Antichristus:
USELESS COUNTRY. ALL THE PRISONS IN EXISTENCE WERE, I THINK, CONSTRUCTED UNDER THE BRITISH COLONIAL RULE. I DOUBT IF ANY WAS BUILT IN THE POST COLONIAL ERA. THERE WAS A COUNTRY.

that’s a lie

I took part in the construction of one

Why not kill all the death row inmates to decongest the prison?

Blue3k:


Source: https://blueprint.ng/4-years-after-constitutional-amendment-states-reluctant-to-build-own-manage-correctional-facilities-investigation/

Front page: Mynd44 Lalasticlala

Govt filled with lies and propaganda. Always Hoping, always moving, always promising, always in shock. They gat nothing to offer. That was the reason they employed lieing machines as thier media aides to deceive gullibles. They like doing the talking instead of acting. Hope Agbadorians are buying has for 200 naira. Promax shegee go kill all of una esp Ekiti people, Osun and Lagos.

Most Governors are criminally irresponsible..

weedmanlive:
They can't manage correctional service that gave them autonomy yet they want state police they can underpay and use to rig election at will.
I wonder how crime rate would have grown in states like Edo where they don't pay workers any more.

Government workers or private companies don't receive salaries any more? If govt, is it the Edo state govt?

It occurs to me Nigeria may deliberately operate diabolical prisons to avoid some Nigerians committing crime specifically in order to exploit the 3 square meals, bed and washing facilities a good prison would provide.

Blue3k:
Lol if policing moves to the Concurrent list tomorrow state governments will drag their feet. Everyone loves rights but not the financial responsibilities. This is why asking where will states get the money is moot point against decentralized policing. If they don't have the funds they simply won't establish state police just like they didn't establish the state correctional facilities. The federal police and prisons won't disappear overnight.

I believe the FG can enforce it by building the prisons in the various states with federal resources and deduct the cost from the states allocation.

When states begin to manage their resources themselves then maybe they can start embarking on such projects.

Shattuck:
I believe the FG can enforce it by building the prisons in the various states with federal resources and deduct the cost from the states allocation.

I'm pretty sure that's illegal but it would be hilarious. The federal government could virtually hijack their budgets to do anything at that point. If they want to force the issue don't accept state law offenders. Lol when they have to hold them in the the governors house they'll figure something out.

Those in power are bigger thieves nah. Wouldn't it be ironic if a thief is building house for a fellow thief? That's why the whole thing is being swept under the rug

States can have correctional centres? Fine, but buildings alone don't make prison services. Since we have state laws, state judiciaries then state correctional services - not just state correctional centres or facilities - and state police services must follow.

You can't have state laws with federal police and federal correctional service officers to enforce them. Nay, that is not how it is done. State laws require state enforcement agencies.

The Nigeria Police are not answerable to any state government neither are the Nigeria Correctional Service to any governor. They obey the federal government and the president. You don't say have your own correctional centres without tbem being able to employ those who work there, who will be loyal to them. A state government without state security apparatus is yeyenatu.

If you are offering a ram to a masquerade, you must release its tether totally also to him. That Act has to be amended . States must have their own police and correctional services, not just correctional centres. This is PART of what will send everyone back to the state level for complete involvement in development rather than having every Tunde, Dike, and Haliru fighting for what is not in Abuja, eyeing federal this, federal that.

CoronaVirusPro:
Privatize the prison system and let investors troop in

^^^
Interesting proposition. As you are no doubt aware, the USA has tried this with mixed results.

What will the basic business model be? PPP?

Will prison workers be allowed to unionize?

How will they be regulated?

The basic summary is that private correctional services will be just like any other government contractors. I am genuinely interested in knowing how these private prison contractors will escape the problems that other government contractors face in Nigeria today. What will they do when government refuses to pay them on time?

Smartguyboy:
How about removing seaport from Exclusive list ?

Though I know even if they remove it useless South East governors will not try to build anyone busy building airports no one is using .

how about true federalism?

How about state controlling it's resources and paying to FG?

It is prison they want to give to states. Mtchww

seunayantokun:
States can have correctional centres? Fine, but buildings alone don't make prison services. Since we have state laws, state judiciaries then state correctional services - not just state correctional centres or facilities - and state police services must follow.

You can't have state laws with federal police and federal correctional service officers to enforce them. Nay, that is not how it is done. State laws require state enforcement agencies.

The Nigeria Police are not answerable to any state government neither are the Nigeria Correctional Service to any governor. They obey the federal government and the president. You don't say have your own correctional centres without tbem being able to employ those who work there, who will be loyal to them. A state government without state security apparatus is yeyenatu.

If you are offering a ram to a masquerade, you must release its tether totally also to him. That Act has to be amended . States must have their own police and correctional services, not just correctional centres. This is PART of what will send everyone back to the state level for complete involvement in development rather than having every Tunde, Dike, and Haliru fighting for what is not in Abuja, eyeing federal this, federal that.

^^^
Your comments about 'loyalty' in bold font are unsettling. You might want to explain further.

You have made some very strong points. Your last sentence in particular is really the ONLY way forward. The problem though, is that state governments have shown time and again that they have exactly the same powerlust the FG has.

We have an FG that despite its faults (and they are legion) managed to cobble together FOI legislation (as flawed as that legislation is) in 2011. Yet as at today more than half the states in Nigeria have not passed equivalent legislation at the state level.

Despite the unspeakable horrors (and they are many) of the Buhari administration, it was able to pass legislation in favour of financial autonomy for local governments. What did state governments then do?

There is no point trading the abuse of power, mismanagement and incompetence of the FG for a new regime of the same ills by state governors. We agree that we cannot continue with the current arrangement of federal overreach. The problem now is how to design and implement a new arrangement with increased power for state government (and local government!) - while limiting opportunity for abuse. This is where building strong institutions comes in.

As an extension of the state police argument - why is it that nobody mentions police at local government level? Isn't local government the closest to the people? The US system which we copied (for good and bad) in so many areas does have municipal and county police. Why not here?

Matinox:
OP, if you know the rottenness & corruption that's eating up the Nigerian Correctional Service, you will change the objective of your journalism towards her

Please enlighten us

Antichristus:
USELESS COUNTRY. ALL THE PRISONS IN EXISTENCE WERE, I THINK, CONSTRUCTED UNDER THE BRITISH COLONIAL RULE. I DOUBT IF ANY WAS BUILT IN THE POST COLONIAL ERA. THERE WAS A COUNTRY.

There are newly built ones, ekiti state have a new prison.... You can make some research

CoronaVirusPro:
Privatize the prison system and let investors troop in

We already have too much on the state and federal.

The FG needs to face the glaring reality confronting it. At some point, it will have to let go of tertiary education and healthcare.

PPP is the way forward 100% is too much burden, not having a say in these sectors will give room for exploitative tendency to capitalist. So a balanced relationship is required to move forward

Fujiyama:


^^^
Your comments about 'loyalty' in bold font are unsettling. You might want to explain further.

You have made some very strong points. Your last sentence in particular is really the ONLY way forward. The problem though, is that state governments have shown time and again that they have exactly the same powerlust the FG has.

We have an FG that despite its faults (and they are legion) managed to cobble together FOI legislation (as flawed as that legislation is) in 2011. Yet as at today more than half the states in Nigeria have not passed equivalent legislation at the state level.

Despite the unspeakable horrors (and they are many) of the Buhari administration, it was able to pass legislation in favour of financial autonomy for local governments. What did state governments then do?

There is no point trading the abuse of power, mismanagement and incompetence of the FG for a new regime of the same ills by state governors. We agree that we cannot continue with the current arrangement of federal overreach. The problem now is how to design and implement a new arrangement with increased power for state government (and local government!) - while limiting opportunity for abuse. This is where building strong institutions comes in.

As an extension of the state police argument - why is it that nobody mentions police at local government level? Isn't local government the closest to the people? The US system which we copied (for good and bad) in so many areas does have municipal and county police. Why not here?

Great observation from you there and I thank you for it.
You see, the current state governments in Nigeria do not belong to the people of the states but to wolves. It is a terrible thing. More terrible is the fact that Nigerians themselves have abandoned their state governments in the hand of the wolves. So, if you have state police and prison services which are loyal to state governments in the prrsent context, oh, no, God forbid. So, if you read my statement with 'loyal' in that kind of context, you would definitely question why I have said so.

However, if people of a state own their government and everyone is involved, and they have security agencies, and we talk of the agencies loyal to the government, it will be fine. Because they are loyal to the people who have employed them. Political office holders will also be servants of the people in the real sense of it. In fact, it will be easier to cut government and governance into a proper shape. The era of the powerful hyenas and jackals called governors and their cabinets will have gone.

If local council/ state police and state correctional services are made possible now, I will be happy but I would suggest measures should be put in place to make sure governors and council chairmen will not be able to exercise manipulative power over them or use them for selfish ends. I discovered last year that the police chief of a county in the UK is elected, not appointed. Candidates may have rich security backgrounds but not a police officer in service who is considered most senior as done here in Nigeria. You contest by advertising yourself and people look at your CV critically and decide to vote or not to vote for you. You occupy the office for a period until another election. If you misbehave, there are ways to take care of you. Such thing can be part of the way to go here in each state too.

What everyone in Nigeria needs to know is that if they abandon a madman with his mother's dead body, he will roast it for a dinner or lunch: he will never think of a befitting burial for it. So, people need to start now a process of participation at the community/local government level. If we begin to take over step by step from local council level, though it might take time, the expected change will definitely come. They need to know they don't
need APC, PDP or LP at local level but your own party. Everybody should wake up now and take their ward and council away from the hand of the powers that be at the state level; they will even discover, with time, that they can have their state government also if they go with political cooperation and collaboration among non-major political parties operating at that level.

It still pains me till date that Imo that should have been leading based on Okorocha's vision has been dragged back to Nigerian standard because of dirty politics. The completed Cargo Airport abandoned, the Ohaji/Egbema industrial park abandoned, the 27 General Hospitals abandoned, 27 ICT centers abandoned, New Police headquarters abandoned, New Prisons abandoned, Estate development reversed, Flyovers abandoned, Home for elderly abandoned , Free education abandoned, steady rehabilitation and building of new schools abandoned, Eastern Palm University closed, Mbaise campus closed, Mother and Child Hospital abandoned, Somto mega Hospital demolished, the many inland bridges linking old and new Owerri abandoned to erosion, hospitality lost,peace lost,security lost, new markets abandoned. If it was possible all the 8 lane highways in Owerri would have been reduced back to 4 because Okorocha built them.

It's a shame that no elder has been able to ask any question nor the youths allowed to air their view. The communities now comprise only the elderly and little children. I weep

Blue3k:


I'm pretty sure that's illegal but it would be hilarious. The federal government could virtually hijack their budgets to do anything at that point. If they want to force the issue don't accept state law offenders. Lol when they have to hold them in the the governors house they'll figure something out.

they are just gonna overcrowd them In state prisons.

Shattuck:
they are just gonna overcrowd them In state prisons.

At least the federal government can save money and time not dealing with these inmates. It's better these issues are localized to states instead of them being national issues. I don't promise utopia for a reason just a preferable alternative. Maybe this will convince people to pay attention to state level politics and hold state assembly and governors responsible.

Blue3k:



At least the federal government can save money and time not dealing with these inmates. It's better these issues are localized to states instead of them being national issues. I don't promise utopia for a reason just a preferable alternative. Maybe this will convince people to pay attention to state level politics and hold state assembly and governors responsible.

true

Grant awaiting trial bail with easy bail condition.Simple
Especially the sick ones

The state knew correctional services are liability to them they won't take action . When fire service was move to concurrent list even state with low resources jumpted at it even when they knew is capital intensive. Most of the state fire service today are less fund but you see many state using it as a revenue generating agency. I even know a state that give the state director target yearly. You see their personnel issuing safety certificate to every filling state and other business organisation just to meet their alloted target but the Governors rely on federal fire service to combart any inferno in their state because they won't fund their own

seunayantokun:
You see, the current state governments in Nigeria do not belong to the people of the states but to wolves. It is a terrible thing. More terrible is the fact that Nigerians themselves have abandoned their state governments in the hand of the wolves. So, if you have state police and prison services which are loyal to state governments in the prrsent context, oh, no, God forbid. So, if you read my statement with 'loyal' in that kind of context, you would definitely question why I have said so.

However, if people of a state own their government and everyone is involved, and they have security agencies, and we talk of the agencies loyal to the government, it will be fine. Because they are loyal to the people who have employed them. Political office holders will also be servants of the people in the real sense of it. In fact, it will be easier to cut government and governance into a proper shape.

^^^
OK.

I'm relieved to see this.

seunayantokun:
I discovered last year that the police chief of a county in the UK is elected, not appointed. Candidates may have rich security backgrounds but not a police officer in service who is considered most senior as done here in Nigeria. You contest by advertising yourself and people look at your CV critically and decide to vote or not to vote for you. You occupy the office for a period until another election. If you misbehave, there are ways to take care of you. Such thing can be part of the way to go here in each state too.

^^^
Food for thought...

seunayantokun:
What everyone in Nigeria needs to know is that if they abandon a madman with his mother's dead body, he will roast it for a dinner or lunch: he will never think of a befitting burial for it.

^^^


This is a new one. I haven't heard this one before.

shox:
that’s a lie

I took part in the construction of one

I stand to be corrected. Thanks.

Ola4lead:




There are newly built ones, ekiti state have a new prison.... You can make some research

I stand to be corrected. Thanks.