated the death of one Man who I'm sure you didn't regard as innocent, judging by these comment below.
LagosShia:

well,gaddafi the head of state in libya was a mad man,so what would you expect from those he led for forty years?  grin
well,the one eye man is king in the kingdom of the blind!

So tell me, why compare the death of a "mad man" with the death of  3000 innocent non combatants?

Besides, clinton may be blond but she doesn't have blue eyes. Are you trying to inject race here?
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 3:55pm On Oct 23, 2011
frosbel:

This was an old man who was already severely wounded, and then to beat him up before killing him , I think that is madness !!

Also why dismember the rebel soldiers, display their parts and scream God is great .


Like you I agree that the west was behind this whole event and Mrs. Clinton laughing as I saw earlier, is sickening and shows a coldness from the ruling elite of American politics.

If anyone thinks that the current leadership is on a higher moral ground than Gaddafi they are jokers.


Gaddafi did more for his people than any other African ruler, a simple but hard fact to accept.

Let's turn Gaddafi into a saint now, why don't we? An old man indeed. If he was so old, why didn't he just retire?
How many old men do you see running around, playing soldier, rolling around with convoys armed with machine guns, wield gold plated pistols, call his citizens rats (instead of just stepping down by the way, to avoid needless bloodshed) and then play hide and seek in a drainage pipe like a f@cking rat?

Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 4:04pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:

I find America's infallible support of Israel disconcerting but those pictures on that thread just tell one side of the story. What about the rockets that are fired inside Israeli borders? What about  the suicide bombers? What about your fellow muslims who have refused to recognize the state of Israel, NO MATTER WHAT?

i would not answer those propaganda questions here and change the topic into multiple unending topics and debate.you can raise them up in that thread and let its OP and others reply you if your answers are not already found there.i am sure you will find them there.


Clinton celebrated the death of one Man who I'm sure you didn't regard as innocent, judging by these comment below.
So tell me, why compare the death of a "mad man" with the death of  3000 innocent non combatants?
i really dont know why you're bent on twisting other people's words.

i am not here comparing the death of one man or one million men.death is death and life is life.the OP of this thread (frosbel) is not even talking about what or who gaddafi was or stood for.we are only against the manner he was treated.it is barbaric.you said you could have done worse.then you are more barbaric!

also,i am not justifying killing anyone.i am only against the brutality of Mrs.Clinton and her show of being uncivilized to say the least by celebrating the death of a head of state in the hands of mobs.is that the democracy and civilization america is boasting of?what about human rights?does gaddafi have the right to be taken to court?is it no longer "innocent until proven guilty"?what is america turning this world into?


Besides, clinton may be blond but she doesn't have blue eyes. Are you trying to inject race here?

you can understand it the way you like.but dont dare call me a racist because you'd be dead wrong!
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 4:14pm On Oct 23, 2011
LagosShia:

.we are only against the manner he was treated.it is barbaric.you said you could have done worse.then you are more barbaric!
also,i am not justifying killing anyone.i am only against the brutality of[b] Mrs.Clinton and her show of being uncivilized to say the least by celebrating the death of a head of state in the hands of mobs.[/b]is that the democracy and civilization america is boasting of?what about human rights?does gaddafi have the right to be taken to court?is it no longer "innocent until proven guilty"?what is america turning this world into?
you can understand it the way you like.but dont dare call me a racist because you'd be dead wrong!

Ok, I am more barbaric. lol
Clinton rejoiced at his death and I have a picture of his bloodied useless face on my iPad, I guess Americans are indeed uncivilized! lol

What about human rights?? Gaddafi relinquished that right when he turned mercenaries with anti aircraft machine guns on his own people. He didn't have the right to enforce his rule of a whole country and wehn the other people said enough is enough, he should have listened. He might have even have benn exiled to his "friend" Berlusconi's country.  He chose to fight because he was a barbarian who insisted on killing people who don't agree with him so he died like a barbarian at the hands of those same people. Allahu akbar grin A "mob" didn't kill him, the people he was trying to kill, killed him. That's war.

Innocent until proven guilty? Lets ask his victims from 4 decades of authoritarian rule.

Why are you blaming his death at the hands of a LIBYAN mob on America anyway? Before he was caught, what was he doing to those people who killed him? Wasn't he killing them? Did gaddafi care about their human rights?

You say it was wrong, I say he had it coming. It's all relative, you think he didn't deserve that, I think he deserved worse.

All tyrants and terrorists deserve this. Catch them and put bullets in their faces.

If Muttasim Gaddaffi wasn't spending $2m a month of Libyan money like his ex girlfriend alleges, people wouldn't have taken up arms against the gaddafi family. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS GIVE UP POWER.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 4:24pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:


What about human rights?? Gaddafi relinquished that right when he turned mercenaries with anti aircraft machine guns on his own people. He didn't have the right to enforce his rule of a whole country and wehn the other people said enough is enough, he should have listened. He might have even have benn exiled to his "friend" Berlusconi's country.  He chose to fight because he was a barbarian who insisted on killing people who don't agree with him so he died like a barbarian at the hands of those same people. Allahu akbar grin A "mob" didn't kill him, the people he was trying to kill, killed him. That's war.
Innocent until proven guilty? Lets ask his victims from 4 decades of authoritarian rule.
two wrongs dont make a right.those people who are fighting him behaved worse than mob.they claim to be fighting for freedom and a better country.would jungle justice build a brighter future and better libya?


Why are you blaming his death at the hands of a LIBYAN mob on America anyway? Before he was caught, what was he doing to those people who killed him? Wasn't he killing them? Did gaddafi care about their human rights?
you have Mrs.Clinton celebrating and american silent approval and you are asking such question?also didnt NATO support the rebels and bombed gaddafi?


You say it was wrong, I say he had it coming. It's all relative, you think he didn't deserve that, I think he deserved worse.
if this is what our world is turning into,then be ready for much chaos and anarchy everywhere.you're supporting it now.later,dont cry when you are victim of what you supported.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 4:43pm On Oct 23, 2011
LagosShia:

two wrongs dont make a right.those people who are fighting him behaved worse than mob.they claim to be fighting for freedom and a better country.would jungle justice build a brighter future and better libya?
you have Mrs.Clinton celebrating and american silent approval and you are asking such question?also didnt NATO support the rebels and bombed gaddafi?
if this is what our world is turning into,then be ready for much chaos and anarchy everywhere.you're supporting it now.later,dont cry when you are victim of what you supported.

Two wrongs don't make a right. That's your opinion.
Jungle justice doesn't build stable societies but Gaddafi deserved jungle justice. I know, I'm a barbarian. smiley

Yes, America and NATO blew the sh#t out of gaddafi and his army but that was after the rebels asked for help from NATO. You people forgot how this whole thing started already? Let me refresh your memory.

After Saddam got the snot kicked out of him, Gaddafi became scared and decided to be BFF with the united states and give up any "nulear ambition" he claimed he never had. Before Saddam's fall, he did as he pleased and changed because he didn't want to be next.

Fast forward to the Arab Spring and Tunisians protesting and getting their freedom from a dictator. It spread across the middle east and Hosni Mubarak said "no mas". Gaddafi was bound to be next after 40+ years and when the protests started, he brought out guns. When the people grought out guns too, he unleashed the whole army on them and hired mercenaries. Saint Muammar Gaddafi.

I'm not worried about chaos and anarchy because I'm not a dictator forcing my will on millions.

In America where people still have rights, they can protest peacefully without fear of being killed by their own army. There are definitely overzealous cops but at least they won't shoot you with helicopter gun ships like gaddafi was doing. WHICH IS WHY NATO GOT INVOLVED. THE A$SHOLE USED HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS ON HIS OWN PEOPLE!!!

Lastly, America looks out for it's own interests regardless of who's hurt but that's the nature of the world. Protect yours at all costs( AND DON'T ACT LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES DON'T DO THE SAME, THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT. JAPAN TRIED BUT GOT TWO ATOMIC BOMBS FOR THEIR TROUBLES AND MORE RECENTLY, BIN LADEN HAD SOME VISITORS IN HIS BEDROOM) Gaddafi thought Libya belonged to him and he was wrong. Maybe he should have been closer to America  grin
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 4:46pm On Oct 23, 2011
someone still does not get that no one is supporting gaddafi here or justifying his actions undecided he is just typing thinking he can win a debate and add more fire to the topic tongue
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 4:50pm On Oct 23, 2011
LagosShia:

someone still does not get that no one is supporting gaddafi here or justifying his actions undecided he is just typing thinking he can win a debate and add more fire to the topic tongue

lmao, hey, I was just responding to your posts. You said he didn't deserve it and I said he did and outlined my reasons. All you said was he didn't deserve it and then shifted the blame to America, NATO and the rebels. You said he derved humans rights and a trial and I said he didn't deserve them because he never gave them to people. Then I refreshed your memory about how the conflict started and his actions because you seemed to have forgotten that this wasn't just a random old f3ck who got killed. A barbarian got what was coming to him.
HE DESERVED WORSE.

Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings?


grin That wasn't murder, that was an execution of a murderer.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 4:56pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:

lmao, hey, I was just responding to your posts. You said he didn't deserve it and I said he did and outlined my reasons. All you said was he didn't deserve it and then shifted the blame to America, NATO and the rebels. You said he derved humans rights and a trial and I said he didn't deserve them because he never gave them to people. Then I refreshed your memory about how the conflict started and his actions because you seemed to have forgotten that this wasn't just a random old f3ck who got killed. A barbarian got what was coming to him.
HE DESERVED WORSE.

please do not conceal/misquote my words.when you say i said "he didnt deserve it",someone who is just reading your post may think i said gaddafi does not deserve punishment.

you have accepted that you're a barbarian.i said i am against the barbaric way he was treated while you say you are with the barbaric way gaddafi was treated and you could have done much worse.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 5:03pm On Oct 23, 2011
LagosShia:

please do not conceal/misquote my words.when you say i said "he didnt deserve it",someone who is just reading your post may think i said gaddafi does not deserve punishment.

you have accepted that you're a barbarian.i said i am against the barbaric way he was treated while you say you are with the barbaric way gaddafi was treated and you could have done much worse.

Well you said he didn't deserve to die like that and I disagreed. This wasn't about whether he deserved to be punished because everyone agrees on that. It's the manner we don't agree on and in this instance you can definitely call me a barbarian.

Much worse means I would have subjected him to at least an hour of the same kind of torture he subjected people to, put him on trial and then give him the guillotine.

Y'all might thinnk your god will punish him in some place called hell, but I don't believe in fairy tales and afterlife punishment so he gets to feel the pain he subjected people to while he is still alive( besides if god exists, all the clown had to do was ask for forgiveness and he'll be forgiven and go to mythical utopia. Ain't that the beauty of the Abrahamic faiths? be a murderous asshat and ask for forgiveness. F#ck that.) So in my barbaric opinion, the a$shole died too fast. grin
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 5:07pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:

Well you said he didn't deserve to die like that and I disagreed. This wasn't about whether he deserved to be punished because everyone agrees on that. It's the manner we don't agree on and in this instance you can definitely call me a barbarian.

Much worse means I would have subjected him to at least an hour of the same kind of torture he subjected people to, put him on trial and then give him the guillotine.

Y'all might thinnk your god will punish him in some place called hell, but I don't believe in fairy tales and afterlife punishment so he gets to feel the pain he subjected people to while he is still alive. So in my barbaric opinion, the a$shole died too fast. grin

for those atheists who claim religion is violent and this and that,people should see based on your above words what atheists have in store for humanity.you sound so humane and merciful lipsrsealed

so because you do not believe in hell,you want to turn this earth into your own hell for your fellow human beings.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 5:09pm On Oct 23, 2011
LagosShia:

for those atheists who claim religion is violent and this and that,people should see based on your above words what atheists have in store for humanity.you sound so humane and merciful lipsrsealed

Like I told Frosbel. I AM ONE ATHEIST. DON'T START JUDGING THE REST.

Also, I don't want to murder anyone and believe everyone has a right to live and be free. BUT I WOULD TORTURE AND EXECUTE A TYRANT IF I HAD THE CHANCE.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 5:17pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:

Like I told Frosbel. I AM ONE ATHEIST. DON'T START JUDGING THE REST.

Also, I don't want to murder anyone and believe everyone has a right to live and be free. BUT I WOULD TORTURE AND EXECUTE A TYRANT IF I HAD THE CHANCE.

I have not seen the substitute for religion that the atheists want to offer mankind.

I can only go by what famous atheists have offered mankind in the past few decades. And that will be Chairman Mao , Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot etc .

These were sworn atheists and disbelievers in God , they all loved torture and a slow death to their enemies.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 5:22pm On Oct 23, 2011
BTW , the question has not been answered.

Is it right to shout God is great or even Stalin is great when killing fellow human beings.

@Lagoshia, you would have noticed I have used the name GOD and not ALLAH to avoid hurting your feelings  cheesy

But anyway guys , answer my question.

I personally thing it is wrong.

The crusaders fought in the name of GOD , but GOD never gave them the permission for their murderous wars.

When we commit evil to our fellow man, let us not drag GOD into it, let us leave him out of our wicked actions, because he does not sanction them.

God is just , holy , righteous and loving.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Kay17: 5:26pm On Oct 23, 2011
@frosbel, God dwells in the minds of people who believe in him/her, he is whatever they want or wish him to be.

Mine is Dead
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by LagosShia: 5:33pm On Oct 23, 2011
Kay 17:

@frosbel, God dwells in the minds of people who believe in him/her, he is whatever they want or wish him to be.

Mine is Dead

no offense intended,from your words can i say you are dead?
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Sweetnecta: 5:44pm On Oct 23, 2011
@Martian; if tyranny is the reason for killing, the length of time tyrant rules should be irrelevant. Hence, i do hope that you know that we now have a tyrant in Aso Rock? so what are you gonna do about him? He is evil as they come, in a quietly unassuming manner. he steals and cons. If there was ever an okay leadership in Nigeria, the thugs in Aso Rock today is not it.

God is Great, always. People say it while they are engaged in evil. Ignorance is deadly similar to lack of faith. Ignorance does debars an one from acquiring true faith, justice and ability to have mercy.

The action of the killers of Gaddafi is similar in a very heightened manner to the action of the christian ra.pists saying Jesus Christ.

Allah does not appreciate people lacking mercy. I am sure Prophet Jesus would not have appreciate anyone mentioning his name in act of evil.

Now that Gaddafi is dead [muslims killing people and even themselves], what is the way forward; more killing and the rulers of the world moving south ward to conquer into the Atlantic Ocean?

My hope is that Gaddafi repented and had the Shahadah on her lips just before death.
Re: Is It Right To Shout God Is Great When Murdering Fellow Human Beings ? by Nobody: 5:57pm On Oct 23, 2011
frosbel:

I have not seen the substitute for religion that the atheists want to offer mankind.

I can only go by what famous atheists have offered mankind in the past few decades. And that will be Chairman Mao , Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot etc .

These were sworn atheists and disbelievers in God , they all loved torture and a slow death to their enemies.

People can be religious if they want because everyone has the right to believe in whatever helps them make sense of the world. It's only when they bring it into the public space and expect everyone to treat their beliefs with reverence that it becomes offensive e.g Intelligent design is harmless until they try to shove it down everyones throat.

Mao,Stalin and Pol Pot's killing spree where about communism and fostering loyalty to the state while eliminating all dissenters inlcuding but not limited to intellectuals, religious people, opposing ideologies etc.

HITLER WASN"T AN ATHEIST.

But do you know who's an atheist but not a communist and happens to be the leader of a country?
Julia Gillard, the prime minister of Australia. I'm 99.9% sure that she's more honest and less corrupt than every religious prime minister, president or dictator Nigeria has had since 1960.

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