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Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 8:09pm On Jan 23
The Bible acknowledges human inability to live above sin, suggesting that the sole pathway to heaven is through grace—a concept interpreted as favoritism.

An analogy is drawn where a criminal was discharged and acquitted because he danced naked before the judge, akin to David's actions.

There's skepticism about believers receiving a fair trial before the judgment throne, given perceived shortcomings in God's basic concept of justice. Instances like God cursing the seduced and tricked Adam, Eve, and the snake, while sparing the devil, raise questions about consistency.

The narrative includes God cursing Cain and his potential killer, along with a drunken curse on a son's generation, sanctioned by God. Numerous examples within "the holy texts" lead to the conclusion that a reevaluation of how divine judgment is dispensed may be warranted.

Despite claims that God reevaluates through grace, the interpretation remains contentious.

The concern is that grace could save the wrongdoer, like the serial killer, while condemning the victims to eternal punishment. Examples such as David and Bathsheba or Jacob and Esau illustrate a paradox in which grace seems to favor the offender and neglect the harmed.

In this perspective, no matter the colorful interpretations of "grace," it ultimately implies that God overlooks one's faults but condemns another.

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Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:51pm On Jan 23
Roycemadeit:

In this perspective, no matter the colorful interpretations of "grace," it ultimately implies that God overlooks one's faults but condemns another.
GRACE means UNDESERVED KINDNESS!

All descendants of Adam don't deserve what God is giving us so the grace is for all most people misinterpreted GRACE to means salvation without any effort but it's a big lie no one can gain everlasting life without working for God in supporting God's will.
There is no one from Genesis to Revelations whose name is mentioned in line with God's approval without WORKING to earn it the only issue with most readers of the Bible is that they often fail to see matters from God's viewpoint.

Take for instance the thief Jesus gave a Visa to Paradise. Most readers will assume the thief did nothing to earn such favour but think about it:
This man is a Jew who has been into criminal acts due to the injustices among their rulers.
He doesn't know what to do so he joined the gang of robbers to get rich quickly or die trying.
He heard about Jesus just like most Jews in the first century but was skeptical about what he heard.
Then he was caught, charged , arraigned, tried, convicted, judged and sentenced to death.
But then he came across Jesus of Nazareth for the first time that same day he was to die now he doesn't know how to approach Jesus to be sure that it's this same man he has been hearing about all these while.
Them he noticed their religious leaders coming to mock Jesus telling him to come down from the torture stake and prove that he is truly the Christ so that they can believe in him.
All of these the thief kept wondering what he could do then his cohort spoke up asking Jesus to do what their religious leaders are saying at least to save himself and them too.
With all these that thief concluded that surely Jesus is the Christ!
How?
The scriptures foretold that the Christ will be killed at his youthful age {Daniel 9:26} and be sentenced to death with criminals ! Isaiah 53:12
Haaaaaaaaaaa! This must be the Christ!
But how does he approach him now as one who as been condemned as a criminal?
The scriptures already said cursed is anyone who is hanged up for criminal acts! Deuteronomy 21:23

So when his cohort challenged Jesus he spoke up in Jesus' defense proving that if Jesus did nothing wrong to be executed alongside them then Jesus must be the promised Messiah Christ so immediately he proved his faith in Jesus by begging the suffering Jesus to remember him when he is installed as King.

With that he has PROVED his faith in Jesus so what else does he need other than to be given the opportunity to right his wrong when all evildoers are gone forever in Paradise? Luke 23:43 smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 8:08am On Jan 24
MaxInDHouse:

GRACE means UNDESERVED KINDNESS!



If a wrongdoer escapes punishment due to grace or undeserved kindness, it implies a potentially biased God. Those expressing love for God might face disappointment on the final day, considering God's past actions, like favoring Jacob over Esau despite the latter's deceit and lack of brotherly love.

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Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:01am On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

If a wrongdoer escapes punishment due to grace or undeserved kindness, it implies a potentially biased God. Those expressing love for God might face disappointment on the final day, considering God's past actions, like favoring Jacob over Esau despite the latter's deceit and lack of brotherly love.

You need to understand God's viewpoint when talking about "PUNISHMENT" from God's own point of view DEATH is the worst punishment so whoever dies has paid for whatever wrong they had done in the past {Romans 6:7} what matters to God is whether such a person will be remembered during resurrection of the dead or not. Psalms 9:17

Now talking about Jacob and Esau both of them are SINNERS deserving death {Romans 3:23} but Jacob valued the means of salvation while Esau despised it that's why God chose Jacob over Esau. If we're to go by birthright the first son (Esau) supposed to be the great grandfather of Christ that's why Isaac insisted that Esau who was his first son should be blessed to inherit that promise but Esau does not cherish it so God allowed Jacob who valued it to have his way.
To illustrate think of criminals who has all been sentenced to death then while awaiting execution you discovered that one is struggling to support your purpose is such one not more important than the rest?
That's what happened to Jacob and Esau.

From the very day God pronounced judgment on the three rebels in Eden He has continued to monitor the lineage through which Christ will be born all those patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, Jacob had God's purpose in mind that's what made them more important than any other human in their time!
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:18am On Jan 24
The cherished sibling reveals deceit, envy, and covetousness, even demanding the birthright in exchange for a meal. Esau, realizing the consequences, opts for survival, yet faces blame for losing both birthright and blessings.

It becomes evident that blaming Esau stems from bias, as approaching it impartially would lead to judging God.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:24am On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:
The cherished sibling reveals deceit, envy, and covetousness, even demanding the birthright in exchange for a meal. Esau, realizing the consequences, opts for survival, yet faces blame for losing both birthright and blessings.
It becomes evident that blaming Esau stems from bias, as approaching it impartially would lead to judging God.

So it's the few minutes he will spend to get himself something to eat is too much shey?

Well the truth remains that Esau despised his birthright while Jacob was prepared to fast for the next minutes and cook another meal for himself! smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:30am On Jan 24
That Jacob was a thief and covetous and loved by God, tells the truth that God is human.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:38am On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:
That Jacob was a thief and covetous and loved by God, tells the truth that God is human.
THIEF and COVETOUS shey?
Please on what basis are you making such judgement?
Is it on laws made before or after Jacob?
Guy laws written after Jacob can't be used to judge Jacob because he is not aware of such law!
Take for instance God later condemned incest in the laws given to Israelites while Abraham married his own sister.
So we're talking about what you're aware of not what you don't know! smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:43am On Jan 24
MaxInDHouse:

THIEF and COVETOUS shey?
Please on what basis are you making such judgement?
Is it on laws made before or after Jacob?
Guy laws written after Jacob can't be used to judge Jacob because he is not aware of such law!
Take for instance God later condemned incest in the laws given to Israelites while Abraham married his own sister.
So we're talking about what you're aware of not what you don't know! smiley


What was the law written against murder that Cain was judged for?

What was the law written against homosexuality that Sodom and Gomorrah was judged for?

What was the law given that made Esau resent Jacob for what he did?


How do you want to imply that Jacob is free of accusations when God was bias and already judged them BEFORE BIRTH?

cool

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Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:51am On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

What was the law written against murder that Cain was judged for?
Hitting someone with the intent of injury needs no law because even a toddler won't do it knowing fully well that he or she will be punished for it.
Roycemadeit:

What was the law written against homosexuality that Sodom and Gomorrah was judged for?
Sodom and Gomorrah had Lot living with them with two daughters who are virgins and moreover the inhabitants decided to hurt the two strangers who never wronged them.
Roycemadeit:

What was the law given that made Esau resent Jacob for what he did?
Esau realized his stupidity but was concerned about him own existence that's why he thought it's all over when he later became rich in his lifetime but Jacob had in mind the blessing of becoming the great grandfather of Christ!
Roycemadeit:

How do you want to imply that Jacob is free of accusations when God even let them to be born before he judged them?
cool
God studied children while they're still in the womb so He didn't judge without knowledge rather He has known what will be of utmost importance to both of them right before their birth!
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:59am On Jan 24
MaxInDHouse:

Hitting someone with the intent of injury needs no law because even a toddler won't do it knowing fully well that he or she will be punished for it.

Sodom and Gomorrah had Lot living with them with two daughters who are virgins and moreover the inhabitants decided to hurt the two strangers who never wronged them.

Esau realized his stupidity but was concerned about him own existence that's why he thought it's all over when he later became rich in his lifetime but Jacob had in mind the blessing of becoming the great grandfather of Christ!

God studied children while they're still in the womb so He didn't judge without knowledge rather He has known what will be of utmost importance to both of them right before their birth!

Yet, you are still saying Jacob is not liable to been judged? Even when had to disguise to be his brother?


You forget you are talking about the deity who repented and changed his perspective over and over again! Weldone Sir

Corruption Everywhere

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Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:24pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

Yet, you are still saying Jacob is not liable to been judged? Even when had to disguise to be his brother?
You forget you are talking about the deity who repented and changed his perspective over and over again! Weldone Sir
Corruption Everywhere

I have told you the purpose for which Abraham was called {Genesis 12:1-3} any of his descendants who doesn't cherish that is on his own as all humans have sinned and fallen short of God's glory so we are seizing the opportunity to become God's friend by adjusting ourselves to fit in to His purpose.

As for your second paragraph i don't understand what you mean!
Re: Trust Not God by vdestro: 5:50pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:
[b]The Bible acknowledges human inability to live above sin, suggesting that the sole pathway to heaven is through grace—a concept interpreted as favoritism.

Another reasonably sounding madness.

As those who have been scammed have proven that it was their desire to defraud.another which made them fall for the.deceivier, so also did Eve open herself up to be deceived.

David, if not that he was indeed the wisest man almost paid almost died for his sins.

Cain was even warned before he murdered which God deferred his case sine die.

Every reasonable person knows that grace is discretional dispensed on grounds of Law and Just is, to those who have earned it.

But surely, blasphemers like you can never get it, which is why you are crying about on coming Gods Just is!
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:59pm On Jan 24
MaxInDHouse:


All humans have sinned and fallen short of God's glory!


No one has sinned; this is the constraint imposed on people's mind to make them slaves. There's no evidence for alleged sins. Every mammal experiences pain during childbirth, and none consumes without effort. Snakes, as God supposedly cursed, don't eat sand. Even God, considered sinless, consults with lying spirits, expresses anger and jealousy, and acknowledges doing evil in the book of Isaiah. None has sinned.
Re: Trust Not God by vdestro: 6:06pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

If a wrongdoer escapes punishment due to grace or undeserved kindness, it implies a potentially biased God. Those expressing love for God might face disappointment on the final day, considering God's past actions, like favoring Jacob over Esau despite the latter's deceit and lack of brotherly love.

There is no bias when A Judge exercises His Rights! And of course no judge will dispense grace on the evil conduct of the accused like you.

And right now because you are going to hellfire, you want to take people with you, yet you are crying that grace can not be given to you. No judge anywhere can ever give you grace.
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:06pm On Jan 24
vdestro:


Another reasonably sounding madness.

As those who have been scammed have proven that it was their desire to defraud.another which made them fall for the.deceivier, so also did Eve open herself up to be deceived.

David, if not that he was indeed the wisest man almost paid almost died for his sins.

Cain was even warned before he murdered which God deferred his case sine die.

Every reasonable person knows that grace is discretional dispensed on grounds of Law and Just is, to those who have earned it.

But surely, blasphemers like you can never get it, which is why you are crying about on coming Gods Just is!






this is an unreasonably sounding madness.
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:11pm On Jan 24
vdestro:


There is no bias when A Judge exercises His Rights!


A judge ought to be upright and just, when he becomes nepotic and bias, he is no longer a judge but a criminal.
Re: Trust Not God by vdestro: 6:11pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

this is an unreasonably sounding madness.

Clearly your post sounds reasonable in first look but under pure examination, crazed madness and the just is that grace cannot be given to a criminal is discovered.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:14pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

No one has sinned; this is the constraint imposed on people's mind to make them slaves. There's no evidence for alleged sins. Every mammal experiences pain during childbirth, and none consumes without effort. Snakes, as God supposedly cursed, don't eat sand. Even God, considered sinless, consults with lying spirits, expresses anger and jealousy, and acknowledges doing evil in the book of Isaiah. None has sinned.

Then we need to figure out what sin means first! smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:15pm On Jan 24
vdestro:



And right now because you are going to hellfire, you want to take people with you, yet you are crying that grace can not be given to you. No judge anywhere can ever give you grace.

Shey me that know that God is man made, that will now believe Hellfire is real? You can beg God for all the grace he has and I hope you get it, because he might have disliked you from your conception like he did Esau or loved you like Jacob, either one. You are the one choosing your belief!
Re: Trust Not God by vdestro: 6:18pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

A judge ought to be upright and just, when he becomes nepotic and bias, he is no longer a judge but a criminal.

And God is The Most High Right whose judgments are super sound and super law full beyond all reasonable doubt.

Which is why you could not address my rebuttal.
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:20pm On Jan 24
MaxInDHouse:


Then we need to figure out what sin means first! smiley

Indeed. Let's have you name sins or define it.
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:21pm On Jan 24
vdestro:


And God is The Most High Right whose judgments are super sound and super law full beyond all reasonable doubt.

Which is why you could not address my rebuttal.


The biblical God isn't as powerful as that, he is nothing more than a tool in hands of men.
Re: Trust Not God by vdestro: 6:23pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:


Shey me that know that God is man made, that will now believe Hellfire is real? You can beg God for all the grace he has and I hope you get it, because he might have disliked you from your conception like he did Esau or loved you like Jacob, either one. You are the one choosing your belief!

See, now you are changing post. He was man made yet you feared the fact you won't get grace? and now you are bothered that i may get His grace.

Face your case. Evil people like you.can never get grace. That is The Law.
Re: Trust Not God by vdestro: 6:27pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

The biblical God isn't as powerful as that, he is nothing more than a tool in hands of men.

Change of Post! (in your fear filled evil mind as criminals will always wish that a Judge won't sentence them to prison after all their evil.crimes. What a mad delusion!)
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:30pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

Indeed. Let's have you name sins or define it.

When God say SIN it means ERROR so when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit they passed on to all their descendants the trait to always do what is wrong instead of the right thing. Only few ones among mankind are trying really hard to fight the urge to do what is right! Romans 7:21-23
That's why God has mercy on us because He knows our making that we can't fight the urge on our own and win! Psalms 103:12-14

So don't think SIN means something that any human can do without until after 1,000 years of intense training to initiate Jesus that is when we can be able to stand on our own and say we have become sinless or conquered sin completely! smiley
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:32pm On Jan 24
vdestro:


See, now you are changing post. He was man made yet you feared the fact you won't get grace? and now you are bothered that i may get His grace.

Face your case. Evil people like you.can never get grace. That is The Law.


You obviously didn't understand my post. You may go through it again. I specifically talked about the meaning of GRACE and it's ridiculousness in the palace of justice...

I make peace, and I CREATE EVIL: I the Lord do all these things... cheesy



Isaiah 45:7
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:43pm On Jan 24
MaxInDHouse:


When God say SIN it means ERROR so when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit they passed on to all their descendants the trait to always do what is wrong instead of the right thing. smiley

The absence of wrong makes it challenging to discern what is right, just as the lack of bad prevents the understanding of good. In navigating between these extremes, choices emerge.

Yet, I perceive life not as dictated by a binary of wrong and good, but rather as a series of opportunities to learn and make better choices. What one deems bad may hold merit for another; the key lies in evaluating the benefits and consequences based on individual perspectives.

However, for someone unbiased and still holding onto a sense of humanism, reading about the suffering imposed on families, children, individuals, and nations—whose possessions were seized at God's command—raises questions about the assertion that God is Good.
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:48pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

The absence of wrong makes it challenging to discern what is right, just as the lack of bad prevents the understanding of good. In navigating between these extremes, choices emerge.
Yet, I perceive life not as dictated by a binary of wrong and good, but rather as a series of opportunities to learn and make better choices. What one deems bad may hold merit for another; the key lies in evaluating the benefits and consequences based on individual perspectives.
However, for someone unbiased and still holding onto a sense of humanism, reading about the suffering imposed on families, children, individuals, and nations—whose possessions were seized at God's command—raises questions about the assertion that God is Good.

There is no family in the process of setting matters straight!
God only picked a nation through Abraham and whoever grasp God's purpose will benefit maximally by supporting His will.
As for possessions who told you anyone possessed anything when they will eventually die and leave everything behind them? smiley
Re: Trust Not God by vdestro: 6:49pm On Jan 24
Roycemadeit:

You obviously didn't understand my post. You may go through it again. I specifically talked about the meaning of GRACE and it's ridiculousness in the palace of justice...

And i have pointed out that in the places of justice, grace is dispensed at the discretion of The Judge on grounds of Law and Just is, given to those who have qualified for it.
Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 10:08pm On Jan 24
MaxInDHouse:



As for possessions who told you anyone possessed anything when they will eventually die and leave everything behind them? smiley

You see how you left other things I mentioned and jumped to possession? If nobody possessed anything why did God lead Israelites to possessing a land that's not theirs?

If something is evil acknowledge it, but y'all believers would not because you don't recognise it.

While others think and act progressively, believers' see Endtime
Re: Trust Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:45am On Jan 25
Roycemadeit:

Why did God lead Israelites to possessing a land that's not theirs?

The answer is found in your copy of the Bible but you only need to study our book with us otherwise you will continue to confuse yourself!

Answer to your question
This is what God said about the possession of land He acquired for the Israelites:

"Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. You will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the Israelites.”" Exodus 19:5-6

Do you notice that the land God acquired for the Israelites was for a purpose?
God said the whole earth belongs to Him but He chose one nation (Israel) to set the standard for all others to know the difference between false gods and the true God.
That's why He journeyed to Egypt the world's most powerful nation back then with two feeble octogenarians (Moses and Aaron) so that the whole world may know that the God walking with Israel is the Almighty God.

So when He acquired the land for the Israelites it was not theirs rather it was for Him that's why He warned them strictly that if they fail to meet up with the task He is giving them they will be purged out of that land:

“When Jehovah your God annihilates the nations that you are to dispossess, and you are living in their land, be careful not to be entrapped after they have been annihilated from before you. Do not ask about their gods, saying, ‘How were these nations accustomed to serve their gods? I too will do the same." Deuteronomy 12:29-30

What will happen if the Israelites fail to do what is required? Leviticus 26:14-33

There God told the Israelites that He will surely dispossess them from the land He acquired for them.

And that is what happened in the year 607 BCE when Babylonians under the command of King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and it's Temple.

So my friend the God we're talking about is not nepotistic rather He has a purpose that even Israelites must comply with it otherwise He is ready to DESTROY them! Exodus 32:8-10

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