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Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Nobody: 7:15am On Jan 13, 2012
Remove the gadem subsidy once and for all and let us hold the executive to their promise with same determination we used in the political protest instead of the phases that will bring about different challenges
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by jude33084(m): 7:25am On Jan 13, 2012
this question is nt properly ask hence those against it made their opinion so loud.
Nomally, no Nigerian that wont want a better future. The organisers of this pole shld add "gradual removal" I bet u, 80% to 90% will click it.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Nobody: 7:34am On Jan 13, 2012
If this government didnt turn nigeria to paradise with the trillions in our yearly budgets is it N1.something trillion that is now the saving grace? We know the cancer to kill lets kill it.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kobojunkie: 7:35am On Jan 13, 2012
If you are going to hold the executive to any promise, at least be sure to know that the executive made you good promises. So far, all we have heard of are out of this world nonsensical plans to use the Billions of dollars saved to fund projects that, if you looked in the budget, we have funded so many times in the past with near no significant improvement and still no clue where all that money went. This is the same FG which, just a couple of months ago, admitted to having failed in managing over 20,000 projects -- it has no track record of where money allocated for over 20,000 similar projects, as the one's it is currently, proposing more money for, went.


We finally have billions of dollars, which I expected would in finally tackling some pressing need like development of the Education sector, but NOOOOOO . . . . a whole Federal Government seems more concerned about injecting the billions of dollars it finally has access to, into road transportation.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Ngwakwe: 7:36am On Jan 13, 2012
Do you know that there are more hungry and homeless people in USA compare to South East Nigeria? What's the magic?
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Tabon: 7:43am On Jan 13, 2012
76% of Nigerians that support subsidy back are fools and lazy. There is nowhere in d world where fuel is subsidised except Nigeria. Things are difficult but very soon it will be better. If Gej does not tackle this issue now, then we have mortgaged d future of our children.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kay1kay1(m): 7:46am On Jan 13, 2012
N65 plus 10 kobo is as good as N141. Remember, there is still zero consumer protection and 100% voodoo economics. . .
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by nasty45(m): 7:47am On Jan 13, 2012
@OP DS IS D dumbest post i'v read so far on nairaland.u want an opinion poll why dont go tru every post on ds issues on nairaland and com out wit a verdict.i c ds as a wasted thread.SEUN U DON FALL MY HAND.AS 4 DS BEAF GUY U R SUCH A PSYCHOPHANT.I WISH DEY NEVA GAVE BIRTH TO U.I PITY UR MUM
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kobojunkie: 7:49am On Jan 13, 2012
Tabon:

76% of Nigerians that support subsidy back are fools and lazy. There is nowhere in d world where fuel is subsidised except Nigeria. Things are difficult but very soon it will be better. If Gej does not tackle this issue now, then we have mortgaged d future of our children.

If you are going to insult others, at least make sure you are not the fool and lazy one. I mean if you were not a fool and a lazy being yourself, you would not have had need to tell the lie in bold now, would you?

A simple google check would have at least saved your soul from that level of laziness and probably foolishness as well

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/167975/reftab/96/Default.aspx

http://gulfnews.com/business/oil-gas/fuel-subsidies-cost-saudi-arabia-50b-riyals-a-year-1.815089

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eluniversal.com%2Feconomia%2F111004%2Fcost-of-venezuelas-fuel-subsidy-up-194-in-three-years&ei=2NMPT5KaOOq_0QGNnJHcCw&usg=AFQjCNEdQymSbeGIU_PFbzLBsNsC4Trfxw&sig2=enJdKGE30j0V6ebj1H-9UQ
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by TopAnalyst(m): 7:56am On Jan 13, 2012
Ozin:

Remove the gadem subsidy once and for all and let us hold the executive to their promise with same determination we used in the political protest instead of the phases that will bring about different challenges

It's obvious you're out of touch with the reality on ground in the country. When last did you visit the country? Did you see poverty everywhere? If you did see it, you won't suggest a removal of subsidy.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by TopAnalyst(m): 8:00am On Jan 13, 2012
Tabon:

76% of Nigerians that support subsidy back are fools and lazy. There is nowhere in d world where fuel is subsidised except Nigeria. Things are difficult but very soon it will be better. If Gej does not tackle this issue now, then we have mortgaged d future of our children.

Read my post on this topic and get more knowledge. Knowledge is Power! I can see you need some power.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-844971.0.html
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by seunlayi(m): 8:01am On Jan 13, 2012
in this case, their is no winner or loser if the price of fuel is returned to 65. But we should be ready to return to the era of fuel scarcity as govt will want to reduce the rate of import of the product, most of the marketers will loose their right to import the product which were given to them to ease fuel scarcity (least we have forgotten) then.  In addition to these, marketers will now form the habit of hoarding and reckless pricing of the product in view that the subsidy will certainly be removed at a certain date. Therefore, be ready to queue to get your petrol.

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Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by seunlayi(m): 8:01am On Jan 13, 2012
in this case, their is no winner or loser if the price of fuel is returned to 65. But we should be ready to return to the era of fuel scarcity as govt will want to reduce the rate of import of the product, most of the marketers will loose their right to import the product which were given to them to ease fuel scarcity (least we have forgotten) then.  In addition to these, marketers will now form the habit of hoarding and reckless pricing of the product in view that the subsidy will certainly be removed at a certain date. Therefore, be ready to queue to get your petrol.

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Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kobojunkie: 8:08am On Jan 13, 2012
seunlayi:

in this case, their is no winner or loser if the price of fuel is returned to 65. But we should be ready to return to the era of fuel scarcity as govt will want to reduce the rate of import of the product, most of the marketers will loose their right to import the product which were given to them to ease fuel scarcity (least we have forgotten) then.  In addition to these, marketers will now form the habit of hoarding and reckless pricing of the product in view that the subsidy will certainly be removed at a certain date. Therefore, be ready to queue to get your petrol.

How much do you pay for fuel refined in Nigeria? Doesn't it cost the same as imported?
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by success4(m): 8:15am On Jan 13, 2012
Tabon:

76% of Nigerians that support subsidy back are fools and lazy. There is nowhere in d world where fuel is subsidised except Nigeria. Things are difficult but very soon it will be better. If Gej does not tackle this issue now, then we have mortgaged d future of our children.

On the black bolded, a fool easily call others fool! shocked shocked shocked

On the red bolded, Kobojunkie has a great response to it grin grin grin
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by guonno: 8:20am On Jan 13, 2012
FUEL SUBSIDY SHOULD BE REMOVED. IF WE DID NOT SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THE MONEY, THEN WE CAN PROTEST AND OCCUPY NIGERIA UNTIll they start doing things. WE CAN ALSO PROTEST NEXT YEAR FOR THE COST OF GOVERNANCE TO BE REDUCED, AND NOT NOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS WILLING TO DO WHAT THE PAST GOVERNMENT DID. AM ON THE SIDE OF GOVERNMENT!
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by velo10: 8:23am On Jan 13, 2012
Tabon:

76% of Nigerians that support subsidy back are fools and lazy. There is nowhere in d world where fuel is subsidised except Nigeria. Things are difficult but very soon it will be better. If Gej does not tackle this issue now, then we have mortgaged d future of our children.

Look at this numbskull insulting people
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by tojos(m): 8:26am On Jan 13, 2012
Lets get this clear:

Those protesting the subsidy removal are either the CABALS or their supporters, and are enemies of the country.

Returning the subsidy would continue to further enrich these CABALS (including Boko Haram).

Phased removal of the subsidy would still favour these CABALS and would also result in panic buying.

Since independent, Nigeria with its abaundant resources is yet to achieve development, and removing this subsidy is a
step in the right direction towards achieving that.

NLC should redirect their protest towards increase in minimum wage (18000 - 30000) and subsidizing the transport sector as it done in other countries so that cost of transport and items would not be high, instead of agitating for a reversal to N65/ltr, whereas there is no provision for fuel subsidy in the budget.

NLC should protest for the judicious use of the fund that would be generated  by the subsidy removal.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Emmzalon: 8:27am On Jan 13, 2012
Arguments wont be really based on d fact dat its illtimed,though its d case. But i'll quickly talk abt d total subsidising of all d political agents and leaders' lives,apart 4rm d cabals,all dis pple we knw pays 4 nafin and we knw dat. I was listening to d town hall meeting last yr,sanusi was sayin he dosnt knw where any oil statn is in 9ja,nt even one,because of wat?, because govt as already handld dat 4 him, and many many tins like dat. 3million is too much a day 4 president and family to eat a day,we've nt even talk abt d entatainment allowance which is 1billion. Salaries of d house of rep and d senators are enuf 2 cater 4 dem,den why d questnable allowances,why? All dis can be re'shuffld and d money obtaind 4rm d reshuffling cld be use 4 all dis budgets dey want to embark on. Instead of HIJACKING d only way we(masses)benefits 4rm dem,why cnt dey hijack d un-used money,d questnable allowances to embark on the project, ?
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kobojunkie: 8:32am On Jan 13, 2012
tojos:

Lets get this clear:
Those protesting the subsidy removal are either the CABALS or their supporters, and are enemies of the country.
Returning the subsidy would continue to further enrich these CABALS (including Boko Haram).
Phased removal of the subsidy would still favour these CABALS and would also result in panic buying.

So, with your reasoning, anyone who cannot afford Naira 140 for fuel and decides to protest against the almost 200% price hike is a member of the OJUJU Cabal or a supporter?

Also, when Jonathan went on LiveTV, about 3 weeks ago to announce that there was NO CABAL, stating that they were mostly legitimate marketers, doing business by the law, he did it not knowing that YOU had already had the information of this CABAL more than he did? How come you did not update him before that appearance of his?

And here I thought we have finally been told that Ignorance is not bliss but I see you are just living in bliss with that level of ignorance there . . . .  what is your secret?
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by missuzoma: 8:45am On Jan 13, 2012
I dont want subsidy back. Not sustenable and tired of it cropping up all the time.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by benzion72(m): 8:45am On Jan 13, 2012
There is no subsidy in Nigeria what we have is corruption. How come it is only nigeria of all crude oil producing nation that does not have functional refinery. How can you subsidise oil being dug up from the land in Niger Delta. It is like telling me you are subsidising yam planted in Ekiti or groundnut planted in kano it is all fraud
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kobojunkie: 8:48am On Jan 13, 2012
benzion72:

There is no subsidy in Nigeria what we have is corruption. How come it is only nigeria of all crude oil producing nation that does not have functional refinery. How can you subsidise oil being dug up from the land in Niger Delta. It is like telling me you are subsidising yam planted in Ekiti or groundnut planted in kano it is all fraud

Your analogy there is a bit off. You do not dig up FUEL in the Niger Delta. No, what you dig up is crude oil, which then needs to be processed  to get you FUEL. Since Nigeria does not have the Processing capacity it requires to be self sufficient, and the cost of refined crude is expensive for the average Nigerian who lives on barely $2 a day, subsidy is introduced to reduce the burden for the common man.

The Subsidy is on FUEL and not on OIL.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kolababa: 8:49am On Jan 13, 2012
What nonsense are some pple saying here. If we have a serious government, we wouldn't be talking of subsidy. Sebi most of you are graduates, reason logically. Subsidy or no subsidy, the marketers will still make their money unless you stopped them from importing fuel. The burden of our government inefficiency has just been tactical shifted to the Nigerian masses while the government officials will continue allocationg 1 billion naira for food in a year. Pls dont fool yourself, Nigeria will continue borrowing in as much as our political office holders continue their profligacy and wasteful spendings and fortunately for them, some Nigerians are as daft as sheep in reasoning.
For your information, there is a secret plan by GEJ to include the members of the national assembly and their principal officers in the life pension so that the can support his tenure extension/ 7 yr single term bid he kept in the cooler. So those of you saying they should remove subsidy so that we will stop borrowing will be disappointed because with this, they will continue borrowing to finance their pockets. What happwn to our debt profile after the debt relief and we paid the remaining to the Paris Club.
Those of that think the removed subsidy money will be used for development, you are not Nigerians. When Jonathan shared the excess crude account despite some wise advice that he should not do so. What happen to the billions of naira shared to our governors. Sebi the governors deceived Jonathan that they would channel the money to infrastructural development. What happened then? My governor, Alao AKala started buying jeeps for wives of local govt chairmen, he bought for traditional rulers and all the political office holders. He bought some buses for NURTW and as I am writing now, we dont know the whereabout of those buses. He increased the security votes and looted the remaining.
So the same thing will happen to subsidy money they are shouting now.
PLS NIGERIANS, IF GOVT IS FOOLING YOU, DONT FOOL YOURSELF. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL CABAL MILKING OUR ECONOMY, GO AND LOOK FOR THE KPMG AUDIT REPORT ON NNPC. YOU WILL WEEP FOR NIGERIA.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by ocelot2006(m): 8:50am On Jan 13, 2012
As painful as it be, I urge the FG NOT to revert back to N65/litre for PMS. Why put more money in the pockets of the same cabal and smugglers? Do so, and the whole strike would have been for nothing.

It's time we forget about the subsidy and focus on the main problems that have plagued this great nation of ours. The ongoing strike must now place immense pressure on the FG to fight corruption, poor leadership, and wastage in government. We must also fight for a considerable reduction in the cost of governance, and push the govt to fast track a number of projects that will help in easing the negative effects of the subsidy removal, these being transportation facilities (particularly rail), investment in alternative sources of fuels like ethanol (ask the Brazilians), building of all four greenfield refineries, ethanol plants, and fertilizer plants, more power stations to increase the amount of power generated from its current level, full repairs of the nation's transmission and distribution systems (the grid must also be segmented/broken down), fasttrack the gas revolution.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by mrOops: 8:53am On Jan 13, 2012
The subsidy tingy is all about trust, commitment & transparency which past govt have not shown, if it is going to work this time, fine. At the moment, at this begining of the year, it should be reverted to #65.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kobojunkie: 8:54am On Jan 13, 2012
Why do we have to scrap the program because of the fuel smugglers? That is essentially what I believe happened. What next? Divide Nigeria because of MEND and Boko Haram? Or Maybe we scrap Education because of @Musiwa. ROFLMAO!!
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by seyi42k(m): 9:00am On Jan 13, 2012

[size=14pt]Subsidies and the China Price[/size]

by Usha C.V. Haley and George T. Haley


Many assume that China’s cost advantage in manufacturing comes from cheap labor. But in China’s burgeoning steel industry, our research suggests, massive government energy subsidies, not other factors, keep prices down. These subsidies have broad implications for how companies compete and collaborate with Chinese businesses.

In 2005, Beijing designated steel as a pillar industry for the Chinese economy. China was the world’s largest producer of steel, with 27% of global production, but until then it had imported 29 million tons of steel annually. That year, China suddenly transformed itself from a net steel importer to a net steel exporter. In 2006, the country became the world’s largest steel exporter by volume, up from the fifth largest in 2005. Today it remains the world’s largest consumer and producer of steel, with 40% of global production. How did China make these astonishing gains so quickly and manage to sell steel for about 19% less than steel from U.S. and European companies? Labor accounts for less than 10% of the costs of producing Chinese steel, and Chinese steel doesn’t appear to rely on scale economies, supply-chain proximities, or technological efficiencies to lower its costs.

Let’s look in detail at the probable source of this cost advantage. In research conducted with funding from the Alliance for American Manufacturing—work that draws heavily on our decade-long previous study of Chinese industry—we found that total energy subsidies to Chinese steel (from 2000 to midyear 2007) reached $27 billion. (See the exhibit “Energy, Subsidies, and Steel.”) About 95% of that amount was for coal. (These numbers are conservative best estimates, based on data from Chinese, U.S., and international agencies, industry associations, individual Chinese companies, and other sources.) Our analysis of the relationship between the increase in energy subsidies and the growth of Chinese steel production and steel exports showed a powerful statistical correlation; this is not a chance association.

Our research revealed that energy subsidies to the steel industry were paid to the energy sector and passed on through lower energy prices, which suggests that the energy supplied to China’s other manufacturing industries is subsidized as well. The steel industry may benefit disproportionately from energy subsidies because of its voracious appetite for coal, but the energy subsidies obviously help other industries too.

Foreign companies doing business in or with China or competing against Chinese rivals need to recognize a few things about subsidies. First, they can be abruptly affected by political forces. For example, the November 2007 World Trade Organization subsidy-reduction agreement between the U.S. and China cut export subsidies to foreign companies located in China but maintained subsidies to Chinese companies. This shows how subsidy-based cost advantages of foreign companies located in China can suddenly evaporate.

Second, companies that offshore to, or source or import from, China may suffer price shocks if they don’t discount fluctuating, subsidy-based cost advantages. Our research showed that under scrutiny, subsidies from Beijing often dry up, only to be replaced to varying degrees by subsidies from provincial and local governments, which use them to support employment, build self-sufficiency, and promote import substitution locally. Companies should establish relationships with industry and government officials in China so that they know the source of subsidies and can gauge the risk of reduction and subsequent price increases.

Before foreign companies cut other suppliers loose in favor of lower-priced Chinese sources, they should be mindful that Chinese firms’ prices may fluctuate abruptly as subsidies shift. Foreign firms should therefore retain some original supply relationships until Chinese suppliers prove reliable over the medium term.
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Usha C.V. Haley (uhaley@asia-pacific.com) is a professor of international business and the director of the Global Business Center, and George T. Haley (gthaley@asia-pacific.com) is a professor of industrial marketing and the director of the Center for International Industry Competitiveness, at the University of New Haven in Connecticut. The full report is available at www.americanmanufacturing.org.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Mayflowa(m): 9:00am On Jan 13, 2012
Am I to believe that, once again, rather than negotiating with ALL groups out there that comprise the Nigerian people, the Government has instead chosen to only negotiate this with the NLC?

If this is the case, then it is in the interest of every single Nigerian out there to inundate NLC with their requests and to demand the group make no groups with the Government that the people, as a majority, do not agree on.  ASUU, Market women's unions, Trade Associations, Professional Groups, etc, all ought to be at that negotiations table and all ought to be able to equally vote, since they are also groups that represent, to a degree, the Nigerian people.
I am not certain exactly when NLC became the only voice of Nigerians and it would it be sad if the Government has chosen to see it that way.

Apart from NLC/TUC, there are other organised civil society. This is call representation. Oh! Everyone can't be there.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by benzion72(m): 9:01am On Jan 13, 2012
@Kobojunkie why can't nigeria refineries work. Is PMS the only product coming from crude oil. Nigeria export 2Million barrel of crude everyday how much does that amount to @115/barrel multiply that by 365days. How did subsidy rose from 300Billion with GEJ to 1.3Trillion naira . Despite this huge revenue I am a local government I pay for generator, I pay for mai ruwa and I still load sand in a sack to fill my roads and change shork absorber every six month friends all na corruption and in efficiency
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Nobody: 9:02am On Jan 13, 2012
TopAnalyst:

It's obvious you're out of touch with the reality on ground in the country. When last did you visit the country? Did you see poverty everywhere? If you did see it, you won't suggest a removal of subsidy.

There is  no point in trying to tell you how many times I visit my beloved naija in a year since you may not believe.But permit me to say here and now that the last time i visited was in August,2011.stayed for 2 months and left in october,2011.Now that aside,let us assume I have not been to Naija in the last 15 years:are you saying i do not have brothers,sisters,mother,father,cousins,nephew,very close friends living permanently in that country?And of course some depend on me due to the hardship.But the same hardship was caused by those who ruled the country since 1960 and there must be a surgical operation which of course painful when it is done but will at the end of the day put things aright.
Re: Do You Want The Fuel Subsidy Back? Please Vote Here: by Kobojunkie: 9:03am On Jan 13, 2012
Mayflowa:

Apart from NLC/TUC, there are other organised civil society. This is call representation. Oh! Everyone can't be there.

What groups are out there apart from the NLC/TUC? I really would like to be informed on this.

And by whose rule can everyone not be there? Is this an exclusive party of some sort? We are talking of a National protest here . . . shouldn't everyone 'have a right to representation'?

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