Aemmyjah:


No
It doesn't amd never existed

It does but these people think it's where their physical bodies will go and burn
Now if the spirit is immaterial then how can it burn either?
Wahala

EreluRoz:
MaxInDHouse 😆

Jesus was also alluding to Isaiah
Isaiah said something similar

Adam brought sin into the world and is now dust
Is it his imperfect offspring that should be burning in a fiery chamber? That's injustice and unloving but God is love and just

Zaheertyler:

It does but these people think it's where their physical bodies will go and burn
Now if the spirit is immaterial then how can it burn either?
Wahala

Hellfire is not a Bible teaching

Aemmyjah:


Hellfire is not a Bible teaching

No...but living in misery is..some think it's about money but you can have money and still be miserable
When we make good choices we enjoy good fortunes and joy and prosperity
When we make bad choices we should learn from our mistakes and learn
But some people refuse to learn their lessons and choose misery because of pride or maybe the identity they created for themselves (ego)
That was why Satan was mad
He is choice itself
He tests you when you make the right choice he leaves you and allows you to enjoy your good fortune
But you make the wrong choice you become bound to him and he will torture you until you learn your lesson and change
Hell is the point where you are bound to Satan
But you can always leave
Very easy and hard

Aemmyjah:


Jesus was also alluding to Isaiah
Isaiah said something similar

Adam brought sin into the world and is now dust
Is it his imperfect offspring that should be burning in a fiery chamber? That's injustice and unloving but God is love and just

Hmm I'm confused already

Zaheertyler:

It does but these people think it's where their physical bodies will go and burn
Now if the spirit is immaterial then how can it burn either?
Wahala

They have wicked hearts and they assume that is how God will be.

Question that will throw them of balance with their Hellfire nonsense:

Who is the first sinner?
What was God's pronouncement about his sin?
Where is he now?
What happens to good and nice people who don't understand the Gospel but lived a good life?
What happens to people who lived before the time Bible got to Africa?

See how they will run away!

EreluRoz:
Hmm I'm confused already

You don't have to be just watch how they are organized if they're zealously preaching and industriously teaching what they believe in their neighbourhood just as Jesus commanded that's when you will know that they're just saying what they heard from pastors and not what they can teach using the scriptures.

If you ask them sincere questions they will run away and tell you to go and listen to pastors!

MaxInDHouse:


What is the first death?

If you know that then you will understand the second.

I'm responding to your delusional thoughts as my SB is showing interest in this topic i don't waste my precious time with misinformed churchgoers.

First death is the death that comes with Adamic sin so both the good and evil are effected but the second death only takes away all the things God never purposed in the beginning for instance death, burial place and evildoers all aren't in God's arrangement from the beginning so they will not be found in God's kingdom.

That's what the second death means! Revelations 20:14

Revelation 20

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.

14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


The meaning of the second death is plain in black and white. The lake of fire is the second death, the wine of the fury of God.

If the first death was permanent why is there the need for a second death?

Did you read verse 13? The people who were already dead from the first death were released from their prison.

Verse 15 tells us why. If the name of anyone (all those standing in judgment including those released from the prison of Hades or Hell) was not found written in the Book of Life they will experience the second death, the lake of fire.

I will quote you here

but the second death only takes away all the things God never purposed in the beginning for instance death, burial place and evildoers all aren't in God's arrangement from the beginning so they will not be found in God's kingdom.

You mentioned death, burial place and evil doers. You replace Hades in the bible with "burial place". Typical JW doctrine.

Zaheertyler:

It does but these people think it's where their physical bodies will go and burn
Now if the spirit is immaterial then how can it burn either?
Wahala

Ask yourself. If a righteous soul, according to you is immaterial and cannot feel sensations of burn, can feel pleasure and can laugh and enjoy paradise, why is it complex to understand that an unrighteous soul can feel pain, torment?

Aemmyjah:


Jesus was also alluding to Isaiah
Isaiah said something similar

Adam brought sin into the world and is now dust
Is it his imperfect offspring that should be burning in a fiery chamber? That's injustice and unloving but God is love and just

Adam did not die unrighteous. Sin came into the world through him but the sin of disobedience did not condemn him to eternal punishment while he lived hundreds of years before his death. He recognised his error and followed God till he became dust.

Do not be deceived. God is both a loving God and a severe God. You must know His nature so as not to be deceived. He is both meek and a consuming fire that destroys His adversaries. The Lord Jesus Christ said you should fear Him because He is able to both kill the body and destroy it in hell meaning condemn the person to eternity in hell.

CaptainJune:


Ask yourself. If a righteous soul, according to you is immaterial and cannot feel sensations of burn, can feel pleasure and can laugh and enjoy paradise, why is it complex to understand that an unrighteous soul can feel pain, torment?

Leave all those Jehovah witness people.

Even if you showed them evidence in the bible, they would simply ignore. They would rather be plugged to church indoctrination.

CaptainJune:


Adam did not die unrighteous. Sin came into the world through him but the sin of disobedience did not condemn him to eternal punishment while he lived hundreds of years before his death. He recognised his error and followed God till he became dust.

He did not follow God
He was cursed
He did not apologize but blame God and his wife
Saul was cursed but he still lived long before he died and some other wicked folks too

EreluRoz:
Hmm I'm confused already

Pls don't be

Zaheertyler:

No...but living in misery is..some think it's about money but you can have money and still be miserable
When we make good choices we enjoy good fortunes and joy and prosperity
When we make bad choices we should learn from our mistakes and learn
But some people refuse to learn their lessons and choose misery because of pride or maybe the identity they created for themselves (ego)
That was why Satan was mad
He is choice itself
He tests you when you make the right choice he leaves you and allows you to enjoy your good fortune
But you make the wrong choice you become bound to him and he will torture you until you learn your lesson and change
Hell is the point where you are bound to Satan
But you can always leave
Very easy and hard

I love your writeup
Makes no sense tho

CaptainJune:

Revelation 20
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
The meaning of the second death is plain in black and white. The lake of fire is the second death, the wine of the fury of God.
If the first death was permanent why is there the need for a second death?
Did you read verse 13? The people who were already dead from the first death were released from their prison.
Verse 15 tells us why. If the name of anyone (all those standing in judgment including those released from the prison of Hades or Hell) was not found written in the Book of Life they will experience the second death, the lake of fire.
I will quote you here
You mentioned death, burial place and evil doers. You replace Hades in the bible with "burial place". Typical JW doctrine.

Guy if i start asking you questions now you will run away the only thing in the book of Revelations that you can argue over is the lake of Fire so keep what you know and preach it to whoever is willing to listen to you.

CaptainJune:

Ask yourself. If a righteous soul, according to you is immaterial and cannot feel sensations of burn, can feel pleasure and can laugh and enjoy paradise, why is it complex to understand that an unrighteous soul can feel pain, torment?

A soul is a living being with all body functions!

That's why God's word says:

Soul will die!

There is hell and there is the lake of fire.

If hell is so terrible, how much more the lake of fire??

God have mercy. This is why missionaries of old risked their lives to to take the gospel to uncivilized areas.

judedwriter:

There is hell and there is the lake of fire.

If hell is so terrible, how much more the lake of fire??

God have mercy. This is why missionaries of old risked their lives to to take the gospel to uncivilized areas.

All dead people go to Hell it's simply means Grave where all dead people go!

MaxInDHouse:


All dead people go to Hell it's simply means Grave where all dead people go!

There is a big difference between the grave and hell.

In hell, people's souls are imprisoned in the center of the earth in flaming pits and with tormenting demons.

judedwriter:

There is a big difference between the grave and hell. In hell, people's souls are imprisoned in the center of the earth in flaming pits and with tormenting demons.

Instead of following what pastors say why not make your own research and find out what the word translated "Hell" really means?

There is nothing like hell.

mysticwarrior:

There is nothing like hell.

There is but it simply means the grave.

The delusion of wicked religionists anticipating to see their enemies suffer for hurting them is what doesn't exist!

CaptainJune:


Ask yourself. If a righteous soul, according to you is immaterial and cannot feel sensations of burn, can feel pleasure and can laugh and enjoy paradise, why is it complex to understand that an unrighteous soul can feel pain, torment?

I never said anything about soul
Your soul is you
Material and immaterial
It should feel pain, joy whatever