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Why Did The Jews Crucify The King Of The Jews(messiah)? by Maynman: 2:10pm On Oct 28, 2023
To get Correct Interpretation of these Ancient books. You need to consider

1. Language

2. Context.
a Textual Context.
b. Historical Context.
c. Cultural Contest.


First off, who are the "Jews"? In the Book of John, Chapter 1:19 says, "The priests and Levites were sent from the "Jews"; in verse 24, it says it was the Pharisees that sent them. Anytime we see "Jews" in the Book of John, it means the ultra-legalistic Pharisees and not the Jewish population.

In the Gospel of Mark 1:22, it is mentioned how Jesus taught them as one who had authority, and not as the scribes.
In this context, the individuals with authority are the high-ranking Pharisees, and they even made a distinction in that verse, stating that the scribes didn't possess the same level of authority as they did.
As their title implies, scribes were literate men who could read and write; they were teachers too. Scribes were of the tribe of Levi, the priestly tribe.
In 1 Chronicles 24:6, it says, "Shemaiah the son of Nethaneel the scribe, one of the Levites, wrote them before the king....".
The scribes refer to the "priests and Levites" that were sent by the Pharisees/ "Jews" in the Book of John 1:19.
Mark 1:22 can be read as saying that Jesus taught them with authority like the Pharisees, unlike the scribes.

So what does it mean to teach with authority? Matthew 23:2 gives a clue.

Matthew 23:2 states, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat."
What is Moses' seat? It's a stone (basalt) seat where the head of the synagogue (Pharisees) would sit and teach with authority. In Luke 4:20, after Jesus read the book of Isaiah and closed it, he sat down. Where he sat down to preach is known as "Moses' seat."
The Pharisees, to show their reverence for the Scriptures, always stood when they read it, but when they taught the people, they sat down.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/292171094562534458/

In Matthew 23:3, Jesus told them to follow the law and also to listen to every command of the Pharisees and do what they tell you because they have authority (Moses' seat).

What does it mean to "Obey the Pharisees"? To obey the Pharisees means to follow rules and regulations that govern every aspect of life, literally from the moment you wake in the morning until the moment you sleep at night. It's a whole lifestyle, some examples are, The Shulchan Arukh, which states that we should don our right shoe first, and then the left; but tying shoes is in the opposite order – first left, then right; Including laws like how to wash your hands before eating, Laws pertaining to clothes being worn and many more.

But was Matthew 23:3 talking about this kind of laws? Was Jesus telling his disciples to follow every command the Pharisees tell them, "So do and observe whatever they tell you."

Because in Matthew 23:13-27, Jesus was lambasting these same Pharisees, calling them hypocrites and shutting off the kingdom of heaven against men.

Another clue can be found in Matthew 15:2-3, which talks about the laws pertaining to "Ritual Hand Washing." Interestingly, nowhere in the Torah are the Jewish people commanded to wash their hands. However, the rabbis have made Rabbinical Enactments that add new laws to the Torah. These laws, in Hebrew, are called "Takanot" and the "Shulchan Arukh" I mentioned earlier is one of these laws.

Matthew 15:2-3 reads: "2 Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the commandments of God for the sake of your tradition?"

In the bolded part, you can see the sharp contrast between the traditions of the elders and the commandments of God in the Torah. Jesus, in verse 3, says these traditions/the takanots/man-made laws of the Pharisees, are breaking the commandments of God.
P.S- Pharisees is the ancient name of modern Orthodox Rabbis

Now, it's important to know that there are two Torahs according to the Pharisees: the Written one called Torah and the Oral Torah called Takanot. The written Torah is what we all refer to as the five books of Moses. The Oral Torah, which has now been written down, is contained in four collections: Mishnah, Jerusalem Talmud, Babylonian Talmud, and Midrash.

One verse I find weird in one of the oral Torah, Midrash Sire Deuteronomy 154 states, "Even if they instruct you that right is left, or left is right, you must obey them."
So, When they say "obey the Pharisees and their laws," this is EXACTLY what they mean.

Though, Not all Jewish sects accept these Pharisees' Oral laws, especially the Karaites.

Up to this point, I have accurately defined who the "Jews" are in the Book of John, their use of two Torahs, and what it means to obey the "Jews" and their oral laws.

So why did the Jews Crucify the King of the Jews?
Jesus obeyed the laws of both the written Torah and the Oral Torah i.e Shema, Sabbath, Shammai etc. He only had disagreements with some of the laws specifically in the Oral Torah, known as Takanot.

The first mention of the "Jews" plotting to kill Jesus is in John 5:16-18, and the main reason was that he broke their Sabbath law, making himself lord over the Sabbath and not the other way around. It's important to note that this specific law is only found in the Oral Torah; Jesus did not break the biblical Sabbath laws(Written Torah).
Another instance of the Jews wanting to kill him is also based on his violation of the Sabbath law, as described in Matthew 12:1-8, 14.

So, which specific Oral law did he break? It's mentioned in John 5:8—the order "pick up your mat" violated [Shabbat 94b.1]
https://www.sefaria.org/Shabbat.94b.1?ven=William_Davidson_Edition_-_English&vhe=William_Davidson_Edition_-_Vocalized_Aramaic&lang=bi

While Jesus was explaining his reasons for breaking this Law, he referred to himself as Son of the Father (Bar abbas), which infuriated the Jews and intensified their desire to kill him. Additionally, Jesus Bar abbas began to gain more popularity. All this is described in John 5:17-18, John 10:29-30, and John 12:19

Calling yourself a Son of Father/Son of God is not uncommon among the Jewish people, but this phrase is reserved for royal families mostly. It was also termed "messiahs."
According to Britannica, the term "Messiah" (from Hebrew mashiaḥ, “anointed”) in Judaism refers to the expected king from the Davidic line who would liberate Israel from foreign oppression and restore the prosperity of its golden age.
Jesus was a lowly carpenter from Nazareth; even Nathaniel in John 1:46 said, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
The Jews already had a specific image of their messiah and what it composed according to their scriptures, as seen in John 7:41-42. Seeing Jesus with no royal affiliation and whose "father and mother" they knew got them confused, as stated in John 6:42.

In the 1st century AD, the understanding of "Messiah" literally meant a JEWISH KING. In John 6:15, when the Jewish people wanted to make Jesus a king, he fled.

While writing this article, I discovered a great insight, and I even had to rename my title. I'll continue this discussion in another article.

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Re: Why Did The Jews Crucify The King Of The Jews(messiah)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:41pm On Oct 28, 2023
I copied and pasted this into my Text to Speech engine and discovered that I slept off before I could listen to half of what you posted there.

Absolute reason I always sleep in the church when internet is out of reach. The gospel is boring

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Re: Why Did The Jews Crucify The King Of The Jews(messiah)? by Maynman: 4:52pm On Oct 28, 2023
FOLYKAZE:
I copied and pasted this into my Text to Speech engine and discovered that I slept off before I could listen to half of what you posted there.

Absolute reason I always sleep in the church when internet is out of reach. The gospel is boring
Lol, this is a shorter version.
We have king of the Jews(Christ) and we have Son of Father (Bar Abbas), they are the same person. wink
Re: Why Did The Jews Crucify The King Of The Jews(messiah)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:39pm On Oct 28, 2023
Maynman:

Lol, this is a shorter version.
We have king of the Jews(Christ) and we have Son of Father (Bar Abbas), they are the same person. wink

I can only imagine that the messiah is histotic
Re: Why Did The Jews Crucify The King Of The Jews(messiah)? by Maynman: 8:00pm On Nov 02, 2023
Re: Why Did The Jews Crucify The King Of The Jews(messiah)? by Lawag3: 8:44pm On Nov 02, 2023
Maynman:
To get Correct Interpretation of these Ancient books. You need to consider

1. Language

2. Context.
a Textual Context.
b. Historical Context.
c. Cultural Contest.


First off, who are the "Jews"? In the Book of John, Chapter 1:19 says, "The priests and Levites were sent from the "Jews"; in verse 24, it says it was the Pharisees that sent them. Anytime we see "Jews" in the Book of John, it means the ultra-legalistic Pharisees and not the Jewish population.

In the Gospel of Mark 1:22, it is mentioned how Jesus taught them as one who had authority, and not as the scribes.
In this context, the individuals with authority are the high-ranking Pharisees, and they even made a distinction in that verse, stating that the scribes didn't possess the same level of authority as they did.
As their title implies, scribes were literate men who could read and write; they were teachers too. Scribes were of the tribe of Levi, the priestly tribe.
In 1 Chronicles 24:6, it says, "Shemaiah the son of Nethaneel the scribe, one of the Levites, wrote them before the king....".
The scribes refer to the "priests and Levites" that were sent by the Pharisees/ "Jews" in the Book of John 1:19.
Mark 1:22 can be read as saying that Jesus taught them with authority like the Pharisees, unlike the scribes.

So what does it mean to teach with authority? Matthew 23:2 gives a clue.

Matthew 23:2 states, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat."
What is Moses' seat? It's a stone (basalt) seat where the head of the synagogue (Pharisees) would sit and teach with authority. In Luke 4:20, after Jesus read the book of Isaiah and closed it, he sat down. Where he sat down to preach is known as "Moses' seat."
The Pharisees, to show their reverence for the Scriptures, always stood when they read it, but when they taught the people, they sat down.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/292171094562534458/

In Matthew 23:3, Jesus told them to follow the law and also to listen to every command of the Pharisees and do what they tell you because they have authority (Moses' seat).

What does it mean to "Obey the Pharisees"? To obey the Pharisees means to follow rules and regulations that govern every aspect of life, literally from the moment you wake in the morning until the moment you sleep at night. It's a whole lifestyle, some examples are, The Shulchan Arukh, which states that we should don our right shoe first, and then the left; but tying shoes is in the opposite order – first left, then right; Including laws like how to wash your hands before eating, Laws pertaining to clothes being worn and many more.

But was Matthew 23:3 talking about this kind of laws? Was Jesus telling his disciples to follow every command the Pharisees tell them, "So do and observe whatever they tell you."

Because in Matthew 23:13-27, Jesus was lambasting these same Pharisees, calling them hypocrites and shutting off the kingdom of heaven against men.

Another clue can be found in Matthew 15:2-3, which talks about the laws pertaining to "Ritual Hand Washing." Interestingly, nowhere in the Torah are the Jewish people commanded to wash their hands. However, the rabbis have made Rabbinical Enactments that add new laws to the Torah. These laws, in Hebrew, are called "Takanot" and the "Shulchan Arukh" I mentioned earlier is one of these laws.

Matthew 15:2-3 reads: "2 Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the commandments of God for the sake of your tradition?"

In the bolded part, you can see the sharp contrast between the traditions of the elders and the commandments of God in the Torah. Jesus, in verse 3, says these traditions/the takanots/man-made laws of the Pharisees, are breaking the commandments of God.
P.S- Pharisees is the ancient name of modern Orthodox Rabbis

Now, it's important to know that there are two Torahs according to the Pharisees: the Written one called Torah and the Oral Torah called Takanot. The written Torah is what we all refer to as the five books of Moses. The Oral Torah, which has now been written down, is contained in four collections: Mishnah, Jerusalem Talmud, Babylonian Talmud, and Midrash.

One verse I find weird in one of the oral Torah, Midrash Sire Deuteronomy 154 states, "Even if they instruct you that right is left, or left is right, you must obey them."
So, When they say "obey the Pharisees and their laws," this is EXACTLY what they mean.

Though, Not all Jewish sects accept these Pharisees' Oral laws, especially the Karaites.

Up to this point, I have accurately defined who the "Jews" are in the Book of John, their use of two Torahs, and what it means to obey the "Jews" and their oral laws.

So why did the Jews Crucify the King of the Jews?
Jesus obeyed the laws of both the written Torah and the Oral Torah i.e Shema, Sabbath, Shammai etc. He only had disagreements with some of the laws specifically in the Oral Torah, known as Takanot.

The first mention of the "Jews" plotting to kill Jesus is in John 5:16-18, and the main reason was that he broke their Sabbath law, making himself lord over the Sabbath and not the other way around. It's important to note that this specific law is only found in the Oral Torah; Jesus did not break the biblical Sabbath laws(Written Torah).
Another instance of the Jews wanting to kill him is also based on his violation of the Sabbath law, as described in Matthew 12:1-8, 14.

So, which specific Oral law did he break? It's mentioned in John 5:8—the order "pick up your mat" violated [Shabbat 94b.1]
https://www.sefaria.org/Shabbat.94b.1?ven=William_Davidson_Edition_-_English&vhe=William_Davidson_Edition_-_Vocalized_Aramaic&lang=bi

While Jesus was explaining his reasons for breaking this Law, he referred to himself as Son of the Father (Bar abbas), which infuriated the Jews and intensified their desire to kill him. Additionally, Jesus Bar abbas began to gain more popularity. This is described in John 5:17-18, John 10:29-30, and John 12:19

Calling yourself a Son of Father/Son of God is not uncommon among the Jewish people, but this phrase is reserved for royal families mostly. It was also termed "messiahs."
According to Britannica, the term "Messiah" (from Hebrew mashiaḥ, “anointed”) in Judaism refers to the expected king from the Davidic line who would liberate Israel from foreign oppression and restore the prosperity of its golden age.
Jesus was a lowly carpenter from Nazareth; even Nathaniel in John 1:46 said, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
The Jews already had a specific image of their messiah and what it composed according to their scriptures, as seen in John 7:41-42. Seeing Jesus with no royal affiliation and whose "father and mother" they knew got them confused, as stated in John 6:42.

In the 1st century AD, the understanding of "Messiah" literally meant a JEWISH KING. In John 6:15, when the Jewish people wanted to make Jesus a king, he fled.

While writing this article, I discovered a great insight, and I even had to rename my title. I'll continue this discussion in another article.





Correction number 1 in Matthew 23:3 Jesus wasn't telling the people to obey the Pharisees In Matthew 23:3, Jesus is talking about the hypocrisy of the religious leaders of his time. He says, "Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long." A phylactery was a small box containing scripture that was worn on the head or arm, and tassels were strings on the corners of garments, as required by Jewish law. Jesus is saying that the religious leaders of his time did these things not out of devotion, but to show off to others. He is criticizing their superficial and empty faith. kiss
Jesus did not want to be seen as a political leader that wasn't his calling
Jesus died to save us it was his destiny to die. It was prophecied in the Bible.

Re: Why Did The Jews Crucify The King Of The Jews(messiah)? by Maynman: 8:50pm On Nov 02, 2023
Lawag3:


Correction number 1 in Matthew 23:3 Jesus wasn't telling the people to obey the Pharisees
Matthew 23:3
So Practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.

The Pharisees are the ones that have authority in the synagogue to teach and interpret the Torah both written and oral.
And this present Judaism you have now is correctly called Rabbinical Judaism gotten from the Pharisees.

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