Beaf:

If you are all for division, why are you making contradictory noises like you are scared of the SE/SS leaving? Why are you so concerned about how the core-North would cope? You are not from any of those regions, yet you are so concerned? You are just a bigotted piece of of slime.
You sound scared, cos you are scared.

Bliss4Lyfe:

The new nation will have a new Capital city and regional cities that will become the centre for Commerce, Industries, Tourism, Science, Business, Arts, Craft, Innovation and Technology. The rural areas will be agricultural, services, i.e. education, health and cultural centres.

Tell me why anybody will come to Lagos or the North now? We go to these places becos of the false sense of nationhood. We think it is our country.

As per IGR and Lagos, your State, i can only hope your new inhabitant dat is Togo, Ghana, Benin will maintain it.

Bliss4Lyfe:


The truth is the East has a large quantity of oil and gas reserves untapped. The east contributes largely to the IGR of the Southwest and North as we all know.

All those investment will be pulled out and alot of traffic will be diverted to the east. For one, the confusion of going straight from the UK to Lagos before east, will be out of the window and likewise for easterners based up North. I will no longer worry about buying or building houses else where but the east.


The list goes on and on.

dayokanu:

Looking at the figures posted above by Danjohn

If we combine SW and SE states

Lagos is Number 1, Oyo Number 2 Ogun Number 3 and Osun is number 5.

In summary top 5 has 4 SW, 1 SE Could this be the reasn why OP and others are quick to lump themselves with SS so they can leech off the awoof "oyel"?

Bliss4Lyfe:

Lets wait till Nigeria breaks up and take another look at Country by Country performance. That IGR is accurate becos of the productive migrant population. Cities like London, New york and Paris enjoy the same status. Take away the eastern migrant force and investment and wat do u have even after more than 12 years of being President.

In actual fact it could be argued that the figures in the IGR are deceptive becos the vast majority of figures are contributed by migrant economic labour force both in capital. Let the east withdraw does migrant investment from all over Nigeria and add them to the east, wat do u have?

dayokanu:

You want us to believe its the migrants that made Oyo and Ogun state?

How come these migrants dont contribute to Anambra state?

How many migrants are in Osun State that makes them generate more than 4 SE states?

The pertinent question should be can the SE stand alone without annexing the SS and other parts of the country?

ekt_bear:

NL server went down, so this additional comment didn't get posted:


Truth be told, I'm not sure it makes sense to pick on the North alone.

At least judging by IGR #s, the SE is no more viable than the North is.

SE is banking on being able to latch onto oil-rich Rivers State (and I guess possibly also Akwa Ibom).

Without those revenue sources, it'll face the same challenges the North does.


BTW, another thing to keep in mind is that if you do the math, even if all federal allocations to the North disappear tomorrow, assuming a population of roughly ~80 million in northern Nigeria, will "only" need to raise taxes by $42/year per person to make up the difference. Which really shouldn't be that hard to accomplish, yes?

ekt_bear:

FWIW, investments  don't "pull themselves" out. Unless you mean someone will destroy the business he has built rather than selling it off.

Regarding contribution of Igbos to North and SW, so long as their contributions can be replaced by whoever replaces those who leaves, no net loss.

Bliss4lyfe, I am not sure if you are trying to fool me or yourself. The data simply doesn't back you up. SE without a portion of the SS to latch onto is as bad as the north. Only Abia State generates any IGR of significance. The rest are in terrible situations.

Amazingly enough, the NW and NC zones generate far more IGR than the SE. So the question perhaps should be, can the SE stand alone?

GAR3TH:

The Fact remains that NO PART OF NIGERIA CAN STAND ALONE. even the Niger delta states have nothing, take away the oil and they will all collapse. The only places that may stand a chance is [size=33pt]Lagos[/size] and possibly rivers, other than that every region in nigeria is worthless. [size=33pt]You guys on nairaland always have draft arguments, in this case you are arguing who is the poorest of the poor, which in this case is the north. Pathetic,[/size] [size=33pt]and some even try and associate them selves with the SS, why because their region is also worthless[/size].

Desola:

Pointb,

Bobo yii, yara e 'brain, men!

You speak of oil and gas deposit and I tell you to multiply your oil deposit and I'll show you exactly that in Yorubaland.

We are not speaking theories here but practical. I am a pragmatist and can tell you that while you are boasting of some yeye deposit somewhere in your village, the West has it in abundance.

What counts however is what is visible and at the moment, the Hausas are trading and using the man power that you boast of having in the coffers, on their farms! They are living it while you are speaking it.

Now, I ask you again: Can the east stand on its own?

danjohn:

This ranking is based on the states IGR per citizen. It is ranked in ascending order starting with states with lower IGR per citizen.

Zone State          IGR               FAAC                         Total           Population IGR per Citizen
NE Bauchi 2,300,000,000 29,300,000,000 31,600,000,000 4,653,066 494
NE Borno 2,100,000,000 29,800,000,000 31,900,000,000 4,171,104 503
NW Jigawa 2,400,000,000 27,600,000,000 30,000,000,000 4,361,002 550
NW Katsina 3,200,000,000 30,000,000,000 33,200,000,000 5,801,584 552
NE Yobe 1,800,000,000 24,500,000,000 26,300,000,000 2,321,339 775
NC Niger 3,100,000,000 29,200,000,000 32,300,000,000 3,954,772 784
NW Sokoto 3,100,000,000 26,100,000,000 29,200,000,000 3,702,676 837
NW Zamfara 2,900,000,000 24,600,000,000 27,500,000,000 3,278,873 884
SE Ebonyi 2,100,000,000 20,700,000,000 22,800,000,000 2,176,947 965
NC Kogi 3,300,000,000 25,100,000,000 28,400,000,000 3,314,043 996
SW Ondo 3,800,000,000 42,300,000,000 46,100,000,000 3,460,877 1,098
NC Plateau 3,600,000,000 24,500,000,000 28,100,000,000 3,206,531 1,123
SW Ekiti 2,700,000,000 20,900,000,000 23,600,000,000 2,398,957 1,125
SE Anambra 4,800,000,000 25,200,000,000 30,000,000,000 4,177,828 1,149
NW Kebbi 3,800,000,000 25,100,000,000 28,900,000,000 3,256,541 1,167
SE Enugu 4,100,000,000 23,600,000,000 27,700,000,000 3,267,837 1,255
NC Nasarawa 2,400,000,000 21,400,000,000 23,800,000,000 1,869,377 1,284
NW Kano 12,200,000,000 39,500,000,000 51,700,000,000 9,401,288 1,298
NE Adamawa 4,200,000,000 25,000,000,000 29,200,000,000 3,178,950 1,321
SE Imo 5,200,000,000 30,500,000,000 35,700,000,000 3,927,563 1,324
NE Taraba 3,300,000,000 24,700,000,000 28,000,000,000 2,294,800 1,438
NW Kaduna 9,300,000,000 31,500,000,000 40,800,000,000 6,113,503 1,521
SW Osun 5,400,000,000 23,200,000,000 28,600,000,000 3,416,959 1,580
NC Benue 8,300,000,000 27,000,000,000 35,300,000,000 4,253,641 1,951
SW Oyo 11,900,000,000 29,200,000,000 41,100,000,000 5,580,894 2,132
SS Bayelsa 3,900,000,000 85,600,000,000 89,500,000,000 1,704,515 2,288
SS Cross River 7,100,000,000 24,700,000,000 31,800,000,000 2,892,988 2,454
SW Ogun 11,200,000,000 24,400,000,000 35,600,000,000 3,751,140 2,986
SS Akwa Ibom 12,100,000,000 132,400,000,000 144,500,000,000 3,902,051 3,101
SE Abia 9,900,000,000 27,800,000,000 37,700,000,000 2,845,380 3,479
SS Delta 15,600,000,000 108,500,000,000 124,100,000,000 4,112,445 3,793
SS Edo 12,400,000,000 28,500,000,000 40,900,000,000 3,233,366 3,835
NE Gombe 9,500,000,000 22,200,000,000 31,700,000,000 2,365,040 4,017
NC Kwara 11,300,000,000 22,800,000,000 34,100,000,000 2,365,353 4,777
SS Rivers 58,500,000,000 126,000,000,000 184,500,000,000 5,198,716 11,253
SW Lagos 147,100,000,000 35,700,000,000 182,800,000,000 9,113,605 16,141

PointB:

The IGR generated by the SE in not unconnected to long practice of unfavorable government policy of the past. In spite of that, the SE is willing and ready to go alone. I think it's mischievous to discount the large oil and gas deposit in Abia and Imo, and the untapped Coal deposit of Enugu, and of course the Gold deposit of Ebonyi.

But overall, the human resource of the zone remains the biggest potential. So even with zero IGR is SE is primed and ready.

Is the North?

Bliss4Lyfe:

By the way, as far as i am concernedthe key states on the IGR are Lagos, Delta and Port Harcourt. All the others are volatile, extremely volatile. They clearly benefited from the eight years of investment under OBJ to an extent and States like Oyo that is Ibadan has alot of Igbo businessmen, likewise Ogun with Abeokuta/Ijebu.

If u doubt me why did Fashola deport yorubas in Lagos and not Igbos. Where does he get the tax money he is using for lagos development and maintenance? Why has he freely given away Lekki to foreigners with very low tax returns and in some cases none and all sort of promises that they now own that part of Lagos?  

alj_harem:


Thank you bliss4lyf, you are right

Now do you accept my intial theory that IGBOS are a minority in Nigeria. Yes or No

since the Highest Igbo population and concentration is in Lagos, Oyo and Kano

lagos of a population of 9 million has 50 % Igbos thus 4.5 million. Still Lagos remain a yoruba speaking enviornement even that Igbos are a majority because yorubas are CERTAINLY not the remaining 50%

Thank you , How was your day today ?

dayokanu:

Can someone sum up IGR per zone?

Definitely the SE is the worst in the South

We just want to know if they are the worst nationwide in terms of IGR

Bliss4Lyfe:

No I do not agree and my day was on Nairaland.  Coming away from the site soon, very addictive.

Bliss4Lyfe:

U forgot Anambra, rich in natural gas, crude oil, bauxite, ceramic and has an almost 100 percent arable soil and the indigenous Orient Petroleum Resource Ltd, completing its first refinery next year. http://nationalmirroronline.net/news/19536.html

danjohn:

@ekt_bear

I have published a spreadsheet on google

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AuwJBs8n5jZvdGp1UXVFNkpPNWpyOHI0Sl9TYnJHNUE&single=true&gid=0&output=html

nolongTing, I got my numbers from ekt_bear via this link

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-798788.0.html#msg9506962

Below is a better visual presentation:

PointB:

I have not question the ability of the Yoruba to live by themselves, and for the SE, there is no doubt, not even an iota of doubt, that the SE can stand on their own. Various commentators have mentioned landlocked Botswana as a case in point. How much more SE, even without the SS. So shed no tears for SE, as they are more than ready to live on their own.

Sharia North is the focus here. I need not tell you that Middle Belt is not North, so when you talk about agricultural product be specific. Don't forget also that Cassava, Rice, Yam, Oil Palm, Plantain, etc are major food and cash crop produced in the SE. These days, people avoid red meat like plague. Fish is is the main thing, and it can readily be 'produced' in backyards with enough water! So quit yapping about agricultural North the argument doe hold! It is anachronistic!

alj_harem:

I agree, very addictive site.

Anyway,[size=18pt] forget this nonsense Beaf is trying to sell to u people[/size]. He is a well known bigot and a very good tribalist