Amayabor1:


Ignorant Buffon. Let me lecture you a little;

1. Ukraine, as a sovereign nation has the right to decide to join ANY association they deem fit. That is why they are a sovereign nation. The decision whether or whether not to join Nato is a decision only Ukrainians can take and no Nation on earth has the right to attack another country because the country desires to join an association.

2. Why didn't Russia attack Sweden and Finland when they made their plans to join Nato? Sweden has joined Nato. Finland joined Nato few days ago. Why didn't Russia attack these countries?. The ignorant fool doesn't even know that Nato already has military bases close to Russia. Poland, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania all share boarders with Russia and they are all Nato members.

Before Finland joined NATO, NATO had land borders with Russia that spanned 754 miles across northern Norway, eastern Latvia and Estonia, and the borders with Poland and Lithuania around Russia's Kaliningrad region.

Finland joining adds 830 miles of continuous border along northwestern Russia, taking the total to 1,584 miles. So, how did Russia invading ukraine prevent other countries from joining Nato? Nato is now in Russia's backyard like never before. Cry me a river! 😅😅😅

When the biggest brainless Buffon is calling someone else the name that rightly belongs to him, it is a proof of his stewpeed ego and dumb ignorance at full display. All you typed above is nonsense because you are not in any position to tell Russia whom to attack or what to do in the attempt to defend its Sovereignty.
You're nothing but a baboon pointing and laughing at the bald head of a vulture whereas your own ass is bald. Yeye fowl

reiddecuti:
E be like say e don dey dawn on the Ukrainian supporters say Ukraine is already in the lose.

But their agbado supporters over here says others so far as free grains are coming in to Nigeria from Ukraine to justify their Master's failures.

a lot us lost their lives

tctrills:

You don't get the irony here. Now same Russia is going to war because Ukraine wants to join NATO.
It seems it's Russia that's looking for enemies. Anyway, have a great day.

Same thing happened with the Cuba missile crisis. If USA could not allow Cuba then, why should Russia allow Ukraine now?

Amayabor1:


Yes. They pulled out Cuba because the US was ready for a nuclear war with USSR. They became scared. Even when the US discovered USSR weapons in Cuba, the US didn't invade Cuba.


But Russia didn't find any US/Nato weapons in Ukraine but they went ahead to invade Ukraine.

Can't you see that both scenarios aren't the same.

They are the same. USA was ready to go to war with Cuba if the USSR didn't pull out of the deal, why can't USA pull out of Ukraine for same reason?

Jovi10:



And the azov battalion was doing what to the Russians in the donbass region? Giving them pats on the back I guess . Even USA then named azov as a terrorist groups with nazi ideology, when Russia came in, same USA saw azov as freedom fighters. dey play your hear

Your timeline is incorrect. The Azov battalion was formed as a result of Russia sending non-uniformed personnel to start rebellions in Eastern Ukraine. If Russia had not launched false flag operations in Eastern Ukraine, Azov would never have existed.

tctrills:

Let's go back to your point. You believe because the British used men from their colony over 80 years ago hence going forward, they must need help in every and any war they engage in?
We don't think the same way.
As of the war in Afghan, the US actualized all they initially set out to do but for some reason, they chose to overstay.

and the Talibans took over so what did they actualised

TonySpike:


Your timeline is incorrect. The Azov battalion was formed as a result of Russia sending non-uniformed personnel to start rebellions in Eastern Ukraine. If Russia had not launched false flag operations in Eastern Ukraine, Azov would never have existed.

Lmao same azov that was a combination of the ultra-nationalist Patriot of Ukraine gang, and the neo-Nazi Social National Assembly (SNA) group.

Dey play you hear. Like I said before you know nothing about this war.

Jovi10:




They are the same. USA was ready to go to war with Cuba if the USSR didn't pull out of the deal, why can't USA pull out of Ukraine for same reason?

During the cuban Missile crisis, 2 options were tabled before President Kennedy;

1. Invade Cuba
2. Mount a naval blockade of Cuba.

He went with number 2. The US could have invaded Cuba and nothing would have happened. But they didn't.

Please, what do you mean by the US should pull out of Ukraine? I'm confused. Are US soldiers fighting in Ukraine?

Amayabor1:


During the cuban Missile crisis, 2 options were tabled before President Kennedy;

1. Invade Cuba
2. Mount a naval blockade of Cuba.

He went with number 2. The US could have invaded Cuba and nothing would have happened. But they didn't.

Please, what do you mean by the US should pull out of Ukraine? I'm confused. Are US soldiers fighting in Ukraine?

You're still running round in circles. USA was ready to go to war with Cuba if the alliance with USSR was not called off.

So why can't USA led NATO abandon their alliance with Ukraine same way the USSR did?

OyinO:


When the biggest brainless Buffon is calling someone else the name that rightly belongs to him, it is a proof of his stewpeed ego and dumb ignorance at full display. All you typed above is nonsense because you are not in any position to tell Russia whom to attack or what to do in the attempt to defend its Sovereignty.
You're nothing but a baboon pointing and laughing at the bald head of a vulture whereas your own ass is bald. Yeye fowl

Fact has been presented to him, and the ignorant dimwit couldn't respond intelligently.

Finland and Sweden announced months ago that they will be joining Nato. Both nations have finally joined Nato. Why didn't Russia attack Finland and Sweden to prevent them from joining Nato since they want to protect their sovereignty? Now, Nato's border with Russia has increased. Ode! 🤣🤣🤣.

I thought clowns like you said Russia will end the war in 2 weeks? Its been 2 years and counting. 🤣

Jovi10:



You're still running round in circles. USA was ready to go to war with Cuba if the alliance with USSR was not called off.

So why can't USA led NATO abandon their alliance with Ukraine same way the USSR did?

And you seem to be slow in understanding.

During the cuban Missile crisis, the fear of the US was what made the USSR to remove their missiles from Cuba.

Now, it's Ukraine's turn. Shouldn't the fear of Russia prevent the US from supplying weapons to ukraine? But no. The US still continues to supply weapons to ukriane while Russia continues to cry foul play. 🤣🤣. Russia now depends on countries like Iran and North Korea for weapons 😂😂

Let Russia intimidate the US to abandon Ukraine the same way the US intimidated USSR to abandon Cuba. Make them do am if e easy. 🥲

Amayabor1:


And you seem to be slow in understanding.

During the cuban Missile crisis, the fear of the US was what made the USSR to remove their missiles from Cuba.

Now, it's Ukraine's turn. Shouldn't the fear of Russia prevent the US from supplying weapons to ukraine? But no. The US still continues to supply weapons to ukriane while Russia continues to cry foul play. 🤣🤣. Russia now depends on countries like Iran and North Korea for weapons 😂😂

Let Russia intimidate the US to abandon Ukraine the same way the US intimidated USSR to abandon Cuba. Make them do am if e easy. 🥲

Alright we shall see how it ends

Topmaike007:
and the Talibans took over so what did they actualised

You realize it was not the Talibans that attacked US right?

Jovi10:




Same thing happened with the Cuba missile crisis. If USA could not allow Cuba then, why should Russia allow Ukraine now?

Please explain how this is the same thing?
I don't see a single similarity between these two cases but then if one tried too hard, one will be able to somehow make up parallels between two totally different historical events.

tctrills:

Please explain how this is the same thing?
I don't see a single similarity between these two cases but then if one tried too hard, one will be able to somehow make up parallels between two totally different historical events.

How is it not the same? USA was ready to go to war with Cuba if they had gone through with the alliance with the USSR.

Russia has warned that Ukraine joining NATO will not be allowed, Ukraine and NATO insist that Ukraine must join and then Russia attacked.

If USA won't allow Cuba have a military alliance, why do they want to do the same to Russia's neighbor?

Jovi10:


How is it not the same? USA was ready to go to war with Cuba if they had gone through with the alliance with the USSR.

Russia has warned that Ukraine joining NATO will not be allowed, Ukraine and NATO insist that Ukraine must join and then Russia attacked.

If USA won't allow Cuba have a military alliance, why do they want to do the same to Russia's neighbor?

The US did not stop Russia from entering an alliance with Cuba.
Russia and Cuba both entered a military alliance similar to NATO and no one stopped them. So you see, it not even close.
Setting up missiles at Americans backyard is a completely different topic.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
But then. I am not saying that Ukraine is right or wrong, I am only saying that this war ultimately has no winners.
Again. Why didn't Russia invade Finland for joining NATO? This alone shows that your argument is faulty.

[quote author=Amayabor1 post=128876098] Lol. Conspiracy theorists. Una don start!

tctrills:

There are always compelling arguments one way of the other. Russia had the choice of not going into war.
The world always knew that Russia was very strong. On the contrary, this war exposed Russians weaknesses.
Imagine Russia the second Strongest military not being able to make any important battlefield gains in over a year and not having air dominance over the course of the war. We all expected much more from Russia.

Russia is not at war with Ukrain, Russia is just carrying out a military operation in Ukrain. Ukrain can't stand a war with Russia & they know it. If Ukrain feels they are at war with Russia then they should attack Moscow or any Russian mainland. Russia doesn't want to use full force on Kiev. I don't support any of them though.

AnyanwuSilas:
Russia is not at war with Ukrain, Russia is just carrying out a military operation in Ukrain. Ukrain can't stand a war with Russia & they know it. If Ukrain feels they are at war with Russia then they should attack Moscow or any Russian mainland. Russia doesn't want to use full force on Kiev. I don't support any of them though.

I guess you should use your dictionary to research the meaning of the word 'war' then we can have this discussion.
Russia has lost more men than the US lost in Afghanistan and Iraq put together.
Remember the US fought these wars for 20 years. So if you think it becomes a war when every man in Russia is dead, that's up to you. Good night.

Jovi10:



Alright we shall see how it ends

No wahala

tctrills:

I guess you should use your dictionary to research the meaning of the word 'war' then we can have this discussion.
Russia has lost more men than the US lost in Afghanistan & Iraq put together.
Remember the US fought these wars for 20 years. So if you think it becomes a war when every man in Russia is dead, that's up to you.

You don't compare Ukrain with NATO's backing to USA vs Talibans. Be truthful to yourself, have you asked yourself why Ukrain can't attack mainland Russia? NATO doesn't want Russia to declare full scale war on them. NATO knows this that's why they don't want to give Ukrain the missiles that are capable of reaching Russia's mainland. If you want to call it a war then you call it a 'proxy war' which it is, then we will know it's a war beyond Ukrain & Russia. Fact is that, this is a proxy war between world powers in an era which globalisation has taken place. It's a world war not mere Rus vs Ukr. The war will grow many fronts. Endtime.

AnyanwuSilas:
You don't compare Ukrain with NATO's backing to USA vs Talibans. Be truthful to yourself, have you asked yourself why Ukrain can't attack mainland Russia? NATO doesn't want Russia to declare full scale war on them. NATO knows this that's why they don't want to give Ukrain the missiles that are capable of reaching Russia's mainland. If you want to call it a war then you call it a 'proxy war' which it is, then we will know it's a war beyond Ukrain & Russia. Fact is that, this is a proxy war between world powers in an era which globalisation has taken place. It's a world war not mere Rus vs Ukr. The war will grow many fronts. Endtime.

You began by saying it's not a war, but now you have changed your opinion, you now call it a proxy war.
Ukraine has no good reason to attack the Russian mainland since the fighting is taking
place in Ukraine.
Again, how would you describe a proxy war? Does giving military aid to your allies mean you are fighting a proxy war?

[quote author=Amayabor1 post=128876098]
Lol. Conspiracy theorists. Una don start!

tctrills:

You began by saying it's not a war, but now you have changed your opinion, you now call it a proxy war.
Ukraine has no good reason to attack the Russian mainland since the fighting is taking
place in Ukraine.
Again, how would you describe a proxy war? Does giving military aid to your allies mean you are fighting a proxy war?

When did Ukrain become allie with the US, after coup? If you want to call it a war then you call it a proxy war to be specific. You have one EU (German lady) said openly that they are fighting against Russia and not within themselves. French presdo also talked of sending soldiers to Ukrain not ruled out. Ukrain has been part of Russian empire untill 2014. You people are making it look like I'm supporting Russia. I want freedom. They should negotiate for peace.

AnyanwuSilas:
When did Ukrain become allie with the US, after coup? If you want to call it a war then you call it a proxy war to be specific. You have one EU (German lady) said openly that they are fighting against Russia and not within themselves. French presdo also talked of sending soldiers to Ukrain not ruled out. Ukrain has been part of Russian empire untill 2014. You people are making it look like I'm supporting Russia. I want freedom. They should negotiate for peace.

Yea Ukraine became an Allie with the west after the so called coup and why should there be a problem with that?
Also, the EU woman is wrong. No other leader bears such opinion.
Lastly, when the French send men on ground, that would be a war. As of today, there is no war between the French and Russian.

tctrills:

Yea Ukraine became an Allie with the west after the so called coup and why should there be a problem with that?
Also, the EU woman is wrong. No other leader bears such opinion.
Lastly, when the French send men on ground, that would be a war. As of today, there is no war between the French and Russian.

Okay the problem is that many Ukrainians kicked against the coup(change of govt) expecially ethnic Russians that are indigineous & part of Ukrain, so the new govt started killing and treating them as disidents, that's the genesis of this conflict, they started fighting for their own country. That's where Russia stepped in. Ukr & Rus tried to reach agreement(minsk) for almost 7 years but failed then Russia invades Ukr. If France officially send soldiers to Ukrain to fight Russia then it becomes a direct conflict with NATO, Russia will resort to using nukes because Russia can't match NATO with conventional weapons.

AnyanwuSilas:
Okay the problem is that many Ukrainians kicked against the coup(change of govt) expecially ethnic Russians that are indigineous & part of Ukrain, so the new govt started killing and treating them as disidents, that's the genesis of this conflict, they started fighting for their own country. That's where Russia stepped in. Ukr & Rus tried to reach agreement(minsk) for almost 7 years but failed then Russia invades Ukr. If France officially send soldiers to Ukrain to fight Russia then it becomes a direct conflict with NATO, Russia will resort to using nukes because Russia can't match NATO with conventional weapons.

So your point is. If the Hausa people in Niger feel that are not being treated well by their gov, Nigeria has a right to invade Niger?

I understand the Minsk agreement was broken but that's not enough reason for war.
And yes all this could lead to a nuclear war that's why I don't support any side.
This war isn't good for anyone.

tctrills:

The US did not stop Russia from entering an alliance with Cuba.
Russia and Cuba both entered a military alliance similar to NATO and no one stopped them. So you see, it not even close.
Setting up missiles at Americans backyard is a completely different topic.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
But then. I am not saying that Ukraine is right or wrong, I am only saying that this war ultimately has no winners.
Again. Why didn't Russia invade Finland for joining NATO? This alone shows that your argument is faulty.

No one stopped Russia really. No point debating you. You can go back and read the Cuba missile crisis for clarification, till then you can wallow in your ignorance sir

tctrills:

So your point is. If the Hausa people in Niger feel that are not being treated well by their gov, Nigeria has a right to invade Niger?

I understand the Minsk agreement was broken but that's not enough reason for war.
And yes all this could lead to a nuclear war that's why I don't support any side.
This war isn't good for anyone.

. If you want to do comparism or example then you compared things that are similar, Hausa people are not as powerful as . Russians or Nigeria as Russia. We are talking Russia o. I'm not supporting Russia or Ukrain. The war is inevictible based on history of geopolitics. Unless you don't want multipolar world or balance of power. Where true freedom is needed is Africa.

AnyanwuSilas:
. If you want to do comparism or example then you compared things that are similar, Hausa people are not as powerful as . Russians or Nigeria as Russia. We are talking Russia o. I'm not supporting Russia or Ukrain. The war is inevictible based on history of geopolitics. Unless you don't want multipolar world or balance of power. Where true freedom is needed is Africa.

Please explain this concept of multipolar world or balance of power?
The war is very preventable. If Russia did not invade Ukraine nothing would have happened to Russia. They did not need or have to invade and they are gaining nothing by doing so.

Jovi10:


No one stopped Russia really. No point debating you. You can go back and read the Cuba missile crisis for clarification, till then you can wallow in your ignorance sir

You are right, no need talking with you. You keep making up history. Have a good day.

Amayabor1:


Fact has been presented to him, and the ignorant dimwit couldn't respond intelligently.

Finland and Sweden announced months ago that they will be joining Nato. Both nations have finally joined Nato. Why didn't Russia attack Finland and Sweden to prevent them from joining Nato since they want to protect their sovereignty? Now, Nato's border with Russia has increased. Ode! 🤣🤣🤣.

I thought clowns like you said Russia will end the war in 2 weeks? Its been 2 years and counting. 🤣

Nobody said Russia will end the war in two weeks when it a military coalition (NATO) they are fighting with. Na original mumu you be.
Why haven't America attacked China for claiming Taiwan as Chinese territory? And why haven't NATO attacked North Korea for all the nuclear missile tests? But they quickly attacked Libya. Ekpaa!