Fineman2:
More headache for Mr Putin, does it mean his friend Viktor Orbán has betrayed him

What can NATO do to Russia than the one they are doing in Ukraine.

One thing I know for sure is, United State of America will still be the only country that can dare Nuke a country after & after again.
Lobatan..

Minsk24:

Lol, what is difficult to understand, every ship that sails out of the black sea has to pass tru Istanbul

Bosphorus strait he meant. He shouldn't be saying they would blockade the Black Sea in it entirety.

Quelme:
Bosphorus strait he meant. He shouldn't be saying they would blockade the Black Sea in it entirety.

Thats the point, if boshphorus is blockaded by NATO, Russia won't have any exit or access to international waters from that region, this will hamper Russian economy during wartime and even in a NATO naval warfare in that region, i feel NATO will have the upperhand logistically

KGBKremlin:


What can NATO do to Russia than the one they are doing in Ukraine.

Is NATO in a direct war with Russia?

Rahkman:
wait till the us begin opening bases there usa will control the baltic sea you think this is not a problem?

Sweden and Finland were already defacto NATO members even before now. Nothing new.

Quelme:
Sweden and Finland were already defacto NATO members even before now. Nothing new.

Not True, these countries have had a long standing neutral policy, especially for finland, following the aftermath of the winter war ..while they have been more aligned with the west, they were not part of Nato or have any significant NATO military presence, especially for finland

Minsk24:

Thats the point, if boshphorus is blockaded by NATO, Russia won't have any exit or access to international waters from that region, this will hamper Russian economy during wartime and even in a NATO naval warfare in that region, i feel NATO will have the upperhand logistically

Caspian sea, Artic sea through the northern sea route and don't forget Russia has land borders with about 14 different countries.

Armenian imports over the last two years since the beginning of the SMO has been raising eyebrow. Russia is using Armenia and other Soviet states as a hub for import of some Western goods, reason why Armenia will forever be under the influence of the Kremlin same with other former Soviet states.

Do you even know the number of migrant workers from the former Soviet states currently in the Russian work force?

Russia foresaw this, reason why the port of Tartus in Syria is important.

Minsk24:

Not True, these countries have had a long standing neutral policy, especially for finland, following the aftermath of the winter war ..while they have been more aligned with the west, they were not part of Nato or have any significant NATO military presence, especially for finland

go and confirm, Finland and Sweden usually take part in NATO war games. Columbia, Japan, South Korea and Australia are not NATO members officially but we know they are all in bed with NATO.

Quelme:
go and confirm, Finland and Sweden usually take part in NATO war games. Columbia, Japan, South Korea and Australia are not NATO members officially but we know they are all in bed with NATO.

You are right, i agree with you

Quelme:
Caspian sea, Artic sea through the northern sea route and don't forget Russia has land borders with about 14 different countries.

Armenian imports over the last two years since the beginning of the SMO has been raising eyebrow. Russia is using Armenia and other Soviet states as a hub for import of some Western goods, reason why Armenia will forever be under the influence of the Kremlin same with other former Soviet states.

Do you even know the number of migrant workers from the former Soviet states currently in the Russian work force?

Russia foresaw this, reason why the port of Tartus in Syria is important.

Yes you are right, but you cannot underestimate the importance of the black sea to Russia's interest, i believe one of the main reasons for this war was to dominate the black sea, Russia's Achilles heel has been limited access to commercial maritime...the Caspian sea will need to traverse tru different countries...same with armenia...
You have made very good points, i agree with all your points, while they will have options, a war with Nato will hurt Russia's maritime operations, because even in the baltic, u still have to pass tru straits that are controlled by NATO....
Russia's usage of Armenia and Georgia for imports is a very smart move, i really appreciate the tactfulness of t Moscow to evade sanctions, their economy is growing and there is a growing number of homegrown companies filling up vacancies....i am very impressed...
The last point on immigrants is very true, these immigrants send money back home and this will increase Russian soft power on the region...
I appreciate your points, very logical and well thought out

Minsk24:

Yes you are right, but you cannot underestimate the importance of the black sea to Russia's interest, i believe one of the main reasons for this war was to dominate the black sea, Russia's Achilles heel has been limited access to commercial maritime...the Caspian sea will need to traverse tru different countries...same with armenia...
You have made very good points, i agree with all your points, while they will have options, a war with Nato will hurt Russia's maritime operations, because even in the baltic, u still have to pass tru straits that are controlled by NATO....
Russia's usage of Armenia and Georgia for imports is a very smart move, i really appreciate the tactfulness of t Moscow to evade sanctions, their economy is growing and there is a growing number of homegrown companies filling up vacancies....i am very impressed...
The last point on immigrants is very true, these immigrants send money back home and this will increase Russian soft power on the region...
I appreciate your points, very logical and well thought out

You have a very sound mind which is very rare on Nairaland. Your argument are spot on too. No insults or name calling, just straight to the point.

WrriterNg:
Took too long sef.

How many years dem wan drag this thing sef



True!

Ukraine in NATO would be a bigger problem for Russia than Sweden + Finland + Baltic States put together.

Tears tears,
Yet Putin threatened to nuke Sweden over NATO

Quelme:
go and confirm, Finland and Sweden usually take part in NATO war games. Columbia, Japan, South Korea and Australia are not NATO members officially but we know they are all in bed with NATO.

Taking part in NATO drills is not the same as having a legal binding contract to defend someone
Ukraine has always been in NATO military drills before, but that can't make the USA or any NATO countries come to it's aid
The reason for making NATO thick is that no matter how small a country is the alliance is compel by the charter they signed to come to it's aid
The Chinese and Russia have conducted a lot of military drills,dose it mean XI will send it's military if Russia is been attacked??

NFBI:
US is always the good guy..

If Russia decided to have a pack with south America or mexico will America be happy about it?

Russia is not what America is telling everyone.

Russia and china are direct threat to America's place in the world

The question you should ask yourself is why do countries around Russia chose to have alliances with the USA and not Russia
Russia aggressively behaviour has pushed it's neighbours away,
Last three years was Sweden and Finland in NATO??
Why did they decided to join?
When Russia Wake up one morning and decided to attack it's neighbour Ukraine, others are bound to readjuste their forgien policy and defence apparatus.

To your question, WHAT exactly has Russia have to sell to Mexico that will make Mexico abandoned it's largest trading partner the USA, it's highest aid donor the USA??
The USA have made sure that countries under it sphere of influence in term's of proximity are well taken care of.

NFBI:
When will Nigeria join


American puppets. America have succeeded in brainwashing Europe that Russia is their enemy.

Why is Asia that more closer to Russia not scared?

Asia is closer to Russia. Hahahahahaha
Which of the countries in Asia
Mongolia, Iran, Syria,
When the biggest economy of Asia are in good term's with the USA
China the largest economy in Asia, is the largest trading country with the USA
With the trade recording a record 1trn last fiscal year, XI just visited America some time ago
Japan the next biggest economy is a close friend of the USA, the USA 7fleet is headquarters in Yokohama in Japan
South Korea also a close friend to the USA
Taiwan. Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, singer pore

USA has been cultivating a lot of russian neighbours since the end of ww2.
Their governments are infiltrated by USA agents. Their leaders are compromised by USA intelligence. And those who resist the USA get overthrown and replaced by USA friendly regimes like it happened in Ukraine.
Russia didn't wake up one morning and decided to invade Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine have a long history, by the way until 1991 the Ukraine was still part of russia. And Russia was provoked into a NATO proxy war.

obedience4:



The question you should ask yourself is why do countries around Russia chose to have alliances with the USA and not Russia
Russia aggressively behaviour has pushed it's neighbours away,
Last three years was Sweden and Finland in NATO??
Why did they decided to join?
When Russia Wake up one morning and decided to attack it's neighbour Ukraine, others are bound to readjuste their forgien policy and defence apparatus.

To your question, WHAT exactly has Russia have to sell to Mexico that will make Mexico abandoned it's largest trading partner the USA, it's highest aid donor the USA??
The USA have made sure that countries under it sphere of influence in term's of proximity are well taken care of.

obedience4:



Taking part in NATO drills is not the same as having a legal binding contract to defend someone
Ukraine has always been in NATO military drills before, but that can't make the USA or any NATO countries come to it's aid
The reason for making NATO thick is that no matter how small a country is the alliance is compel by the charter they signed to come to it's aid
The Chinese and Russia have conducted a lot of military drills,dose it mean XI will send it's military if Russia is been attacked??

Let me hold you by your logic, if North Korea attacks Japan or South Korea, the US and it allies will not come to their rescue? Because these two countries are not NATO members and rightly so NATO and its allies are not obligated to help them?

obedience4:



The question you should ask yourself is why do countries around Russia chose to have alliances with the USA and not Russia
Russia aggressively behaviour has pushed it's neighbours away,
Last three years was Sweden and Finland in NATO??
Why did they decided to join?
When Russia Wake up one morning and decided to attack it's neighbour Ukraine, others are bound to readjuste their forgien policy and defence apparatus.

To your question, WHAT exactly has Russia have to sell to Mexico that will make Mexico abandoned it's largest trading partner the USA, it's highest aid donor the USA??
The USA have made sure that countries under it sphere of influence in term's of proximity are well taken care of.

Haiti, Guatemala, Barbados, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and many more central and South American countries that has been in eternal penury courtesy of the US led economic sabotage would not agree with this your statement.

US needs to readjust it foreign policy especially towards it immediate neighbours aside Canada and may be Mexico and Brazil others are nothing to write home about economically just because the US doesn't want to see them flourish, a ploy to keep them subservient for all eternity.

The translation is of poor quality, actually macron makes it clear that NATO already has troops in Ukraine, but that they deny it officially. The troops are there fighting on the ground unofficially. Without the countries taking responsibility of sending troops.
Macron is trying to cover his ass because a lot of his unofficial troops have been killed in Ukraine. He will have to account for them at some point.

Quelme:
Haiti, Guatemala, Barbados, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and many more central and South American countries that has been in eternal penury courtesy of the US led economic sabotage would not agree with this your statement.

US needs to readjust it foreign policy especially towards it immediate neighbours aside Canada and may be Mexico and Brazil others are nothing to write home about economically just because the US doesn't want to see them flourish, a ploy to keep them subservient for all eternity.

Give me evidence that the USA contribute to Nations downfall,
They are only suffering because of the aid the USA have withdrew from them,either because of bad leadership or military coup s

Quelme:
Let me hold you by your logic, if North Korea attacks Japan or South Korea, the US and it allies will not come to their rescue? Because these two countries are not NATO members and rightly so NATO and its allies are not obligated to help them?

Don't waste your time with that guy, I already debated him. He is not smart at all.

Quelme:
Let me hold you by your logic, if North Korea attacks Japan or South Korea, the US and it allies will not come to their rescue? Because these two countries are not NATO members and rightly so NATO and its allies are not obligated to help them?

The USA have separate defence pact's with Japan and south Korea,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Treaty_between_the_United_States_and_Japan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_the_United_States_and_Japan


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty_(United_States%E2%80%93South_Korea)


The reason why Nations go into these agreement is for its to be legally bidding
The USA will have to go to war with any country that attacks Japan not because it wants to but because it is documented and signed by both parties.

The USA have defence alliance
With Philippines, UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc

obedience4:



The USA have separate defence pact's with Japan and south Korea,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Treaty_between_the_United_States_and_Japan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_the_United_States_and_Japan


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty_(United_States%E2%80%93South_Korea)


The reason why Nations go into these agreement is for its to be legally bidding
The USA will have to go to war with any country that attacks Japan not because it wants to but because it is documented and signed by both parties.

The USA have defence alliance
With Philippines, UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc

US is NATO and NATO is the US. You are still agreeing with me Sir.

Take away the US from NATO, what becomes of the alliance? Can you please elucidate?

So long as US is involved, NATO is still in the equation because an attack on the US is an attack on NATO, are we on the same page on this?

obedience4:


Give me evidence that the USA contribute to Nations downfall,
They are only suffering because of the aid the USA have withdrew from them,either because of bad leadership or military coup s

You need to have a date with Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Hugo Chavez/Maduro, Fidel Castro et al.