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Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 12:29pm On Nov 22, 2023
Exodus 21:32: If the ox gores a slave, male or female, the owner shall give to their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.

In the Book of Matthew, we learn of Judas delivering Jesus for thirty shekels of silver, But how much is this money worth, and did Judas betray Jesus solely due to the love of money, or were there other motives involved?

In Exodus 21:32, thirty shekels of silver represented the compensation paid to a slave's master in case the slave was gored by an ox—an amount not considered significantly valuable.

Matthew 26:15 notes the counting out of thirty pieces of silver for Judas. This amount is metaphorical, echoing themes from the Tanakh. The author of Matthew consistently mirrors various Old Testament instances and concepts in his writing, like the prophecy of Jesus' virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14), though he got it wrong, and locations associated with Jesus' birth and ministry (Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:1).

This similar theme was used for the Judas Allegory.

The Betrayal.
2 Sam. 16:23- Now in those days the advice Ahithophel gave was like that of one who inquires of God. That was how both David and Absalom regarded all of Ahithophel’s advice.

Here, Ahithophel is the betrayer. He was one of David's trusted advisers but later betrayed David by seeking to kill him and supporting Absalom's claim to the throne, as recounted in 2 Samuel 15:31 and 2 Samuel 17:1-3.


The Thirty Skekels Coin.
Zechariah 11:12- Then I said to them: “If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, withhold them.” And they paid my wages, 30 pieces of silver.

Similar to how the Pharisees paid Judas for his job, the Israelites paid Zechariah thirty pieces of silver, an amount they deemed equivalent to the value of a slave in the case of accidental death. This was a deliberate insult aimed at Zechariah. In response, he was instructed to 'throw it to the potter'.


Potter's Field.
Zachariah 11:13- And the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter"—the handsome price at which they valued me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them to the potter at the house of the Lord.

After Judas had thrown the money into the temple, the Pharisees took it and bought the 'potter's' field. This same concept aligns with the prophet Zechariah who tossed the money into the house of the Lord for 'the Potter.'


Death of Judas.
Matthew 27:5- Judas threw the silver coins into the Temple and left. Then he went out and hung himself.

Acts 1:18- Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out.


While there are no parallels to this in the Tanakh, his death is also a metaphor, Judas did not die.
As I have explained in my other articles, Judas is the disciple whom Jesus loved.
https://www.nairaland.com/7888378/other-disciple-whom-jesus-loved
Judas was the disciple who allowed Peter entry because he was known by the high priests. The Book of Matthew mentions how Judas died AFTER WITNESSING the Pharisees' judgment on Jesus in Matthew 27:3.

In Matthew 27:5, the explanation of Jesus' death by hanging uses a Greek metaphor, 'apanchomai' from 'apancho.' This term is a combination of 'apo,' meaning 'away from,' and 'ancho,' meaning 'to squeeze.'
Judas was "Choked Up" as in squeezing one's self as with great emotion or grief.

This was reiterated in Acts 1:18, where it says, 'falling headlong, he burst open in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out.'
In Greek, 'falling headlong' is 'presthes genomenos,' which symbolizes 'becoming swollen.'

He burst open in the middle, and all his bowels(splagchna) gushed out figuratively meant he poured his heart out among them, referring to the chief priests and elders.
https://www.adventisthealthcare.com/living-well/the-splagchnizomai-difference/#:~:text=The%20Greek%20word%20is%20splagchnizomai,story%20of%20the%20Prodigal%20Son.


Early Church Tradition.
The fourth book of Papias’s lost Exposition of the Sayings of the Lord contains a tradition about the death of Judas that is different from what we find in both Matt 27:3–10 and Acts 1:18–20.
"But Judas went about in this world as a great model of impiety. He became so bloated in the flesh that he could not pass through a place that was easily wide enough for a wagon—not even his swollen head could fit. They say that his eyelids swelled to such an extent that he could not see the light at all; and a doctor could not see his eyes even with an optical device, so deeply sunken they were in the surrounding flesh. And his genitals became more disgusting and larger than anyone's; simply by relieving himself, to his wanton shame, he emitted pus and worms that flowed through his entire body. And they say that after he suffered numerous torments and punishments, he died on his own land, and that land has been, until now, desolate and uninhabited because of the stench. Indeed, even to this day no one can pass by the place without holding his nose. This was how great an outpouring he made from his flesh on the ground."

Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by HeatSeeker(m): 12:50pm On Nov 22, 2023
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Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 12:54pm On Nov 22, 2023
HeatSeeker:
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Do you know why Apocalypse of peter was removed and replaced with book of revelation?

Jesus is dead and gone, his Death was the Resurrection.

Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by HeatSeeker(m): 12:56pm On Nov 22, 2023
Maynman:

Do you know why Apocalypse of peter was removed and replaced with book of revelation?

Jesus is dead and gone, his Death was the Resurrection.

Heresies
Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 12:57pm On Nov 22, 2023
HeatSeeker:


Heresies
Lol, go look up the history and how predominantly it was used, then you'll better know the view of early Christianity before Catholic hijacked it and termed it "heresy".
You should also look up the history of the word "heresy", who and what qualifies as "heretic".
Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Dustbinbint(m): 2:40pm On Nov 22, 2023
HeatSeeker:
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It's quite funny, during the little time I have been on Nairaland I have already come to see the childishness of this user and others like him. Even their posts are not something I would read unless I have free data.
It seems like this:

Title: Reasons why you should get married early


Content: I wonder where Albert Einstein got his intelligence from. If the brain is a muscle, using it all the time will ensure it is super strong. Hm. I have an idea.


The content is not only self-contradictory, but also makes no sense when compared with the Topic.
Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 3:05pm On Nov 22, 2023
Dustbinbint:


The content is not only self-contradictory, but also makes no sense when compared with the Topic.
I'll appreciate if you Could point out the contradictory part.

I'm just surprised how you now know what's contradictory or not yet you believe in a literal Adam and eve responsible for original sin?

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Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Dustbinbint(m): 5:47pm On Nov 22, 2023
Maynman:

I'll appreciate if you Could point out the contradictory part.

I'm just surprised how you now know what's contradictory or not yet you believe in a literal Adam and eve responsible for original sin?

(1) The bones are the only part of the human body that is made up wholly of living cells, and that contains the stem cells which gives rise to blood cells, skin cells, and all the other cells of the body.
(2) The ribs are the only bones that regrows after being removed.

In view of the above, it is in complete harmony with proved science that Jehovah made Eve from Adam's ribs—even surgeons use the ribs in reconstructive surgeries, for instance. Moreover, surgeons anesthesize their patients before operating on them just as God put Adam into a deep sleep before using his ribs in a “constructive surgery” of sorts. He didn't need to infuse the breath of life into Eve since she was made out of an already living tissue, one that had everything needed to produce all the cells in a living human.

It is not scientifically unsound at all. The effects of eating the fruit of that tree was very real. An immediate change was sensed by them, but was really an outward manifestation of a deeper change that had occurred in them both, just like a deep-seated illness has its symptoms.
Also, their sin became like a genetic defect passed down their generations, thus affecting all humans on a fundamental level.


I really do not know why I am replying to you at all. I reprove myself here because I have other more important things to do I believe.

Now, if Judas did not die, why did the Pharisees call the money he refunded them “the price of BLOOD” and why did they use it to buy a BURIAL PLACE for strangers and name it “Field of BLOOD?”—Matthew 27:6-8.

Now, if you want to perform some mental gymnastics with your so-called “greek word” or call those words an interpolation, you're free.
By the way, I won't be replying to you. Someone else will.

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Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 6:24pm On Nov 22, 2023
Dustbinbint:


(1) The bones are the only part of the human body that is made up wholly of living cells, and that contains the stem cells which gives rise to blood cells, skin cells, and all the other cells of the body.
(2) The ribs are the only bones that regrows after being removed.

In view of the above, it is in complete harmony with proved science that Jehovah made Eve from Adam's ribs—even surgeons use the ribs in reconstructive surgeries, for instance. Moreover, surgeons anesthesize their patients before operating on them just as God put Adam into a deep sleep before using his ribs in a “constructive surgery” of sorts. He didn't need to infuse the breath of life into Eve since she was made out of an already living tissue, one that had everything needed to produce all the cells in a living human.

It is not scientifically unsound at all. The effects of eating the fruit of that tree was very real. An immediate change was sensed by them, but was really an outward manifestation of a deeper change that had occurred in them both, just like a deep-seated illness has its symptoms.
Also, their sin became like a genetic defect passed down their generations, thus affecting all humans on a fundamental level.


I really do not know why I am replying to you at all. I reprove myself here because I have other more important things to do I believe.

jaephoenix
Budaatum
Lordreed
Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 6:31pm On Nov 22, 2023
Dustbinbint:

Now, if Judas did not die, why did the Pharisees call the money he refunded them “the price of BLOOD” and why did they use it to buy a BURIAL PLACE for strangers and name it “Field of BLOOD?”—Matthew 27:6-8.
Matthew 27:4-- Judas, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the "innocent BLOOD".

And the other one has already been explained, but I'm not sure you read anything. In Matthew 27:9, who was the author mimicking?
Field of blood is same thing with potter's field.

Matthew and Acts even contradicts themselves, was Judas buried or did he die in this potter's field?
In Matthew he went and hanged himself immediately before they bought the Land or was he still around?
In Acts he was the one that bought the field and killed himself there.

There's only a contradiction if you don't know what it really says, which I've explained in the article.

Start from here
https://www.nairaland.com/7888378/other-disciple-whom-jesus-loved

And was new testament not written in Greek?
Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by jaephoenix(m): 8:42pm On Nov 23, 2023
(1) The bones are the only part of the human body that is made up wholly of living cells, and that contains the stem cells which gives rise to blood cells, skin cells, and all the other cells of the body.
(2) The ribs are the only bones that regrows after being removed.

In view of the above, it is in complete harmony with proved science that Jehovah made Eve from Adam's ribs—even surgeons use the ribs in reconstructive surgeries, for instance. Moreover, surgeons anesthesize their patients before operating on them just as God put Adam into a deep sleep before using his ribs in a “constructive surgery” of sorts. He didn't need to infuse the breath of life into Eve since she was made out of an already living tissue, one that had everything needed to produce all the cells in a living human.

It is not scientifically unsound at all. The effects of eating the fruit of that tree was very real. An immediate change was sensed by them, but was really an outward manifestation of a deeper change that had occurred in them both, just like a deep-seated illness has its symptoms.
Also, their sin became like a genetic defect passed down their generations, thus affecting all humans on a fundamental level.


I really do not know why I am replying to you at all. I reprove myself here because I have other more important things to do I believe.


Maynman:

jaephoenix
Budaatum
Lordreed
I don't know your profession, but for you to take your bath, brush your teeth, buy data, log into Nairaland and spew such monumental trash smacks of serious self-confidence. I can only commend you, bro.
I had to copy your post and paste it on my own post, so I can remember all the bullshit.
1. You said
bones are the only part of the human body that is made up wholly of living cells, and that contains the stem cells which gives rise to blood cells, skin cells, and all the other cells of the body
..and its a big fat lie. Are you saying other organs contain dead cells? By the way, there are other tissues apart from bones that give rise to blood cells, skin cells etc. They exist in bone marrow, fat tissue, dental pulp, heart tissue, and many other places. They are known as pluripotent tissues.

2. You said
The ribs are the only bones that regrows after being removed
Bro, bones also have the power to regrow. When someone has a fracture, what do you think the bones do? Of course they regrow and one broken end joins the other.

3. You said
surgeons use the ribs in reconstructive surgeries
Surgeons can use other bones, though the rib is most desirable cos one can survive without a rib and it has good regenerative powers. There are other organs one can survive without apart from a rib

4. Please what sin did they commit?
Who gave Satan his omnipotent, omniscient etc powers? Yahweh!
Who created Eden and the tree of knowledge and planted it right in the middle of the garden(not even at the outskirts where it would be out of sight of Adam and Eve) and made it have luscious fruits? Yahweh!
Who is omniscient and knows Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit but still went ahead to plant the fruit right in the garden? Yahweh!
Do you now understand why this all loving god wanted Adam fvcked from the get-go? And Yahweh actually wanted Adam to eat the damned fruit

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Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by jaephoenix(m): 8:43pm On Nov 23, 2023
(1) The bones are the only part of the human body that is made up wholly of living cells, and that contains the stem cells which gives rise to blood cells, skin cells, and all the other cells of the body.
(2) The ribs are the only bones that regrows after being removed.

In view of the above, it is in complete harmony with proved science that Jehovah made Eve from Adam's ribs—even surgeons use the ribs in reconstructive surgeries, for instance. Moreover, surgeons anesthesize their patients before operating on them just as God put Adam into a deep sleep before using his ribs in a “constructive surgery” of sorts. He didn't need to infuse the breath of life into Eve since she was made out of an already living tissue, one that had everything needed to produce all the cells in a living human.

It is not scientifically unsound at all. The effects of eating the fruit of that tree was very real. An immediate change was sensed by them, but was really an outward manifestation of a deeper change that had occurred in them both, just like a deep-seated illness has its symptoms.
Also, their sin became like a genetic defect passed down their generations, thus affecting all humans on a fundamental level.


I really do not know why I am replying to you at all. I reprove myself here because I have other more important things to do I believe.


Maynman:

jaephoenix
Budaatum
Lordreed
I don't know your profession, but for you to take your bath, brush your teeth, buy data, log into Nairaland and spew such monumental trash smacks of serious self-confidence. I can only commend you, bro.
I had to copy your post and paste it on my own post, so I can remember all the bullshit.
1. You said
bones are the only part of the human body that is made up wholly of living cells, and that contains the stem cells which gives rise to blood cells, skin cells, and all the other cells of the body
..and its a big fat lie. Are you saying other organs contain dead cells? By the way, there are other tissues apart from bones that give rise to blood cells, skin cells etc. They exist in bone marrow, fat tissue, dental pulp, heart tissue, and many other places. They are known as pluripotent tissues.

2. You said
The ribs are the only bones that regrows after being removed
Bro, bones also have the power to regrow. When someone has a fracture, what do you think the bones do? Of course they regrow and one broken end joins the other.

3. You said
surgeons use the ribs in reconstructive surgeries
Surgeons can use other bones, though the rib is most desirable cos one can survive without a rib and it has good regenerative powers. There are other organs one can survive without apart from a rib

4. Please what sin did they commit?
Who gave Satan his omnipotent, omniscient etc powers? Yahweh!
Who created Eden and the tree of knowledge and planted it right in the middle of the garden(not even at the outskirts where it would be out of sight of Adam and Eve) and made it have luscious fruits? Yahweh!
Who is omniscient and knows Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit but still went ahead to plant the fruit right in the garden? Yahweh!
Do you now understand why this all loving god wanted Adam fvcked from the get-go? And Yahweh actually wanted Adam to eat the damned fruit.

These theist-fueled ignorant posts make me to say education and science is lost to theists
Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Dustbinbint(m): 9:07pm On Nov 23, 2023
jaephoenix:
(1) The bones are the only part of the human body that is made up wholly of living cells, and that contains the stem cells which gives rise to blood cells, skin cells, and all the other cells of the body.
(2) The ribs are the only bones that regrows after being removed.

In view of the above, it is in complete harmony with proved science that Jehovah made Eve from Adam's ribs—even surgeons use the ribs in reconstructive surgeries, for instance. Moreover, surgeons anesthesize their patients before operating on them just as God put Adam into a deep sleep before using his ribs in a “constructive surgery” of sorts. He didn't need to infuse the breath of life into Eve since she was made out of an already living tissue, one that had everything needed to produce all the cells in a living human.

It is not scientifically unsound at all. The effects of eating the fruit of that tree was very real. An immediate change was sensed by them, but was really an outward manifestation of a deeper change that had occurred in them both, just like a deep-seated illness has its symptoms.
Also, their sin became like a genetic defect passed down their generations, thus affecting all humans on a fundamental level.


I really do not know why I am replying to you at all. I reprove myself here because I have other more important things to do I believe.



I don't know your profession, but for you to take your bath, brush your teeth, buy data, log into Nairaland and spew such monumental trash smacks of serious self-confidence. I can only commend you, bro.
I had to copy your post and paste it on my own post, so I can remember all the bullshit.
1. You said
bones are the only part of the human body that is made up wholly of living cells, and that contains the stem cells which gives rise to blood cells, skin cells, and all the other cells of the body
..and its a big fat lie. Are you saying other organs contain dead cells? By the way, there are other tissues apart from bones that give rise to blood cells, skin cells etc. They exist in bone marrow, fat tissue, dental pulp, heart tissue, and many other places. They are known as pluripotent tissues.

2. You said
The ribs are the only bones that regrows after being removed
Bro, bones also have the power to regrow. When someone has a fracture, what do you think the bones do? Of course they regrow and one broken end joins the other.

3. You said
surgeons use the ribs in reconstructive surgeries
Surgeons can use other bones, though the rib is most desirable cos one can survive without a rib and it has good regenerative powers. There are other organs one can survive without apart from a rib

4. Please what sin did they commit?
Who gave Satan his omnipotent, omniscient etc powers? Yahweh!
Who created Eden and the tree of knowledge and planted it right in the middle of the garden(not even at the outskirts where it would be out of sight of Adam and Eve) and made it have luscious fruits? Yahweh!
Who is omniscient and knows Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit but still went ahead to plant the fruit right in the garden? Yahweh!
Do you now understand why this all loving god wanted Adam fvcked from the get-go? And Yahweh actually wanted Adam to eat the damned fruit

Replying to these things one after the other will take too much of my time.

Only the ribs regrows when “removed.” Did you see “fractured”? Did I mention the growth and healing of a fracture?
You conveniently mention only those things you can pick on, and that is why this is the only content I will reply to.


As to the fruit, every parent knows that freedom without limitations is bad for their children. They need to hear NO to realize that they are accountable to their parents. They need limitations to know their place.
Even inanimate objects and creatures without freewill have something that REGULATES their conduct.
If Adam and Eve had to cooperate with the order of things in the universe, it was necessary for them to recognize limitations. If they weren't free moral agents, they wouldn't need to be told NO because it would already be programmed into them to NOT do it. (thinking about it, all creatures sort of have no programmed into them) But as free moral agents, it became necessary for them to CHOOSE to observe the “NO.”
In reality, the fact that God only placed one limitation showed that he didn't want to unnecessarily restrict their freedom.
Also, he had to put the tree in the most conspicuous place because, as they say, put of sight is out of mind. If they were to never lose sight of their place in the universal order of things, the reminder was to be always before them.
In fact, keeping the commandment posed no problem to them. As you can see that they felt no desire to eat of it. In fact, they had to be “drawn out” to be enticed to desire the fruit, showing that it was no temptation for them at all, in the first instance.

This too is as much as I will say on this. Whatever your take is, thinking Christians will realize the complete soundness in what I wrote, the fact that you are DELIBERATELY overlooking.

Arguments only breed resentment. I've tried it, it doesn't work in the long run. What I do now is to speak and let whoever wants to take do so and let whoever wants to mock do so and let whoever wants to politely reject do so.

By the way, don't forget to have a look at your pals original post, how he claims to know better than the original translators of the texts, whether Judas died or was ‘choked up.’ It is a telling fact that not one reputable translation, or transliteration, interprets the verse about Judas' eventuality the way he does. Now what's the chance that he is right and just about every translator and scholar are wrong? Evidently he called upon you because you have a similar pattern of reasoning—you and all the others he called to support his post.

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Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 9:16pm On Nov 23, 2023
Dustbinbint:


Replying to these things one after the other will take too much of my time.

Only the ribs regrows when “removed.” Did you see “fractured”? Did I mention the growth and healing of a fracture?
You conveniently mention only those things you can pick on, and that is why this is the only content I will reply to.
Apologetics like you are very dangerous and brain dead, you'll argue whatever to defend your delusion.
Hope you know the verse about the rib in Hebrew is "Tsela" and it means the side of something, Adam was created male and female.
Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 9:18pm On Nov 23, 2023
Dustbinbint:

Now what's the chance that he is right and just about every translator and scholar are wrong? Evidently he called upon you because you have a similar pattern of reasoning—you and all the others he called to support his post.
Can you show me the scholars and translators that says otherwise?

I called upon them to tutor you on your pseudo science.
Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by Maynman: 6:12am On Dec 06, 2023
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Re: Thirty Shekels Of Silver. by kkins25(m): 6:16pm On Jun 02
Interesting. The writers crafted the story of Jesus to tally with the old testament. Even the statements made by Jesus regarding his death looked like taking actions, and hoping for a reaction.

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