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Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Sunofgod(m): 9:37am On Dec 11, 2011
South African president, Jacob Zuma, Saturday called for closer ties between his country and Nigeria to save the Africa continent from Western domination.

Speaking against the backdrop of the attacks unleashed on Libya in a bid to unseat its deposed leader, the late Muammar Ghaddafi, Zuma said African countries should rise to defend their true sovereignty by freeing themselves from the apron strings of foreign countries so that they can formulate their own policies without imperialistic interference.
Zuma, who spoke in Abuja as the guest speaker at the Shehu Yar'Adua Anniversary lecture, called for what he called “African solutions to African problems.”

He and his Nigerian counterpart, President Goodluck Jonathan, also paid tributes to the late Alhaji Shehu Musa Yar’Adua, a former Chief of Staff, Supreme Headqua-rters during the General Olusegun Obasanjo military regime and an influential politician in the aborted Third Republic who died in prison under the General Sani Abacha regime.

Zuma said South Africa and Nigeria should collaborate and play the leading role by pursuing a common economic interest that will change the course of events in Africa.
He warned that unless there was cohesive leadership in the quest for change on the continent, the emerging balance of power to enable Africa to define and play its roles would not be achieved.

He particularly lamented the roles foreign powers play in Africa, especially the economic policies foisted on African nations which engender their economic woes and called for closing of ranks to harness the budding economic gains.

Zuma criticised the bombing of Libya by foreign powers in the guise of protecting civilians and the killing of Ghaddafi without recourse to the rule of law, adding, “Such can only happen in Africa.”

He commended the sacrifice made by the late Musa Yar'Adua in instilling and entrenching democracy, especially for risking his life by standing for the principles of democracy.

He said Africa was better today “thanks to the sacrifices of heroes like General Yar'Adua who were ready to pay the supreme price for a better and prosperous Africa.
“Indeed, two years before his untimely death in 1997 in prison, he wrote, saying, ‘Don't worry too much about me, it is the sacrifice that some of us must make for our country to be free.’”

He said there was some improvement both in the democratic and economic spheres of the continent, but expressed regrets at the violence arising from electoral disputes.
Zuma said: “That we still fight over the results of elections is one indication of the fragility of the progress we have made. Our democracy also requires strong, active and capable institutions which are complemented by independent constitutional bodies.

“Some may even go further to argue that our governments must reduce their dependence on overseas development assistance for fiscal support, in order for them to be truly independent and have control over their policy choices before they can stand on their own.

“The manner in which Libya was treated by some countries in the developed world remains a scar that will take many years to heal for Africa.

“The African Union Summit next month will have to deliberate very seriously on the Libyan question to help this country to return to normalcy.
“We must deliberate as well on how to ensure that we do not have a repeat of what happened in Libya.

“The Libyan situation is the latest challenge to the African continent. The challenge is how do we help Libyans build a democratic Libya.

“That is the challenge we face at the next summit. And we cannot do it alone; we need the Arab League to work with us. Those who bombed Libya, they do not have a solution now and the problem is not just Libya, it is all the countries that border Libya.

“Those countries for their own personal agenda hijacked a genuine democratic protest by the people of Libya to further regime change. Some of these countries however were looking for excuses to interfere in the continent.

“In the past, they used to say it was because of the absence of democracy. They are now confused about how to resolve the Libyan issue. Working with the Libyans, going forward, we need to work with all the affected regional bodies and the United Nations to assist Libyans.

“The Libyan situation is a reminder of how to entrench unity in Africa so we can deal with these challenges together in a focused manner to defend the place and authority of Africa and the AU on matters affecting the continent.”

According to him, looking back some years, the future of the continent looked bleak, but due to the vision and conviction of people like the late General Musa Yar'Adua who braced all odds, the continent is marching forward.

He thanked the people behind the Yar’Adua Foundation and its Board of Trustees for immortalising the late politician.

"Your Excellencies, dear brothers and sisters, the last tribute we can pay to General Yar'Adua is to not go back and rest on our efforts to strengthen democracy and the capability of our states to discharge their functions.
“General Yar'Adua was one of those leaders who represented the spirit and a deep-seated passion for justice and the rule of law in Africa. We have to promote true freedom and democracy in his memory.

“We have to promote sustainable development and eradication of poverty from our continent in his memory,” he added.

He said the philosophy of the late General Yar'Adua was proof that “we cannot have peace without development or development without peace; nor can we sustain democracy without economic prosperity in Africa.”

Jonathan, in his address, extolled the late General Yar'Adua for living according to his democratic convictions, which he lived and died for, and for displaying courage to give his best to the country.

Jonathan, represented by Vice President Namadi Sambo, said the late Yar’Adua was worthy of honour for dying to ensure the speedy transformation of the country and for distinguishing himself as a soldier, farmer, publisher, industrialist and banker.

“I am particularly struck by his dedication to move Nigeria beyond the confines of what he once described as the ‘siege mentality’ which he felt had been the bane of Nigeria politics since 1914.

“It was this commitment to a Nigeria, founded on the principles of equity and unity that pressed this great man into politics. His political vision inspired Nigerians all over the country and he paid the ultimate sacrifice for his beliefs and refusal to compromise on his dream,” he said.

Jonathan listed the efforts his administration was putting into transforming the country to include the building of power stations, restoration of critical infrastructure like the rail transportation, and electoral reforms that will reduce disputes among politicians.

Chairman of the occasion and former president, Olusegun Obasanjo, recalled the achievements of the Shehu Musa Yar’Adua Foundation, saying the last 10 years had seen it meeting its targets in respect of programmes aimed at immortalising the late General Yar'Adua.

Former Vice President Atiku Abubakar nearly ruffled feathers when he was asked to introduce Zuma as he recalled his travails as Obasanjo’s deputy which he likened to what Zuma experienced when he was deputy to former President Thambo Mbeki.

South African president, Jacob Zuma, Saturday called for closer ties between his country and Nigeria to save the Africa continent from Western domination.

Speaking against the backdrop of the attacks unleashed on Libya in a bid to unseat its deposed leader, the late Muammar Ghaddafi, Zuma said African countries should rise to defend their true sovereignty by freeing themselves from the apron strings of foreign countries so that they can formulate their own policies without imperialistic interference.
Zuma, who spoke in Abuja as the guest speaker at the Shehu Yar'Adua Anniversary lecture, called for what he called “African solutions to African problems.”

He and his Nigerian counterpart, President Goodluck Jonathan, also paid tributes to the late Alhaji Shehu Musa Yar’Adua, a former Chief of Staff, Supreme Headqua-rters during the General Olusegun Obasanjo military regime and an influential politician in the aborted Third Republic who died in prison under the General Sani Abacha regime.

Zuma said South Africa and Nigeria should collaborate and play the leading role by pursuing a common economic interest that will change the course of events in Africa.
He warned that unless there was cohesive leadership in the quest for change on the continent, the emerging balance of power to enable Africa to define and play its roles would not be achieved.

He particularly lamented the roles foreign powers play in Africa, especially the economic policies foisted on African nations which engender their economic woes and called for closing of ranks to harness the budding economic gains.

Zuma criticised the bombing of Libya by foreign powers in the guise of protecting civilians and the killing of Ghaddafi without recourse to the rule of law, adding, “Such can only happen in Africa.”

He commended the sacrifice made by the late Musa Yar'Adua in instilling and entrenching democracy, especially for risking his life by standing for the principles of democracy.

He said Africa was better today “thanks to the sacrifices of heroes like General Yar'Adua who were ready to pay the supreme price for a better and prosperous Africa.
“Indeed, two years before his untimely death in 1997 in prison, he wrote, saying, ‘Don't worry too much about me, it is the sacrifice that some of us must make for our country to be free.’”

He said there was some improvement both in the democratic and economic spheres of the continent, but expressed regrets at the violence arising from electoral disputes.
Zuma said: “That we still fight over the results of elections is one indication of the fragility of the progress we have made. Our democracy also requires strong, active and capable institutions which are complemented by independent constitutional bodies.

“Some may even go further to argue that our governments must reduce their dependence on overseas development assistance for fiscal support, in order for them to be truly independent and have control over their policy choices before they can stand on their own.

“The manner in which Libya was treated by some countries in the developed world remains a scar that will take many years to heal for Africa.

“The African Union Summit next month will have to deliberate very seriously on the Libyan question to help this country to return to normalcy.
“We must deliberate as well on how to ensure that we do not have a repeat of what happened in Libya.

“The Libyan situation is the latest challenge to the African continent. The challenge is how do we help Libyans build a democratic Libya.

“That is the challenge we face at the next summit. And we cannot do it alone; we need the Arab League to work with us. Those who bombed Libya, they do not have a solution now and the problem is not just Libya, it is all the countries that border Libya.

“Those countries for their own personal agenda hijacked a genuine democratic protest by the people of Libya to further regime change. Some of these countries however were looking for excuses to interfere in the continent.

“In the past, they used to say it was because of the absence of democracy. They are now confused about how to resolve the Libyan issue. Working with the Libyans, going forward, we need to work with all the affected regional bodies and the United Nations to assist Libyans.

“The Libyan situation is a reminder of how to entrench unity in Africa so we can deal with these challenges together in a focused manner to defend the place and authority of Africa and the AU on matters affecting the continent.”

According to him, looking back some years, the future of the continent looked bleak, but due to the vision and conviction of people like the late General Musa Yar'Adua who braced all odds, the continent is marching forward.

He thanked the people behind the Yar’Adua Foundation and its Board of Trustees for immortalising the late politician.

"Your Excellencies, dear brothers and sisters, the last tribute we can pay to General Yar'Adua is to not go back and rest on our efforts to strengthen democracy and the capability of our states to discharge their functions.
“General Yar'Adua was one of those leaders who represented the spirit and a deep-seated passion for justice and the rule of law in Africa. We have to promote true freedom and democracy in his memory.

“We have to promote sustainable development and eradication of poverty from our continent in his memory,” he added.

He said the philosophy of the late General Yar'Adua was proof that “we cannot have peace without development or development without peace; nor can we sustain democracy without economic prosperity in Africa.”

Jonathan, in his address, extolled the late General Yar'Adua for living according to his democratic convictions, which he lived and died for, and for displaying courage to give his best to the country.

Jonathan, represented by Vice President Namadi Sambo, said the late Yar’Adua was worthy of honour for dying to ensure the speedy transformation of the country and for distinguishing himself as a soldier, farmer, publisher, industrialist and banker.

“I am particularly struck by his dedication to move Nigeria beyond the confines of what he once described as the ‘siege mentality’ which he felt had been the bane of Nigeria politics since 1914.

“It was this commitment to a Nigeria, founded on the principles of equity and unity that pressed this great man into politics. His political vision inspired Nigerians all over the country and he paid the ultimate sacrifice for his beliefs and refusal to compromise on his dream,” he said.

Jonathan listed the efforts his administration was putting into transforming the country to include the building of power stations, restoration of critical infrastructure like the rail transportation, and electoral reforms that will reduce disputes among politicians.

Chairman of the occasion and former president, Olusegun Obasanjo, recalled the achievements of the Shehu Musa Yar’Adua Foundation, saying the last 10 years had seen it meeting its targets in respect of programmes aimed at immortalising the late General Yar'Adua.

Former Vice President Atiku Abubakar nearly ruffled feathers when he was asked to introduce Zuma as he recalled his travails as Obasanjo’s deputy which he likened to what Zuma experienced when he was deputy to former President Thambo Mbeki.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/zuma-we-must-save-africa-from-western-domination/104777/
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Nobody: 10:55am On Dec 11, 2011
correct yarn
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by cap28: 12:18pm On Dec 11, 2011
is there something wrong with Zuma's brain?

if he were so concerned about africa's sovereignty why did he along with the other two traitors Goodluck Jonathan and Bongo of Gabon vote in favour of the no fly zone over libya?

is the extent of his treachery now fully dawning on him?

is he cacking himself realising that he could be next on NATO's hit list?

the americans and europeans turn on their friends and collaborators whenever it suits them - perhaps he has realised that no african leader is safe from removal .
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Sunofgod(m): 4:49pm On Dec 12, 2011
cap28:

is there something wrong with Zuma's brain?

if he were so concerned about africa's sovereignty why did he along with the other two traitors Goodluck Jonathan and Bongo of Gabon vote in favour of the no fly zone over libya?

is the extent of his treachery now fully dawning on him?

is he cacking himself realising that he could be next on NATO's hit list?

the americans and europeans turn on their friends and collaborators whenever it suits them - perhaps he has realised that no african leader is safe from removal .

Zuma seems pissed off . . . . . .

My understanding is S.Africa must vote the same way as Israel at UN/nato meetings.

I think its been documented - that Israel controls S.Africa including the way they vote at UN meetings.

Anyway, his rumblings are pleasing to my ear - if all African leaders start singing the same tune then it would b a welcome start to what we need to do.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Sunofgod(m): 4:53pm On Dec 12, 2011
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by cap28: 10:03pm On Dec 12, 2011
Sun of god:

Zuma seems pissed off . . . . . .

My understanding is S.Africa must vote the same way as Israel at UN/nato meetings.

I think its been documented - that Israel controls S.Africa including the way they vote at UN meetings.

Anyway, his rumblings are pleasing to my ear - if all African leaders start singing the same tune then it would b a welcome start to what we need to do.
The israelis have huge stakes in diamond mining all over africa - all the big diamond mine owners are israelis thats probably why south africa votes the same way as israel at the UN. Zuma has no real power - power remains in the hands of the europeans in south africa.

i dont think zuma fully understands what he's saying here - abandoning the western economic model means abandoning the IMF and SAP - these economic policies are what the west have been using for decades to impoverish africa and its people - Qadaffi was the only african leader who refused to impoverish his people and country by borrowing from the imf and that is one of the reasons why he is now dead. I applaud Zuma for saying what he has said but how on earth is he going to implement it when almost every african leader is a western puppet?
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by ak47mann(m): 10:59pm On Dec 12, 2011
cap28:

The israelis have huge stakes in diamond mining all over africa - all the big diamond mine owners are israelis thats probably why south africa votes the same way as israel at the UN. Zuma has no real power - power remains in the hands of the europeans in south africa.

i dont think zuma fully understands what he's saying here - abandoning the western economic model means abandoning the IMF and SAP - these economic policies are what the west have been using for decades to impoverish africa and its people - Qadaffi was the only african leader who refused to impoverish his people and country by borrowing from the imf and that is one of the reasons why he is now dead. I applaud Zuma for saying what he has said but how on earth is he going to implement it when almost every african leader is a western puppet?


ON POINT cool
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Horus(m): 11:53pm On Dec 12, 2011
Many Pan African scholars have called for a new system, an African system as being the only type of equitable system for Africans. The UN is coming up with program after program to steal from Africa and keep it poor. Just today, I saw where South African activist Leon Louw has slammed the bogus UN's The Green Climate Fund as being yet another diabolical program to keep Africans wretched and poor. It is never too late and the West knows it and are threatened by it. In Pan-Africanist Walter Rodney's book How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, he exposes their systematic exploitation and oppression of African people that has existed for centuries.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Vespasian: 1:26am On Dec 13, 2011
What African leaders truly need to do is actually industrialize Africa and educate the masses of its citizens while maintaining the

a)structure of a functioning state and that demands for ethnic division are met with compromise and perhaps regional autonomy and control over resources
b) Establishing the Rule of Law and Property Rights so that law and order will function in respective African countries and that the power of elected officials are curtailed
c) Political Accountability via elections and responsible government which is directly accountable to its citizens.

On top of all that, more money must be poured into education (especially scientific/mathematical training), infrastructure development and healthcare and living standards will improve dramatically.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by oderemo(m): 1:43am On Dec 13, 2011
@Vespasian, may God bless you sir.
I wonder what african leaders tot they will achieve by reckless sentinmental public dialogue, withthout internal discipline, unending inter/intra tribal warfare, endemic internal corruption.etc
I tot zuma shld have had breakfast with his uncle mugabe before coming to abuja.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by koruji(m): 3:41am On Dec 13, 2011
Thank you. These people are not fit to lead a pack of chickens.

Did the South Korean's complain of Wester domination. No! Did the Chinese complain of Western domination. No! Instead, they welcomed them and did their homework. Today, both of those countries can stand on their own in comity of nations.

Not African leaders. When in position of authority they do zip, when they get out of power they start talking sh.t!!!

In any case, Zuma is only saying crap for a crappy audience - when he goes back to South Africa he knows fully well which economic policies work and which don't.

ode remo:

@Vespasian, may God bless you sir.
I wonder what african leaders tot they will achieve by reckless  sentinmental public dialogue, withthout internal discipline, unending inter/intra tribal warfare, endemic internal corruption.etc
I tot zuma shld have had  breakfast with his uncle mugabe before coming to abuja.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Nobody: 11:55am On Dec 13, 2011
Bia Mr. Zuma or whatever you call your self!

I hate it when the a "dead chicken leaves the knive that slaughtered it and starts bending its neck for the pot that is cooking it".

Where was your African Union all these forty-something years when Gadaffi stole power from the Libyans? When he started bombing his people what did your AU do?

Africans should stop decieving themselves: the whiteman is not our problem. We are our problem here.

When Chris Uba (supported by an Afrcian tyrant called OBJ) kidnapped a Governor in a democratic era, where was the AU? Please Sir, Neither Chris Uba not OBJ is a whiteman. They are both blacks and Africans like you and I. Fact is this: if we, the citizens of Anambra had taken to the streets, OBJ would had called out his soldiers who would come and practice "war" on defenceless citizens and I am sure that neither you nor your AU would say a word.

I am sure that if the whitema had kept quiet and watched Gadaffi slaughter his people, people like you will be out now calling them names. You would accuse them of watching while people are dying. Have you people not called them nmames because of somalia? So, what did your AU do about Somalia? What is your AU doing about Somalia?

I thank God for what happened in Sudan. What role did AU play? Please tell me.

Mr. Zuma. Have you heard of Boko Haram? Don't you think that the menace of this Arabic deluded Africans will affect Africa so much? What is AU doing about it? For your information, the Whiteman is not sleepiong over Boko Haram. Some of our people are "conspiracy busters", they are accusing the whiteman of being the motivator of the Boko Harams. Yet, all the names that are so far called are all African Names. The suicide bombers are all Africans. Nay, Nigerians.

African leaders should be ashamed for being too greedy. Some of them will stay in power for 20 to 50 years and what does your AU do? They rig elections and hold the populace to ransom. It was Abacha (one of the greats Afrcian leaders) who told us about "home grown democracy". A "democracy" where the people are held at gun point.

Mr. zuma, stay in power ooo. Don't quit when your tenure is over. Stay and oppress your poeple like African Leaders do, then when your people revolts, start killing them. I am sure that your AU will come and save you if the whiteman comes for you.

If Africans are taking care of their affairs, what will the white man come to do?
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by oderemo(m): 12:09pm On Dec 13, 2011
@Noblezone , i think its Q:Echeesy for zuma rock.
Hakuna matata.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Nobody: 12:38pm On Dec 13, 2011
noblezone:

Bia Mr. Zuma or whatever you call your self!

I hate it when the a "dead chicken leaves the knive that slaughtered it and starts bending its neck for the pot that is cooking it".

Where was your African Union all these forty-something years when Gadaffi stole power from the Libyans? When he started bombing his people what did your AU do?

Africans should stop decieving themselves: the whiteman is not our problem. We are our problem here.

When Chris Uba (supported by an Afrcian tyrant called OBJ) kidnapped a Governor in a democratic era, where was the AU? Please Sir, Neither Chris Uba not OBJ is a whiteman. They are both blacks and Africans like you and I. Fact is this: if we, the citizens of Anambra had taken to the streets, OBJ would had called out his soldiers who would come and practice "war" on defenceless citizens and I am sure that neither you nor your AU would say a word.

I am sure that if the whitema had kept quiet and watched Gadaffi slaughter his people, people like you will be out now calling them names. You would accuse them of watching while people are dying. Have you people not called them nmames because of somalia? So, what did your AU do about Somalia? What is your AU doing about Somalia?

I thank God for what happened in Sudan. What role did AU play? Please tell me.

Mr. Zuma. Have you heard of Boko Haram? Don't you think that the menace of this Arabic deluded Africans will affect Africa so much? What is AU doing about it? For your information, the Whiteman is not sleepiong over Boko Haram. Some of our people are "conspiracy busters", they are accusing the whiteman of being the motivator of the Boko Harams. Yet, all the names that are so far called are all African Names. The suicide bombers are all Africans. Nay, Nigerians.

African leaders should be ashamed for being too greedy. Some of them will stay in power for 20 to 50 years and what does your AU do? They rig elections and hold the populace to ransom. It was Abacha (one of the greats Afrcian leaders) who told us about "home grown democracy". A "democracy" where the people are held at gun point.

Mr. zuma, stay in power ooo. Don't quit when your tenure is over. Stay and oppress your poeple like African Leaders do, then when your people revolts, start killing them. I am sure that your AU will come and save you if the whiteman comes for you.

If Africans are taking care of their affairs, what will the white man come to do?



You have so much to learn
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by ymx4u79: 2:02pm On Dec 13, 2011
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Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Nobody: 3:24pm On Dec 13, 2011
olas2u:

You have so much to learn

I am very open minded. So go ahead and lecture me.

Yet, I am well aware that the man who fetched the ant infested firewoods has invited lizard to come to his house.

The day our leaders become responsible, is the day the whiteman will not only respect but also fear us.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by texazzpete(m): 3:29pm On Dec 13, 2011
The real problem with Africa is these old, sit-tight leaders that refuse to leave power. The same old men that Zuma rubs shoulders with and shares champagne with at their AU meetings.

zuma is as worthless as they come.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by paniki(m): 4:33pm On Dec 13, 2011
Zuma must just keep quiet and leave other countries to do what they think is right for them.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by cap28: 9:51pm On Dec 13, 2011
noblezone:

Bia Mr. Zuma or whatever you call your self!

I hate it when the a "dead chicken leaves the knive that slaughtered it and starts bending its neck for the pot that is cooking it".

Where was your African Union all these forty-something years when Gadaffi stole power from the Libyans? When he started bombing his people what did your AU do?

Africans should stop decieving themselves: the whiteman is not our problem. We are our problem here.

When Chris Uba (supported by an Afrcian tyrant called OBJ) kidnapped a Governor in a democratic era, where was the AU? Please Sir, Neither Chris Uba not OBJ is a whiteman. They are both blacks and Africans like you and I. Fact is this: if we, the citizens of Anambra had taken to the streets, OBJ would had called out his soldiers who would come and practice "war" on defenceless citizens and I am sure that neither you nor your AU would say a word.

I am sure that if the whitema had kept quiet and watched Gadaffi slaughter his people, people like you will be out now calling them names. You would accuse them of watching while people are dying. Have you people not called them nmames because of somalia? So, what did your AU do about Somalia? What is your AU doing about Somalia?

I thank God for what happened in Sudan. What role did AU play? Please tell me.

Mr. Zuma. Have you heard of Boko Haram? Don't you think that the menace of this Arabic deluded Africans will affect Africa so much? What is AU doing about it? For your information, the Whiteman is not sleepiong over Boko Haram. Some of our people are "conspiracy busters", they are accusing the whiteman of being the motivator of the Boko Harams. Yet, all the names that are so far called are all African Names. The suicide bombers are all Africans. Nay, Nigerians.

African leaders should be ashamed for being too greedy. Some of them will stay in power for 20 to 50 years and what does your AU do? They rig elections and hold the populace to ransom. It was Abacha (one of the greats Afrcian leaders) who told us about "home grown democracy". A "democracy" where the people are held at gun point.

Mr. zuma, stay in power ooo. Don't quit when your tenure is over. Stay and oppress your poeple like African Leaders do, then when your people revolts, start killing them. I am sure that your AU will come and save you if the whiteman comes for you.

If Africans are taking care of their affairs, what will the white man come to do?



when i read  your post i wanted to ignore it but i thought no i have to set you straight because your level of ignorance is now at a very dangerous level

lets start with your first very ignorant statement about Qadaffi "stealing" power from his people - who was in power in libya before Qadaffi took over?

was it a democratically elected leader or a puppet?

in Qadffi's 42 year rule is it not true that Libya went from being one of the poorest nations in the world to a nation with the highest standard of living on the african continent with its citizens enjoying a life expectancy of 72 years.

is it not true that in Qadaffi's 42 year rule the percentage of literate people in his country went from 10% to over 80%?

is it not true that as at February this  year Libya had no foreign debt?

now you say the whiteman is not your problem - why then is he advising your leaders to implement economic policies like SAP that cause hardship and suffering for ordinary nigerians?

why is he in your country buying up all your assets for pennies with the collaboration of your leaders?

why is he advising you to implement laws legalising homo.sexuality and other depraved activities?

why has he advised your central bank governor to devalue your currency?

why has he predicted that nigeria will split up in less than 3 years - these are just a few of the things he is actively doing to nigeria - are these the type of things someone who has your interest at heart would do?.

Qadaffi who you are criticising was going to set up two african central banks - one in yaounde, cameroun and another one in abuja,these banks would have replaced the imf and end america and europe's control over african economies using loans and crippling interest rates , in addition he had already put forward plans to introduce a single african currency backed by gold which would have reversed all the years of exploitation that african countries continue to suffer as a result of having to sell its commodites at cheap prices set by western controlled trade organisations like the world trade organisation whilst buying western manufactured goods at inflated prices.

obj is a CIA assett who has been doing the whiteman's dirty work since the 1970s - he sold nigeria out when he collaborated with the CIA to overthrow Murtala Muhammed in 1976 - if you think the whiteman has your interest at heart you are going to get a very big shock, he is already deploying troops all over the african continent to fight over your natural resources with china -and if you think that can never happen you better open your eyes very wide and look at what is going on in DRC and Somalia right now - in DRC alone over 6 million people have been killed as a result of america sending two proxy armies (rwanda and uganda)  into DRC to overrun the country and wage war on the people of that country in order to gain control over the mineral resources  there - you better open your eyes because no country in africa is safe, the wars in Sierra Leone and Liberia were all financed by america and those rebels received money and training from Israeli and american mercenaries. the same thing also happened in ivory coast where france sent troops to kill innocent people who refused to accept an IMF puppet as their president.

why did this same whiteman not intervene in bahrain or even saudi arabia when protesters were being shot at point blank range by police and soldiers? could it be because both of those countries are american puppet states?

as an igbo man you should ask yourself why the UN did not intervene to save igbos from being slaughtered by northeners shortly before the civil war - also why did britain decide to arm and finance their puppets the northerners rather than the defenceless igbos who were merely fighting for the right not to be wiped off the face of the earth?  but today the white man comes and tells you that he came to save the people of benghazi libya from being killed by Qadaffi and you beleive it?  why didnt they save the people of gbamaratu and odi when obj sent troops to raze those places to the ground?

Sudan was divided into two because the americans wanted to get the lions share of the oil and gas concessions in that country, prior to the division of the country china was being awarded the bulk of the oil and gas concessions and the americans wanted to put a stop to that this is why they instigated the split between north and south - after the country was split the americans installed a puppet govt in the south and all of the oil and gas concessions are now going to american and european oil companies.

do you think they give a damn about the sudanese people?

do you think they give a damn about you?

didnt you see what they did in libya? are you aware that NATO killed over 100,000 men, women and children in that country with a tiny population of only 6 million, what do you think they would do in nigeria? killing means nothing to them, as long as the people they are killing do not look like them they dont give a damn.

you better go and research the origin of al qaeda - you will find out that it was created by the CIA, it is now being used by america to overthrow govts in arab countries that are not towing the line, what makes you think boko haram can not be used for the same purpose?

majority of the african leaders that have overstayed their welcome in office have only been able to do so because of the help they receive from america and europe in the form of military aid, training and intelligence.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by EMANY01(m): 9:12am On Dec 14, 2011
^^^^^^^^^^
I read the post above wondering at the self-deceit of anti western conspiracy theorists.They twist facts to suit their view of the world and when that is not possible they ignore said facts and make asersions based on thin air.
Regardles of what you say though a few things (out of many) will not change because C.T say different.
1)South Sudan for the first time can plot its future and determine how its resource (oil and otherwise) will benefit ITS PEOPLE.They will no longer have to suffer having a government in Karthumn exploit its resources and do nothing for them execpt make war on them.Kind of like the situation in Nigeria right now.
2)The Arab league is doing what it can to call Assad of Syria to order never mind they are mostly unelected but they appear(or pretend ) value the lives(going past 5000 now) being lost as a result of assad's crackdown on the people.In Libya's case when Qaddafi began his onslaught on Benghazi all to time the city was about to fall did you hear a word from the AU ? Now they have the temerity to point weak corrupt coluding croaked fingers at the west.
The AU did more to endanger blacks in Libya than Qaddafi who turned black mercenaries lose on his people.They said/did nothing have said/done nothing about that whole episode
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by Nobody: 9:51am On Dec 14, 2011
cap28:

when i read your post i wanted to ignore it but i thought no i have to set you straight because your level of ignorance is now at a very dangerous level

lets start with your first very ignorant statement about Qadaffi "stealing" power from his people - who was in power in libya before Qadaffi took over?

was it a democratically elected leader or a puppet?

in Qadffi's 42 year rule is it not true that Libya went from being one of the poorest nations in the world to a nation with the highest standard of living on the african continent with its citizens enjoying a life expectancy of 72 years.

is it not true that in Qadaffi's 42 year rule the percentage of literate people in his country went from 10% to over 80%?

is it not true that as at February this year Libya had no foreign debt?

now you say the whiteman is not your problem - why then is he advising your leaders to implement economic policies like SAP that cause hardship and suffering for ordinary nigerians?

why is he in your country buying up all your assets for pennies with the collaboration of your leaders?

why is he advising you to implement laws legalising homo.sexuality and other depraved activities?

why has he advised your central bank governor to devalue your currency?

why has he predicted that nigeria will split up in less than 3 years - these are just a few of the things he is actively doing to nigeria - are these the type of things someone who has your interest at heart would do?.

Qadaffi who you are criticising was going to set up two african central banks - one in yaounde, cameroun and another one in abuja,these banks would have replaced the imf and end america and europe's control over african economies using loans and crippling interest rates , in addition he had already put forward plans to introduce a single african currency backed by gold which would have reversed all the years of exploitation that african countries continue to suffer as a result of having to sell its commodites at cheap prices set by western controlled trade organisations like the world trade organisation whilst buying western manufactured goods at inflated prices.

obj is a CIA assett who has been doing the whiteman's dirty work since the 1970s - he sold nigeria out when he collaborated with the CIA to overthrow Murtala Muhammed in 1976 - if you think the whiteman has your interest at heart you are going to get a very big shock, he is already deploying troops all over the african continent to fight over your natural resources with china -and if you think that can never happen you better open your eyes very wide and look at what is going on in DRC and Somalia right now - in DRC alone over 6 million people have been killed as a result of america sending two proxy armies (rwanda and uganda) into DRC to overrun the country and wage war on the people of that country in order to gain control over the mineral resources there - you better open your eyes because no country in africa is safe, the wars in Sierra Leone and Liberia were all financed by america and those rebels received money and training from Israeli and american mercenaries. the same thing also happened in ivory coast where france sent troops to kill innocent people who refused to accept an IMF puppet as their president.

why did this same whiteman not intervene in bahrain or even saudi arabia when protesters were being shot at point blank range by police and soldiers? could it be because both of those countries are american puppet states?

as an igbo man you should ask yourself why the UN did not intervene to save igbos from being slaughtered by northeners shortly before the civil war - also why did britain decide to arm and finance their puppets the northerners rather than the defenceless igbos who were merely fighting for the right not to be wiped off the face of the earth? but today the white man comes and tells you that he came to save the people of benghazi libya from being killed by Qadaffi and you beleive it? why didnt they save the people of gbamaratu and odi when obj sent troops to raze those places to the ground?

Sudan was divided into two because the americans wanted to get the lions share of the oil and gas concessions in that country, prior to the division of the country china was being awarded the bulk of the oil and gas concessions and the americans wanted to put a stop to that this is why they instigated the split between north and south - after the country was split the americans installed a puppet govt in the south and all of the oil and gas concessions are now going to american and european oil companies.

do you think they give a damn about the sudanese people?

do you think they give a damn about you?

didnt you see what they did in libya? are you aware that NATO killed over 100,000 men, women and children in that country with a tiny population of only 6 million, what do you think they would do in nigeria? killing means nothing to them, as long as the people they are killing do not look like them they dont give a damn.

you better go and research the origin of al qaeda - you will find out that it was created by the CIA, it is now being used by america to overthrow govts in arab countries that are not towing the line, what makes you think boko haram can not be used for the same purpose?

majority of the african leaders that have overstayed their welcome in office have only been able to do so because of the help they receive from america and europe in the form of military aid, training and intelligence.

Bros,
It is obvious that you are simply deluding yourself the same way many Africans are doing, and let me announce to you that with such reasoning as yours, African can never be librated.

On Gaddafi:
Who was in power in Libya was not my concern, my concern is that Gaddafi stole the power with gun. Just like Buhari, IBB, Abacha and even OBJ who stole election with gun. Anybody who think he is a great leader, should and must let be the people choose him. Gaddafi stole the power and for 42 years stayed put as if the whole Libya belongs to his fathers house. This is the shame of Africa. I don’t care whether he gave Libyans food and house, he was still a tyrant. Let me tell you what counts for me: Life is not about food and clothing. Rather than take my freedom, take my food. I wont accept food in exchange for freedom because that is slavery. If he was a leader, he should have pursued a good system of government than to build a dynasty where he is the object of worship. Yes, I have tears for Africa but not for the likes of Gaddafi.

The whiteman is not our problem:
I can shout this to the roof top! So OBJ is a CIA agent? Well I never knew that and assuming it is true, then you have only solidified my position that the whiteman is not our problem. Why should OBJ a bona fide son of Africa be an agent to foreign powers? If Africans are not agents to the CIA, how can the CIA penetrate Africa?
Imagine this: I have a son who is 25 years of age. I kept N100,000 in the house and told him about it. I went out and came back and discovered that the money is missing. So I called my son and asked him about it, and he tells me it was Chucks his friend who came and “advised” to bring the money for them to spend. Are you saying I should blame Chucks? No and never. All the blame goes to my son.
1st, how did Chucks got to know about the money? Is not through my son? When chucks advised him, why couldn’t he say no?
Recently, our NA banned same-sex marriage madness against the advise of America. Why didn’t they accept the advice?
I don’t know where you read in my post that I said the west have our interest. I don’t care about what the west thinks, I am concerned about what Africans are thinking. If Africans are thinking right, then the influence of the west will be minimal. The west will continue to give us “advice”, it is our duty to decide what is good for us. If we refuse to take IMF alone, will they drag us to World court? A man can advise me on how to run my home, it is my responsibility to run my home. Whether I take his advice or not is my cup of tea. If I maltreat my family based on my friends advice, the problem is with me, and not my friend.

Bros, let Africans leaders take responsibility and call the bluff of the whiteman. Calling this bluff is not this type of Mr. Zuma, it is by becoming responsible. OBJ once blamed “sabotage” over his failure in the power sector. The other day, Gbagbo or whatever his name is refused to step down after losing an election. What did AU do? For God’s sake, let us tell ourselves the truth. One major difference between the white man and the black man is this: The whiteman looks for solution to his problems, the blackman looks for whom to blame. It is much easier to blame the Whiteman for our failure as a people but that will only keep us as failures.
Re: Zuma: We Must Save Africa From Western Domination by igbo2011(m): 10:38am On Dec 14, 2011
EMANY 01:

^^^^^^^^^^
I read the post above wondering at the self-deceit of anti western conspiracy theorists.They twist facts to suit their view of the world and when that is not possible they ignore said facts and make asersions based on thin air.
Regardles of what you say though a few things (out of many) will not change because C.T say different.
1)South Sudan for the first time can plot its future and determine how its resource (oil and otherwise) will benefit ITS PEOPLE.They will no longer have to suffer having a government in Karthumn exploit its resources and do nothing for them execpt make war on them.Kind of like the situation in Nigeria right now.
2)The Arab league is doing what it can to call Assad of Syria to order never mind they are mostly unelected but they appear(or pretend ) value the lives(going past 5000 now) being lost as a result of assad's crackdown on the people.In Libya's case when Qaddafi began his onslaught on Benghazi all to time the city was about to fall did you hear a word from the AU ? Now they have the temerity to point weak corrupt coluding croaked fingers at the west.
The AU did more to endanger blacks in Libya than Qaddafi who turned black mercenaries lose on his people.They said/did nothing have said/done nothing about that whole episode
So you believe everything that CNN, FOX, and BBC tell you? They are part of the problem they lie they are the 4th branch of the government. Most of the rebels are trained by the CIA to overthrow the government.
Gaddaffi was a hero who would never kill his own people. The west lied about that. Russia today calls them out.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7VzsYB07r4
India Lie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBCnOD9_0uk
More lies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ku0rLVdWg
Don't trust mainstream media it is BULL!!
The AU is full of people who are scared. They know that if they don't obey then the same thing can happen to their country. Espcially Nigeria, America can give Boko Haram and MEND lots of weapons to kill each other and destroy the country. It would cause hell.
Who in South Sudan is the presdient? Is he a puppet to the west? Probably, if he doesn't follow orders he probably dies. What happened to Omar Bashir?

@ noblezone
GBAGBO WON!!! The rebels were guarding the election booth the French don't like him because he doesn't wnant his people to be a slave. That is why he is in the ICC just neocolonialism. Outtarra used to work for the IMF he is a PUPPET. Why did the French go and kill civilians? That is Sarkozy's fault. Watch this to understand more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdeyg2vXyoM

For Libya, Gadddaffi gave his people ALOT more than any Nigeria leader gave to us. They had free electircity, housing, cheap food, cheap gas, free money, what do Nigerians get? NOTHING! Libya has an economic sanction and he still made it. WHat did Obasanjo do? Steal all the money and put it in foriegn banks? How does that benefit Nigerias? atleast put the money in Nigerian banks That is what Indonesia does. Invest that stolen money IN NIGERIA our GDP would be a lot higher than it is now. Probably up to 700 billion. STOP WATCHING MAINSTREAM THEY LIE AND ARE CORPORAT E OWNED!! America does this stuff aorund the world not just Africa. Look up Allede of Chile, and Soharto of Indonesia, or Mossedegh of Iran. THe congo is going through things right now. They have a hjistory of being supported by the CIa look up Lumumba and Mobotu, Then the Kabila who died in 2001 and the current ruler today.

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