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Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Stonecoldstare1: 10:27pm On Dec 25, 2023
Originalsly:
He was not informed. He should now know he is not part of the inner circle and should be following on their website or wherever instead of wai5ing for the Pope to tell him personally.
He's in Africa, he's not important enough to be given the memo.....lol

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Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Coolgent(m): 10:33pm On Dec 25, 2023
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Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by bigcasava1(m): 10:35pm On Dec 25, 2023
If pope did not approve it what did pope said? bcoz pope we all knew that Pope recently gave a verdict on that matter. Bishop we know you love catholic church that's why you are defending it but when the church is deviating from it core mandate it is expected leaders like you should criticize it. Anyway we heard what pope said you can't change it
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Coronavirus1: 10:53pm On Dec 25, 2023
In 2021, the Vatican decreed that the Catholic Church would not bless gay marriages because God “cannot bless sin.” The Vatican holds that gay people must be treated with dignity and respect but that sexual relations between people of the same sex is “intrinsically disordered.”
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Iamzik: 11:00pm On Dec 25, 2023
Sprints3:
What the pope said is not bad, even God will not be angry at his deposition. He said no one is devoid of blessing, and stated he is not approving same sex marriages but sinners also deserves blessing from God. But the so called media outlets will rebrand the headings and make it easier. God created humans as beings with free will be wateva u want even the greatest sin is not sodomy but pride and too much knowledge. That was why he banished Adam and eve from garden of eden now Persia/iraq. They ate tree of life exposing God' powers and abilities...

No matter how much you window dress gay and lesbianism the Bible is clearly against it.

Pope is not infallible and this is an error that the entire Catholic church will regret later. The church should not be bullied by the LGTV mob into adopting worldly lifestyle
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Originalsly: 11:22pm On Dec 25, 2023
Stonecoldstare1:


He's in Africa, he's not important enough to be given the memo.....lol


grin guy..... stop it!
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by PoliteActivist: 11:26pm On Dec 25, 2023
taiwotimitt:
I knew it from the beginning that it would not be true. Thank God for clarity.
hardware + software make sense..................which one is
hardware + hardware..............it does not make any sense
*Politeness*
Ermm, don't you find it a bit suspicious that only an archbishop from the most anti-gay continent in the world is saying the pope was misquoted?
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Sammy5413(m): 11:40pm On Dec 25, 2023
Hail Mary, full of grace
The pope is Gay
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by seunayantokun(m): 1:28am On Dec 26, 2023
But some of us got it from foreign ewa media. So, you've got to get your correction across the globe. BBC, Reuters, CNN, etc. need to hear it again.
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:03am On Dec 26, 2023
buygala:
Archbishop should rest grin.....


We heard the Pope and the Vatican loud and clear

African Catholics go explain taya grin

did you bother to read the document that it was said in or did you just read a news article?

Because a Cardinal is telling you that the news is twisting the pope's words and instead of going to checkk what the pope said you are busy bring the same news articles that the cardinal just condemned
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:06am On Dec 26, 2023
letristian:
So what kind of blessings did he actually intend for them
Who do you want to impress?

Let's watch how it will unfold in few months coming, if the Pope maintains his ground, then there may be an unavoidable division in the Roman Catholic Church world wide as a greater population of the Church won't accept this.
The cardinal who wrote the controversial document clarified exactly what blessings should be offered them

"Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for.

At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help.

But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan.


https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing


Is there any part you don't understand?
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:10am On Dec 26, 2023
BlueStripper:
The Catholic Church in Africa is doing everything possible to remedy the situation.


We all read the communique from the papacy.

If the Pope comments were misconstrued, then what exactly did the Pope say to you?

Are you sure you read the communique?
because of you did you won't be saying this. And it is not the African church doing damage control, the cardinal who wrote the communique came out to clarify what he meant by a blessing and that it has nothing to do with a union or same sex marriage, something the communique clearly forbids.


Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for.

At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help.

But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan.


https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:21am On Dec 26, 2023
frog12:
so if GAY couples want their marriage blessing, no be the same? grin grin grin


If you read the document by the vatican instead of the sensational news headline, you would have known that the catholic church and the new document prohibits that.

39. In any case, precisely to avoid any form of confusion or scandal, when the prayer of blessing is requested by a couple in an irregular situation, even though it is expressed outside the rites prescribed by the liturgical books, this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding.The same applies when the blessing is requested by a same-sex couple.

11. Basing itself on these considerations, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Explanatory Note to its 2021 Responsum recalls that when a blessing is invoked on certain human relationships by a special liturgical rite, it is necessary that what is blessed corresponds with God’s designs written in creation and fully revealed by Christ the Lord. For this reason, since the Church has always considered only those sexual relations that are lived out within marriage to be morally licit, the Church does not have the power to confer its liturgical blessing when that would somehow offer a form of moral legitimacy to a union that presumes to be a marriage or to an extra-marital sexual practice. The Holy Father reiterated the substance of this Declaration in his Respuestas to the Dubia of two Cardinals.

4. Pope Francis’ recent response to the second of the five questions posed by two Cardinals[4] offers an opportunity to explore this issue further, especially in its pastoral implications. It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm.

5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html


It is there written clearly in black and white that the Catholic church DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO IMPART BLESSINGS ON UNIONS OF PERSON OF SAME SEX.
that is what the vatican said
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:23am On Dec 26, 2023
abhosts:
Them go explain taya. The African Catholics are doing damage control because they know Africans are not receptive to homosexuality.

Its not only African catholics, even the cardinal who signed the document came out to explain it, he said it doesn't support blessing same sex union
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:24am On Dec 26, 2023
Nahunger:
Black man coming to the rescue!!
Did he deny his statement?
Are you his spokesperson?
What do you aim to achieve defending your imperialist POPE?
Actually even the pope's official spokesperson, the one who signed the document, has come out to clarify it
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:31am On Dec 26, 2023
GYBABA:
You say it's not what people think then why didn't you give the clear interpretation then we'll compare it with that of the Pope himself to know who's confused among you two. I was expecting him to give something very concise & direct but nah, he jumped to insecurity after all his bulabaloo

well the person who wrote the document came to give its clear interpretation.

Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for.

At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help.

But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan.


https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:33am On Dec 26, 2023
johnson4nosa:
U now tell us wetin the Pope talk
see weytin the pope talk

[b]4. Pope Francis’ recent response to the second of the five questions posed by two Cardinals[4] offers an opportunity to explore this issue further, especially in its pastoral implications. It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm.

5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.[/b]

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html

Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for.

At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help.

But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan.

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:38am On Dec 26, 2023
Djele:
U don't bless them but u deliver they from homosexuality
Or as the Pope's document says, Pray that God will heal them.
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:39am On Dec 26, 2023
ariesbull:
Shameless clowns in cassock ....Pope said that the gays can be blessed these clowns that call themselves bishops are defending this madness


Shame on them.... And those that defend this madness

So in your church only those who are righteous and without sin who can receive a blessing?
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:40am On Dec 26, 2023
Stevosty:
The pope himself should debunk such narrative if it is false, you can't be clever than the pope, this archbishop must be an APC disciple.
The cardinal who wrote the document already debunked it.
Feel free to read
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:49am On Dec 26, 2023
vickthourh:
What did the pope say...?

This is the full document
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing

these are the important points.

4. Pope Francis’ recent response to the second of the five questions posed by two Cardinals[4] offers an opportunity to explore this issue further, especially in its pastoral implications. It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage—which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]—and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm.

5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.

“It is God who blesses. In the first pages of the Bible, there is a continual repetition of blessings. God blesses, but humans also give blessings, and soon it turns out that the blessing possesses a special power, which accompanies those who receive it throughout their lives, and disposes man’s heart to be changed by God. [...] So we are more important to God than all the sins we can commit because he is father, he is mother, he is pure love, he has blessed us forever. And he will never stop blessing us. It is a powerful experience to read these biblical texts of blessing in a prison or in a rehabilitation group. To make those people feel that they are still blessed, notwithstanding their serious mistakes, that their heavenly Father continues to will their good and to hope that they will ultimately open themselves to the good. Even if their closest relatives have abandoned them, because they now judge them to be irredeemable, God always sees them as his children.”
Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage. In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit. These forms of blessing express a supplication that God may grant those aids that come from the impulses of his Spirit—what classical theology calls “actual grace”—so that human relationships may mature and grow in fidelity to the Gospel, that they may be freed from their imperfections and frailties, and that they may express themselves in the ever-increasing dimension of the divine love.

32. Indeed, the grace of God works in the lives of those who do not claim to be righteous but who acknowledge themselves humbly as sinners, like everyone else. This grace can orient everything according to the mysterious and unpredictable designs of God. Therefore, with its untiring wisdom and motherly care, the Church welcomes all who approach God with humble hearts, accompanying them with those spiritual aids that enable everyone to understand and realize God’s will fully in their existence.[22]

33. This is a blessing that, although not included in any liturgical rite,[23] unites intercessory prayer with the invocation of God’s help by those who humbly turn to him. God never turns away anyone who approaches him! Ultimately, a blessing offers people a means to increase their trust in God. The request for a blessing, thus, expresses and nurtures openness to the transcendence, mercy, and closeness to God in a thousand concrete circumstances of life, which is no small thing in the world in which we live. It is a seed of the Holy Spirit that must be nurtured, not hindered.
39. In any case, precisely to avoid any form of confusion or scandal, when the prayer of blessing is requested by a couple in an irregular situation, even though it is expressed outside the rites prescribed by the liturgical books, [b]this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding.[/b]The same applies when the blessing is requested by a same-sex couple.
44. Any blessing will be an opportunity for a renewed proclamation of the kerygma, an invitation to draw ever closer to the love of Christ.


If you dont understand that here is a simple one
Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for.

At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help.

But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan.


https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:50am On Dec 26, 2023
grandstar:
The catholic church is speaking from both sides of tge mouth. Dem no serious
the church is actually very clear
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:53am On Dec 26, 2023
blowjohn:




So ur saying couples don't receive blessings?

What is ur definition of couple?
No be two people?
Gay blessings cannot be on gay couples?
Why are they asking for blessings in the first place? No be so that God can bless their relationship/ union?


Call a spade a spade

the document actually answers this questions. It say couples who recognise that they are sinners and come to God humbly to give them the grace to live more according to his will are those who are blessed. and the priest should ask God to grant them healing among other things
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:53am On Dec 26, 2023
NewDea4:


So what exactly did the Pope say?

You people claim to be Christlians but nothing of Christ exists in your character whether inward or outward

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:53am On Dec 26, 2023
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:55am On Dec 26, 2023
Gboom:
What is the church marriage, is it not pastoral blessing?
Why is this bishop twisting what pope said outrightly?

The real marriage is traditional marriage which involve parental consent and blessing and payment of dowry.
for catholics marriage is not a pastoral blessing, its a liturgical blessing and more importantly a sacrament.
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 2:55am On Dec 26, 2023
Mosba:
Was also misvideo too right?

Oga there is no video anywhere of the pope saying to bless same sex marriage
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:03am On Dec 26, 2023
BondRiv:
Confusing and misleading yourself. All these masquerading to permit what is forbidden.

I feel sorry for people who need the Pope for directions about their life.

The Bible is clear that homosexuality is a sin.

even the pope and the catholic church is clear, homosexuality is a sin
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:04am On Dec 26, 2023
Annahh:
Blessing people you should be preaching to.

If you read the document, it says to do both, give them a blessing that asks God to heal them and also preach to them
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:06am On Dec 26, 2023
blowjohn:



The phrase' informally blessed'...... What's the meaning?

Let me tell u something. Being gay is devlish. It's a product of many factors.

It's different from people who were born with congenital birth defects that results in ambiguous Instruments.

Nobody is born gay. Science has not been able to show this, and will never be able to.
Environment, friends, media, family etc causes it.


It shudndt be welcomed even informally. It's a satanic agenda.




informally blessed is simple.
It is when you see your priest walking on the road and say Fr. bless me.
Usually he will give you a general blessing and end with "may the almighty God bless you, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" that is an informal blessing
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:09am On Dec 26, 2023
drnoel:


Now this is surprising.
The question here would be does the church house not fall into any catholic approved grounds or did the Pope mean that such blessings should only happen outside the church itself?
That would need to be clarified, if that pix is authentic
The pic is authentic.
Yes the pope said the blessing of people who are irregular couple should not be liturgical, it should not be done in a place, with gestures, or vestments or signs or anything that will make people confuse it for a marriage or scandalise people.
It should be a spontanous blessing
Re: Same-sex Couples: Pope Was Misquoted By Enemies Of D Church - Archbishop Kaigama by Ubenedictus(m): 3:09am On Dec 26, 2023

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