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Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 5:50pm On Aug 05, 2014
jacksonite: Of course she is to expose it because the Bible says you can't light a lamp and hide it under your bed but rather set it on a stand to shine
Women's long hair is her natural God-given covering, so as to project only God's glory in christian public meeting,because otherwise she is projecting Man's glory.Likewise lack of hair covering for man in the physical reality implies that man doesn't need to cover himself as he projects God's glory.

This is the real meaning of 1Corinthians11:1-16,if you will read the passage carefully with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by tpia1: 9:08pm On Aug 05, 2014
Vin14:

Not wearing head covering is a sin,rather than mere cultural doctrine-read 1Corinthians11:1-16


Its not a sin dear.

That which cometh out of a man ( or woman)'s heart is what defileth him (or her).

If you are doing the one (covering hair) you should also not neglect the other ( your mind).

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Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 6:15am On Aug 06, 2014
tpia1:

Its not a sin dear.

That which cometh out of a man ( or woman)'s heart is what defileth him (or her).

If you are doing the one (covering hair) you should also not neglect the other ( your mind).

If you donot neglect your mind(sin in your heart/mind),then you will cover your head with long hair when you preach or do other christian ministry in the public,which scriptures command all women to follow in 1 Corinthians 11:1-15.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 5:48am On Aug 07, 2014
To understand the exact reason behind this regulation for women we must understand the meaning of what apostle Paul meant by Law in 1:Corinthians 14:34-”women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.”.Apostle Paul says “as the law also says” in this verse.So what is this Law?

Apostle Paul has called old testament scriptures as a whole as “law” in various other parts of new testament epistles which he has written.So we can conclude that the “Law”here also means the old testament scriptures.So were does the old testament scriptures say woman should not upsurp man’s authority?-Although old testament doesn’t directly say such a law,we can very well understand why old testament scriptures point that women should be in submission,which is what apostle Paul himself wrote in 1 Thimothy 2:9-13-15-(13)For Adam was formed first, then Eve. (14)And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. (15)But women will be kept safe through childbirth, if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.



It’s also important that we understand that by the phrase “women should be silent” in churches,women are forbidden only from holding authority position over men in churches like pastor/overseer/bishop/elder/leader which all point to the same office of the local church elders as given in 1Timothy3:1-7.



Every local church should be lead by one or more male leaders with both men and women helpers/deacons to help them(1Timothy3:8-13).There should be no authority over more than one local church,except for the supreme authority of Lord Jesus Christ.



Women are allowed to do all other public ministry in church like apostolic healing/miracle ministries,evangelization,teaching(both Men and women,but authoritarian teaching cannot be given to men),giving testimony,music ministry,prophesying.But while doing these ministries they must cover their head with their natural long hair/wig/ cloth/cap or any other thing that will symbolically cover her head, to show that she is in submission to God.(1 Corinthians 11:2-16).Full perfect covering is not essential as the head covering is only symbolic(1 Corinthians 11:10) to show that the women doing God’s ministry is doing it in submission to the Godly order of God-Christ-Man-Woman.

Why this covering required for women?-Answer is beacuse of the order of creation in which man is the head of woman and head of every man is Christ and head of Christ is God the Father-1 Corinthians11:3 and beacuse of this man is the glory of God(Christ),woman is the glory of man-1 Corinthians11:7,if woman who doesn’t cover her head(cover with her natural long hair/wig/ cloth/cap or any other thing that will symbolically cover her head, to show that she is in submission to God), while praying or prophesying in public it will cause doubt among angels(1 Corinthians 11:10-2/3rd of angels who obey God), for angels are servent spirits sent out to help those who are being saved(christians) and angels like to look into this salvation work of God-1 Peter1:12).

This is the meaning of scriptures from 1Corinthians11:1-16-The natural glorious state of Man is without covering(with short hair) which points to the supernatural/spiritual reality that man reflects glory of Lord Jesus Christ(glory of God) and therefore man doesn’t require a covering in front of God.

Likewise a woman’s natural glorious state is with a covering(her long hair) which points to the supernatural/spiritual reality that woman reflects the glory of man which is blocked/covered in the presence of God by her God-given natural long hair.If for some reason she doesn't have natural long hair she must cover her head with a wig/ cap/veil.Full perfect covering is not required as it’s meant to be a symbol of authority.For this reason and because of angels(angels are servent spirits of God,sent out to help those who are being saved and angels like to look into things of the church) women should have a symbol of authority on their heads in the form of a cap/veil covering-v.10
So every women who pray/prophesy(preach) without covering their head with their natural long hair/wig/veil/cap dishonor her head- husband,God and angels.It’s same as being shaven because dishonor in supernatural/spiritual points back to dishonor in the natural-which means women has to cut all her hair with scissors(shorn) or razor(shave)-v5,6.
Likewise everyman who bring dishonor in the spiritual by covering his head by cap/veil should also have long hairs,since dishonor in the spiritual ,points back to dishonor in the natural.

This covering for women is not needed while women is not projecting the glory of God to other people.That is only when a woman is doing public christian ministry which involves praying and prophesying she needs to be covered.Likewise when a man does public christian ministry involving prayer and prophesy he should not cover his head,for it’s same as having long hair in a man.At other times man can cover his head as he likes.

Only when women projects the glory of God (as in public praying/prophesying) she needs to block the glory of man projected by her , by covering it with her natural long hair/wig/ scarf or a cap.At other times she require only her natural long hair covering.

This is the meaning of scriptures from 1Corinthians11:1-16-The natural glorious state of Man is without covering(with short hair) which points to the supernatural/spiritual reality that man reflects glory of Lord Jesus Christ(glory of God) and therefore man doesn’t require a covering in front of God.



Obeying of this simple and seemingly unimportant commandment of God in 1Corinthians11:2-16,requiring women to cover their head while they pray or prophesy publically,is the key to Christian revival all across the world.

Another important verse that we must understand is Genesis3:15.After Adam and Eve sinned,God cursed the serpent first in Genesis3:15- And I will put enmity

between you and the woman,

and between your offspring[a] and hers;

he will crush[b] your head,

and you will strike his heel.”

Why is this verse important?Because this verse encompass the divine plan of salvation of all mankind.Wrong interpretation of this verse will lead to destruction and wrong interpretation of this verse has led to rise of feminism and sexual immorality.The“Woman” in this verse apply only to Eve.And her offsprings are all those who are led by the spirit of God,as Eve is the mother of all who are alive(spiritually).



Church has misinterpreted this verse saying “woman” in this verse applies to Israel/church or even all women etc.These misinterpretations have been guided by enemies of Jesus(like Jesuits),inorder to feminize christianity and make it impotent.When this verse is applied to Israel,church or to all women it gives the false impression that holy spirit(God’s spirit) is some sort of feminizing spirit,and this will ultimately lead to sexual immorality, decline of church(protestantism) as it is now happening in churches that have embraced this wrong interpretation of Genesis3:15.



Holy Spirit is neither male or female.Holy Spirit makes a man a better man and woman a better woman.If we consider God/Holy Spirit to be male/female we will end up in a sexually degenerate society,because if men are filled with a feminine/feminizing spirit it will lead them to be sexual perverts/homosexuals etc.Same is the effect if women are led by a masculine/masculinizing spirit.God is neither male or female,he is above all,he is the one who created mankind as male/female.Such false interpretations are guided by evil spirits(which include Satan and 1/3rd fallen angels,who follow Satan), in order to lead christians to sexual perversions and thus cause decline/destruction of christianity.



Here(in genesis3:15) Eve is the Woman and Jesus is the offspring of Woman.Mary by the divine power of God gave birth to Jesus,not by sexual intercourse.Here we should not confuse Mary to be the “woman”.”Woman” in this verse-genesis3:15,refers only to Eve,her offsprings include all those who are born of the spirit which include Abel,Mary all believers and ultimately Jesus Christ who is God himself.



Serpent’s offspring is all those who are led by satan and the 1/3rd fallen angels with him and ultimately satan’s offspring is antichrist/beast whose head was crushed by Jesus,when Jesus died on the cross about 2000 years ago.This will be revealed after the rapture of church when beast/antichrist will be revealed-Rev13:3-”One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.”

“Heel” of Jesus was stricken at the cross by Roman soldiers guided by Satan.

In Genesis 3:20 scriptures say-Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all those who are alive(“Eve means mother of all those who are alive”).



The “living” here implies spiritually alive .Why ?-Because God knew both Adam and Eve will repent about their rebellion/sin at the Eden garden(of eating the forbidden fruit) and come back to him in repentence,thus becoming spiritually “alive”.



Thus Eve repented later and became spiritually alive and is thus the mother of all those who are spiritually alive,that is all those who have repented of their sins-scriptures make it clear all of mankind is sinfull through Adamic sin at the garden by eating the forbiddenfruit.Then why Adam is not called “father of all those who are spiritually alive”-because that position-”father of all those who are alive spiritually” is reserved for God only.



Another question that arises in this context is if God’s curse on Adam and Eve as revealed in Genesis 3:16-19,is obviously transferred to later generations ,then why this Genesis 3:15 prophesy on “woman” not transferred to all woman and all her offsprings?-the answer is Genesis3:14-15 is God’s curse on the serpent.In Genesis 3:14, God curses the physical snake/serpent because it allowed Satan to indwell and decieve Adam and Eve.In Genesis 3:15 ,God is making a prophetic statement/curse on the spiritual serpent-Satan/Heylel himself.



So when Genesis3:14 curse is transferred to all later generations of snake/serpents born on earth,the Genesis 3:15 goes beyond the physical into the spiritual realm to curse Satan himself by prophesying his eternal doom and so is not transferred physically but rather works in the spiritual realm.

So Genesis 3:15 is a spiritual prophecy,which says the woman-Eve and her offspring-which include all those who are born of the Holy Spirit of God/spiritually alive and which ultimately includes Lord Jesus Christ himself,who was born in the womb of the blessed virgin Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit, will be enemies of Satan and his offsprings-which include all those who are spiritually dead/led by unholy evil spirits of satan and 1/3rd fallen angels with him and which ultimately include the beast/antichrist who will be revealed after the rapture of the church in the great tribulation period.

And that woman’s offspring which ultimately is Lord Jesus Christ, will crush the head of Satan’s offspring which is ultimately the beast/antichrist-Revelation13:3 reveals this deadly wound which Lord Jesus Christ made on the head of Satan through his death on the calvary cross for the sins of all mankind while Satan/ Beast could only strike at the heal of Lord Jesus Christ which is symbolized by the nails that pierced the feet of Lord Jesus Christ when he was crucified on the cross at calvary ,shedding his precious sinless blood ,for the salvation of all mankind,so that all who accept with faith this salvation work of God through his only begotten son (begotten-by being born in the womb of Mary by the power of Holy Spirit) shall have eternal life and can become sons of God.

Jesus calls Abel(son of Adam unjustly killed by his brother Cain) the first among the prophets(spiritually alive) in Luke11:50-51- Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.-Jesus was speaking of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and scattering of Jews around the world which was fulfilled by Roman armies under emperor Titus in AD70.



In John 8:44 Jesus reveals who are the sons of Satan-You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.Notice that Jesus spoke that Satan was a murderer from the beginning.Jesus meant the murdering of Abel by Cain,the first murder in mankind.



Thus we see Abel was the son of Eve,so is everybody who is spiritually alive,led by the holyspirit.We also see Cain was the son of Satan as are all who are led by the satanic evil spirit(s).Cain may have repented later,but scriptures is silent about it.Scriptures clearly say Cain allowed Satanic spirits to control him when he killed his brother Abel.(1John3:12-Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous).



So now we can clearly understand the meaning of genesis 3:15 and thus exact reason for regulation on women by Lord Jesus through Apostle Paul-Eve and Satan will be enemies.So will be the offspring of Eve -the mother of all the living-those who are spiritually alive and the offspring of Satan-those who are spiritually dead will be enemies.This enemity culminated in the crucifixion of Jesus some 2000 years ago.By dying on the cross shedding his pure blood for the sins of all mankind Jesus crushed the head of Satan.In return Satan could only strike at the heel of Jesus which is represented by nails that pierced the heels of Jesus on the cross.


So now there is salvation for all those who believe in the work of Jesus.

Jesus rose from the dead ,3 days and 3 nights after he was crucified and is today seated at the right side of his father in heaven-God Almighty.This is the Good News/Gospel for salvation of all mankind.Those who reject this Good news will end up in eternal hell fire and those who accept this Good news will have eternal life(2Thessalonians 1:8-9- He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.1John3-14-15- Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him).
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 5:51am On Aug 07, 2014
Why this covering required for women?-Answer is beacuse of the order of creation in which man is the head of woman and head of every man is Christ and head of Christ is God the Father-1 Corinthians11:3 and beacuse of this man is the glory of God(Christ),woman is the glory of man-1 Corinthians11:7,if woman who doesn’t cover her head with her natural long hair,or with a cloth/cap/wig if she donot has natural long hair,inorder to show that she is in submission to God, while praying or prophesying in public it will cause doubt among angels(1 Corinthians 11:10-2/3rd of angels who obey God), for angels are servent spirits sent out to help those who are being saved(christians) and angels like to look into this salvation work of God-1 Peter1:12).

This is the meaning of scriptures from 1Corinthians11:1-16-The natural glorious state of Man is without covering(with short hair) which points to the supernatural/spiritual reality that man reflects glory of Lord Jesus Christ(glory of God) and therefore man doesn’t require a covering in front of God.

Likewise a woman’s natural glorious state is with a covering(her natural long hair) which points to the spiritual/supernatural reality that women need to covered in the presence of God's glory,and that is why God gave her natural long hair which blocks the glory of man in the presence of God.Full perfect covering is not required as it’s meant to be a symbol of authority.For this reason and because of angels(angels are servent spirits of God,sent out to help those who are being saved and angels like to look into things of the church) women should have a symbol of authority on their heads in the form of her natural long hair(or a wig/cap/veil if she do not have natural long hair) covering-v.10
So every women who pray/prophesy(preach) without covering their head with natural long hair dishonor her head- husband,God and angels.It’s same as being shaven or shorn because her long hair is given by God for covering the glory of man.
Likewise everyman who cover his head by cap/veil /long hairs, dishonor God ,by not allowing his glory to shine through him.

This covering for women is not needed while women is not projecting the glory of God to other people.That is only when a woman is doing public christian ministry which involves praying and prophesying she needs to be covered.Likewise when a man does public christian ministry involving prayer and prophesy he should not cover his head,for it’s same as having long hair in a man.At other times man can cover his head as he likes.

Only when women projects the glory of God (as in public praying/prophesying) she needs to block the glory of man projected by her , by covering it with natural long hair/wig/ scarf/cap.At other times she do not require covering and can put up her as she likes.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 5:56am On Aug 07, 2014
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 11:40am On Sep 10, 2014
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I'm so not into this, but anyways, (let's push it). So, you're saying the married woman uses her hair to cover her husband. Okay. Is the man's hair not covering Christ, from your understanding/explanation of the passage? Also, if the woman's hair is her glory as well(as written in the passage), is she supposed to 'expose' that glory or cover it?

She should not cover over the natural long hair covering given to her by God.This natural long hair covering is given to block the man's glory her body projects,when in the presence of God. (1Corinthians11:1-16).

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Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 11:13am On Sep 12, 2014
booqee: Do u know it is not a sin for a woman to go to church without covering her hair?
You don't necessarily have to cover ur hair with scarf, cap, or anything. Why? Because d hair on our head is the covering for our head. It may now become a sin if then u come with a shaved hair to d presence of God. Our hair has been given to us by God as our covering. It is also a glory from God to us. So why need to cover God's glory on us? (Though its no sin to cover it with scarf, its just not necessary or compulsory)
Now check it out.
Open your bible and read 1st corinthians 11 vs 3-16. Go back and read vs 14 and 15 again, especially vs15.

Vs 15 says "but if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her, for her hair is given her for a covering" (KJV)

God bless you "booqee" for bringing this up.Long hair is indeed the natural covering God has provided for women.No extra covering over God given long hair is needed.This practice of extra covering on hair with veil,cap etc. came from pseudo-holy paganistic teachings that entered the church in dark ages.

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Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by BodyKiss(m): 1:33pm On Sep 12, 2014
Stop living according to what your bible equates to sin or not. People should think and act accordingly. Morality is independent of theology.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by asalimpo(m): 2:58pm On Sep 12, 2014
Joagbaje:
It's a marital issue. Firstly , "Woman" refers to married women. The covering of the face in public was a sign of the authority of the husband. it is equivalent to wearing wedding ring in public.
wow! Then only when a woman is married shud her strt growg.
Mr. Man stop twistg scriptures.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by iamodenigbo1(m): 3:41pm On Sep 12, 2014
[quote author=myfab]I think we have all had problems understanding Paul's words in 1COR
11:1-16, and that is evident in the number of differing church
doctrines and writings. Part of the problem of understanding, I
believe, is in the use and understanding of the word `head' because
it has more than one meaning in these verses. One meaning being the
head on which the hair grows, and the other meaning, cardinal, chief,
or foremost. So what is the truth, what does God's bible the KJV
really say ?

We must first of all understand that Paul was writing to the church
at Corinth and before you say, that's obvious, I think we should
try to understand all that that entails, the history, the religion,
and especially the culture. If one was reading a letter from a pen-
pal in India one would need to grasp the conditions under which he or
she lived to better understand what was being said. So when we read
any book of the bible, because it refers to churches in other
countries, we should first try to understand the things pertaining
to that country, during that time period, before we make statements,
or judgements, or jump to conclusions.

In order to comprehend why Paul needed to answer this question
for the Corinthian Church of God, which held their meetings in
members houses, as to whether a woman should cover her head or not,
we should all know that Corinth was a pagan city, the capital of the
Roman province Achaia, and was the most important city in Greece
during Roman times. The Corinthians worshipped Aphrodite the pagan
goddess of love, beauty, and fertility, and in the temple dedicated
to her worship over 1,000 slave-priestesses, known as sacred prostit-
utes, served. During their worship, if they were prophesying, they
let their hair hang down loosely round their shoulders.

The city of Corinth had a population of over 700,000 who were mainly
given to self indulgence, and vice. The morals of the Corinthians
were very bad, corrupt even when compared to pagan Rome. It was the
custom throughout the region to shave the heads of female slaves and
also women who were guilty of fornication or adultery. The sign of
marriage in that day was the wearing of a veil or distinctive hair
style, as a wedding ring is in our society today.

Obviously the emerging Christian church had it's problems just as the
Israelites had when they left Egypt, learning new things but
remembering the old. One can imagine how hard it must have been for
Paul to establish a Christian church there, he also had opposition
from some of the resident Jews.

So let's examine what Paul says in 1COR 11:1-16 and then reply.

In his 1st Letter to the Corinthians he advises, guides, and replies
to a number of questions and then in chapter 11 writes, obviously in
reply to a question asked, about whether a woman should cover her
head in church. THAT IS - IN THE CHURCH AT CORINTH.

He replies:-
1CO 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also {am} of Christ. (KJV)
1CO 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all
things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered {them} to you. (KJV)
1CO 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman {is} the man; and the head of
Christ {is} God. (KJV)
PAUL IS SAYING HERE THAT CHRIST IS THE CHIEF OR FOREMOST OF EVERY MAN
AND WOMAN, AND MAN IS THE CHIEF OR FOREMOST OF THE WOMAN, AND GOD IS
THE CHIEF OR FOREMOST OF CHRIST.

1CO 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having {his} head covered,
dishonoureth his head. (KJV)
EVERY MAN HAVING HIS ACTUAL HEAD COVERED, DISHONOURETH CHRIST.
1CO 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with {her} head
uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she
were shaven. (KJV)
SOME MARRIED WOMEN IN THE CHURCH WERE OBVIOUSLY REMEMBERING AND
COPYING WHAT THE TEMPLE-SLAVES DID, AND WERE UNCOVERING THEIR HEADS
AND LETTING THEIR HAIR DOWN. IN DOING THIS THEY DISHONOURED THEIR
HEAD, THEIR HUSBANDS. UNCOVERING THEIR HEADS WAS THE SAME AS HAVING
THEIR HEADS SHAVED.

1CO 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but
if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be
covered. (KJV)
IF THE WOMAN IS NOT VEILED THEN LET HER BE SHAVED. BUT IF IT SHAMES
HER THEN LET HER BE COVERED, VEILED.

1CO 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover {his} head, forasmuch as
he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the
man. (KJV)
1CO 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
(KJV)
1CO 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for
the man. (KJV)
1CO 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on {her} head
because of the angels. (KJV)
THE WOMAN OUGHT TO HAVE POWER, A VEIL, ON HER HEAD TO SHOW THE ANGELS
WHO WATCH OVER US THAT SHE RESPECTS AND SUBMITS TO HER HUSBAND AND
THEREFORE TO CHRIST.

1CO 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither
the woman without the man, in the Lord. (KJV)
1CO 11:12 For as the woman {is} of the man, even so {is} the man also
by the woman; but all things of God. (KJV)
NEVERTHELESS BOTH SHOULD LOVE AND RESPECT EACH OTHER.

1CO 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto
God uncovered? (KJV)
PAUL IS ASKING THE CORINTHIANS, BECAUSE OF YOUR CUSTOM OF MARRIED
WOMEN WEARING THEIR HAIR IN A CERTAIN FASHION AND/OR WEARING A VEIL
AT ALL TIMES, TO SHOW THEIR SUBMISSION TO THEIR HUSBANDS, IS IT RIGHT
THAT THEY SHOULD LET THEIR HAIR HANG DOWN LOOSELY WHEN PROPHESYING
BEFORE GOD IN CHURCH ?

1CO 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have
long hair, it is a shame unto him? (KJV)
BECAUSE HE WILL LOOK LIKE A WOMAN.

1CO 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for
{her} hair is given her for a covering. (KJV)
PAUL IS SAYING HERE THAT THE LONG HAIR OF A WOMAN IS NATURAL EVIDENCE
OF HER WOMANLY POSITION UNDER MAN, INSTEAD OF A VEIL.

1CO 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such
custom, neither the churches of God. (KJV)
BUT IF ANY MAN IN THE CORINTHIAN CHURCH WANTS TO ARGUE OVER THE ISSUE
AND WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, PAUL SAYS, "WE HAVE NO SUCH CUSTOM, NEITHER
THE CHURCHES OF GOD." HE IS SAYING, WE OF OURSELVES HAVE NO SUCH
CUSTOM AND NEITHER DO THE CHURCHES OF GOD.

I think it should now be plain to all what Paul was saying in 1COR
11:1-16.

He starts out by telling us the order of things under Almighty God in
relation to humans. GOD is first with Christ under Him then man under
both God the Father and Christ and finally woman is under man. The
bible states quite clearly, woman was made for man, man was not made
for woman. That does not mean woman is less than man, because God
once again says in EPH 5:24-28, both should respect each other. It
simply means that there is an order with God and man, just as there
is an order in the animal world. ALL BY DESIGN.

EPH 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so {let} the
wives {be} to their own husbands in every thing. (KJV)
EPH 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the
church, and gave himself for it; (KJV)
EPH 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of
water by the word, (KJV)
EPH 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not
having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be
holy and without blemish. (KJV)
EPH 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He
that loveth his wife loveth himself. (KJV)

Paul then says, if a man prays with his head covered he dishonours
Christ, who is his head, or who is head over him.

In that region during that time period the heads of slave women were
shaved, and also the heads of any women found guilty of fornication,
and adultery. It was also the custom of the slave-priestesses who
worshipped Aphrodite to take off their veils and let their hair hang
down when prophesying in the temple. On the other hand because it was
the custom for married women to wear veils or to wear their hair in
a particular fashion to show they were married, Paul advised it was
wrong for the Corinthian women to take off their veils and let down
their hair when praying or prophesying in church as it gave the wrong
impression, and dishonoured their husbands and therefore Christ.

The bible says a woman's long hair is in itself a covering given by
God so there is no need for any other covering.

Paul ends this discourse by saying if anyone disagreed with his
appraisal of that situation, in the Corinthian church, then they
should know that neither he (and his companions) nor the Church of
God had such a custom.

SO QUITE CLEARLY THERE IS NO RULING IN THE BIBLE WHICH SAYS ALL WOMEN
SHOULD COVER THEIR HEADS IN CHURCH.[/quote)you got it absolutely right
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Nobody: 8:52pm On Sep 12, 2014
booqee:
even if i were to analyse with vs 1-14:
it says christ is head over man, and so if he covers his head, he dishonors christ, the man is head over d woman, but if she does not cover her head, she dishonors her husband. In other words, a single lady like me who is not married MAY NOT cover her head, because she's got no husband to dishonor, and so therefore she has not committed any sin.
~and even dis 'uncovered hair' i've been mentioning implies a shaven head, so A married woman cannot shave head hair.
~to know dat d hair is d covering, and the uncovered head is d shaven one, vs 6 says if a woman would not have her covered(doesn't want to have hairs on her head), she should shave it, but because shaving it is a shame then she should leave it and have her head covered(with her hair).
~and yet, i believe all this law still only applies to d married women, as woman used here means 'a married woman' just like joagbaje said.
Emphasis on the bolded. So a single man like me can PM you huh?
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Image123(m): 4:12pm On Sep 15, 2014
Vin14:

She should not cover over the natural long hair covering given to her by God.This natural long hair covering is given to block the man's glory her body projects,when in the presence of God. (1Corinthians11:1-16).

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1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.


Your interpretation suggests that natural long hair is her covering. In that case, the above verses read as follows below.

"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered BY NATURAL LONG HAIR dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven(HAS NO NATURAL LONG HAIR).
For if the woman be not covered WITH LONG NATURAL HAIR, let her also be shorn(WITHOUT LONG NATURAL HAIR) : but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven(WITHOUT NATURAL LONG HAIR), let her be covered(WITH NATURAL LONG HAIR). "


The green above is what you are saying and giving as interpretation, please correct me if that is wrong. It makes very little sense if any in my humble opinion.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by tpia1: 4:35pm On Sep 15, 2014
but if it be a shame

this shows context.




most of the verses discussing these things, are in the context of the presence of both genders in the church, eg:


I Timothy 2

12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man she must be quiet.

13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

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Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by August17(m): 4:51pm On Sep 15, 2014
booqee: Do u know it is not a sin for a woman to go to church without covering her hair?
You don't necessarily have to cover ur hair with scarf, cap, or anything. Why? Because d hair on our head is the covering for our head. It may now become a sin if then u come with a shaved hair to d presence of God. Our hair has been given to us by God as our covering. It is also a glory from God to us. So why need to cover God's glory on us? (Though its no sin to cover it with scarf, its just not necessary or compulsory)
Now check it out.
Open your bible and read 1st corinthians 11 vs 3-16. Go back and read vs 14 and 15 again, especially vs15.

Vs 15 says "but if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her, for her hair is given her for a covering" (KJV)
I don't really understand the point you are interpreting it from. So I guess you didn't read 1 cor11vs5 and 6... The bible is not a novel... Study to show yourself approved.... #Kpakam
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 12:46pm On Sep 16, 2014
BodyKiss: Stop living according to what your bible equates to sin or not. People should think and act accordingly. Morality is independent of theology.

Common sense will lead you to scriptures because of it's clarity of teachings and prophetic fulfillments.1000's of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled till date according to secular historic data,Jesus himself fulfilled more than 300 messianic prophecies,thus proving he is the Christ ,1000's of miracle healings happen throughout the world , few of which gets reported in christian media,is all open for verification and certified credible by many.To see and verify some of these fulfilled prophecies visit-http://yah12..in/

Lord Jesus said in Mathew 7:12-So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.-That is the clarity of teaching of God.

God bless you.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 1:04pm On Sep 16, 2014
Image123:

1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.


Your interpretation suggests that natural long hair is her covering. In that case, the above verses read as follows below.

"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered BY NATURAL LONG HAIR dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven(HAS NO NATURAL LONG HAIR).
For if the woman be not covered WITH LONG NATURAL HAIR, let her also be shorn(WITHOUT LONG NATURAL HAIR) : but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven(WITHOUT NATURAL LONG HAIR), let her be covered(WITH NATURAL LONG HAIR). "


The green above is what you are saying and giving as interpretation, please correct me if that is wrong. It makes very little sense if any in my humble opinion.

No,it makes perfect sense.1 Corinthians 11:5,6 says 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Shorn means to cut closely with scissors -it's akin to being shaven .That is why Apostle Paul says to "shave or shorn" as synonyms.The very purpose why God gave long hair to women, is for sexual differentiation which is the meaning of "covering".If women cut that long hair to resemble men's short hair ,then there is no need for hair on a women's head.So that is what Apostle was saying here.Women should not try to cut their hair short to resemble men,because their long hair is given as a covering over their body which project man's glory which is also the symbol of authority on womens head because it clearly differentiate between man and a woman from an angelic point of view-1 Corinthians 11:10.Now if for some reason (cancer chemo/radio therapy or other disease) a woman donot have natural long hair,then she should cover her head with a cloth/cap.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 1:06pm On Sep 16, 2014
August17: I don't really understand the point you are interpreting it from. So I guess you didn't read 1 cor11vs5 and 6... The bible is not a novel... Study to show yourself approved.... #Kpakam

1 Corinthians 11:5,6 says 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Shorn means to cut closely with scissors -it's akin to being shaven .That is why Apostle Paul says to "shave or shorn" as synonyms.The very purpose why God gave long hair to women, is for intimate differentiation which is the meaning of "covering".If women cut that long hair to resemble men's short hair ,then there is no need for hair on a women's head.So that is what Apostle was saying here.Women should not try to cut their hair short to resemble men,because their long hair is given as a covering over their body which project man's glory which is also the symbol of authority on womens head because it clearly differentiate between man and a woman from an angelic point of view-1 Corinthians 11:10.Now if for some reason (cancer chemo/radio therapy or other disease) a woman donot have natural long hair,then she should cover her head with a cloth/cap.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 1:12pm On Sep 16, 2014
tpia1:

this shows context.




most of the verses discussing these things, are in the context of the presence of both genders in the church, eg:


I Timothy 2












No,you are not correct.It always a shame for women not to have their natural long hair ,irrespective of time or culture.That is why 1 Corinthians 11:15 says it's a shame for women not to have their natural long hair because it's given as a covering to block the glory of man that women project.Likewise it's shameful for a man to have long hair because man doesn't need a covering because he project the glory of God.This sexual differentiation between man and woman with regards to their natural short and long hairs respectively is the basis of 1 Corinthians 11:1-16.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Image123(m): 1:16pm On Sep 16, 2014
Vin14:

No,it makes perfect sense.1 Corinthians 11:5,6 says 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Shorn means to cut closely with scissors -it's akin to being shaven .That is why Apostle Paul says to "shave or shorn" as synonyms.The very purpose why God gave long hair to women, is for sexual differentiation which is the meaning of "covering".If women cut that long hair to resemble men's short hair ,then there is no need for hair on a women's head.So that is what Apostle was saying here.Women should not try to cut their hair short to resemble men,because their long hair is given as a covering over their body which project man's glory which is also the symbol of authority on womens head because it clearly differentiate between man and a woman from an angelic point of view-1 Corinthians 11:10.Now if for some reason (cancer chemo/radio therapy or other disease) a woman donot have natural long hair,then she should cover her head with a cloth/cap.


It makes it a ridiculous repetition which is very unlike Paul. What is the meaning of "If a woman will not have long hair, let her have short hair. If it is a shame for a woman to have short hair, let her have long hair." That is called rambling and Paul didn't ramble bro. Also, the passage says the hair is given her FOR a covering. You say the hair is given her AS a covering. Correlate that.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 2:20pm On Sep 16, 2014
Image123:

It makes it a ridiculous repetition which is very unlike Paul. What is the meaning of "If a woman will not have long hair, let her have short hair. If it is a shame for a woman to have short hair, let her have long hair." That is called rambling and Paul didn't ramble bro. Also, the passage says the hair is given her FOR a covering. You say the hair is given her AS a covering. Correlate that.

This is not a ramble.You didn't see my reply.Shorn= cutting all hairs with scissors=Shaven=shaving all hair with razor.

In 1Corinthians11:5-Apostle says- But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head,it is the same as having her head shaved.In the next verse he says-For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.So it becomes clear that to be "shorn" is v.6 is synonymous with "shaven" in v.5.So the meaning of shorn in this context is to cut all hair with scissors.If the women want to twist the God given purpose of their natural long hair to cut and resemble male hair pattern,then it's better to cut off or shave off all hair on their head.

Also 1 Corinthians 11:15- But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her "for" a covering.-KJV,while NIV and certain other translations has it as "as",these same newer translations also have "cut off" instead of the original "shorn" .Thus it's clear that these newer inaccurate translations like NIV are the source of confusion to people like you.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 2:26pm On Sep 16, 2014
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Paul ends the passage by saying-1 Corinthians 11:16-If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice--nor do the churches of God.He doesn't say "we have no such practice" but "we have no other practice" and it's not a matter of debate for it's a universal rule in all God's churches.

Please do not twist God's word and mislead people.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Image123(m): 2:36pm On Sep 16, 2014
Vin14:

This is not a ramble.You didn't see my reply.Shorn= cutting all hairs with scissors=Shaven=shaving all hair with razor.

In 1Corinthians11:5-Apostle says- But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head,it is the same as having her head shaved.In the next verse he says-For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.So it becomes clear that to be "shorn" is v.6 is synonymous with "shaven" in v.5.So the meaning of shorn in this context is to cut all hair with scissors.If the women want to twist the God given purpose of their natural long hair to cut and resemble male hair pattern,then it's better to cut off or shave off all hair on their head.


i'm not about shorn or shave. i'm about long hair short hair. They hardly have anything hinting them as cover.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Image123(m): 2:39pm On Sep 16, 2014
Vin14:

Paul ends the passage by saying-1 Corinthians 11:16-If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice--nor do the churches of God.He doesn't say "we have no such practice" but "we have no other practice" and it's not a matter of debate for it's a universal rule in all God's churches.

Please do not twist God's word and mislead people.

Sorry, the greek word used was 'toyootos' and it means such as this, of this kind or sort. That means the church is not contentious.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 2:42pm On Sep 16, 2014
Image123:

i'm not about shorn or shave. i'm about long hair short hair. They hardly have anything hinting them as cover.

Now you are evading from the point.What explanation have you got to say "shorn" doesn't mean to cut all hair with scissors in this context?
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 2:45pm On Sep 16, 2014
Image123:

Sorry, the greek word used was 'toyootos' and it means such as this, of this kind or sort. That means the church is not contentious.

Please think with logic/common sense/guidance of Holy Spirit of God,will Apostle Paul say this much anf in final verse say we have no such practice? It doesn't make sense.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Image123(m): 2:54pm On Sep 16, 2014
Vin14:

Now you are evading from the point.What explanation have you got to say "shorn" doesn't mean to cut all hair with scissors in this context?

That's the very point. i'm not here to talk about getting shorn or shaved, i'm not a barber, lol. My point is that the hair is given the woman FOR a covering. You are saying it is given her AS a covering.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Image123(m): 2:59pm On Sep 16, 2014
Vin14:

Please think with logic/common sense/guidance of Holy Spirit of God,will Apostle Paul say this much anf in final verse say we have no such practice? It doesn't make sense.

Makes perfect sense. The church of God has no such practice of being contentious. Romans 2:8
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 3:03pm On Sep 16, 2014
Image123:

That's the very point. i'm not here to talk about getting shorn or shaved, i'm not a barber, lol. My point is that the hair is given the woman FOR a covering. You are saying it is given her AS a covering.

You donot need to be a "barber" to understand the meaning of the word "shorn" with regard to this context.

Please read it again, KJV and older accurate translations say that the hair is given the woman FOR a covering. You are saying it is given her AS a covering.Do not contradict and twist yourself.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 3:15pm On Sep 16, 2014
Image123:

Makes perfect sense. The church of God has no such practice of being contentious. Romans 2:8

Paul ends the passage by saying-1 Corinthians 11:16-If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice--nor do the churches of God-Which means this head covering with natural long hair for women,and no unnatural long hair for men is a practice that is followed by all God's Church and there is no point in debating about it for it's inspired by God.

1 Corinthians 11:16 is written exactly to people like you who want to introduce the pagan practice of extra head covering over women's long hair -that such an extra head covering with cloth is not necessary over the natural god given long hair covering.So stop arguing unnecessarily for it's practiced by all God's Churches.

Romans 2:8 is God's warning to people like you who try to twist God's eternal words for their foolish selfish temporary desires.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Image123(m): 3:36pm On Sep 16, 2014
Vin14:

Shorn means to cut closely with scissors -it's akin to being shaven .That is why Apostle Paul says to "shave or shorn" as synonyms.The very purpose why God gave long hair to women, is for intimate differentiation which is the meaning of "covering".If women cut that long hair to resemble men's short hair ,then there is no need for hair on a women's head.So that is what Apostle was saying here.Women should not try to cut their hair short to resemble men,because their long hair is given as a covering over their body which project man's glory which is also the symbol of authority on womens head because it clearly differentiate between man and a woman from an angelic point of view-1 Corinthians 11:10.Now if for some reason (cancer chemo/radio therapy or other disease) a woman donot have natural long hair,then she should cover her head with a cloth/cap.

You said AS in the bold, why are you blatantly denying that? i have no further things to say to you regarding this.
Re: The Bible Justified It That A Women Can Go To Church With Her Hair Uncovered! by Vin14(m): 4:01pm On Sep 16, 2014
Image123:

You said AS in the bold, why are you blatantly denying that? i have no further things to say to you regarding this.

Yes,i said that and i never denied it.What i is said is that , i actually meant it as "for" as in the original accurate versions like KJV.So it becomes clear that you are accusing vainly by twisting my subsequent correction of "as" as "for".

So it becomes clear that you only want to accuse vainly and try to win the argument regardless of the real merit of your argument.So i say again, stop trying to twist the eternal scriptures for your selfish temporary gains.

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