States/regions should take care of it including the funding from their resources of course. States/regions that can't afford it should contract it out or rearrange their priorities or hire just 100 police if that's all they can afford. Dependency on other regions must stop, it's making everyone poor and causing problems.

Abbeyme:


I believe we should first perfect the legislation around the structure, how it will be funded. How it will be staffed. Appointment and employment criteria should all be spelt out.

Otherwise, it’ll get messy.

And to an independent body elected by the people.

poseidon12:


State Police should not be accountable to the IG but to the State Government.

Things will change when there's no Abuja to hide behind and police officers are known by the locals from childhood.

Asswipemod:


You can opt out of the country when the recruitment start.

Police is always under the executive arm with an independent commission. Governors can't tell police what to do, they are not part of the cabinets. Having law enforcement under judiciary is suicidal to the criminal justice system, only a full fledge police state does that.

DeOTR:

Everything has disadvantages. Since this system of policing has proven to be ineffective. Is it bad to try state policing? They won't necessarily be controlled by the governor.
I'm a supporter of state policing and I've always maintained that to strengthen our judicial system, the police boss, in the state and federal should report directly to chief justice of the state, that of the federation respectively, not the governors or the President. It will also hasten the judicial process. The same body giving judgement should be the one enforcing it. It will curb executive rascality.
When they're ready to forward the bill, everyone will have the opportunity to give their inputs. We can't continue like this because of the fear of the unknown.

ycat:
Police is always under the executive arm with an independent commission. Governors can't tell police what to do, they are not part of the cabinets. Having law enforcement under judiciary is suicidal to the criminal justice system, only a full fledge police state does that.

Police in the US is under department of justice, no?
You can ahead to cite an example of a full fledge police state that has it's police department under the judiciary. It even sounds contradictory to me.

You talk about independent commission like state electoral body that conducts sham local government elections right?

No, police is under the executive branch. Everything law enforcement from the cia, fbi to the police, they are executive branch.

The inec is federal in Nigeria but states in the US. Nigeria is over centralized and that's why it will never work.

And because we are different indigenous nations, that's why the UK system we had worked and still the best for us. In UK every region does its own thing and does not really put all its attention on London.

DeOTR:

Police in the US is under department of justice, no?

ycat:
No, police is under the executive branch. Everything law enforcement from the cia, fbi to the police, they are executive branch.

The inec is federal in Nigeria but states in the US. Nigeria is over centralized and that's why it will never work.

And because we are different indigenous nations, that's why the UK system we had worked and still the best for us. In UK every region does its own thing and does not really put all its attention on London.

Department of Justice controls the FBI and DEA, etc. The executive doesn't directly control the FBI, same way the governors don't directly control state police.
I've always spoken in support of regionalism. That's the last thing worked for Nigeria. We should go back to it to salvage the situation before it's too late. But we know some are threatened by the mere mention of this and you'll wonder how they're faring under this current arrangement.

oz4real83:
As good as this sounds, the recruitment procedure must be given due diligence, state police must not be treated the same way some states have been treating state vigilante agencies where cultists loyal to the ruling party are the personnel or workforce , protecting the people and properties should be the central theme across board, not cult-wars .

This is my fear.

We politicise everything in this country even to life threatning issues.

They can create who ever da fork they like they can still be bribed, infact, this would create more corrupt thieving extortionists. More corrupt police to bribe. added to the existing corrupt ones already.

Even God and Jesus (that is if they exist) can be bribed in Naigeeria.

Corruption is Naigeeria's main problem, for some ignorant reasons the corrupt Naigeerian people and their corrupt government are ignoring this fact.

tommy589:
Political opponents should be preparing for extinction

The safety of the masses first.The political elites can take care of themselves.

paramakina202:


The safety of the masses first.The political elites can take care of themselves.

As if the governors care about the masses safety.What have they done with their security votes and monthly allocations. Who is going to fund it? States that won't pay salaries when due are now expected not to default paying an official armed unit.

Have you forgotten so soon the illegalities of NPF that led to endsars protest. And you think these governors that divert LG allocations and organise kangaroo LG elections would do better

What FG need to do is to recruit and train National guards from each LG with input from traditional institutions. These men are stakeholders in their respective communities and knowing the stakes involve would perform creditably

tommy589:


As if the governors care about the masses safety.What have they done with their security votes and monthly allocations. Who is going to fund it? States that won't pay salaries when due are now expected not to default paying an official armed unit.

Have you forgotten so soon the illegalities of NPF that led to endsars protest. And you think these governors that divert LG allocations and organise kangaroo LG elections would do better

What FG need to do is to recruit and train National guards from each LG with input from traditional institutions. These men are stakeholders in their respective communities and knowing the stakes involve would perform creditably

You are concerned over the safety of opposition politicians in the hands of state police.
State police will eliminate varieties of insecurities without waiting for orders from above(Abuja).
Kidnappers, herdsmen/bandits menace will be more efficiently dealt with at states level.
The benefit of having state police out weighs any negative impact that may comee with it.
Why are you afraid of state police even when federal police has failed?

paramakina202:


You are concerned over the safety of opposition politicians in the hands of state police.
State police will eliminate varieties of insecurities without waiting for orders from above(Abuja).
Kidnappers, herdsmen/bandits menace will be more efficiently dealt with at states level.
The benefit of having state police out weighs any negative impact that may comee with it.
Why are you afraid of state police even when federal police has failed?

Indicate where I commented about opposition politicians in my response to you? You overlooked the areas I highlighted and did not address it as if it is not going to pose problems. Even when you have not run foul of any law, ordinary state government enforcement officials in road,tax,waste etc. management act without fear of God or man just to rip you off

Htaving an FG community driven national guard is the solution

tommy589:


Indicate where I commented about opposition politicians in my response to you? You overlooked the areas I highlighted and did not address it as if it is not going to pose problems. Even when you have not run foul of any law, ordinary state government enforcement officials in road,tax,waste etc. management act without fear of God or man just to rip you off

Htaving an FG community driven national guard is the solution

Tommy589:Political opponents should be preparing for extinction.

paramakina202:


Tommy589:Political opponents should be preparing for extinction.

I said your comment that I responded to

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Good one but the effects could be counter-productive if the Governors converts the already existing Vigilantee groups to such security network and hence, make them their errand Boyz.

E go bloody.

tommy589:


Having an FG community driven national guard is the solution

Can this solve the problem of herdsmen, bandits, etc

whitejs:


Can this solve the problem of herdsmen, bandits, etc

Yes

The people living and working in those communities are the stakeholders. Recruitment should be grassroots and solely LG and FG collaboration. Involve traditional heads or leaders of good standing to identify/guarantee candidates of impeccable characters in recruitment/selection process.

Aside loyalists of government in power filling up positions,how are the states going to sustain the outfits with funding? We are talking of governors that collect huge monthly allocations and are still unable to pay workers salaries. Let's leave it to imagination when salaries of armed men are not met

If evidence is provided that a person committed a crime, bribe, looting of public funds, murder or any form or association of siege / public disturbance. All parties involved as accomplice are therefore sentenced to death or any form you choose.

DigitB:


China law?

Enlighten me please

ycat:
States/regions should take care of it including the funding from their resources of course. States/regions that can't afford it should contract it out or rearrange their priorities or hire just 100 police if that's all they can afford. Dependency on other regions must stop, it's making everyone poor and causing problems.

This can lead to some states being safe haven for criminals. E.g, a high profile crime is committed in, say, Lagos State, tgen the criminal flees to say, Niger State which has many places where they can hide and even the state does not the financial or political will to find and arrest the criminal; will the crime be forgotten or the criminal will now buy protection from NPF? Hope you understand my analogy.

That's my concern.

Bravo on this, every state must determine it's fate... federal government can't control security of the whole nation from Abuja.

Hoarders should be chased out of business...in America or UK you can't hoard in order to exploit the people, why do we accept nonsense on Nigeria?

Any hoarders caught should be sued to court and prosecuted.

tommy589:
Political opponents should be preparing for extinction

So what's the solution please?

If state/regional police is in effect, other things will also be put in place to make it difficult for someone from another region to come and commit crime in let say Yorubaland. There will be Identity cards for every person residing in the region and distinct markings for non indigenes. There will be patrols and checkpoints for suspicious vehicles and people. Putting your hand on anyone will be a simple battery with 5 years in prison. People will complain and we will ignore them. There's something called barangay in the Philippines, Yoruba villages used to have it and was called 'oritun' Every area has it and the moment a stranger is around every eyes are on him or her and want to know what his/her mission and secretly monitor that person till he's out of the area. A polish friend recently told me that they also have that in their small town. Every problem has a solution, the willingness to do it is the thing. With the insecurity all around, there will be no mountain too high to climb to secure our land.

Abbeyme:


This can lead to some states being safe haven for criminals. E.g, a high profile crime is committed in, say, Lagos State, tgen the criminal flees to say, Niger State which has many places where they can hide and even the state does not the financial or political will to find and arrest the criminal; will the crime be forgotten or the criminal will now buy protection from NPF? Hope you understand my analogy.

That's my concern.

The president appoints them and all you hear is Trump's FBI or Biden's FBI or Obama's FBI. You will never hear DOJ's FBI. Of course they secretly influence each other and scratch each other's back. Regionalism is the only way out and anyone standing against it is just trying to keep stealing from others. God has blessed every region in a special way and we can do it. The killings is just too much, time to go back to the beginning.

DeOTR:

Department of Justice controls the FBI and DEA, etc. The executive doesn't directly control the FBI, same way the governors don't directly control state police.
I've always spoken in support of regionalism. That's the last thing worked for Nigeria. We should go back to it to salvage the situation before it's too late. But we know some are threatened by the mere mention of this and you'll wonder how they're faring under this current arrangement.

holluwizzy:
If evidence is provided that a person committed a crime, bribe, looting of public funds, murder or any form or association of siege / public disturbance. All parties involved as accomplice are therefore sentenced to death or any form you choose.

I think that's the best way to sanitize the political space in Nigeria

DeOTR:

Everything has disadvantages. Since this system of policing has proven to be ineffective. Is it bad to try state policing? They won't necessarily be controlled by the governor.
I'm a supporter of state policing and I've always maintained that to strengthen our judicial system, the police boss, in the state and federal should report directly to chief justice of the state, that of the federation respectively, not the governors or the President. It will also hasten the judicial process. The same body giving judgement should be the one enforcing it. It will curb executive rascality.
When they're ready to forward the bill, everyone will have the opportunity to give their inputs. We can't continue like this because of the fear of the unknown.

Have you forgotten that the chief judge of the state and the federation are still under the the governor and the president respectively? They pay their bills.

goslowgoslow:

Have you forgotten that the chief judge of the state and the federation are still under the the governor and the president respectively? They pay their bills.

That too has to change. At least make them more independent and reduce executive influences to the barest minimum. They have a governing body. If things are right, the judiciary has not business depending so much on the executive. That's why we see that these guys can't even do their jobs until they get a bodge from the executive arm.