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Poll: I now believe Abacha may have been honest and Obasanjo / IBB deliberately discredited Abacha's name, because:

His economic performance was on of best in Nigeria's history: 9% (1 vote)
PDP cronies - Abubakar Bagunu & Buba Marwa seem to be the people to link Abacha to the looted funds in Swiss banks appear to have been bribed by Obasanjo Govt to accuse Abacha: 9% (1 vote)
No witnesses appear to to give evidence against Abacha when Swiss lawyers came to Nigeria to collect evidence: 0% (0 votes)
Abdulsalami Abubakar /IBB/Obasanjo instigating a blind probe od=f Abacha and "discovering" billions of dollars in foreign accounts within days of Abacha's death prove they were out to discredit Abacha: 0% (0 votes)
None of above - I believe Abacha was a major looter: 81% (9 votes)
This poll has ended

Poll: Having read this thread, I believe that Abacha

May not have looted, his enemies bribed witnesses such as Abubakar Bagudu, claim that funds in foreign accounts belonged to Abacha: 9% (1 vote)
I believe Abacha was a big looter and I haveevidence other than the accusation that money "recovered" from Foreign banks belonged to him: 54% (6 votes)
I am not sure anymore: 36% (4 votes)
This poll has ended

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Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Olaone1: 6:49am On Dec 17, 2011
Hehe, madness on NL

Mu he he he
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 7:07am On Dec 17, 2011
^ Some people prefer to wallow in ignorance

A word is enough for the wise!!
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 9:05am On Dec 18, 2011
If your enemy appeared at your friend's funeral to tell you that your friend was a thief, would you believe him, with out solid evidence?

In this matter : Abacha is your friend and Obasanjo has proven to be your enemy:


Wikileaks: How Obasanjo and his inner circle Stole Nigeria's Billions of Dollars
Friday, 09 September 2011 17:09
[elombah.com]

Corruption pervades the entire levels of the private and public sector under the administration of Former President Olusegun Obasanjo, so said a US Diplomatic cables revealed by wikileaks. The report said that "the arrests in London of the Bayelsa and Plateau State governors have barely scratched the surface of the endemic corruption at the federal, state, and local level. The diplomatic cables noted that in a
widely-circulated August 22 letter to President Obasanjo, Abia State Governor Orji Uzor Kalu accused Obasanjo of corruption, listing a number of
dubious deals, including:


--Cancellation of the contract for the construction of the national stadium in Abuja, only to re-award the contract to a different vendor at a higher price.


--Use of public funds for capital improvements at two private schools secretly owned by Obasanjo.


Obasanjo's response was to agree to be "investigated by the EFCC, which reports to the President. When the EFCC invited Kalu to provide evidence to support his accusations, Kalu refused, pointing out that the EFCC was not an independent investigative body and had no authority to prosecute the President, and the investigation died out.


The President's chicken farm in Otta is one of the largest in Nigeria. A Presidential spokesman said in November 2004, in order to explain Obasanjo's personal wealth, that the farm generated about $250,000 per month in income, though it was nearly bankrupt in the late 1990s (ref
A). Regardless of whether the current income figure is accurate, at least some Nigerians think it is unlikely that Obasanjo's military pension and benefits were the sole source of investment for establishing this huge enterprise, valued by a construction engineer involved in the construction at
more than $250 million.


It is also widely believed that the President's inner circle also reaps hefty rewards with impunity. Some frequently cited examples are:


--Edmund Daukoro, recently named Minister of State for Petroleum Resources, was charged in 1994 for embezzling some $47 million as a managing director of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC). The charges were abandoned, and Daukoro's political career soared when Obasanjo took office in 1999.


--Senator Florence Ita Giwa, indicted for misappropriation of funds by the Idris Kuta Panel in 2000, was pardoned along with other indicted senators, and she was named a special advisor to Obasanjo when she left office.


--The head of the National Airport Management Authority (NAMA), Rochas Okorocha, was caught and dismissed for embezzling about $1 million through an inflated contract; Obasanjo then appointed him as a senior aide, without requiring Okorocha to repay the stolen funds. Okorocha was
eventually fired on July 13 in a cabinet reshuffle, but went on to start a political party for his renewed presidential ambitions.


--The recent auction of oil blocks included some firms bidding,, sometimes with no prior ties to the oil industry, that were linked to Obasanjo associates, including Daukoro, Rivers State governor Peter Odili, Ogun State governor Gbenga Daniel, presidential advisor Andy Uba, presidential
chief of staff Abdullahi Mohammed, Minister of the Federal Capital Territory Nasir al-Rufai and PDP Board of Trustees Chairman Tony Anenih.


--Anenih was indicted by the National Assembly for the sum of 300 billion Naira (approximately $2.4 billion) missing from Ministry of Works and Housing while he was the minister. The missing money is widely believed to have paid off 2003 elections "expenses," including to Balogun, in addition to
lining his own pockets.


--Minister of Finance Ngozie Okonjo-Iweala is said to have steered contracts to her brother (JonJon) with the help of el-Rufai. The contracts, said to amount to about $50 million, have been paid for consulting work for the Ministry.


--Al-Rufai is at the center of the corruption allegations. Well-known to PolCouns eight year ago, when he was homeless and seeking a loan to import a taxi from the UK, al-Rufai is said to have recently purchased seven upscale properties in a posh Abuja neighborhood. His demolitions of commercial and residential buildings in the capital have reportedly provided an opportunity for himself and several of his friends. After demolishing residential properties in Kubwa, the land was reallocated to several of his friends and to an investment company he allegedly owns. The community of Chika, where about two square miles of development was demolished in December, has allegedly been allocated to the same group of people.


--Chief Olabode George, current PDP National Chairman (Southwest) is a close friend of President Obasanjo and a leading proponent of the Third Term Agenda. He is one of the people accused of financial recklessness in the affairs of the National Port Authority, where he was chairman when the financial scandals were allegedly committed. He was retired from the Navy in the 1990s by the Babangida Administration after serving as military governor of Ondo State from 1987 to 1990 in addition to other military postings.


--Chris Uba, recently appointed to the PDP Board of Trustees, admitted rigging during the 2003 elections and attempted to kidnap the governor of Anambra state to try to collect payments for his efforts. Linked closely to several vigilante groups in the state, he is widely believed to be
responsible for the burning of many state government buildings in Awka, crimes that have yet to be solved.


¶10. (C/REL UK) Obasanjo himself is believed to be one of the owners of Suntrust Petroleum. And questions remain about the Obasanjo Library project, which collected enormous sums of money from government contractors, banks, industrialists, and state governors, ostensibly for the construction of a presidential library, the plans for which are vague. It is widely believed throughout the country that Obasanjo and his
son, Gbenga, are major shareholders in the newly reorganized Zenith Bank and UBA Bank as well as in airlines and the telecommunications sector.


¶11. (C/REL UK) The Bureau of Private Enterprises oversaw the privatization of many government-owned business, including sugar, steel, rice and other sectors. It is widely believed that the privatization exercise benefited both the President, through Aliko Dangote, and the Vice President,
through various agents.


¶12. (C/REL UK) Meanwhile, at the state level, the personal excesses of several governors indicate that they are finding ways to supplement their government salaries:


--Edo State governor Lucky Igbenedion purchased a $6 million mansion in London in 2000 through a series of shell companies, a year after he was elected governor. He has two Ferraris on the premises. He also owns reputedly the most expensive residence in Abuja, estimated at $25 million.


--Delta State governor James Ibori owns two London estates. The properties were purchased for $3 million and $4 million, respectively, after Ibori was elected governor. Through a shell company registered to his London-based wife, he offered for public auction an ongoing supply of 6 million barrels of oil per month. When reporters confronted his wife, the shell companies abruptly changed their directors so that Ibori's wife was no longer listed.


--Rivers State governor Peter Odili has built an impressive portfolio from his corrupt dealings as governor of one of the oil-rich states in Nigeria since his first election in 1999. Beginning his political career as a medical doctor with a small private clinic in Port Harcourt, he now hosts extravagant events and boasts that it would not have been possible "before he became governor." Further, he is widely suspected of being directly responsible for facilitating massive irregularities in both the 1999 and 2003 elections. His own state officials have claimed that Odili has employed militia groups, many of which are responsible for the continuing unrest in the delta region.


--Each of the 36 state governors donated 10 million naira (about $75,000) to the Obasanjo library project. Following a public outcry, the library organizers stated the donations were from the governors' personal funds, but several governors backpedaled from their commitments, claiming they
had made no such pledges. When a Lagos lawyer filed a code of conduct complaint alleging conflict of interest in the President's receiving these donations from recipients of government funds, Obasanjo invoked the immunity clause of the constitution, and the complaint died out.

Section 308 of the 1999 constitution gives immunity from civil or criminal prosecution to the President, Vice President, Governors, and Deputy Governors, and many holders of these offices have clearly taken advantage of this privilege.

The rest of the wikileaks report:

SUBJECT: CORRUPTION: NIGERIA "IMPROVES" TO SIXTH-WORST IN THE WORLD, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?
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Summary
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¶1. (U) Transparency International recently released its annual Corruption Perceptions Index for 2005, showing that
there are now five countries in the world perceived to be more corrupt than Nigeria. In 2004, only two countries had
been listed as more corrupt. As expected, the GON both claimed credit for the "improvement" in position, and denied
that there was still a corruption problem in Nigeria.


¶2. (S/REL UK) Corruption remains widespread in Nigeria at all levels of the private and public sector. The arrests in
London of the Bayelsa and Plateau State governors barely scratched the surface of the endemic corruption at the
federal, state, and local level. The current campaign to ferret out corrupt officials is widely perceived to be nothing more than a political witch hunt by President Obasanjo, a view supported by examining cases targeted at
high-level officials.
Section 308 of the 1999 constitution gives immunity from civil or criminal prosecution to the President, Vice President, Governors, and Deputy Governors, and many holders of these offices have clearly taken advantage of this privilege. There is no such immunity from U.S. visa revocation under Presidential Proclamation 7750, however, and post plans to submit further requests for revocation of visas of corrupt public officials. End Summary.


--------------------------------------------- --------
Transparency International: Nigeria's a Little Better
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¶3. (U) Transparency International (TI) recently released its annual Corruption Perceptions Index for 2005, showing
that there are now five countries in the world perceived to be more corrupt than Nigeria: Chad, Bangladesh,
Turkmenistan, Myanmar, and Haiti. In 2004, only Bangladeshnand Haiti had been listed as more corrupt. Nigeria's
absolute rating increased slightly, from 1.6 (out of 10) to 1.9, though the range of the confidence interval could have
placed the country anywhere in the bottom nine. As expected, the GON claimed credit for the "improvement" in position, saying it was evidence of the Obasanjo administration's reforms. And as expected, the GON also faulted TI's
methodology and denied there was still a corruption problem in Nigeria.


¶4. (U) The World Economic Forum has released the results of a survey finding improvement in Nigerian firms'
perceptions of corruption in the country. For example, from 2002-2005, the percentage of Nigerian firms that believed
public funds in Nigeria were diverted due to corruption decreased from 100% to about 75%.


¶5. (U) The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) and its chairman, Nuhu Ribadu, continue to grab
headlines, as newspapers eagerly report the rumored targets
of EFCC investigations. Independent Corrupt Practices
Commission (ICPC) chairman Mustapha Akanbi stepped down on
September 29 and was replaced by another former Supreme Court
justice, Emmanuel Olayinka Ayoola. Meanwhile, the EFCC and
the ICPC have won only a single conviction of a high-level
public official: on November 22, former Inspector-General of
Police Tafa Balogun, fired for corruption, pled guilty to
minor obstruction charges and received a sentence of just six
months, less time served.


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What Can We Do?
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¶13. (S/REL UK) While we cannot prove all of these
accusations in a court of law, their significance is that
they are widely believed both among political figures and
among that part of the general public that is politically
aware. It is in the USG's interest to support Nigeria's
efforts to root out corruption and, while our positive public
pronouncements contribute to the environment, the biggest
influence we can have is the judicious use of U.S. visa
revocation for corrupt practices, as provided by Presidential
Proclamation 7750. Though we are unable to identify every


ABUJA 00000483 004 OF 004


corrupt official, the Mission is compiling a list of some
prominent and egregious corrupt officials from throughout the
country. This list will take into consideration the
individuals, levels of corruption and the impact on Nigerian
stability of a 7750 decision. The list could be expanded in
many directions, but the Mission feels that such an effort
would demonstrate the sincerity and seriousness of the USG's
commitment to good governance and, if these individuals are
found ineligible, that finding could contribute greatly to
entrenching the precepts of good governance and
accountability in Nigeria.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 9:22am On Dec 18, 2011
next thing genbecomrich will be telling us that abacha died peacefully in his sleep and that the indian prostitutes were a malicious rumour cheesy cheesy
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Sagamite(m): 9:30am On Dec 18, 2011
He is a proper cretin!
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by VoodooDoll(m): 10:58am On Dec 18, 2011
Puff, puff pass,

Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 1:25pm On Dec 18, 2011
I have exposed Obasanjo's plot

I have offered you opportunity to dispel my theory with eight critical questions that could prove beyond doubt whether Abacha looted or not.

Yet after 6 pages of this thread, non of the numerous detractors has offered a single answer to any of the questions.

Instead they have been reduced to name calling and making jokes.

Please think very well about the questions that need answering:
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Sagamite(m): 1:30pm On Dec 18, 2011
GenBuhari:

I have exposed Obasanjo's plot

I have offered you opportunity to dispel my theory with eight critical questions that could prove beyond doubt whether Abacha looted or not.

Yet after 6 pages of this thread, non of the numerous detractors has offered a single answer to any of the questions.

Instead they have been reduced to name calling and making jokes.

Please think very well about the questions that need answering:

Go and throw your daft questions to honerico1. You might have an audience that will think your cretinous, unsubstantiated rubbish you pulled out of your arse and called "exposure"/"theory" is that of a genius.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 1:34pm On Dec 18, 2011
let us look at it in a simplistic way:

If a proven honest man tells you that Abacha never looted;

A proven looter and liar, Obasanjo tells you Abacha looted;

Who should you believe? The honest man or the liar?
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Sagamite(m): 2:25pm On Dec 18, 2011
GenBuhari:

let us look at it in a simplistic way:

If a proven honest man tells you that Abacha never looted;

A proven looter and liar, Obasanjo tells you Abacha looted;

Who should you believe? The honest man or the liar?

You are a cretin!

Stop through your daft questions.

When you can explain why the Abacha family hired lawyers and paid them millions to to defend money you said was not stolen by them but was planted by IBB and OBJ, then your moronic arse would be washed and your brain residing there would function a little better.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 2:46pm On Dec 18, 2011
So because you read in the news that Abacha's spent millions defending money in foreign accounts, means that it is true?

I have seen no evidence that Abacha family spent millions on defending the bogus court cases brought by Obasanjo in foreign countries to legitimise his false malicious accusations.

Have you thought about how the news media get the information that they are publishing?
Would it not have been Obasanjo that gave them the press briefing that Abacha is spending millions on lawyers?

And you are here calling people cretin?

you are too funny- putting cretin in every post; I think that is actually a communication defect.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Sagamite(m): 2:54pm On Dec 18, 2011
GenBuhari:

So because you read in the news that Abacha's spent millions defending money in foreign accounts, means that it is true?

I have seen no evidence that Abacha family spent millions on defending the bogus court cases brought by Obasanjo in foreign countries to legitimise his false malicious accusations.

Have you thought about how the news media get the information that they are publishing?
Would it not have been Obasanjo that gave them the press briefing that Abacha is spending millions on lawyers?

And you are here calling people cretin?

you are too funny- putting cretin in every post; I think that is actually a communication defect.

You are a proper cretin!

The junk you put here and synthetize with your moronic brain, you did not read in the papers? It came from an Oracle?

Fcking ediot!
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 4:23pm On Dec 18, 2011
GenBuhari:

let us look at it in a simplistic way:

If a proven honest man tells you that Abacha never looted;

A proven looter and liar, Obasanjo tells you Abacha looted;

Who should you believe? The honest man or the liar?

Abeg, who is the honest man in this analogy?
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 5:53pm On Dec 18, 2011
genbuhari earnestly endorses abacha - the nigeria's jfk assassinated in his prime.

if only the man were still alive. we and our cars would be choking on smelly fuel, gsm would still be only for the rich (intercellular would still be the big boys and nitel ould still be fleecing us for useless service) ) as for intenet lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed,

and of course any dissidents would be in jail or exile. citibank would be flossing big time.

and dear abacha would be supreme dictator for life

what a shameless load of nonsense
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Katsumoto: 6:06pm On Dec 18, 2011
GenBuhari

Without a shadow of doubt, you are a paid agent. Unfortunately, those that paid you, didn't pick the ideal individual.

The only thing that you have achieved with this thread is sticking some mud to Buhari. You were never going to convince anyone that Abacha wasn't a crook because he was. Not only was Abacha a crook, he was a greedy one.

By the way, do you know who Marc Rich is and how he was associated to Abacha? If you don't know who he is, then you don't even have a clue what you are on about.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Sagamite(m): 6:29pm On Dec 18, 2011
oyb:

genbuhari earnestly endorses abacha - the nigeria's jfk assassinated in his prime.

if only the man were still alive. we and our cars would be choking on smelly fuel, gsm would still be only for the rich (intercellular would still be the big boys and nitel ould still be fleecing us for useless service) ) as for intenet lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed,

and of course any dissidents would be in jail or exile. citibank would be flossing big time.

and dear abacha would be supreme dictator for life

what a shameless load of nonsense

Our great leader Abacha! grin grin grin

You forgot to add what % of our GDP would be looted.

Katsumoto:

GenBuhari

Without a shadow of doubt, you are a paid agent. Unfortunately, those that paid you, didn't pick the ideal individual.

The only thing that you have achieved with this thread is sticking some mud to Buhari. You were never going to convince anyone that Abacha wasn't a crook because he was. Not only was Abacha a crook, he was a greedy one.

By the way, do you know who Marc Rich is and how he was associated to Abacha? If you don't know who he is, then you don't even have a clue what you are on about.

Honestly I don't think he is a paid agent. I just think he is INCREDIBLY STUPID!

I am good at spotting cretins!
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by VoodooDoll(m): 6:54pm On Dec 18, 2011
Buhari's brother read this link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/nigeria/stories/corrupt060998.htm

"In nearly five secretive years in power, Nigeria's Gen. Sani Abacha built a reputation for authoritarian, sometimes brutal rule. He was less known -- but in terms of his legacy to Nigeria, perhaps more important -- for overseeing a web of corruption that Nigerians and oil industry sources say plundered billions of dollars from the country."

Do read the link, but I suspect you will read it and still come back with ludicrous answers.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Sagamite(m): 7:07pm On Dec 18, 2011
VoodooDoll:

Buhari's brother read this link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/nigeria/stories/corrupt060998.htm

"In nearly five secretive years in power, Nigeria's Gen. Sani Abacha built a reputation for authoritarian, sometimes brutal rule. He was less known -- but in terms of his legacy to Nigeria, perhaps more important -- for overseeing a web of corruption that Nigerians and oil industry sources say plundered billions of dollars from the country."

Do read the link, but I suspect you will read it and still come back with ludicrous answers.

He would tell you:

OBJ and IBB are the secret owners of the Washington Post and they are planting that story to discredit Abacha.

I have given you are fact, disprove it.


grin grin grin grin grin

Na una get time to be debating with mentally unbalanced people, I just insult.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Katsumoto: 8:22pm On Dec 18, 2011
Sagamite:

Our great leader Abacha! grin grin grin

You forgot to add what % of our GDP would be looted.

Honestly I don't think he is a paid agent. I just think he is INCREDIBLY silly!

I am good at spotting cretins!


You are the master of that art. grin grin

That being said, even people from the North of Nigeria don't defend Abacha. I doubt someone from the South defending Abacha is doing so for silly reasons. Most likely someone that benefitted from Aabacha either directly or directly. He could be Daniel Kanu for all we know. In any case, GenBuhari took the huge risk of tarnishing Muhammadu Buhari to defend Abacha; he did that for a reason. I am convinced money or favour is involved.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Sagamite(m): 8:39pm On Dec 18, 2011
Katsumoto:

You are the master of that art. grin grin

That being said, even people from the North of Nigeria don't defend Abacha. I doubt someone from the South defending Abacha is doing so for silly reasons. Most likely someone that benefitted from Aabacha either directly or directly. He could be Daniel Kanu for all we know. In any case, GenBuhari took the huge risk of tarnishing Muhammadu Buhari to defend Abacha; he did that for a reason. I am convinced money or favour is involved.

Nah! I am sure it is just a case of a nutrient starved and degraded brain.

He is just stupidity at its purest form. He is really convinced he is making sense, I don't think this is an agent, benefactee or paid fool. This is just a big foool right on the boundary lines between sane and insane.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 11:45pm On Dec 18, 2011
Where did the Washington Post got its information about Abacha?

Think really hard about this before replying and I am confident you would come up with the correct answer eventually smiley

VoodooDoll:

Buhari's brother read this link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/nigeria/stories/corrupt060998.htm

"In nearly five secretive years in power, Nigeria's Gen. Sani Abacha built a reputation for authoritarian, sometimes brutal rule. He was less known -- but in terms of his legacy to Nigeria, perhaps more important -- for overseeing a web of corruption that Nigerians and oil industry sources say plundered billions of dollars from the country."

Do read the link, but I suspect you will read it and still come back with ludicrous answers.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 11:53pm On Dec 18, 2011
All detractors continue to throw insults and make jokes but yet after 6 pages of this thread the fact remains that none of them have been able to even offer a single answer to the 9 very valid questions that needs to be answered if we are to prove ( beyond just accepting Obasanjos's snd IBB's word ) that, that Abacha looted.

Here is the very valid questions that needs to be answered:
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 11:57pm On Dec 18, 2011
We are now in the 6th page of this thread yet non of the detractors have been able to offer answers to the very important questions, that need to be answered if we are to accept that Abacha there has not been a malicious plot to wrongly label Abacha as a looter:

[b]1) What would prompt IBB and Obasanjo to blind probe Abacha? Who told them Abacha had foreign bank accounts. They had clearly set out to discredit Abacha, to justify dismantling his good work and resume massive looting.



2)Why would a PDP crony - Abubakar Bagunu, be the only person to link Abacha to the looted funds that they allegedly discovered. So all the $700million was owned by this crony who went to court in UK and claimed he is a 50% business partner with Mohamed Abacha and that they jointly have approx $700m in Swiss accounts.

Then the press including International news media, reported that $700m belonging to Abacha's family and friends and business associates have been located in foreign accounts. Most just say that $700m belonging to Sani Abacha has been located.


3) Why would the same PDP crony not be mentioned in any Nigerian newspapers?


4) Is it a coincidence that whilst this Abubakar Bagunu, was trying to claim that Abacha's son owned the looted money, Abacha's son was unable to attend court and deny the charges, because Obasanjo had jailed him on trumped up charges of murdering Abiola's wife?



5)Why would the same Abubakar Bagunu, appear to have been rewarded for his co-operation by chairmanship of a company that won a $1billion goverment contract?



6) Why would the same Abubakar Bagunu, appear to have been rewarded for his co-operation by being selected as PDP Senator for Kebbi State?



7) Why have the Press never pursue Abubakar Bagunu, for answers about his looting and his association with government?



8 ) Why did no witnesses appear to to give evidence against Abacha when Swiss lawyers came to Nigeria to collect evidence??[/b]


If you do not have answers to all these questions, then you have no basis for accusing Abacha of looting.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Katsumoto: 1:25am On Dec 19, 2011
GenBuhari

Your defense of Abacha is hinged on the premise that IBB and OBJ surreptitiously probed him. That argument is flawed on several grounds:

1. The surreptitious and/or vindictive probe of Abacha does not rule out Abacha's guilt. A thief accusing another thief of theft should not result in the innocence of the accused thief, rather it only implies that the thief accusing the other does not have the moral right to accuse another of theft when he is also a thief.
2. IBB and OBJ are not the only individuals who can probe Abacha; other individuals are able to ascertain whether Abacha was guilty or not

Abacha, like some other Military men such as IBB and OBJ, is guilty of corruption on the singular basis that he lived well above his pay grade. The Nigerian Army did not pay Soldiers so much that they could build multi-million dollar homes in the choicest parts of Nigeria. I don't have to go into details, most are aware of the lavish lifestyle of his family. He lost his step-son to a plane crash in a private chartered aircraft.

Secondly, it is not a secret that Abacha used the Chagoury brothers to front many of his illegal deals. Similarly, Abacha used Marc Rich, the exiled American business man, to trade Nigerian crude oil in the 1990s. If you do some research on Marc Rich, you will ascertain that he was on exile because he was involved in illegal oil deals in Iran in the 70s and 80s. The most exasperating aspect of Abacha's corruption, to many Nigerians I would hope, is that he was from Chad and wasn't even Nigerian.

BTW, I wasn't insulting you when I stated that you are a paid agent; that is my view. Like you, I respect Buhari because I believe he is a honest man. Abacha on the other hand was a tyrant and a corrupt one at that.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 2:10am On Dec 19, 2011
My point is that the fact that Obj and IBB probed Abacha for financial fraud, within weeks of his death without any obvious reason, proves to me that they were out to scapegoat him and blame him for the state of the country (which IBB at that point was responsible for ).

There is no evidence that Abacha is guilty other than information provided in news reports.

But guess how the news stories got the information they published?
Who gave them the information that Abacha was a looter?
think very carefully about that.

Katsumoto:

GenBuhari

Your defense of Abacha is hinged on the premise that IBB and OBJ surreptitiously probed him. That argument is flawed on several grounds:

1. The surreptitious and/or vindictive probe of Abacha does not rule out Abacha's guilt. A thief accusing another thief of theft should not result in the innocence of the accused thief, rather it only implies that the thief accusing the other does not have the moral right to accuse another of theft when he is also a thief.

Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 5:25am On Dec 20, 2011
I have searched high and low to find any credible link where any member of the Abacha family say (perferably on video) in their own words, that they have any money in foreign accounts and that they are spending millions on lawyers to defend it.

I have been unable to find any news stories or interviews where the Abachas have been given any opportunity to give their views about the accusation against them.

Even in court, I do not believe a trial ever did take place where Mohammed Abacha was given opportunity to defend himself
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 9:38am On Dec 21, 2011
Abacha's policies were not those you would associate with a president intent on looting
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 12:40pm On Dec 21, 2011
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How Abacha Was Killed, By Uba Ahmed

Of course Abacha never died a natural death. Abacha was murdered. You see there were two Indian girls who were dormant operators of the foreign intelligence and they had to be flown in because every measures that were taken to get assess to Abacha was aborted because of the vigilance of his Security Agents. So when the two girls came, they were introduced to Abacha through his innocent friends, they don't even know what this girls were all about.

But for you to know that Abacha was killed deliberately, you need to read either Newsweek or The Time magazine I'm not sure which of the two because it's now almost 9 years ago. But one of them when they were covering the death of Abacha, you need to read loaded sentence, it said Abacha died, I am quoting now "Abacha died because he took a pill which he thought was Viagra" it obviously means by this sentence that the author of that story knew that Abacha was not taking Viagra and it also means that the suggestion of that writing that the very person who administered that drug on him knew it was administering Viagra. Therefore it meant he was being administered with poison and there is no doubt about it. With the way he died and the immediacy of his death having taken the drug speaks load. Viagra doesn't kill in minutes. But he died minutes after taking the pill. He was obviously killed and that is my conclusion.

You were the Minister of Labour then and was still in office for sometime after Abacha died so why were the Indian ladies not arrested and so on?

You know this is a security matter. I did not know how the security people handled it, but I do remember very well that I called their attention to that publication and I asked them to read it very well and to read it between the lines. So what they did to them, I knew also that they put them under house arrest not in prison but under house arrest. So I won't be able to say much about the security aspect of that one.

In fact they wanted Abacha to die because they wanted the Nigerian naira to go back from where it has come from the SAP era so that it will continue to have a free fall like we are having during Obasanjo and they wanted to take over our oil, all our assets to be sold and indeed all our assets have effectively been sold now by Obasanjo. They did not only sell but they even confiscated by force, unconstitutionally, illegally properties of Nigerian citizens and allotted it to themselves. That is the kind of government we went through for eight years.

Abdulsalami Abubakar himself did not help us when he took over, because when they were talking of Abacha having so much money or Abacha loot,  Abacha loot. What has amazed me and what has surprised me is that no Nigerian yet has taken it up to embark on investigative reporting to find out really how did Abdulsalam Abubakar came about the information of Abacha loot in Switzerland.

Switzerland is one country where the Jews have been hiding their assets and wealth, gold, money and everything they own that is precious since 1917 during the 1st world war including the 2nd world war, from 1917 till today the Jews are unable to get assess to their inheritance because of the coding system and the absolute secrecy with which the Swiss account are shrouded and yet Abdulsalami was able to tell us within his 7 days of ascendancy to power that Abacha looted money and that they have found out the account, they have found out the numbers and that they have found out the balances.

Now I will tell you one thing. When Obasanjo came he confirmed it and having confirmed that he even went forward to say they have recovered some of the loot and our Senate made it as one of the basis of impeaching Obasanjo, the disclosure of the money they have recovered because its not been receipts, it has never been reflected in our accounts, budget or the federation account and therefore the senators when they wanted to impeach him made that as one of the subjects of investigation and impeachment.

I can even tell you more, like I have told you repeatedly, Abacha's government was the only government that operated under sanction, yet when he came to power Nigeria was owing foreign loan of $33 billion by the time he left Abdulsalami himself had announced in his budget speech that our loan was reduced to 26 billion which meant during the 5 years of Abacha, he was able to repay 7 billion dollars.

In addition to the repayment of 7 billion to our foreign debt, we had a domestic debt of over a hundred million (100,000,000), Abacha paid it. Abacha left foreign reserve of $9 billion when you add that to $7 billion that is $16 billion.role of the west, economic policies and more
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http://odili.net/news/source/2007/oct/21/200.html

Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 1:07pm On Dec 21, 2011
^^^^

so you admit that abacha was regularly spending state funds on foreign prostitutes and viagra

in short that he was a hedonistic lecherous paranoid schizoprenic?

its an open secret that men of honor did what had to be done to save nigeria from that your newest benefactor

perhaps you should read up on operation valkyrie

good riddnace.

if you are a muslim, you should know that it means your beloved abacha died while in sin - that says enough about him and where he is almost certainly is right now.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 2:12pm On Dec 21, 2011
[size=18pt]Louis Farrakhan talks about reason he believes Abacha was assassinated.[/size]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBQZELCKB2s?version=3&feature=player_detailpage[/flash]
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by Nobody: 8:31am On Dec 22, 2011
I personally believe that IBB was involved in Abacha's assassination, and it is very clear to most people that Babangida is a US stooge, just as Obasanjo is. This would explain why immediately after Abacha was poisoned, Babangida's very close friend (and his neighbour in Minna) Abdulsalami Abubakar was appointed, and IMF and World Bank were immediately invited back to Nigeria for talks.
Re: Sani Abacha was honest & one of Nigeria's best ever leaders. by juman(m): 11:23am On Dec 22, 2011
The poster is wasting his time.

Abacha was a really bad man.

No number of threads or posts that can change that. Hisss

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