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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ElFenomeno1: 8:22am On Sep 23, 2014
debosky:

I'm glad he scored and assisted but he needs to do that far more often considering the freedom he's given by Arsene


Freedom? How many times has he been given such freedom this season?!

Freedom playing outwide or what?..............
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 8:38am On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1:

Freedom? How many times has he been given such freedom this season?!

Freedom playing outwide or what?..............


AW said he allows Ozi to ,over freely, Ozil likes to move the ball anywhere he likes, left right centre. Hee started on the wings in past matches that doesn't mean he's playing as a winger.. On Saturday he started in the middle but ended up playing on te wings most of the time. Playing on the left wings never had anything to do with his bad performances. He wasn't basically doing anything right, and he wasn't trying enough obviously. Ozil played on the wings for both Chalked and Weren Been before his move to Madrid, and even at Madrid he loves drifting to the wings.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 8:48am On Sep 23, 2014
Another reason why I think Ozil hasn't really been Ozil is the style of play. There far too many players who play in similar positions as ozil, so they end up getting in each others way. Ozil need runners we have that in the team but not sure we'd see the team change it's Tyler of play anytime soon cuz we would be seeing less possession football and more counter attacking football
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ElFenomeno1: 9:20am On Sep 23, 2014
Presbulg:

AW said he allows Ozi to ,over freely, Ozil likes to move the ball anywhere he likes, left right centre. Hee started on the wings in past matches that doesn't mean he's playing as a winger.. On Saturday he started in the middle but ended up playing on te wings most of the time. Playing on the left wings never had anything to do with his bad performances. He wasn't basically doing anything right, and he wasn't trying enough obviously. Ozil played on the wings for both Chalked and Weren Been before his move to Madrid, and even at Madrid he loves drifting to the wings.

I think we need to look at this Ozil situation carefully.....

Ozil has not had much freedom when he's played out on the wing.... I am not trying to make excuses for him, because i know he has had some stinker but we actually need to play him more in that free role.....he can zip in and out or glide anywhere around the attacking realm, left, right or centre..... The landscape changes if he is primarily playing as a LM... Defensive duties cant let him do that but when you have a player who is naturally not suited to that position, then we have a problem defensively when opponents attack.......

The big question is why is Wenger playing a player who has not had a decent preseason and a long summer in a position that requires a lot of fitness and energy coupled with natural or enthusiastic defensive abilities, outwide?

Ozil has had a long summer and no preseason, i think ya'all want too much... the wave of criticism is absolutely unfair.

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Pataki: 10:40am On Sep 23, 2014
debosky:

Utter bullocks - did Ozil score from being the leftmost part of the attack or from being central? Did Ozil cross for the goal from the no 10 position or from the same left wing?

I don't know what type of TV you watch games on.

Neither goal nor assist came from a no 10 position - the claim is baseless.

I'm glad he scored and assisted but he needs to do that far more often considering the freedom he's given by Arsene

Absolute rubbish coming from you! What freedom has he been given by Arsene? Throwing him to the flanks is the freedom you are talking of? undecided

Someone given a free role is expected to move from the right to the left to the center. Whether he scored from the left or right wing does not really matter here. That is what he is expected to do. What we hate is when he is SPECIFICALLY restricted to the left flank and expected to create results when we know he is a natural 10.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 10:46am On Sep 23, 2014
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 12:23pm On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1:

I think we need to look at this Ozil situation carefully.....

Ozil has not had much freedom when he's played out on the wing.... I am not trying to make excuses for him, because i know he has had some stinker but we actually need to play him more in that free role.....he can zip in and out or glide anywhere around the attacking realm, left, right or centre..... The landscape changes if he is primarily playing as a LM... Defensive duties cant let him do that but when you have a player who is naturally not suited to that position, then we have a problem defensively when opponents attack.......

The big question is why is Wenger playing a player who has not had a decent preseason and a long summer in a position that requires a lot of fitness and energy coupled with natural or enthusiastic defensive abilities, outwide?

Ozil has had a long summer and no preseason, i think ya'all want too much... the wave of criticism is absolutely unfair.

This is the heat map of Ozil against Liecester City and Man city, Ozil started on the wings but you can see he's everywhere. AW said it himself he's given Zip the license to roam freely. I've seen his heat against Aston Villa too, he got the most touches on the left wing.

I don't believe it's playing on the left wing that's made his offensive game decline.. He wasn't getting the basics right and looks uninterested most of the time. I hope he'll kicked on from the last game

Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 12:25pm On Sep 23, 2014
A. Diaby would finally lace his boots for us for the first time this season tonight against Southampton, all I have is nothing but huge respect for Wenger's golden project, despite his plight with injuries his mental strength and never say die spirit keeps him coming back, I only hope he survives tonight, diaby deserves this oppourtunity..
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 12:26pm On Sep 23, 2014
Heat map against Liecester and Man city

Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 12:29pm On Sep 23, 2014
Roland17: A. Diaby would finally lace his boots for us for the first time this season tonight against Southampton, all I have is nothing but huge respect for Wenger's golden project, despite his plight with injuries his mental strength and never say die spirit keeps him coming back, I only hope he survives tonight, diaby deserves this oppourtunity..

What would have been if he's not so injury prone. IMO he's one of the best box to box MRs in the world when fit.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 12:48pm On Sep 23, 2014
Presbulg:

What would have been if he's not so injury prone. IMO he's one of the best box to box MRs in the world when fit.

Being glass footed has really diminished his prospects, a very good midfielder especially when he is disciplined with possession, he is quite intelligent and and makes some fantastic runs and can be physical sometimes, I just hope he comes out of this game unscathed..

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 1:07pm On Sep 23, 2014
This is also Ozil heat map against Aston Villa. Had more touches on the left wing. Like I said Ozil has not been performing very well because he started on the left wing, he's just been poor and I think the world cup might have been of the reasons too.

Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ElFenomeno1: 2:29pm On Sep 23, 2014
Presbulg: This is also Ozil heat map against Aston Villa. Had more touches on the left wing. Like I said Ozil has not been performing very well because he started on the left wing, he's just been poor and I think the world cup might have been of the reasons too.


Those heat maps are flawed... i disagree with you!
You cant just whip up heat maps here and there and conclude that he has been poor....
How many Arsenal players have been outstanding this season?
How many times have our players frustrated each other or not played together as a unit?
You need to look at the bigger picture.... Wenger has messed up tactically a few times already this season and i insist one of the highlights of his stupidity is playing Ozil outwide!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 3:28pm On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1:

Those heat maps are flawed... i disagree with you!
You cant just whip up heat maps here and there and conclude that he has been poor....
How many Arsenal players have been outstanding this season?
How many times have our players frustrated each other or not played together as a unit?
You need to look at the bigger picture.... Wenger has messed up tactically a few times already this season and i insist one of the highlights of his stupidity is playing Ozil outwide!

you still don't get it , do you?
Ozil wasn't asked to play as a winger, everyone he's played, he's told told he can roam freely(like a free role) that's what the heat map is telling you and I. The team has been poor too bar a few players. The criticism of Ozil is that he's been poor below his standard.

Ozil is not new to playing on the wing, that's the excuse people are using for his poor games. He's played there for both Chalked and Werder Bremen and and even when he starts in the middle he still likes to drift to the wings. The
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ElFenomeno1: 3:31pm On Sep 23, 2014
Presbulg:

you still don't get it , do you?
Ozil wasn't asked to play as a winger, everyone he's played, he's told told he can roam freely(like a free role) that's what the heat map is telling you and I. The team has been poor too bar a few players. The criticism of Ozil is that he's been poor below his standard.

Ozil is not new to playing on the wing, that's the excuse people are using for his poor games. He's played there for both Chalked and Werder Bremen and and even when he starts in the middle he still likes to drift to the wings. The

What are you talking about?!

Ozil wasnt asked to play as a winger? Were you in the dressing room when the formation and tactics were discussed?!

Do you know football formations at all?!

How can you set up a formation that requires two wide men and yet you want to give one of the wide men a free role, when some one else is already accomodating that role?

This is insanely dumb, daft and moroni....c!

Ozil plays better when he drifts from in to out as opposed to out to in.... Wenger himself has admitted he played him out wide, so what are you talking about?!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 3:34pm On Sep 23, 2014
LOLed at the 'those heat maps are flawed'.

Ozil had a good game on hope it continues.

You said something about the way the team sets up, that's true. The team is not very direct in their approach and there are not many runners at the club something Ozil thrives on too.. We have too many similar players on the field who end up getting in each there's way.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ElFenomeno1: 3:38pm On Sep 23, 2014
Presbulg: LOLed at the 'those heat maps are flawed'.

Ozil had a good game on hope it continues.

You said something about the way the team sets up, that's true. The team is not very direct in their approach and there are not many runners at the club something Ozil thrives on too.. We have too many similar players on the field who end up getting in each there's way.

Now you are talking LOL
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 3:47pm On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1:

What are you talking about?!

Ozil wasnt asked to play as a winger? Were you in the dressing room when the formation and tactics were discussed?!

Do you know football formation at all?!

How can you set up a formation that requires two wide men and yet you want to give one of the wide men a free role, when some one else is already accomodating that role?

This is insanely dumb, daft and moroni....c!

At arsenal, the team don't normally do tactics. Arsene sets up his team in such a way that they are allowed to express themselves very well. :
we don't usually worry about the opponent,, the opponents worry about us..

A heat map shows the positions a player occupied on the field.. In those heat maps it shows Ozil was everywhere, left, centre and right of that madfield.

When a player leaves a certain position, another player covers that position.
Arsenal style of play is a possession based football which means there's a lot of movement between the midfielders which normally means they find themselves in a lot of positions of the field.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ElFenomeno1: 3:58pm On Sep 23, 2014
Presbulg:

At arsenal, the team don't normally do tactics. Arsene sets up his team in such a way that they are allowed to express themselves very well. :
we don't usually worry about the opponent,, the opponents worry about us..

A heat map shows the positions a player occupied on the field.. In those heat maps it shows Ozil was everywhere, left, centre and right of that madfield.

When a player leaves a certain position, another player covers that position.
Arsenal style of play is a possession based football which means there's a lot of movement between the midfielders which normally means they find themselves in a lot of positions of the field.

We dont do tactics ke? What is this guy talking about?! shocked

We dont worry about the opponents?! Are you having a monkey sandwich?!

Dont tell me what a heat map is..... in all contexts, i know what a heat map is...........

The point we are trying to make here is, was Ozil deployed outwide... yes or no?

Was there someone else playing the number 10 role or did we play a classic number 10 when he was deployed outwide?

You are trying to school me about how Arsenal play football....... dude take several seats, i have been down with this club longer than you ( i am sure ) and i know the fabrics in and out

Ozil is not tactically disciplined to play the number 11 role because of the defensive aspects required for that position...........

In theory,if you leave your wide men to roam about freely or interchange with the inside MF players, the defensive aspects required to play those outwide positions suffer as a result of the chaos interchanging freely would have brought up, and that will kill the team overall!

OZIL was not given any license to play a free role, when he was deployed to play outwide..... Wenger would have been insane or retar...ded to do that!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 4:18pm On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1:

We dont do tactics ke? What is this guy talking about?! shocked

We dont worry about the opponents?! Are you having a monkey sandwich?!

Dont tell me what a heat map is..... in all contexts, i know what a heat map is...........

The point we are trying to make here is, was Ozil deployed outwide... yes or no?

Was there someone else playing the number 10 role or did we play a classic number 10 when he was deployed outwide?

You are trying to school me about how Arsenal play football....... dude take several seats, i have been down with this club longer than you ( i am sure ) and i know the fabrics in and out

Ozil is not tactically disciplined to play the number 11 role because of the defensive aspects required for that position...........

In theory,if you leave your wide men to roam about freely or interchange with the inside MF players, the defensive aspects required to play those outwide positions suffer, and that will kill the team overall!

OZIL was not given any license to play a free role, when he was deployed to play outwide..... Wenger would have been insane or retar...ded to do that!


Henry,Fabregas are few players who says Arsene Wenger doesn't usually analyze the opponents.
If you haven't noticed the team sets up the same way in every game,you need to start observing more.
That's why we usually underperform against the the very good teams.

I can't find that quote where AW said he's given Ozil to the license to lay anywhere on the field. But I'm pretty sure he said it.

Like Said we have other players who can play that no 10th role, Jack, Ramsey have all played there this season already

But AW is stubborn and always tryin to prove something. He should have rotated more this season, Ramsey and Ozil have had bad games and failed to bench them yet there are lots of players who have played just few minutes and need game time.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 4:19pm On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1:

What are you talking about?!

Ozil wasnt asked to play as a winger? Were you in the dressing room when the formation and tactics were discussed?!

Do you know football formations at all?!

How can you set up a formation that requires two wide men and yet you want to give one of the wide men a free role, when some one else is already accomodating that role?

This is insanely dumb, daft and moroni....c!

Ozil plays better when he drifts from in to out as opposed to out to in.... Wenger himself has admitted he played him out wide, so what are you talking about?!
How many times will I explain to you people? Eh?

Is Ozil a winger? NO
is Cazorla a winger? NO

That a player plays on the sides does not mean he is now the winger. I have mentioned before that the only winger in the Ist team set up is Alexis Sanchez. So when Ozil or Cazorla plays by the sides, they are actual playing...
''Off-the-wings''
They pick the ball and try to drift into the middle so as to create space
1. For an overlapping fullback
2. For a centre forward to run into

This tactics though difficult to play (its a team effort) yet easy to understand.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ElFenomeno1: 4:22pm On Sep 23, 2014
Spy360:
How many times will I explain to you people? Eh?

Is Ozil a winger? NO
is Cazorla a winger? NO

That a player plays on the sides does not mean he is now the winger. I have mentioned before that the only winger in the Ist team set up is Alexis Sanchez. So when Ozil or Cazorla plays by the sides, they are actual playing...
''Off-the-wings''
They pick the ball and try to drift into the middle so as to create space
1. For an overlapping fullback
2. For a centre forward to run into

This tactics though difficult to play (its a team effort) yet easy to understand.

Seems your braincells are too weak to relate....

Where did i say Ozil is a winger here? Saying Ozil was asked to play outwide doesnt translate to him being a natural winger!

All i have said is 'he was deployed to play outwide' and we are better off letting him play in the 'classic number 10 role'

Dont quote me again if you cant relate, i dont have the time and energy to be explaining myself over and over again!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 4:29pm On Sep 23, 2014
@ Elfenomeno, Ozil has no excuse for not playing well. He must be able to adapt. And that thing you said about brain cells really got on me but I forgive you. Because you clearly dont even understand yourself am afraid...
Widemen=wingers
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 4:32pm On Sep 23, 2014
[quote author=ElFenomeno1]

Here's the link

http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/wenger-mesut-ozil-must-not-become-arsenal-scapegoat-30599742.html

You'll find where AW said he gave Ozil to move freely on the pitch.

and no I'm criticizing Ozil, just that people don't see that he's been poor and it's not because he starts on the wing
Like I said Ozil is new to playing on the wings he's played there for for two diff clubs before. Ozil himself likes drifting to wing a lot.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ElFenomeno1: 4:37pm On Sep 23, 2014
Presbulg

Ozil plays better drifting from 'in to out' ... not from the wings to inside...... I said that before up there, i wont repeat it again...

Go and sit down tonight and watch Ozil pre-Arsenal!

Wenger will be tactically stupid and daft to give Ozil a free role when the set up had him starting out on the wing, without making adequate cover for the defensive aspect of where Ozil started.

Wenger should know that giving Ozil a free role if he was deployed to play outwide will mean that we need someone to cover the defensive aspects should Ozil be out of range, with a view to stemming the wave of any attack from that side...

Wenger is a pathological liar anyway so i wont believe anything he said on this matter.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Presbulg(m): 4:47pm On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1: Presbulg

Ozil plays better drifting from 'in to out' ... not from the wings to inside...... I said that before up there, i wont repeat it again...

Go and sit down tonight and watch Ozil pre-Arsenal!

Wenger will be tactically stupid and daft to give Ozil a free role when the set up had him starting out on the wing, without making adequate cover for the defensive aspect of where Ozil started.

Wenger should know that giving Ozil a free role if he was deployed to play outwide will mean that we need someone to cover the defensive aspects should Ozil be out of range, with a view to stemming the wave of any attack from that side...

Wenger is a pathological liar anyway so i wont believe anything he said on this matter.

We are attcaking minded team and usually we have the ball most of the time, so theres's less defensive work.
That might have been one of the reason why he's started o the wing. He played there in the world cup abd I don't think people batted an eyelid.

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by proudlysports: 7:46pm On Sep 23, 2014
@Arsenal team to play Southampton: Ospina, Bellerin, Chambers, Hayden, Coquelin, Rosicky, Diaby, Wilshere, Alexis, Campbell, Podolski

Hayden at CB is kind of scary. Very good player but can make rash decisions when tackling.

Glad to see Campbell and Abou!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by debosky(m): 7:59pm On Sep 23, 2014
Interesting team selection tonight. Let's hope it pays off
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 8:33pm On Sep 23, 2014
Testing 1-2..

DJs..Testing 1-2_3..

Halllllooooo. grin 1-2..
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Keky(m): 8:33pm On Sep 23, 2014
Podolski should continue with his selfies. Football is no longer for him :|
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 8:35pm On Sep 23, 2014
Keky: Podolski should continue with his selfies. Football is no longer for him :|

grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by barackohandso(m): 8:38pm On Sep 23, 2014
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