Westerhoffe:
Good morning Seun.



I believe that JESUS CHRIST is the Son of GOD.
I believe that JESUS CHRIST is the Way, the Truth and Life.
I believe and I accept JESUS CHRIST as my LORD and Saviour.

Looking forward to seeing this implemented.

Thank you.

Westerhoffe.

Alphamentips:


Okay, that is to match the declaration you see when you check the Islamic section, abi?

In the same light, Seun should also consider adding a declaration also for those of us who don't believe in a Sky Daddy in the science section.

It could say:

I believe in science. I believe in cause and effect. I believe there are known unknowns & events yet to be explained by science. I know with time science could explain things better and if it doesn't i choose not to contribute it to a Sky Daddy. I believe in humanity and using my brain for critical and analytical thinking.

I believe the universe is a living being and interconnected. I believe the universe creates and destroys.


That makes sense.

Westerhoffe:



If you want that, you can always tender your request.

Alphamentips:

Westerhoffe:
Good morning Seun.

As there are ongoing changes on Nairaland being proposed and implemented for the growth and betterment of this platform, I hereby request on behalf of all Christians on Nairaland that there be a specified Christianity for Christians on this platform to avoid any display of religious bias and favoritism but a true religious diversity.

Anyone who would comment on that specified would need to confess to:

I believe that JESUS CHRIST is the Son of GOD.
I believe that JESUS CHRIST is the Way, the Truth and Life.
I believe and I accept JESUS CHRIST as my LORD and Saviour.

Looking forward to seeing this implemented.

Thank you.

Westerhoffe.

MaxInDHouse:


The underlined is wrong!

Jesus is not LORD but Lord according to God's word.

To confirm this read Psalm 110:1

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.Psalms 110:1

This is King David inspired to write about Jesus being in the presence of the Almighty God and to clarify matters apostle Peter expressly said that David was talking about Jesus as the lesser Lord in the Psalms:

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.Acts 2:34-36

So Jesus is our Lord not our LORD the upper case is reserved for the Almighty God who is the father and God of both Jesus and all true worshipers:

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20:17

Good morning!

Westerhoffe:

[b]John 1 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
Revelation 19 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹¹ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
¹² His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
¹³ And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Did the Bible say there that, …and the Word was lesser GOD? Or and the Word was a Demi-God? Or and the Word was an angel or an Archangel?

Westerhoffe:

Why are you people like this even?
Who do you even think JESUS CHRIST is in the first place?[/b]

MaxInDHouse:

The Bible never said the word was the Almighty God rather it said "and the word was God" which means there are two persons and one is greater than the other.
So Jesus was the mighty God foretold in the Bible book of Isaiah 9:6 who is lesser and not the Almighty God!

Jesus is God's Son {Matthew 16:13-18} and God has a lot of angelic sons in heaven {Job 38:7} so Jesus is one of them!

Westerhoffe:

You just added 'lesser' to the word now yourself, which the Bible never included.
In the same Isaiah 9:6, remember it called JESUS CHRIST there the everlasting Father.
Then, coming to Revelation 1:8, JESUS CHRIST said there to be the Almighty. So these ruled out your argument.
And also, never forget this passage:
“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
— Hebrews 1:8 (KJV)
So, if GOD the FATHER addresses the Son as GOD, where did He call Son a lesser GOD?

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus himself declared that he is LESSER than the Almighty God:

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. John 14:28

So Gods like Moses {Exodus 7:1} the rulers of Israel {Psalms 82:6} and Jesus himself {John 1:1} are all LESSER than the Almighty God!

Westerhoffe:

You say the Almighty GOD is the greater, and JESUS CHRIST said He is that same Almighty in Revelation 1:8.
How about that?
Or, were you expecting JESUS CHRIST to exalt Himself above the FATHER?
Did you not notice in all ramifications, JESUS CHRIST taught men to recognize HIM and the FATHER even after making them know the FATHER sent Him?

MaxInDHouse:


Revelations 1:8
“I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says JEHOVAH God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

That's not Jesus but JEHOVAH the father of Jesus whom Jesus called his father and our father his God and our God! John 20:17

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
— Revelation 1:8 (KJV)

Didn't you say earlier that the Lord is for JESUS CHRIST while LORD is for the FATHER?
How then did the Lord become JEHOVAH GOD now?

Why are you guys always being hypocritical all the time when it comes to the Scriptures and JESUS CHRIST?

If according to you then and now, it means you're saying JESUS CHRIST is JEHOVAH GOD.

You guys are just so unbelievable.

Cease twisting the Bible to suit yourself… you ain't interacting with a child.

Westerhoffe:

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
— Revelation 1:8 (KJV)
Didn't you say earlier that the Lord is for JESUS CHRIST while LORD is for the FATHER?
Why are you guys always being hypocritical all the time when it comes to the Scriptures and JESUS CHRIST?
If according to you then and now, it means you're saying JESUS CHRIST is JEHOVAH GOD.
You guys are just so unbelievable.

MaxInDHouse:


Most translators of your copies are trinitarians so when translating the Christian Greek scriptures they got confused.

Please check the OT and try to correlate with NT to know who is talking @ Revelations 1:8

Westerhoffe:

MaxInDHouse, you know what, just stop already because you just keep complicating things for yourself with your explanations which are just contradicting one another.
Just ignore this thread now.

MaxInDHouse:

That's why Seun can't grant your request as it's not all those claiming Christians agreed on your terms!

Well, don't try to change the narrative. It's too late for that now.

On Seun granting the request or not, you should have known there might be some reasons why Seun won't, or might not want to grant it.

1. Seun is an Atheist who does not believe in the Christian GOD, beliefs or views.
2. I am not the only one or the first to make that request but which he has refused to grant.
3. Seun 'might be trying to avoid it based on requests from others who do not want Christians having such'.
4. Seun 'might be avoiding giving that privilege as other religions too might clamour for theirs.
5. I might be right with the above speculations.
6. I might be wrong with the above speculations.
7. That's why I included the clause Looking forward to seeing this implemented, because I know it can be granted or rejected.

Hope you grab?

Westerhoffe:



Well, don't try to change the narrative. It's too late for that now.

On Seun granting the request or not, you should have known there might be some reasons why Seun won't, or might not want to grant it.

1. Seun is an Atheist who does not believe in the Christian GOD, beliefs or views.
2. I am not the only one or the first to make that request but which he has refused to grant.
3. Seun 'might be trying to avoid it based on requests from others who do not want Christians having such'.
4. Seun 'might be avoiding giving that privilege as other religions too might clamour for theirs.
5. I might be right with the above speculations.
6. I might be wrong with the above speculations.
7. That's why I included the clause Looking forward to seeing this implemented, because I know it can be granted or rejected.

Hope you grab?

MaxInDHouse:


So why make the request in the first instance?

Westerhoffe:

Ask a Senator why he/she proposes a bill.

MaxInDHouse:

OK Seun is your national assembly!

Westerhoffe:

You sha want to derail the thread…

MaxInDHouse:

I only came to help you gain wisdom because if you want to speak on behalf of all believers in Christ you have to be on a totally neutral ground where all those claiming believers agree then Seun will have no option than to comply.
Imagine if all those claiming Christians should shun Nairaland today because the forum is against for the goodwill of believers in Christ do you think this forum will continue to generate the same type of traffic we have now?
That's what i'm saying!

Westerhoffe:

But unfortunately, there is no iota of wisdom in your comments here. Right from your misinterpretations of the Bible to the attempt to save face with damage control.
I didn't want to say this earlier because I wanted to see your reaction to the 'derail' comment and you didn't disappoint.
Several people had made similar requests for Christian equal rights to religious belief protection but it's been declined; and I recall Seun making a post/comment about it.
So, don't try to make any damage control by shying off your erroneous misinterpretations of the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:


Perhaps you need to go back to your senator passing a bill illustration because anyone can wake up and come to the house with any bill but the first thing the house will put into consideration is the population of those that may raise objection against such a move.
So you should have considered all other groups claiming Christians. Are they all of the same opinion that Jesus is God Almighty?

If not then you're not representing all those claiming Christians!

Westerhoffe:

This comment makes no sense.

MaxInDHouse:


Well you and all your cohorts making demands forgot one vital point:

All Muslims globally agreed on the terms given on this forum so Seun can't go against it but as for your own terms it's not generally accepted among those claiming Christians.
Farewell!

And you should concur that people like you and your false doctrines are why there has been a division among those who read and teach from the Bible.

Farewell.

MaxInDHouse:


Most translators of your copies are trinitarians so when translating the Christian Greek scriptures they got confused.

Please check the OT and try to correlate with NT to know who is talking @ Revelations 1:8

MaxInDHouse:

That's why Seun can't grant your request as it's not all those claiming Christians agreed on your terms!

Seun:
I've promised to create a Christianity section this year.

MaxInDHouse:


Most translators of your copies are trinitarians so when translating the Christian Greek scriptures they got confused.

Please check the OT and try to correlate with NT to know who is talking @ Revelations 1:8