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Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Obiagu1(m): 3:54am On Nov 22, 2011
Wow, I can't believe this!

So the call to ban Almajiri system actually came from the North or did I read the story backward?
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Kilode1: 4:07am On Nov 22, 2011
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You read it correctly.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by ektbear: 4:24am On Nov 22, 2011
Kilode?!:

Are we still waiting for Boko haram to condemn almajiri before we take this opportunity to save those young kids?

It's time to put politics aside and act for the[b] sake of those children.[/b]

"Think of the children, dammit!"

grin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Kilode1: 4:31am On Nov 22, 2011
^
grin grin (crocodile tears work sometimes you know)

But, Thank you for summarizing it with that video. We have to break it down for them. Most of these leaders are cold hearted political operators. They can't rationalize anything outside of government contracts and corrupt kickbacks.


Abeg make Una save the children. embarassed
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by lanrefront1(m): 9:07am On Nov 22, 2011
Kobojunkie:

^^^ I am guessing you have no idea what this decision by the traditional rulers potentially means for Nigeria as a whole? It means we finally have a go ahead to move Nigeria as a whole forwarned . . . . eliminate the problem we have all been burdened with for a long time now . . . cool

If only these were true.

The truth is this: the prosperity and opulence and way of life of the Tradional rulers/Emirate, for the first time feels threatend by the Almajiri system via the activities of Boko-Haram - because having being so dehumanised, life is worthless for them, they are an easy prey to bainswashing and an endless supply of suecide bombers for Group, to be used against anyone. There os nothing more dangerouse than a man who is ready to die; who has nothing worth living for.

Are the Traditional Rulers after decades of existence of the system suddenly realizing that it is evil, very evil and has ruining lives of genrations of youths. These elders who are custodian of theor own people. They are supposed to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves.

It's interesting to note that they yet don't see anything wrong when this same people burn churches and kill christians.

So don't get exited. These rulers are only inerested in protecting their own asses. The only love they have is for thmselves, not Nigeria, and certainly not the the disavantaged and dehumanized Almajiri youth.

Kilode?!:

Are we still waiting for Boko haram to condemn almajiri before we take this opportunity to save those young kids?

It's time to put politics aside and act for the sake of those children.

Exactly my point.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Nobody: 9:11am On Nov 22, 2011
Kobojunkie:

What this all has to do with ACN/PDP . . . . na wa ooo!!! Nigerians and political party yansh-licking   . . . .  this is not a party issue here. We have a go ahead from the traditional leaders up north yet AGBAYA's already turning it into some ACN vs PDP tussle. Tufiakwa!

I tire o which one concern PDP/ACN. We are talking of Northern traditional leaders and and people who can put an end to the almajiri system people are busy kicking up political party dust.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Beaf: 9:30am On Nov 22, 2011
andromida:

I tire o which one concern PDP/ACN. We are talking of Northern traditional leaders and and people who can put an end to the almajiri system people are busy kicking up political party dust.

How do you solve political problems without involving political parties?
We learn new things everyday on NL! LOL!
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Kobojunkie: 1:52pm On Nov 22, 2011
andromida:

I tire o which one concern PDP/ACN. We are talking of Northern traditional leaders and and people who can put an end to the almajiri system people are busy kicking up political party dust.

No mind the silly things. We have elected leaders -- people already elected into officers to take advantage of such news and some AGBAYAS are busy trying to pretend this is some MY MAMA FAT PASS YOUR MAMA argument.  undecided undecided undecided undecided undecided

The Federal Government has already disbursed funds to help build for them Almajiri schools. If the same FG can now make appropriate changes, to ensure that the schools are as far as possible from the old Almajiri model, that would show how committed we are to serious change to this nonsense up in the north.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Kobojunkie: 1:58pm On Nov 22, 2011
lanre_front:

If only these were true.

The truth is this: the prosperity and opulence and way of life of the Tradional rulers/Emirate, for the first time feels threatend by the Almajiri system via the activities of Boko-Haram - because having being so dehumanised, life is worthless for them, they are an easy prey to bainswashing and an endless supply of suecide bombers for Group, to be used against anyone. There os nothing more dangerouse than a man who is ready to die; who has nothing worth living for.

Are the Traditional Rulers after decades of existence of the system suddenly realizing that it is evil, very evil and has ruining lives of genrations of youths. These elders who are custodian of theor own people. They are supposed to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves.

It's interesting to note that they yet don't see anything wrong when this same people burn churches and kill christians.

So don't get exited. These rulers are only inerested in protecting their own asses. The only love they have is for thmselves, not Nigeria, and certainly not the the disavantaged and dehumanized Almajiri youth.

Exactly my point.

I don't see your point, and I honestly DO NOT GIVE A HOOT what made them change their minds. I don't see any sense in beating this issue more than we have since the inception.

The point here is they have given the go ahead, and it is possibly in our best interest to SWOOP in to change the situation, which we have complained of for decades now. The Federal Government needs to use this opportunity to step in and take control of the education system in the North, more than it has in the past, before these traditional leaders change their minds on this.

They have a right to protect their own interest in this, in this case, we can as well take advantage of the opening presented and use it to the Nations benefit, and not just theirs at the end of the day. Aren't you folks sick and tired of blaming Almajiri's for it all?
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Nobody: 3:54pm On Nov 22, 2011
Beaf:

How do you solve political problems without involving political parties?
We learn new things everyday on NL! LOL!
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The almajiri system is more of a social problem any Northern Governor can decisively address it since he has the blessing of the traditional leaders if he is serious. Party involvement is minimal here if they are serious. Lets not always escalate issues to levels where everything becomes Mr President and Tinubu and NASS problems. That is why there is something called state house of assembly. Irrespective of parties if any Northern Governor puts this on the table now he will be able to enforce it seeing as their traditional institutions are even the ones clamouring for the extinction of the amajiri system and thats what we are talking about and yes we should learn new things here that is why we are here- to rub minds.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Kilode1: 8:20pm On Nov 22, 2011
I agree with you andromida, ideally states should be able to deal with this issue and decisively too, but that's where the problem of our lopsided federalism comes in. States are at the mercy of the FG, they are not just tied to FG apron springs financially, but even politically they are dependent on what the FG does in so many ways.

In this case, the situation and strong support from the traditional institutions presents a good opportunity, like Kobojunkie said. It's now up to both the FG and northern state governments to show leadership and help those children.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Chyz2: 8:39pm On Nov 22, 2011
Now that they heard the americans are coming they want to abolish the almajiri system a.k.a. their street army. Too late. The quick the U.S. sets up base in the north, the better.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Kobojunkie: 8:42pm On Nov 22, 2011
Save the children? Na only children BokoHaram don dey kill since?
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Nobody: 9:49am On Nov 23, 2011
Kilode?!:

I agree with you andromida, ideally states should be able to deal with this issue and decisively too, but that's where the problem of our lopsided federalism comes in. States are at the mercy of the FG, they are not just tied to FG apron springs financially, but even politically they are dependent on what the FG does in so many ways.

In this case, the situation and strong support from the traditional institutions presents a good opportunity, like Kobojunkie said. It's now up to both the FG and northern state governments to show leadership and help those children.



Well the lopsidedness helped them enforce sharia didn't it? If they are serious they know how to go about it even without FG assistance or intervention.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by Kilode1: 11:15am On Nov 23, 2011
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Except you are following northern affairs from the newspapers, I won't call what goes on in the North -sharia enforcement. I see sheiks, imams and some politicians using the sharia hisbah police as their personal scarecrow, but I see little sharia enforcement. ( one reason why I quickly declared ex-Gov Shekarau of Kano a two-faced clown during the April election debate)

Besides, despite all the noise it gathered, the northern sharia issue is an anomaly and a constitutional egg shell. OBJ was just being clever by half by ignoring it, and northern politicians themselves know it is hard to actually enforce total sharia without declaring those states and the region theocratic, something they really can't do right now because they have a secular FG, Christian minorities and non-Muslim residents to bother about.

Universal Sharia law cannot survive in the north. Culturally and historically, despite the stereotype, the average northern Nigerian Muslim is not as hard line as that. Politicians like Yerima of Zamfara and co just played that card in 1999 to whip up sentiment and political support.

So on this issue both sides will have to work together, and the FG holds the card, political will is needed and this support from the traditional northern establishment is a good incentive for FG action.

One other factor we must consider, there are real religious bigots in the north Just like in other places, they've not weighed in on this issue. The FG should cooperate with these northern leaders and act quickly and decisively before the bigots find their voice.
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by baslone: 3:31pm On Nov 23, 2011
Beaf:

Why do you always approach matters like you are a wild animal in the zoo?
Re: Ban Almajiri System, Recommend Arrest, Trial, Punishment Of Offenders by hakanai(m): 3:57pm On Nov 24, 2011
okosodo:

F0ck d emirs
Well,4UQ you tooo!!!!! angry angry angry angry

@beaf am really not expecting such myopic response from you.What national assembly or political manipulation do they need?Are you being sarcastic or just hating the north as you always do?What is with you and the bad lies.Sharia talks about general knowledge regardless of the source so long as it does not make you do things against ones belief.As far as Islam is concerned alot of the knowledge available in our schools meet sharia standard.So what sharia are you talking about.The system of educating is the question here!Its not viable and should be changed.
They don't need to even change anything.Just close all Almajiri centres and refer students to regular schools.The Almajiri Islamic teaches can be updated to meet the current trends.Even the mullahs of Iran browse the internet and have pages to respond to followers why not them?if they choose to be part of the system.Afterwards apply as teachers if there passion is teaching.Mr beaf you are totally misguide and veiled in your blind hate.That you don't reason or see beyond your nose anytime north is mentioned.
Most northern schools allow Islamic dress codes and worship.They teach relevant topics to humanity and allow you choose the way to study.So how does it disturb the sharia way of study.

The Almajiri was suppose to train students in the past.Not sophisticated but useful in the old,since they were thought to read and write and could send information or store that in well written languages.
Now it is Simple, the world has moved on and they need to look at it and rethink just how it works.Today we already have IRK and CRK in regular school. We have them all the way to the University.So simply abolish the Almajiri system and tell the students to enroll in the regular schools.
Governors should just tell the parents look,we have the religious studies there.if you want your ward to study it professionally he should simply choose it with your guidance as a career path.You have boarding and day schools so!
Sharia does not insist on the almajiri system.Acquiring knowledge and Teaching the knowledge is that Sharia recommendeds.Knowledge as suggested is both for this life and the hereafter.That means knowledge of the world and the religious aspect of it.Thought priority is attached to religious first,it doesn't stop there.Today Muslims, have both knowledge in Nigeria and are okay.
Alot of educated Muslims you see today have the Islamic and secular knowledge.Not just one without the other.Today parents allow students go to secular school afterwards send them to organized Islamic classes to study Islamic theology.Islamic centers and teachers are all over like extra-moral classes.That even the working group en-roll to catch up where they didn't in the Islamic aspect.Software(S) and alot of others means exist that you could study hard and move on.From the software "Alim" as a Muslim i have memorized 14 chapters of the Quran in English and arabic.I have asked Islamic scholars and they found no difference or flaws in it.
What should be done is in the states.Sokoto has started and alot of Northern states are doing there best even before now.They just need to enforce a ban and improve the educational method eg IRK studied in school to meet the Islamic standard.Schools must be made mandatory and parents informed about knowledge and how to get it.Then fees must be subsidized to assist the poor who send there wards to the Almajiri system becauses its free and would save them the responsibilities of training there wards.
Beaf you simply have spew crap and just choose to pick a quarrel with the SW and ACN guys.

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