Have you been following news about Pope Benedict’s visit to the US? There are a lot of issues he’ll undoubtedly address before the visit concludes, but the one that’s attracting the most attention is the ugly history of intimate abuse scandals in the Catholic church. He’s already made some comments on the issue, although given the gravity of the scandals, one suspects and hopes that he’ll have more to say in the next few days.

It’s tempting to see these horrible instances of intimate abuse within the church as a “Catholic problem,” something unique to the Catholic church and its clerical hierarchy. And of course there’s the “it could never happen here” line of reasoning (and that’s a hard line to resist—I can’t imagine a intimate abuse scandal happening in my church, even though I know the statistics say it could).

But there’s a timely article this month at Christianity Today about sex abuse in the church that cautions against such assumptions. In fact, it suggests that many churches lag behind secular organizations in facing the reality of the problem:


In the last three years, an average of 23 new articles each day have appeared in secular media sources revealing intimate abuse allegations arising in Protestant churches in the United States. Protestant denominations have been tempted to call intimate abuse a “Catholic problem”; this is simply not true. Within the past eight years, verdicts, judgments, or settlements exceeding hundreds of millions of dollars have been levied against Protestant churches for intimate abuse allegations arising from children participating in ministry programs.

The church and its children are increasingly endangered by intimate predators whose opportunity to ensnare children elsewhere is growing smaller, while the church opens its doors to anyone. intimate abusers looking for access to children will gravitate to activities and organizations where there are fewer protective measures in place. Secular organizations have responded to this inevitable truth by implementing policies and training to reduce risk. Many churches, however, have done little, because ministries fail to recognize the risks or are laboring under the misconception “it won’t happen here.”


The article goes on to dispel common myths about intimate abuse in the church (think your church is safe and legally covered because you do criminal background checks, or because you downloaded a generic abuse policy from the internet? Think again…). And it concludes with some good suggestions for intelligently approaching the possibility of intimate abuse in your church.

Not a pleasant topic to think about. But if your church isn’t thinking about it, well, with the issue in the news again, “right now” is a good time to get on it.

Filed in: Leadership, The Church

http://www.thinkchristian.net/index.php/2008/04/17/sex-abuse-in-the-church-not-just-a-catholic-problem/

Moslems like you will always attack any thing christianity...Has any catholic church or xtian ever bombed or shot a moslem to shed his blood..Please remove the log of wood in your wicked islamic eyes first before criticising the xtians..period

Child Bride Horrors Last a Lifetime

Qur’an 21:107—We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.


I. QUR’AN ON SEX WITH PREPUBESCENT GIRLS

Qur’an 65:4 (Shakir)—And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

Qur’an 65:4 (Hilali-Khan)—And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

Qur’an 33:49 (Hilali-Khan)—O you who believe! When you marry believing women, and then divorce them before you have sexual intercourse with them, no 'Iddah [divorce prescribed period, see (V.65:4)] have you to count in respect of them. So give them a present, and set them free i.e. divorce, in a handsome manner.

II. COMMENTARY ON 65:4

Tafsir Ibn Kathir (on Qur’an 65:4)—Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn (on Qur’an 65:4)—And [as for] those of your women who (read allà'ï or allà'i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months.
Tafsir Ibn Abbas (on Qur’an 65:4)—(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: "O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?" (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.

Maududi, Tafhim al-Qur'an (on Qur’an 65:4)—Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible.

III. HADITH ON MUHAMMAD’S RELATIONSHIP WITH AISHA

Sahih al-Bukhari 3895—“. . . and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 5133—“. . . and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.”
Sahih Muslim 3309—“. . . and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine.”
Sahih Muslim 3311—“ . . . and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her . . .”
Sunan Abu Dawud 2116—“Aisha said: . . . He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 6130—“Narrated Aishah: ‘I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet’ . . . The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty. (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13).”
Sahih al-Bukhari 5236—“Narrated Aishah: The Prophet was screening me with his Rida . . . So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) . . . should be treated in this respect.”

Western Muslims are typically quite embarrassed by the fact that Muhammad had sex with a nine-year-old girl, and Muslim apologists are doing everything in their power to rewrite history in order to rescue their prophet from criticism. But are they willing to rewrite the Qur'an as well?
According to Surah 2:228, if a Muslim man wants to divorce his wife, he should wait until she has gone through three monthly cycles (i.e. three periods). But the question later arose: What are men who want a divorce supposed to do when their wives, for whatever reason, do not have monthly cycles? The Qur'an answers this question in Surah 65:4, where it gives divorce rules for:
(1) women who do not have monthly cycles because they are too old,
(2) girls who do not have monthly cycles because they are too young, and
(3) women and girls who do not have monthly cycles because they are pregnant. The verse declares that, if Muslim men want to divorce girls who haven't yet reached puberty, they must wait three months (after having sex with them).

Here are some translations of Surah 65:4.
Qur'an 65:4 (Shakir)--And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.
Qur'an 65:4 (Arberry)--As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.
Qur'an 65:4 (Yusuf Ali)--Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.
Qur'an 65:4 (Hilali-Khan)--And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.
Qur'an 65:4 (Sher Ali)--And if you are in doubt as to the prescribed period for such of your women as have despaired of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and also for such as do not have their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears ALLAH, HE will provide facilities for him in his affair.
Qur'an 65:4 (Rodwell)--As to such of your wives as have no hope of the recurrence of their times, if ye have doubts in regard to them, then reckon three months, and let the same be the term of those who have not yet had them. And as to those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. God will make His command easy to him who feareth Him.

Here are three classic Muslim commentaries on 65:4.
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (on Qur’an 65:4)—Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn (on Qur’an 65:4)—And [as for] those of your women who (read allà'ï or allà'i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months.
Tafsir Ibn Abbas (on Qur’an 65:4)—(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: "O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?" (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.

For Muslims who want to say that this verse could refer to divorcing prepubescent girls whose husbands haven't had sex with them, the Qur'an refutes this claim. Surah 33:49 says that there is no waiting period if a man has not had sex with his bride.
Qur'an 33:49--O ye who believe! When ye marry believing women, and then divorce them before ye have touched them, no period of 'Iddat have ye to count in respect of them: so give them a present. And set them free in a handsome manner.

Hence, the Qur'an says that there is no waiting period if a man hasn't had sex with his bride, and the Qur'an prescribes a waiting period for men who want to divorce their prepubescent child-brides. This presupposes that the men have had sex with them, which means that the Qur'an allows sex with prepubescent girls. This shouldn't be surprising, since Muhammad himself had sex with a girl who hadn't reached puberty.





News On Child Brides [Culled from www.answeringmuslims.com by David Wood]
Another Yemeni Child-Bride Hospitalized with Sex-Related Injuries
Apparently, the Muslims in Yemen trust the Qur'an and Hadith more than they trust Yahya Snow and other Westernized reinterpreters of Islam. (Note that, according to religious authorities in Yemen, people like Yahya are apostates.)
An 11-year-old Yemeni girl who was was married to a man in country's Hajja province was hospitalized today with genital injuries, said a human rights group in Sanaa.
It was the second incident involving a child bride in the last week. A 13-year-old girl died after being sexually assaulted by her adult husband. Both girls were married in the country's rural Hajja province.
The 11-year-old girl was married last year only under the condition that the adult husband would wait until she reached puberty to consummate the marriage. He did not wait, nor do many of the men who marry young brides, says Amal Basha, director of the Arabic Sisters Forum.
An estimated 50 percent of women in Yemen are married before age 18, some as young as 8. Less than a week ago the Sana'a-based human rights group reported the death of a 13-year-old bride in the same rural area. The Associated Press reported the girl was allegedly raped, and that her 23-year-old husband is now in police custody.
"She looked like she was butchered," said the girl's mother, Nijma Ahmed. The AP also cited police a report saying the husband forced himself on his young bride, feeling under pressure to prove his manhood.
An average of eight women die each day in Yemen due to child marriage, many of them in childbirth, according to the Arabic Sisters Forum. The group runs a hotline for victims of domestic violence and has been lobbying in support of a minimum marriage age now under consideration by the Yemeni parliament.
Pushing against the proposed law is the strong hand of Islamic conservatives in Yemen. Clerics have declared women like Amal Basha apostates from Islam for opposing child marriage, which they see as divinely ordained. The government, she says, is intimidated by the religious and tribal customs.
"They say this is Islamic…and they declared jihad against... the UN treaty on women's rights," she said.
"They say my campaign is a Western agenda, that it will lead to sex out of wedlock and prostitution," Basha said.

International groups like UNICEF and Oxfam have also lobbied for the rights of child brides, but tread carefully around what has become a explosive political issue.
"It's a deeply embedded social habit," said Naseem Rehman, a UNICEF spokesman told ABC News last year from in Sana'a. "For every one child marriage we can stop there are five more." Source.
There's no way around it. We're doing another show on child-brides this weekend. (The sad part is that Muslims like Yahya will be more upset with us doing a show on child-brides than they are when little girls are hospitalized or killed.)

Dead Yemeni Child Bride Tied Up, Raped, Says Mom
SHUEBA, Yemen (AP) -- A 13-year-old Yemeni child bride who bled to death shortly after marriage was tied down and forced to have sex by her husband, according to interviews with the child's mother, police and medical reports.
The girl's mother, Nijma Ahmed, 50, told the Associated Press that before her daughter lost consciousness, she said that her husband had tied her up and forced himself on her. ''She looked like she was butchered,'' she said about her daughter's injuries.
Elham Assi, 13, bled to death hours after she spoke to her mother and just days after she was married to a 23-year-old man. She died on April 2 in the deeply poor Yemeni village of Shueba, some 200 kilometers northwest of the capital. Her husband, Abed al-Hikmi, is in police custody.
The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen where a quarter of all females marry before the age of 15, according to a 2009 report by the country's Ministry of Social Affairs. Traditional families prefer young brides because they are seen as more obedient and are expected to have more children.
Legislation to ban child brides has been stalled by opposition from religious leaders. There has been no government comment over the case.
The girl -- one of eight siblings -- was pushed into marriage after an agreement between her brother and her future-husband to marry each other's sisters to avoid having to pay expensive bride-prices -- a common arrangement in Yemen, the poorest country in the Middle East.
According to police notes from the interrogation of the husband, he was upset because he could not consummate their relationship and felt under pressure to prove his manhood.
Assi's mother said she also tried to persuade her daughter to have sex with her husband so as not to shame the family.
Al-Hikmi took his young bride to a nearby medical clinic, asking a doctor there to administer her tranquilizers so she would not resist his advances. The clinic said it refused.
Al-Hikmi then obtained performance enhancing pills, according to the police interrogation, and that night completed the act while she screamed.
The next day, he returned to the same medical clinic carrying Assi because she could not walk.
''I told him not to go near her for at least ten days,'' said Dr. Fathiya Haidar. She said Assi's vaginal canal was ripped.

A forensic report obtained by the AP showed that Assi's injuries were much more extensive, including extensive tearing around the vagina and rectum, suggesting that there might have been additional intercourse after the clinic visit.
Her mother said she visited Assi later that day, where she found her daughter fading in and out of consciousness.
''She whispered in my ear that he had tied her up and had sex with her violently,'' she said. ''I said to her husband, what have you done, you criminal?''
She said al-Hikmi told her that the young bride was just possessed by spirits and said he would take her to a folk healer to cast them out. Hours later, Assi was dead.
''She asked me to stay beside her,'' her mother said.
The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen and has drawn the attention of international rights groups seeking to pressure the government to outlaw child marriages.
''Early marriage places girls at increased risk of dropping out of school, being exposed to violence, abuse and exploitation, and even losing their lives from pregnancy, childbirth and other complications,'' said UNICEF's regional director Sigrid Kaag, in a statement Wednesday condemning the death.
A February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. The committee is expected to make a final decision on the legislation this month.
The issue of Yemen's child brides received widespread attention three years ago when an 8-year-old girl boldly went by herself to a courtroom and demanded a judge dissolve her marriage to a man in his 30s. She eventually won a divorce.
In September, a 12-year-old Yemeni child-bride died after struggling for three days in labor to give birth, a local human rights organization said. Source.


Saudi Arabia: 80-Year-Old Muslim Marries 11-Year-Old Child
Now where on earth would a Muslim get the idea that it's perfectly acceptable for an elderly man to have sex with a child?
News of a Saudi octogenarian marrying an eleven-year-old girl has outraged human rights activists amid calls on the government to regulate the marriage of underage girls, local media reported Saturday.
The Saudi National Human Rights Commission formed a committee to investigate the marriage, which activists consider a flagrant violation of human and children rights, the Saudi newspaper al-Riyadh said.
The marriage registrar, who was widely criticized since he agreed to seal the marriage contract knowing the girl's age, absolved himself of any blame.
"There is no law that prohibits the marriage of a girl under 18," he told the paper. "Plus, I summoned the girl and she declared her consent and signed the contract." . . .
The groom expressed his surprise at how the media leveled harsh criticism against him and his family for marrying the girl.
"It is very simple. We didn’t do anything wrong. It is a valid contract that meets all the conditions for marriage. What's the point of all this fuss?"
The groom has three other wives, all much younger, and they all have kids.


Muslim Apologist Declares: "There is no minimum age for sex in Islam"
In the comments section of a previous post on Muhammad and Aisha, Osama Abdallah offers several criteria for a male or female Muslim to get married. His conclusion, however, is startling:
"So again, there is no number of minimum age in Islam, nor is the female having her first period a condition."
Osama rightly points out (as Surah 65:4 proclaims), that Muslim men are free to have sex with girls who haven't reached puberty, so long as certain other conditions obtain. According to Osama, those conditions are as follows:
1- The person "balagha ashudduh" has reached the age of physical strength. This obviously varies from person to person. A 9 or 10-year old girl might be ready for marriage, while a 14-year old might not.
2- The person (male and female) is not "tifl" (child). Again, this is more of a mental condition and it too varies from person to person.
3- The females have become "FATAYA" (young ladies or young females or young teenage females, or young women). So a female who is still a child and not a fatah (singlular of fataya) is not permitted to get married.
4- The males have reached the age of "hulum". Hulum means had an ejaculation of semen either while awake or during sleep. Boys before this stage are also not permitted to get married, in Islam.


Well, I have a challenge for Osama and other Muslims who claim that they want to defend Muhammad, since I don't believe they're really willing to defend him. Here's the question for them, and I hope they will respond clearly and honestly.

QUESTION FOR MUSLIM MEN: SUPPOSE YOU LIVED IN A COUNTRY WITH SHARIA-COMPLIANT MARRIAGE LAWS. FURTHER, IF YOU'RE ALREADY MARRIED, PRETEND FOR A MOMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT. IF YOU WERE SEEKING A MARRIAGE PARTNER, AND A SUITABLE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE PARENTS OF A NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL COULD BE MADE, AND THE GIRL WAS INTELLIGENT AND ABLE TO DO HOUSEHOLD CHORES, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MARRY HER AND HAVE SEX WITH HER?
There's the challenge. Now let's see who's really willing to stand up for Muhammad.

Response to Javier on Child Brides
I say something like "Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was nine" (factual statement), or "Muslims in Nigeria are resisting a minimum-age law for marriage" (factual statement). Then a Muslim replies with a series of speculations, fallacies, or outright deception, as if these are enough to answer my factual statements. Let's consider Javier's comments as a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
JAVIER: David Wood you very well know that the Christians in Africa do this kind of act and in India hindus and Christians,Muslims marry girls at very low age which is a bit more prevailant with poor people.
So, since Christians, Muslims, and Hindus have been known to marry girls at a young age, I'm somehow being inconsistent when I point out that Muslims do it. Does this response refute my point? Not at all. My point is that Muslims demand the right to have sex with nine-year-old girls because that's what Muhammad did. A Christian would have no basis for making such an argument. Hence, there's a tremendous difference here. Christians are free to act in the best interest of women. Muslims are held back morally by the example set by Muhammad.
JAVIER: And not to mention your God=Holy spirit=jesus sexually impregnated mary at 11 or 12 and joseph who was 90 years old when he married Mary at 12. Oops isn't that pedophilia according to Christians of today which means Jesus, joseph God was pedophile ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC.
According to my logic? Does my logic tell me that Mary was 11 or 12? Not at all. I don't believe she was that young, though Javier may feel free to provide evidence for his claim. Until he provides evidence, all he's given us is a baseless speculation (all too common in his comments). Apart from this, I can't figure out why Muslims compare the Christian view of Joseph with the Muslim view of Muhammad. Joseph isn't the source of any Christian doctrine. In other words, it wouldn't affect Christianity in the slightest if Joseph turned out to be, say, an axe-murderer. [Note to Christian readers: I'll ignore the fact that Javier said we believe that the Holy Spirit equals Jesus. Here Javier has displayed his ignorance of Christian doctrine, but there's really no point in correcting him.]
JAVIER: PROOF=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm
Now here's an amazing thing. Javier gives us a link and calls it "proof" that Mary was "11 or 12." Nowhere does this article say that Mary was 11 or 12! Indeed, the only reference to Mary's age is based on apocryphal writings that say she was "twelve to fourteen years of age." However, the text also says that these apocryphal accounts are unreliable, so I'm not sure how this qualifies as "proof," in any sense of the word.
So what do we have? As proof that Mary was "11 or 12," Javier links to an article which says that unreliable accounts list her age as 12 to 14. Is there any "proof" here that Mary was 11 or 12? Not a shred. [Nor is there any proof that Joseph was "90 years old." Again, this is based on apocryphal accounts. However, if Javier is willing to grant that everything in these apocryphal accounts is correct, I'd like to share a few passages with him. If Javier is consistent, he'll have to reject Islam and become a Christian! The only alternative is for him to reject the apocrypha. But if he rejects the apocrypha, why would he point to such texts as "proof" Sheer inconsistency!]
JAVIER: And marrying girls at one year old is a direct violation of islamic law unless she reached puberty and is capable of making decision.
I would like for Javier to show me this law in a reliable source. Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and she certainly hadn't reached puberty at that age. Moreover, the Qur'an disagrees with Javier on this. Surah 65:4 gives Muslims rules on how to divorce a girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. It's clear that if Muslims are allowed to divorce prepubescent girls, they are allowed to marry prepubescent girls. [Notice, everyone, that Javier makes a claim that runs contrary to both his prophet and the Qur'an. This is all too common in Islam.]
JAVIER: People in Africa, Asia tend to give away their daughter because of poverty its not an Islamic problem, its cultural problem. yes there are exceptions.
It's an Islamic problem when people refuse to act in the best interest of little girls because Muhammad is considered to be the greatest moral example in history. The United Nations has been begging Muslim countries to make laws that will protect little girls, but men who follow the example of Muhammad will always resist such laws.
JAVIER: But think about the Christian priest molesting children of all gender even males which is why the pope got really into it.
No true Christian will hesitate, for even a second, to say that these priests were sinning when they did this. Moreover, these priests certainly weren't following the example of Jesus when they molested children. Can Javier say the same about marrying young girls? Can he say (1) that Muslims who marry young girls aren't following the example of Muhammad, and (2) that men who marry young girls are sinning? I would like for Javier to say both of these.
JAVIER: And by the way Muslims countries are placing laws making it illegal to marry before 18 years of age.


Notice the generalization: "Muslim countries" (as if all Muslim countries are doing this). All Javier has said here is that Muslims in some Muslim countries, usually under pressure from the West, have decided to live better lives than Muhammad lived. Amen to that, my friends. I hope that all Muslims will reject Muhammad's example and will cease having sex with young girls.

Just to review, Javier claimed (a) that some Christians (not following the example of Jesus) have married young girls [IRRELEVANT, SINCE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OBJECTION]; (b) that Mary was 11 or 12 [SHEER SPECULATION, SINCE NOT EVEN THE SITE HE APPEALS TO AS "PROOF" SAYS THIS]; (c) that Muslim men may only marry girls who have reached puberty [HERE HE CONTRADICTS BOTH MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE AND THE QUR'AN]; (d) that this isn't a Muslim problem [DESPITE THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS ARE DEFENDING THIS PRACTICE BASED ON THE EXAMPLE OF MUHAMMAD]; (e) that certain Catholic priests have molested children [THIS RESPONSE IS SO BAD THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN QUALIFY AS A TU QUOQUE FALLACY; HE'S SIMPLY THROWN OUT A RANDOM ATTACK THAT DOES NOTHING TO ANSWER THE POINT]; and (f) that "Muslim countries" are deciding to follow the example of the West rather than the example of Muhammad [I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS HELPS HIS CASE].
The amazing thing is that, when most Muslims read a response like Javier's, they think he has thoroughly refuted the Christian argument. In reality, he has refuted absolutely nothing.

The difference is:

If Christians do it, IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE BIBLE TELLS THEM SO.

BUT IF MUSLIMS DO IT, IT IS THE COMMANDMENT OF ALLAH.

TELL ME IF YOU WANT ME TO POST YOU NEWS ABOUT IMAMS AND SHEIKS ABUSING THEIR STUDENTS SEXUALLY (Boys students).

AND HOW MANY MUSLIMS ARE ON TRIAL FOR RAPE ALL OVER THE WORLD?

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THEIR DEFENSE IN COURT?

ALLAH SAYS IT'S LEGAL FOR MUSLIMS TO RAPE NON MUSLIMS! HOW PATHETIC!

rcla23: Child Bride Horrors Last a Lifetime

Qur’an 21:107—We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.


I. QUR’AN ON SEX WITH PREPUBESCENT GIRLS

Qur’an 65:4 (Shakir)—And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

Qur’an 65:4 (Hilali-Khan)—And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

Qur’an 33:49 (Hilali-Khan)—O you who believe! When you marry believing women, and then divorce them before you have sexual intercourse with them, no 'Iddah [divorce prescribed period, see (V.65:4)] have you to count in respect of them. So give them a present, and set them free i.e. divorce, in a handsome manner.

II. COMMENTARY ON 65:4

Tafsir Ibn Kathir (on Qur’an 65:4)—Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn (on Qur’an 65:4)—And [as for] those of your women who (read allà'ï or allà'i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months.
Tafsir Ibn Abbas (on Qur’an 65:4)—(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: "O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?" (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.

Maududi, Tafhim al-Qur'an (on Qur’an 65:4)—Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible.

III. HADITH ON MUHAMMAD’S RELATIONSHIP WITH AISHA

Sahih al-Bukhari 3895—“. . . and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 5133—“. . . and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.”
Sahih Muslim 3309—“. . . and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine.”
Sahih Muslim 3311—“ . . . and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her . . .”
Sunan Abu Dawud 2116—“Aisha said: . . . He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 6130—“Narrated Aishah: ‘I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet’ . . . The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty. (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13).”
Sahih al-Bukhari 5236—“Narrated Aishah: The Prophet was screening me with his Rida . . . So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) . . . should be treated in this respect.”

Western Muslims are typically quite embarrassed by the fact that Muhammad had sex with a nine-year-old girl, and Muslim apologists are doing everything in their power to rewrite history in order to rescue their prophet from criticism. But are they willing to rewrite the Qur'an as well?
According to Surah 2:228, if a Muslim man wants to divorce his wife, he should wait until she has gone through three monthly cycles (i.e. three periods). But the question later arose: What are men who want a divorce supposed to do when their wives, for whatever reason, do not have monthly cycles? The Qur'an answers this question in Surah 65:4, where it gives divorce rules for:
(1) women who do not have monthly cycles because they are too old,
(2) girls who do not have monthly cycles because they are too young, and
(3) women and girls who do not have monthly cycles because they are pregnant. The verse declares that, if Muslim men want to divorce girls who haven't yet reached puberty, they must wait three months (after having sex with them).

Here are some translations of Surah 65:4.
Qur'an 65:4 (Shakir)--And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.
Qur'an 65:4 (Arberry)--As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.
Qur'an 65:4 (Yusuf Ali)--Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.
Qur'an 65:4 (Hilali-Khan)--And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.
Qur'an 65:4 (Sher Ali)--And if you are in doubt as to the prescribed period for such of your women as have despaired of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and also for such as do not have their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears ALLAH, HE will provide facilities for him in his affair.
Qur'an 65:4 (Rodwell)--As to such of your wives as have no hope of the recurrence of their times, if ye have doubts in regard to them, then reckon three months, and let the same be the term of those who have not yet had them. And as to those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. God will make His command easy to him who feareth Him.

Here are three classic Muslim commentaries on 65:4.
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (on Qur’an 65:4)—Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn (on Qur’an 65:4)—And [as for] those of your women who (read allà'ï or allà'i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months.
Tafsir Ibn Abbas (on Qur’an 65:4)—(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: "O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?" (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.

For Muslims who want to say that this verse could refer to divorcing prepubescent girls whose husbands haven't had sex with them, the Qur'an refutes this claim. Surah 33:49 says that there is no waiting period if a man has not had sex with his bride.
Qur'an 33:49--O ye who believe! When ye marry believing women, and then divorce them before ye have touched them, no period of 'Iddat have ye to count in respect of them: so give them a present. And set them free in a handsome manner.

Hence, the Qur'an says that there is no waiting period if a man hasn't had sex with his bride, and the Qur'an prescribes a waiting period for men who want to divorce their prepubescent child-brides. This presupposes that the men have had sex with them, which means that the Qur'an allows sex with prepubescent girls. This shouldn't be surprising, since Muhammad himself had sex with a girl who hadn't reached puberty.





News On Child Brides [Culled from www.answeringmuslims.com by David Wood]
Another Yemeni Child-Bride Hospitalized with Sex-Related Injuries
Apparently, the Muslims in Yemen trust the Qur'an and Hadith more than they trust Yahya Snow and other Westernized reinterpreters of Islam. (Note that, according to religious authorities in Yemen, people like Yahya are apostates.)
An 11-year-old Yemeni girl who was was married to a man in country's Hajja province was hospitalized today with genital injuries, said a human rights group in Sanaa.
It was the second incident involving a child bride in the last week. A 13-year-old girl died after being sexually assaulted by her adult husband. Both girls were married in the country's rural Hajja province.
The 11-year-old girl was married last year only under the condition that the adult husband would wait until she reached puberty to consummate the marriage. He did not wait, nor do many of the men who marry young brides, says Amal Basha, director of the Arabic Sisters Forum.
An estimated 50 percent of women in Yemen are married before age 18, some as young as 8. Less than a week ago the Sana'a-based human rights group reported the death of a 13-year-old bride in the same rural area. The Associated Press reported the girl was allegedly raped, and that her 23-year-old husband is now in police custody.
"She looked like she was butchered," said the girl's mother, Nijma Ahmed. The AP also cited police a report saying the husband forced himself on his young bride, feeling under pressure to prove his manhood.
An average of eight women die each day in Yemen due to child marriage, many of them in childbirth, according to the Arabic Sisters Forum. The group runs a hotline for victims of domestic violence and has been lobbying in support of a minimum marriage age now under consideration by the Yemeni parliament.
Pushing against the proposed law is the strong hand of Islamic conservatives in Yemen. Clerics have declared women like Amal Basha apostates from Islam for opposing child marriage, which they see as divinely ordained. The government, she says, is intimidated by the religious and tribal customs.
"They say this is Islamic…and they declared jihad against... the UN treaty on women's rights," she said.
"They say my campaign is a Western agenda, that it will lead to sex out of wedlock and prostitution," Basha said.

International groups like UNICEF and Oxfam have also lobbied for the rights of child brides, but tread carefully around what has become a explosive political issue.
"It's a deeply embedded social habit," said Naseem Rehman, a UNICEF spokesman told ABC News last year from in Sana'a. "For every one child marriage we can stop there are five more." Source.
There's no way around it. We're doing another show on child-brides this weekend. (The sad part is that Muslims like Yahya will be more upset with us doing a show on child-brides than they are when little girls are hospitalized or killed.)

Dead Yemeni Child Bride Tied Up, Raped, Says Mom
SHUEBA, Yemen (AP) -- A 13-year-old Yemeni child bride who bled to death shortly after marriage was tied down and forced to have sex by her husband, according to interviews with the child's mother, police and medical reports.
The girl's mother, Nijma Ahmed, 50, told the Associated Press that before her daughter lost consciousness, she said that her husband had tied her up and forced himself on her. ''She looked like she was butchered,'' she said about her daughter's injuries.
Elham Assi, 13, bled to death hours after she spoke to her mother and just days after she was married to a 23-year-old man. She died on April 2 in the deeply poor Yemeni village of Shueba, some 200 kilometers northwest of the capital. Her husband, Abed al-Hikmi, is in police custody.
The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen where a quarter of all females marry before the age of 15, according to a 2009 report by the country's Ministry of Social Affairs. Traditional families prefer young brides because they are seen as more obedient and are expected to have more children.
Legislation to ban child brides has been stalled by opposition from religious leaders. There has been no government comment over the case.
The girl -- one of eight siblings -- was pushed into marriage after an agreement between her brother and her future-husband to marry each other's sisters to avoid having to pay expensive bride-prices -- a common arrangement in Yemen, the poorest country in the Middle East.
According to police notes from the interrogation of the husband, he was upset because he could not consummate their relationship and felt under pressure to prove his manhood.
Assi's mother said she also tried to persuade her daughter to have sex with her husband so as not to shame the family.
Al-Hikmi took his young bride to a nearby medical clinic, asking a doctor there to administer her tranquilizers so she would not resist his advances. The clinic said it refused.
Al-Hikmi then obtained performance enhancing pills, according to the police interrogation, and that night completed the act while she screamed.
The next day, he returned to the same medical clinic carrying Assi because she could not walk.
''I told him not to go near her for at least ten days,'' said Dr. Fathiya Haidar. She said Assi's vaginal canal was ripped.

A forensic report obtained by the AP showed that Assi's injuries were much more extensive, including extensive tearing around the vagina and rectum, suggesting that there might have been additional intercourse after the clinic visit.
Her mother said she visited Assi later that day, where she found her daughter fading in and out of consciousness.
''She whispered in my ear that he had tied her up and had sex with her violently,'' she said. ''I said to her husband, what have you done, you criminal?''
She said al-Hikmi told her that the young bride was just possessed by spirits and said he would take her to a folk healer to cast them out. Hours later, Assi was dead.
''She asked me to stay beside her,'' her mother said.
The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen and has drawn the attention of international rights groups seeking to pressure the government to outlaw child marriages.
''Early marriage places girls at increased risk of dropping out of school, being exposed to violence, abuse and exploitation, and even losing their lives from pregnancy, childbirth and other complications,'' said UNICEF's regional director Sigrid Kaag, in a statement Wednesday condemning the death.
A February 2009 law set the minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed and sent back to parliament's constitutional committee for review after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic. The committee is expected to make a final decision on the legislation this month.
The issue of Yemen's child brides received widespread attention three years ago when an 8-year-old girl boldly went by herself to a courtroom and demanded a judge dissolve her marriage to a man in his 30s. She eventually won a divorce.
In September, a 12-year-old Yemeni child-bride died after struggling for three days in labor to give birth, a local human rights organization said. Source.


Saudi Arabia: 80-Year-Old Muslim Marries 11-Year-Old Child
Now where on earth would a Muslim get the idea that it's perfectly acceptable for an elderly man to have sex with a child?
News of a Saudi octogenarian marrying an eleven-year-old girl has outraged human rights activists amid calls on the government to regulate the marriage of underage girls, local media reported Saturday.
The Saudi National Human Rights Commission formed a committee to investigate the marriage, which activists consider a flagrant violation of human and children rights, the Saudi newspaper al-Riyadh said.
The marriage registrar, who was widely criticized since he agreed to seal the marriage contract knowing the girl's age, absolved himself of any blame.
"There is no law that prohibits the marriage of a girl under 18," he told the paper. "Plus, I summoned the girl and she declared her consent and signed the contract." . . .
The groom expressed his surprise at how the media leveled harsh criticism against him and his family for marrying the girl.
"It is very simple. We didn’t do anything wrong. It is a valid contract that meets all the conditions for marriage. What's the point of all this fuss?"
The groom has three other wives, all much younger, and they all have kids.


Muslim Apologist Declares: "There is no minimum age for sex in Islam"
In the comments section of a previous post on Muhammad and Aisha, Osama Abdallah offers several criteria for a male or female Muslim to get married. His conclusion, however, is startling:
"So again, there is no number of minimum age in Islam, nor is the female having her first period a condition."
Osama rightly points out (as Surah 65:4 proclaims), that Muslim men are free to have sex with girls who haven't reached puberty, so long as certain other conditions obtain. According to Osama, those conditions are as follows:
1- The person "balagha ashudduh" has reached the age of physical strength. This obviously varies from person to person. A 9 or 10-year old girl might be ready for marriage, while a 14-year old might not.
2- The person (male and female) is not "tifl" (child). Again, this is more of a mental condition and it too varies from person to person.
3- The females have become "FATAYA" (young ladies or young females or young teenage females, or young women). So a female who is still a child and not a fatah (singlular of fataya) is not permitted to get married.
4- The males have reached the age of "hulum". Hulum means had an ejaculation of semen either while awake or during sleep. Boys before this stage are also not permitted to get married, in Islam.


Well, I have a challenge for Osama and other Muslims who claim that they want to defend Muhammad, since I don't believe they're really willing to defend him. Here's the question for them, and I hope they will respond clearly and honestly.

QUESTION FOR MUSLIM MEN: SUPPOSE YOU LIVED IN A COUNTRY WITH SHARIA-COMPLIANT MARRIAGE LAWS. FURTHER, IF YOU'RE ALREADY MARRIED, PRETEND FOR A MOMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT. IF YOU WERE SEEKING A MARRIAGE PARTNER, AND A SUITABLE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE PARENTS OF A NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL COULD BE MADE, AND THE GIRL WAS INTELLIGENT AND ABLE TO DO HOUSEHOLD CHORES, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MARRY HER AND HAVE SEX WITH HER?
There's the challenge. Now let's see who's really willing to stand up for Muhammad.

Response to Javier on Child Brides
I say something like "Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was nine" (factual statement), or "Muslims in Nigeria are resisting a minimum-age law for marriage" (factual statement). Then a Muslim replies with a series of speculations, fallacies, or outright deception, as if these are enough to answer my factual statements. Let's consider Javier's comments as a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
JAVIER: David Wood you very well know that the Christians in Africa do this kind of act and in India hindus and Christians,Muslims marry girls at very low age which is a bit more prevailant with poor people.
So, since Christians, Muslims, and Hindus have been known to marry girls at a young age, I'm somehow being inconsistent when I point out that Muslims do it. Does this response refute my point? Not at all. My point is that Muslims demand the right to have sex with nine-year-old girls because that's what Muhammad did. A Christian would have no basis for making such an argument. Hence, there's a tremendous difference here. Christians are free to act in the best interest of women. Muslims are held back morally by the example set by Muhammad.
JAVIER: And not to mention your God=Holy spirit=jesus sexually impregnated mary at 11 or 12 and joseph who was 90 years old when he married Mary at 12. Oops isn't that pedophilia according to Christians of today which means Jesus, joseph God was pedophile ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC.
According to my logic? Does my logic tell me that Mary was 11 or 12? Not at all. I don't believe she was that young, though Javier may feel free to provide evidence for his claim. Until he provides evidence, all he's given us is a baseless speculation (all too common in his comments). Apart from this, I can't figure out why Muslims compare the Christian view of Joseph with the Muslim view of Muhammad. Joseph isn't the source of any Christian doctrine. In other words, it wouldn't affect Christianity in the slightest if Joseph turned out to be, say, an axe-murderer. [Note to Christian readers: I'll ignore the fact that Javier said we believe that the Holy Spirit equals Jesus. Here Javier has displayed his ignorance of Christian doctrine, but there's really no point in correcting him.]
JAVIER: PROOF=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm
Now here's an amazing thing. Javier gives us a link and calls it "proof" that Mary was "11 or 12." Nowhere does this article say that Mary was 11 or 12! Indeed, the only reference to Mary's age is based on apocryphal writings that say she was "twelve to fourteen years of age." However, the text also says that these apocryphal accounts are unreliable, so I'm not sure how this qualifies as "proof," in any sense of the word.
So what do we have? As proof that Mary was "11 or 12," Javier links to an article which says that unreliable accounts list her age as 12 to 14. Is there any "proof" here that Mary was 11 or 12? Not a shred. [Nor is there any proof that Joseph was "90 years old." Again, this is based on apocryphal accounts. However, if Javier is willing to grant that everything in these apocryphal accounts is correct, I'd like to share a few passages with him. If Javier is consistent, he'll have to reject Islam and become a Christian! The only alternative is for him to reject the apocrypha. But if he rejects the apocrypha, why would he point to such texts as "proof" Sheer inconsistency!]
JAVIER: And marrying girls at one year old is a direct violation of islamic law unless she reached puberty and is capable of making decision.
I would like for Javier to show me this law in a reliable source. Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and she certainly hadn't reached puberty at that age. Moreover, the Qur'an disagrees with Javier on this. Surah 65:4 gives Muslims rules on how to divorce a girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. It's clear that if Muslims are allowed to divorce prepubescent girls, they are allowed to marry prepubescent girls. [Notice, everyone, that Javier makes a claim that runs contrary to both his prophet and the Qur'an. This is all too common in Islam.]
JAVIER: People in Africa, Asia tend to give away their daughter because of poverty its not an Islamic problem, its cultural problem. yes there are exceptions.
It's an Islamic problem when people refuse to act in the best interest of little girls because Muhammad is considered to be the greatest moral example in history. The United Nations has been begging Muslim countries to make laws that will protect little girls, but men who follow the example of Muhammad will always resist such laws.
JAVIER: But think about the Christian priest molesting children of all gender even males which is why the pope got really into it.
No true Christian will hesitate, for even a second, to say that these priests were sinning when they did this. Moreover, these priests certainly weren't following the example of Jesus when they molested children. Can Javier say the same about marrying young girls? Can he say (1) that Muslims who marry young girls aren't following the example of Muhammad, and (2) that men who marry young girls are sinning? I would like for Javier to say both of these.
JAVIER: And by the way Muslims countries are placing laws making it illegal to marry before 18 years of age.


Notice the generalization: "Muslim countries" (as if all Muslim countries are doing this). All Javier has said here is that Muslims in some Muslim countries, usually under pressure from the West, have decided to live better lives than Muhammad lived. Amen to that, my friends. I hope that all Muslims will reject Muhammad's example and will cease having sex with young girls.

Just to review, Javier claimed (a) that some Christians (not following the example of Jesus) have married young girls [IRRELEVANT, SINCE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OBJECTION]; (b) that Mary was 11 or 12 [SHEER SPECULATION, SINCE NOT EVEN THE SITE HE APPEALS TO AS "PROOF" SAYS THIS]; (c) that Muslim men may only marry girls who have reached puberty [HERE HE CONTRADICTS BOTH MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE AND THE QUR'AN]; (d) that this isn't a Muslim problem [DESPITE THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS ARE DEFENDING THIS PRACTICE BASED ON THE EXAMPLE OF MUHAMMAD]; (e) that certain Catholic priests have molested children [THIS RESPONSE IS SO BAD THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN QUALIFY AS A TU QUOQUE FALLACY; HE'S SIMPLY THROWN OUT A RANDOM ATTACK THAT DOES NOTHING TO ANSWER THE POINT]; and (f) that "Muslim countries" are deciding to follow the example of the West rather than the example of Muhammad [I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS HELPS HIS CASE].
The amazing thing is that, when most Muslims read a response like Javier's, they think he has thoroughly refuted the Christian argument. In reality, he has refuted absolutely nothing.

please review:

https://www.nairaland.com/846958/tell-me-why-mohammed-married

and here:
https://www.nairaland.com/844091/cannibalism-bible/4#10071791

rcla23: The difference is:

If Christians do it, IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE BIBLE TELLS THEM SO.

BUT IF MUSLIMS DO IT, IT IS THE COMMANDMENT OF ALLAH.

TELL ME IF YOU WANT ME TO POST YOU NEWS ABOUT IMAMS AND SHEIKS ABUSING THEIR STUDENTS SEXUALLY (Boys students).

AND HOW MANY MUSLIMS ARE ON TRIAL FOR RAPE ALL OVER THE WORLD?

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THEIR DEFENSE IN COURT?

ALLAH SAYS IT'S LEGAL FOR MUSLIMS TO RAPE NON MUSLIMS! HOW PATHETIC!

you are mentally disturbed.

it seems that you got after seeing all my threads i gathered for your likes on christianity:

"Demolishing The Falsehood Of Christianity And Its Bible":

https://www.nairaland.com/739943/demolishing-falsehood-christianity-bible

Catholic, Christian and Islamic ....
It's the same story with a different title.
Pedop.hilia and sexual deviance of all kinds ...
There are different ...
Some blame the devil who commit ra.pe, others say that Allah permits.
All garbage.