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Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by OgeneDom(m): 7:42am On Nov 01, 2011
Unfortunately, the poster for for "In conjunction with".
It simply means partnership, therefore the State government will sponsor the program the the foreign counterpart
Investing in education can never be a waste provided those involve are selected by merit and to serve the state when they come back.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by gaskydudu: 7:59am On Nov 01, 2011
i don't think it's a bad idea at all,
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by ektbear: 8:28am On Nov 01, 2011
chamber2:

Do you maths well.

60 * 10,000 USD = 600,000 USD

600,000 USD * N150 = N90, 000 000

What's the big deal spending 90m to give 60 imo citizens a new perspective to life?

Ohakim, the former gov, spent double of this amount to send his friends and relatives to world cup games in south Africa. He also sponsored another group to watch manchester UTD premiership game in UK.

Which of the two is better? Sending 60 students on exchange program in the US or sending his cronies to UK to watch premiership?

What of option #3?

$300 tuition scholarship for 2000 Imo State high school students?

Which do you think is better for the state?
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chamber2(m): 8:37am On Nov 01, 2011
ekt_bear:

What of option #3?

$300 tuition scholarship for 2000 Imo State high school students?

Which do you think is better for the state?

Maybe you are not following events in Imo state.

There is free and compulsory education in Imo state from primary- secondary with meal tickets.

Also, tuition fee for students of Imsu have been reduced by about  80% from 150,000 naira to about 30-50k

Every Imo student is entitled to a N100 meat ticket per day so long as he/she is not absent from school

What else can we ask of?

Imo state also has scholarship and bursary packages. There is also a proposed new university in Imo state and complete upgrading of the existing Imo state University.

Of course, there are so many ways to spend the money but i am sure the gov did his homework well b4 coming up with this program. What we should be talking about now is the sustainability.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by ektbear: 8:39am On Nov 01, 2011
I'm talking about tuition for university.

Unless you are saying that one cannot find 2000 Imo high schoolers who will benefit from having a $300 scholarship (again, towards university expenses) next year.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by londoner: 8:40am On Nov 01, 2011
I don't really get why some people here are criticising this. So, 60 students from Imo state are on scholarship to study abroad?

Why do you have such a problem with it? How is it different from what the gov of Rivers State is doing?

Did he say this program concludes all his plans for students in Imo state, or is that how people are reading this?

Many here have benefitted from study abroad, but maybe they come from the wealthy few, other (poorer) Nigerian talents deserve a chance to study in countries that have surpassed that of Nigeria. If they are too poor, the state has not committed any crime in providing an avenue with a view to investing in the young.


People here have just set themselves to criticise, regardless of the subject matter

It is never a waste to invest in education especially IF it is targetted in strategic areas of practice that are critical , maybe the next generation wont say "what has Nigeria ever done for me" like we hear all the time with people here.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by crackhouse(m): 8:46am On Nov 01, 2011
When ohakim was there, what did he do?. Now, the question for haters is, If okorocha decides to spend the money on having fun instead of sending the 60 students to overseas, will u talk abt this issue now letalone criticising him or if ur brother or sister is among the 60, will u criticise him?. Let's learn to support govts positive moves instead of always going against it. It weakens the mind when u see people not being supportive of ur efforts and that can make u to make a U-TURN.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by crackhouse(m): 8:46am On Nov 01, 2011
When ohakim was there, what did he do?. Now, the question for haters is, If okorocha decides to spend the money on having fun instead of sending the 60 students to overseas, will u talk abt this issue now letalone criticising him or if ur brother or sister is among the 60, will u criticise him?. Let's learn to support govts positive moves instead of always going against it. It weakens the mind when u see people not being supportive of ur efforts and that can make u to make a U-TURN.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by ektbear: 8:48am On Nov 01, 2011
Honestly, if you don't get the objections, then perhaps you need to reread and process what is being said.

Using the same investment analogy. . . is it better to leave your money idle in your savings account, or to invest it even just in bonds, yielding a higher return on investment?

In educating your population, you should chase the most b[i]a[/i]ng for your buck. Sending 2k students to university for a year versus sending 60 kids abroad for a term. Which is likely to make more impact?

Which would you do if it were up to you (and assuming you've thought about it carefully for a minute or so)?

Anyway, whatever. If Imo indigenes are happy with it, then that is fine. After all, that is the only constituency this guy is really obliged to please. But if it were me from this state, I'd be a bit annoyed.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chamber2(m): 8:49am On Nov 01, 2011
ekt_bear:

I'm talking about tuition for university.

Unless you are saying that one cannot find 2000 Imo high schoolers who will benefit from having a $300 scholarship (again, towards university expenses) next year.

Of course there are. As i said, there are many ways in which this money would have been spent. It all depends on the program outline of the govt. Who knows if the next item on the list is the scholarship program.

If only every Nigerian leader can at least invest very little in the development of our people then the journey to economic development will be a little faster.

Just imagine this 60 students stating in their CVs after graduation that they had 6 months internship/exchange program in the US? This will definitely give them a competitive edge among their mates during job hunt or even securing scholarships for further students in the future
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Okijajuju1(m): 8:56am On Nov 01, 2011
Okay!! Alusi is here!!  grin


I am a big proponent of Education. Every child deserves to be educated.

Now whats an exchange program and how does it work in developed countries?

A student exchange program generally could be defined as a program where students from secondary school or university choose to study abroad in partner institutions. The terms 'student exchange' and 'study abroad' are often used interchangeably however study abroad usually involves the student study full time and not in partnered institution like student going for exchange where they will be studying in the partner university of their home institution. But in some countries, an exchange student is also considered a study abroad student because they are studying in different country than their own. Student exchange program does not necessarily require the student going out of the country but it could also be an exchange program within the continent and its territory which is the National student exchange program (NSE).[1]

According to the U.S. government, foreign exchange programs exist to provide certain international cultural exchange programs designed to provide practical training and employment, and sharing of the history, culture, and traditions of participants home country citing the Q series international cultural exchange visa's specifications as provided by the U.S. department of state.[citation needed]

The term “exchanges” means that partnered institution exchange their student but not necessarily the students have to find a counterpart from the other institution to exchange with. No tradeoff is actually required. Two types of student exchange program are international and national student exchange program. A student exchange programs could be joined either by the secondary school or university student excluding National Student Exchange where it is design primarily for university student studying in American continent and its territory.[citation needed]

An exchange student could live with a host family or in a designated place including hostels, affordable apartment/house or student lodge. The cost for each program differs according to countries and institution. The participants could either apply/receive scholarship, self-funded or apply/receive loan.

Student exchanges became popular after World War II, and have the aim of helping to increase the participants' understanding and tolerance of other cultures, as well as improving their language skills and broadening their social horizons. An exchange student typically stays in the host country for a relatively short period of time, often 6 to 10 months, in contrast to international students or those on study abroad programs which can last for several years. Some students on exchange programs can receive academic credit from the country they study in

Question 2:: What are the benefits of an exchange program?

- To enhance the educational experience of student
- To strengthen the networking between students and Universities
- Broaden personal and educational perspectives
- Explore, appreciate and understand different cultures
- To enhance the ability of the student in second language learning
- To eliminate fear and prejudice among nations
- Enable student to experience international education

Question 3:: Is the Imo State exchange program a good Idea?!

Yes!! Indeed it is!! BUT!!!!! It is not what the Imo state educational system needs right now. It would have been better if Imo State had picked 60 Students and sent abroad to complete their higher education than to send them on a 6 months all expense paid vacation. It would have been more profitable for Okorocha to have partnered with a U.S based institution to come in and run the affairs of Imo State University, a partnership where Expart lecturers would be brought in to lecture and head departments, help with research programs and equip the school thereby enhancing the States University and providing good quality education for all rather than 60 people. As much as exchange programs are good, Imo States educational system has bigger problems than exchange programs. This is like a case of where you havent even dug the foundation for the house and you have already bought roofing sheets. Misplaced priorities!!

Question 4:: Whats my thought on Governor Rochas Okorocha's Administration thus far?

He is still living in lala land. It seems like he actually has no idea of how to run a State. His administration thus far has been nothing but one big campaign propaganda. First of all;

- Imo State was in short supply of Kerosene, what does the Governor do?! He brings in a few trucks of Kerosene, calls a few people into a staduim, calls in the media and starts giving out kerosene for free. Disregarding the HSE hazard such an act constitutes.

- He declares education free in Imo State and reverses the cost of Higher Institution fees to the old price:: Now what he failed to do was first of all find out why the States institution had increased the fees in the first place, check the standard of facilities in the University and put in place a system of checks and balances to make sure the University is self-sustaining. He just jumped at a chance to make the news by making a declaration just for the cameras. And ask for the Secondary and Primary sch fees, the Laws od the nation already stipulates that Basic education is free for all Nigerians. What he should have done was check the standard of this free education and set-up a comittee whose responsibility would be to ensure that fees are not charged and the standard of education remains high.

- 20,000 Naira minimum wage. Now this is a case of popular opinion versus logic. The 20'k minimum wage he declared for all State civil servants is a beautiful idea that cant be argued with. But last time we checked, his administration said the state was greatly in debt, he accused the previous administration of mismanaging state funds and embezzlement (which was why even before he was sworn in as governor, he ordered the banks in the state to freeze all state accounts. The IGR has definitely not improved cos the government has yet to put in place anything tangible to attract major investors, so looking at all these, where is the excess funds for this 20,000 Naira wage coming from? Is this increase healthy for Imo States finances?! Is this for show or what?! Did Okorocha lie just to spite Ohakim when he said Imo States tresury was empty?! This is food for thought.

- Since his inception, there is yet to be any real devel;opment in the state, it has all been one charade after another. From his cabinet selection to his actions and utterances. Barely 3 months in office and he organized a retreat for his entire cabinet to Nike Lake resort, ENUGU STATE!! Yes emphasis on "Less than 3 Months in office", and "ENUGU STATE". I wonder what happened to all the supposed tourist destinations in Imo State that they claim to have.


In my humble opinion, Rochas is a classic case of "An empty barrel that makes the loudest noise". Highly over-rated and may just be the greatest disappointment ever to hit Imo State.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by londoner: 9:02am On Nov 01, 2011
So, is this the only program the gov has in place or has planned for the people of Imo where education is concerned or is this just ONE program?


As far as I am aware, most exchange programs do not cater for the whole student population of the country in question?
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by PointB: 9:08am On Nov 01, 2011
^^^



MY MISSION IN IMO STATE
To rescue Imo people from irresponsive leadership and imminent collapse.
MY MANDATE
To save the lives of the numerous poor ndi Imo while protecting the interest of the few rich.
MAJOR AREAS OF FOCUS – Our Policy Thrust

    BASIC EDUCATION

“A mind is a great thing to waste”. Indeed, a child’s right to education cannot be denied irrespective of background. Education is the greatest gift any responsible government can give to the society. Looking at the streets of Imo State, many children who should be in school are unfortunately roaming the streets hopelessly. These Children, if given the right opportunity can become responsible leaders in different fields of human endeavor.
Dear Imolites, it is gratifying to note that our mission in education is well known to all. All children of Imo State must have free and compulsory basic/ secondary education. In our administration, Every Child Counts (ECC).
As at 2008, Imo State had about 1,296 Primary Schools. Because of proximity and age of pupils, the number will be maintained and our Government will spend between 8.5 and 9.2 Billion Naira over a period of four years; for the refurbishment of the said primary Schools to meet with today’s standard of learning environment.
In addition to this, we will as a priority spend 2.4 Billion Naira on re- training of teachers at this formative all important stage of learning. In our Teach-The-Teacher Program (TTP) we will lay emphasis on Science and Technology to meet the challenges of today.

    SECONDARY EDUCATION

In recent times, Our State has witnessed over 28% dropout rates for female and 34% for male. This worrisome development must be checked with Radical Education Re-engineering Program (RERP) which will in the first phase require government investment of 21.6 Billion Naira over a 4 year period to set up 120 world class Secondary Boarding Schools equipped with the most advanced facilities in the areas of science and technology.
Our Government will re-organize educational system to be in tune with modern trends and technology. We will rebuild our educational system to focus on the following areas:
1. Entrepreneurship and Wealth Creation (EWC)
2. Practical Education System (PES) which will address such strategic areas as creative writing, Film production and editing, Fashion designing, mechanic, carpentry / Joinery / Craft Making, neighborhood Security / Surveillance Inter- alia. All these and more will be established within the Imo Vocational Village (IVV) to be established in the three senatorial zones.
3. An innovation of Teach-The-Teacher Program (TTP) will be set up to reshape and upgrade our present falling standard of education.
4. Introduction of a Culture Based Education System (CBES) which will bring back our cultural values.
5. The re-introduction of craft and civic education in our primary schools.


    TERTIARY EDUCATION

Our tertiary institutions now moribund [b]will be upgraded and maintained to compete with others in line with learning and research, through collaboration and exchange programs with Tertiary institutions within and outside the Country. [/b]We will make our University Education entrepreneurial and result oriented.
Our graduates shall no more end up with theory only, but in addition acquire practical education to function in the global market. Our Government will review downward the present high cost of school fees paid in our State tertiary institutions.


-   Governor Rochas Okorocha


http://imostate.blog.com/2011/09/27/refresher-manifesto-of-his-excellency-governor-rochas-okorocha/
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chimaike: 9:09am On Nov 01, 2011
Okija_juju:

Okay!! Alusi is here!!  grin


I am a big proponent of Education. Every child deserves to be educated.

Now whats an exchange program and how does it work in developed countries?

Question 2:: What are the benefits of an exchange program?

- To enhance the educational experience of student
- To strengthen the networking between students and Universities
- Broaden personal and educational perspectives
- Explore, appreciate and understand different cultures
- To enhance the ability of the student in second language learning
- To eliminate fear and prejudice among nations
- Enable student to experience international education

Question 3:: Is the Imo State exchange program a good Idea?!

Yes!! Indeed it is!! BUT!!!!! It is not what the Imo state educational system needs right now. It would have been better if Imo State had picked 60 Students and sent abroad to complete their higher education than to send them on a 6 months all expense paid vacation. It would have been more profitable for Okorocha to have partnered with a U.S based institution to come in and run the affairs of Imo State University, a partnership where Expart lecturers would be brought in to lecture and head departments, help with research programs and equip the school thereby enhancing the States University and providing good quality education for all rather than 60 people. As much as exchange programs are good, Imo States educational system has bigger problems than exchange programs. This is like a case of where you havent even dug the foundation for the house and you have already bought roofing sheets. Misplaced priorities!!

Question 4:: Whats my thought on Governor Rochas Okorocha's Administration thus far?

He is still living in lala land. It seems like he actually has no idea of how to run a State. His administration thus far has been nothing but one big campaign propaganda. First of all;

- Imo State was in short supply of Kerosene, what does the Governor do?! He brings in a few trucks of Kerosene, calls a few people into a staduim, calls in the media and starts giving out kerosene for free. Disregarding the HSE hazard such an act constitutes.

- He declares education free in Imo State and reverses the cost of Higher Institution fees to the old price:: Now what he failed to do was first of all find out why the States institution had increased the fees in the first place, check the standard of facilities in the University and put in place a system of checks and balances to make sure the University is self-sustaining. He just jumped at a chance to make the news by making a declaration just for the cameras. And ask for the Secondary and Primary sch fees, the Laws od the nation already stipulates that Basic education is free for all Nigerians. What he should have done was check the standard of this free education and set-up a comittee whose responsibility would be to ensure that fees are not charged and the standard of education remains high.

- 20,000 Naira minimum wage. Now this is a case of popular opinion versus logic. The 20'k minimum wage he declared for all State civil servants is a beautiful idea that cant be argued with. But last time we checked, his administration said the state was greatly in debt, he accused the previous administration of mismanaging state funds and embezzlement (which was why even before he was sworn in as governor, he ordered the banks in the state to freeze all state accounts. The IGR has definitely not improved cos the government has yet to put in place anything tangible to attract major investors, so looking at all these, where is the excess funds for this 20,000 Naira wage coming from? Is this increase healthy for Imo States finances?! Is this for show or what?! Did Okorocha lie just to spite Ohakim when he said Imo States tresury was empty?! This is food for thought.

- Since his inception, there is yet to be any real devel;opment in the state, it has all been one charade after another. From his cabinet selection to his actions and utterances. Barely 3 months in office and he organized a retreat for his entire cabinet to Nike Lake resort, ENUGU STATE!! Yes emphasis on "Less than 3 Months in office", and "ENUGU STATE". I wonder what happened to all the supposed tourist destinations in Imo State that they claim to have.


In my humble opinion, Rochas is a classic case of "An empty barrel that makes the loudest noise". Highly over-rated and may just be the greatest disappointment ever to hit Imo State.
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keep your stinking advice to your self, to you he may be a disappointment, but to people like me he is a blessing to Imo state. Rochas you are good leader, haters go and hug transformer.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Okijajuju1(m): 9:47am On Nov 01, 2011
keep your stinking advice to your self, to you he may be a disappointment, but to people like me he is a blessing to Imo state. Rochas you are good leader, haters go and hug transformer

First of all, it wasnt an advice I gave it was my opinion on an issue that I simply aired.

Secondly, this is a forum and the whole idea of it is for people of diverse opinion to air their views, debate and disagree to agree.

Finally, for someone who just asked me to keep my opinion "advice" to myself to end up giving one himself reeks of double standards and/or hypocrisy.

Well!! I shouldnt be surprised, if you were any smarter, you would have been one of the 60 kids going to America. Typical product of Imo State upbringing.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chamber2(m): 9:57am On Nov 01, 2011
Okija_juju:

First of all, it wasnt an advice I gave it was my opinion on an issue that I simply aired.

Secondly, this is a forum and the whole idea of it is for people of diverse opinion to air their views, debate and disagree to agree.

Finally, for someone who just asked me to keep my opinion "advice" to myself to end up giving one himself reeks of double standards and/or hypocrisy.

Well!! I shouldnt be surprised, if you were any smarter, you would have been one of the 60 kids going to America. Typical product of Imo State upbringing.



I am sure you are not from Imo. If yes, then your ''opinion'' does not count in this regard

Thank you
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Okijajuju1(m): 10:23am On Nov 01, 2011
chamber2:

I am sure you are not from Imo. If yes, then your ''opinion'' does not count in this regard

Thank you

Erm!! Sir!

Point of correction, Grammatically, it should be "If not", and not "If yes". And secondly, how can you make a "definite" statement, and then in the following sentence question your statement?! (Just highlighting some problem areas that Okorocha may want to look into)


Now that said, Last time I checked, Nairaland was not an Imo State Forum, neither is the owner of the site (Seun) from Imo State, nor is their any rule anywhere that limits comments on topics/threads to be strictly by indigenes or persons directly affected by the posts.

This is a Public forum, if you Imo State folks dont want our input, then I suggest you dont put your shi't on a public forum. Emphasis on "YOUR SHI'T" and "PUBLIC FORUM".

Now sir, I hope you understand this fact.

You have a good day.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chimaike: 10:30am On Nov 01, 2011
Okija_juju:

First of all, it wasnt an advice I gave it was my opinion on an issue that I simply aired.

Secondly, this is a forum and the whole idea of it is for people of diverse opinion to air their views, debate and disagree to agree.

Finally, for someone who just asked me to keep my opinion "advice" to myself to end up giving one himself reeks of double standards and/or hypocrisy.

Well!! I shouldnt be surprised, if you were any smarter, you would have been one of the 60 kids going to America. Typical product of Imo State upbringing.



For your information am not an imolites, am from one of the eastern state, so there is no way i will be among the students going to America. Rochas is doing well, i can not say the same for my state governor. I am supporting Rochas because of his gestures to humanity and nothing else. Other state governors have been sponsoring their people to foreign lands for education and nobody critisizes them, but when Rochas do he gets criticism. You guys are just keen on rubbishing the man knowing fully well he is one of the illustrious son in Igbo land that will give your choice candidate(s) a good fight come 2015. Rochas ride on Ohaneze are behind you, haters jump into third main land bridge.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chamber2(m): 10:31am On Nov 01, 2011
Okija_juju:

Erm!! Sir!

Point of correction, Grammatically, it should be "If not", and not "If yes". And secondly, how can you make a "definite" statement, and then in the following sentence question your statement?! (Just highlighting some problem areas that Okorocha may want to look into)


Now that said, Last time I checked, Nairaland was not an Imo State Forum, neither is the owner of the site (Seun) from Imo State, nor is their any rule anywhere that limits comments on topics/threads to be strictly by indigenes or persons directly affected by the posts.

This is a Public forum, if you Imo State folks dont want our input, then I suggest you dont put your shi't on a public forum. Emphasis on "YOUR SHI'T" and "PUBLIC FORUM".

Now sir, I hope you understand this fact.

You have a good day.

Keep quiet. It is supposed to be[i] if not[/i] indeed! Did you consider the initial statement[i] I am sure you are not from Imo state[/i]? How then do you expect me to add NOT? The yes is just a confirmation of my initial statement.

Grammatically bullshit
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by PointB: 10:58am On Nov 01, 2011
chamber2:

I am sure you are not from Imo. If yes, then your ''opinion'' does not count in this regard

Thank you

It does not matter whether his is from Imo or not;there is no way you will know if his opinion counts or not, well except if you are the one doing the counting.
The  best you can do it to present a better, and much more logical 'opinion' than him, and let the reader be the judge.

Personally, I agree with what the governor has done and is doing educationally for the state. In my own judgement, I would say given his manifesto, which upon the Imo State electorate voted for him, and his activity, I would say so far he has not derailed.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chamber2(m): 11:01am On Nov 01, 2011
PointB:

It does not matter whether his is from Imo or not;there is no way you will know if his opinion counts or not, well except if you are the one doing the counting.
The  best you can do it to present a better, and much more logical 'opinion' than him, and let the reader be the judge.

Personally, I agree with what the governor has done and is doing educationally for the state. In my own judgement, I would say given his manifesto, which upon the Imo State electorate voted for him, and his activity, I would say so far he has not derailed.

we share the same opinion on this issue. Maybe you have not read my comments here.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Okijajuju1(m): 11:44am On Nov 01, 2011
chima ike:

For your information am not an imolites, am from one of the eastern state, so there is no way i will be among the students going to America. Rochas is doing well, i can not say the same for my state governor. I am supporting Rochas because of his gestures to humanity and nothing else. Other state governors have been sponsoring their people to foreign lands for education and nobody critisizes them, but when Rochas do he gets criticism. You guys are just keen on rubbishing the man knowing fully well he is one of the illustrious son in Igbo land that will give your choice candidate(s) a good fight come 2015. Rochas ride on Ohaneze are behind you, haters jump into third main land bridge.

Now Let me start with you because you come across as someone who can be reasonable in a debate;

1. Sir! If you go back to that long post which I made earlier, you would notice the portion where i stated "It would have been better if he had sent those 60 students abroad to complete/finish their education, rather than a 6month all expense paid vacation". It would be more profitable for a student to go abroad, learn the skills properly and then come back home and serve for 4 to 5 years mandatory in the Imo State civil service rather than this "exchange program" which has very minimal advantages to the state. I hope you understand.

If Imo State says every year, we would send 50 students, from all the local governments in the state abroad on merit to study abroad with a 6 year post-graduate pay-back scheme were they must work for the Imo State govt for a while then I can see some real developmental system in place, but an exchange program really is just a waste of state funds and does not improve Imo State University system in any way. Instead, a Lecturer exchange program would serve to benefit a wider student base than a student exchange program (I hope you understand!). Bring in Expart lecturers from the West to teach here for 1 year and send ours over there to learn more for 1 year, now thats a laudable scheme with long term bebefits that would cut across a wider audience.

chamber2:

Keep quiet. It is supposed to be[i] if not[/i] indeed! Did you consider the initial statement[i] I am sure you are not from Imo state[/i]? How then do you expect me to add NOT? The yes is just a confirmation of my initial statement.

Grammatically bullshit

Sir!! Open your ears and stop being pig-headed;

chamber2:

I am sure you are not from Imo. If yes, then your ''opinion'' does not count in this regard

The quote above is your initial statement, now let me re-construct your grammer;

"I'm sure you are not from Imo State, if so, your opinion does not count in this regard.

You cant make a definite statement (I'm sure you are NOT), and then negate it in the following sentence with a "YES". "If not" will be like saying "if indeed I am not from Imo State, then my opinion does not count" which would only be affirming your earlier statement  that you are indeed sure I am not from Imo. Hope you get it tis time.


E.g:: I'm sure you didnt finish primary school, did you?

Would you say, Yes, I did or would you say No! I did/Yes, I didnt or No I didnt.

This is what you should have been taught in Junior secondary school. Please dont let us turn this thread into a classroom. Take corrections and lets move to address the issue at hand.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by londoner: 12:08pm On Nov 01, 2011
I'm sure most of us here (if not all) are above the age of 18, must the majority of threads here descend so quickly into childish back and forths?

Lets all just behave like adults and even where we disagree on opinions or percieved facts.

@Okija_juju, I agree that investing in lecturers and therefore institutions may have a far wider effect on Imo state education in a sense. However, we cant presume to know where each of these 60 individuals will end up and how many people they may end up influencing positively.

I think this is a step in the right direction, towards using state funds in a way that is less selfish than we are used to and at least with an intention towards the citizens who actually elected the gov into power.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chamber2(m): 12:11pm On Nov 01, 2011
Okija_juju:

Now Let me start with you because you come across as someone who can be reasonable in a debate;

1. Sir! If you go back to that long post which I made earlier, you would notice the portion where i stated "It would have been better if he had sent those 60 students abroad to complete/finish their education, rather than a 6month all expense paid vacation". It would be more profitable for a student to go abroad, learn the skills properly and then come back home and serve for 4 to 5 years mandatory in the Imo State civil service rather than this "exchange program" which has very minimal advantages to the state. I hope you understand.

If Imo State says every year, we would send 50 students, from all the local governments in the state abroad on merit to study abroad with a 6 year post-graduate pay-back scheme were they must work for the Imo State govt for a while then I can see some real developmental system in place, but an exchange program really is just a waste of state funds and does not improve Imo State University system in any way. Instead, a Lecturer exchange program would serve to benefit a wider student base than a student exchange program (I hope you understand!). Bring in Expart lecturers from the West to teach here for 1 year and send ours over there to learn more for 1 year, now thats a laudable scheme with long term bebefits that would cut across a wider audience.

Sir!! Open your ears and stop being pig-headed;

The quote above is your initial statement, now let me re-construct your grammer;

"I'm sure you are not from Imo State, if so, your opinion does not count in this regard.

You cant make a definite statement, and then negate it in the following sentence. "If not" will be like saying "if indeed (you are wrong and) I am from Imo State, then my opinion does not count" This is what you should have been taught in Junior secondary school. Please dont let us turn this thread into a classroom. Take corrections and lets move to address the issue at hand.

Just as you said, lets concentrate on the issue at hand because taking this further will expose many grammatical/spelling errors in your comment above. I am also sure that spelling is something that should have been taught at the primary school level.For maturity sake i will leave that for the next day.

I have repeatedly pointed out that this money could have been spent on various programs which is capable of adding value to the lives of the people of the state. Your opinion above could have been one of such projects/programs. Hence the gov, in his wisdom, chose to do this first, and also taking into cognizance his various people oriented programs, i think the idea of sending 60 imo students abroad for internship/exchange program is not misplaced.

I have also stated that the exchange program, at the long run, will give the beneficiaries a sort of competitive edge in the already saturated labour market. Having a one year exchange program abroad is not all about having a vacation or looking at the bouts of oyinbos as you would want us believe. It involves cross-cultural interaction, exposure to modern way of doing things and intellectual awakening.This will remain an integral part of this student's quest for learning  and development.

Also, every government  has a range of programs and activities to be accomplished within a specified period of time. The sequence of the program implementation process may not necessarily be as you wish or want it to be. This is the first phase i think. If you read the governor's manifesto you will notice that the idea of exchange program/internship is one of the items on the list.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by PointB: 12:16pm On Nov 01, 2011
Okija_juju:

Now Let me start with you because you come across as someone who can be reasonable in a debate;

1. Sir! If you go back to that long post which I made earlier, you would notice the portion where i stated "It would have been better if he had sent those 60 students abroad to complete/finish their education, rather than a 6month all expense paid vacation". It would be more profitable for a student to go abroad, learn the skills properly and then come back home and serve for 4 to 5 years mandatory in the Imo State civil service rather than this "exchange program" which has very minimal advantages to the state. I hope you understand.

If Imo State says every year, we would send 50 students, from all the local governments in the state abroad on merit to study abroad with a 6 year post-graduate pay-back scheme were they must work for the Imo State govt for a while then I can see some real developmental system in place, but an exchange program really is just a waste of state funds and does not improve Imo State University system in any way. Instead, a Lecturer exchange program would serve to benefit a wider student base than a student exchange program (I hope you understand!). Bring in Expart lecturers from the West to teach here for 1 year and send ours over there to learn more for 1 year, now thats a laudable scheme with long term bebefits that would cut across a wider audience.

This will still attract the same criticism and negative backlash. Besides how would it have sounded if the governor had promised to send 50 people abroad for education in his manifesto and campaign? It definitely would sound ridiculous and like and empty promise. Besides, you cannot argue that the governor is not currently doing similar stuff with his foundation. Promising scholarship of that nature might bring a direct conflict of interest between the state and his Foundation. The smarter way round it is exactly what he has done.

An exchange program is exactly what it is - an exchange program. Sponsoring 50 students annually abroad for full education, while it might have it merits is not without it drawbacks. What is the guarantee such will not be abused by both the students, and the operators? Have you taken time to estimate the cost of such on the state coffers? Then again, you seems to underestimate the impact a exchange program might have on the psyche, mentality, and imagination of the beneficiary? Many who might not have step out of the shores of the land.

I think the Rochas deserves commendation for his efforts; and for fulfilling one of his manifestos. Beyond that, and if and when he decides perhaps send students on a full-time education abroad, the will be enough data for analysis from the exchange program. The benefit of crawling (exchange) before running (full time) will definitely be obvious.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Kobojunkie: 1:18pm On Nov 01, 2011
londoner:

I don't really get why some people here are criticising this. So, 60 students from Imo state are on scholarship to study abroad?
Why do you have such a problem with it? How is it different from what the gov of Rivers State is doing?
Did he say this program concludes all his plans for students in Imo state, or is that how people are reading this?
Many here have benefitted from study abroad, but maybe they come from the wealthy few, other (poorer) Nigerian talents deserve a chance to study in countries that have surpassed that of Nigeria. If they are too poor, the state has not committed any crime in providing an avenue with a view to investing in the young.
People here have just set themselves to criticise, regardless of the subject matter
It is never a waste to invest in education especially IF it is targetted in strategic areas of practice that are critical , maybe the next generation wont say "what has Nigeria ever done for me" like we hear all the time with people here.

Quick Questions for you .

a) WHO HERE has said it is any different from What the governor of Rivers State did back in 2010? And why should the actions of the River's State Governor be yardstick for governor in Imo State can or cannot do?

b) WHO HERE has said anything of this being DIFFERENT from what Zamfara Governor, or any other has done before now?And why should the actions of the Zamfara State Governor be yardstick for governor in Imo State can or cannot do?

c) Do we simply JUSTIFY this act on the basis that other governor's have done it too? Is that how government runs?  Rivers state is in debt, should we also justify the debt of other governors as a result?

d) I have personally benefited from study abroad, should that then make me a proponent of all programs that see our government dipping into PUBLIC COFFERS to send the few on this here pilgrimage?  grin
Again, I am inquisitive here . . . trying to understand how your minds work in this.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Kobojunkie: 1:21pm On Nov 01, 2011
londoner:

So, is this the only program the gov has in place or has planned for the people of Imo where education is concerned or is this just ONE program?
As far as I am aware, most exchange programs do not cater for the whole student population of the country in question?

Most exchange programs are not funded from the pockets of the PUBLIC. . . . . There are usually agencies set up to raise money and fund such programs. You don't dip into the PUBLIC pockets to run your PERSONAL CHARITY PROGRAM[b]. Rochas* should know that since he has experience doing that.[/b] And so every citizen ought to be outraged if it turns out, at the end of the day, that this scheme saw the diversion of public funds.  grin


* He did run a similar 'agency', as a private citizen, once.  cool
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Kobojunkie: 1:28pm On Nov 01, 2011
Okija_juju:

Now Let me start with you because you come across as someone who can be reasonable in a debate;

1. Sir! If you go back to that long post which I made earlier, you would notice the portion where i stated "It would have been better if he had sent those 60 students abroad to complete/finish their education, rather than a 6month all expense paid vacation". It would be more profitable for a student to go abroad, learn the skills properly and then come back home and serve for 4 to 5 years mandatory in the Imo State civil service rather than this "exchange program" which has very minimal advantages to the state. I hope you understand.


I agree with the above highlighted. I am not certain what paying $600,000 into a foreign market by the way, to have students sit for, 6 months will do to REVOLUTIONIZE Education in Imo State as some are all too willing to pretend will be the case. grin grin
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chamber2(m): 1:38pm On Nov 01, 2011
Kobojunkie:

Most exchange programs are not funded from the pockets of the PUBLIC. . . . . There are usually agencies set up to raise money and fund such programs. You don't dip into the PUBLIC pockets to run your PERSONAL CHARITY PROGRAM. Rochas should know that since he has experience doing that. And so every citizen ought to be outraged if it turns out, at the end of the day, that this scheme saw the diversion of public funds.  grin

Maybe you forgot we live in a part of the world where access to such private sector funds is limited or nonexistent. In such situation what do you suggest the govt does, fold arms and watch? I don't think so either.

Unfortunately, most people opposing this laudable idea are those who may have studied abroad where private sector led initiatives in the education sector is prevalent. Most Nigerian universities don't even have endowments and only depend on the govt for their operations. This is, however, not the case abroad where a bank can fund/sponsor research, teaching and learning initiatives in schools.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by chamber2(m): 1:56pm On Nov 01, 2011
Imo State Governor, Owelle Rochas Anayo Okorocha, has commenced the payment of monthly stipend to primary and secondary schools students.
The payment takes off simultaneously in each of the 27 local government areas today November 1, 2011).

While primary school pupils receive N100, their secondary school counterparts will get N120. Also, primary school monitors will get N120, while prefects in the secondary schools will receive N150.

Addressing Journalists shortly after a meeting with Governor Okorocha, top government officials and stakeholders in the education sector in the state, the Special Adviser to the Governor on Education, Prof. Fabian Osuji disclosed that committees had been set up in the 27 LGAs to visit all the schools for the purpose of making the payment.
Prof. Osuji added that the fund had been released for the October stipend, adding that the governor, his Deputy, Jude Agbaso and other top government officials would equally participate in the exercise to give pupils/students the sense of belonging they deserved from the government.

The special adviser stated that government would also kick start the policy implementation on education with the construction of 305 European standard schools in each electoral wards in the 27 local government areas of the state, adding that each of the schools would be centrally sited.
He also disclosed that a committee had been set up by government to ascertain the actual data of students enrolled in the already existing schools in the state, as well as infrastructural facilities.
The governor’s aides further stated that a joint committee of SEMB, SUBEB and NUT would be chaired by a top government official appointed by the governor.
including the transition committee chairmen and Directors of Administration and General Services will be saddled with the responsibility of implementing the free education policy in the LGAs.
Prof. Osuji also disclosed that the committee is further charged with responsibilities of awarding construction contracts, payment of stipends and supervision of the school fencing project.
He however stated that teachers in the state would be promptly paid to cope with the challenges of implementing the new state policy on Education.

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/nov/01/national-01-11-2011-0012.html
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Okijajuju1(m): 4:56pm On Nov 01, 2011
@ Point B and Chambers::

We are simply going back and forth over the same issue. Lets just say we disagree to agree and call a truce.

In as much as I hate Rochas Okorocha and think his policies suck monkey balls so far, I'll objectively analyse this particular subject matter;

60 Students were selected and sent abroad for an exchange program. The benefits of this program are limited to the beneficiaries alone. The long term effects are still limited to the beneficiaries and the overall impact on Imo states educational system/growth is so small its almost negligible.

It’s one thing to be a fan of a person/government/political party, it is another thing to logically evaluate his/her policies and weigh the long term effect on Imo State.

Questions we should ask ourselves;

- Now, are we saying that only 60 Students from the whole of Imo State University and Imo State Polytechnic deserve to go abroad for an exchange program basaed on merit?!
- Is there a chance that knowing how corrupt our system is in general that some form of favoritsm may have been used in the selection of these candidates?!
- How does Imo State University become a better institution from this exchange program?!
- A Student exchange program and a Lecturer exchange program, which has more benefits?
- How does sending 60 students abroad affect the lives of over 4000 Students in IMSU and Imo State Poly?!

I have said it that this is a case of misplaced priorities.

If Okorocha had signed an agreement with a U.S based school, whereby their lecturers come down to Imo state and head some departments with the aim of overhauling and serving as consultants to the governor on how to improve the University standard, that would be an agenda that would touch more than 60 lives and have a long term permanent effect.

The problem with the Nigerian Educational system isn’t one of exchange students/programs but rather one of rot in the entire system. I said it before and I'll say it again, Send 50 students to the United States on full time scholarships(sign an agreement with the United States Embassy and the Schools that only temporary work and study Visas be issued to the students such that after their studies, they must return home) . After they finish, guarantee them Jobs in the states University and Polytechnics as teaching assistants and junior Lecturers with the chance of building a career and put in place a system that would guarantee them that they can further their education to masters degree level and even as far as Professors also on the states scholarship. Now the effect of this would be long term and far reaching. What you would get is a new breed of properly trained lecturers and university administrators. Standard of Education would improve as they would want to implement most of the things they have learnt abroad. Over the span of ten years, the Imo state educational sector and public service would boast of young foreign trained and skilled workers who would inject a new fresh blood into the state and slowly get rid of the rot that is presently in the system. This method is still being applied in Ghana even today.

My problem with Rochas is that all his policies so far do not have sustainability and have to long term positive impact. It is like where Imo state has water separating two locations, while other governors would invest in a bridge, Rochas would invest in a boat.

I know that the rot in the system is really bad so now we see every tarred road as development. What Imo State should be focused on is how to turn the State into a major player in Nigeria. If Imo State University can boast of say 5 departments (e.g Mechanical Engr., Pharmacy, Agriculture, Petroleum Engr and maybe Architecture) that meet International standards, whose fees are quite on the high side for non-scholarship foreign students, moderate for non-scholarship indegenes, free for indegenes on a state and private scholarships and even higher for non-indegenes, boasts of world-class laboratories and facilities and lecture rooms, and even has foreign lecturers and professors running these departments, what you would see is an influx of students from within and without Nigeria whose parents want their kids to gain admission into these programs, this in turn would help the economy of Imo state and thus the image of the state and also serve a long term purpose.

Do you know how much money Nigerian Student contribute to the Ghanaian economy thorugh education every year?! I paid 7000 Thousand US Dollars every year for just tuition in Ghana for my 4 year program. All IMSU has to do is upgrade their equipments/labs/hostels and lecture rooms, bring in properly trained lecturers (with integrity) {expartraites if necessary}, make admission competitive, take care to make sure lecturers dont strike as much as others in other government Universities, and put in place a good learning environment and the state automatically becomes a front runner in education. Foreign exchange just like that, IGR goes up, etc.

This his present policy is a waste of fund especially cos the beneficiaries are limited and it has no long term benefit to the state in general.
Re: Gov Okorocha Sponsors 60 Imo Students To The US by Konnektions146(m): 5:25pm On Nov 01, 2011
a typical nigerian complains about almost everythin even ourselves, so i am not suprised at all these posts

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