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Brilliant analysis !!!!!!!!

, of course the media has everything to do with Islam,when was the last time you heard words like "the Christian Niger delta militants"?but if they had been Muslims, we would be sure to have heard words like"the Islamist Niger delta militants",
Ever heard of the shoe bomber or the crusaders?most likely not
Even though not many terrorist xtians exist,I know of few e.g
REVEREND KING
He was a Christian
And at least he knew most of the bible and he had followers
So it woulnt be unfair to judge all xtians like reverend king just as most xtians do not find it unfair to judge all Muslims like alqaeda and Boko haram
So I advise u to know Islam not Muslims

Reverend King was no killing muslims. Or attacking mosque.

Reverende King is a ritualist just like some Alhajis doing  money rituals.

Anybody can involve in dirty things to get rich. E.g. our oil cabals. Oil cabals/fraudsters has nothing to do with religion but dirty work/fraud. Reverend king is a criminal and not a bigot or racist. There are muslims and xtians amoung oil cabals. So reverend king has nothing to do with religion, but another desperate quick rich seeker. Muslims and xtians are doing yahoo yahoo, did anybody blame that on islam ?

Bible did not tell anybody to kill like reverend king is. But quran says they should do what they are doing.

That is the BIG difference.

adamaw2tuf:

denial and lies are the real problem with muslims especially the so called moderate ones,and if a murderer worships in the same place as you do, and goes on to murdering people in the name of your religion,then if you dont agree with him or he is not doing it in your interest, must fight him hard to stop what he does in the name of your religion and if you dont then you are even worse than he is period.so stop distancing yourselves from his devilish deeds when you dont do or refuse to do anything to stop him.when muslims in kosovo were fighting war with their christian neighbours who went to their rescue,not hezbollah,hamas,taliban,alqaida,muslim brotherhood or even iran and arabs but it was the americans and their nato allies, and you ll never ever mention it cos it is haram to say an infidel did a good deed to muslims, rubbish.

give honor to whom honor is due.

the bosnians were victims and americans helped for whatever interest they saw and that is good.that by no means does not mean the palestinians are not victims too.

also do we forget that the "terrorism" america cries from today chiefly perpetrated by alqaeda is the handiwork of the CIA?america made bin laden! also you need to distinguish between terrorism and resistance fighting groups against occupation like hamas and hezbollah.unfortunately the crimes of alqeda has played well into the hands of the zionists occupationists.they now use alqaeda to tarnish the image of every muslims carrying arms even if it is done rightly for the good reasons against occupation.that is how unfair the media is.

as usual, they leave the main point of discourse.

Question is, does d media contribute to it??


YES, it does.

who here never knew the power of the media. [/b]for example, the main stream media helped push the revolution in the arab world but did not give the Nigerian(almost) revolution , a tenth of such coverage. that tells you only one thing. they use it to achieve specific aims.  It is a thing of the mind and many have been gullible enough to take it all in.

how about you all being guilty too of judging the action of a few on  millions of others.

Dont ever forget, that [b]what makes you believe that God, or his son(whichever you call him) allowed himself to be nailed for your sins, when he could have forgiven you without is exactly what makes a suicide bomber believe a paradise is waiting for him by killing others.

islamrules:

Reverend King was no killing muslims. Or attacking mosque.

Reverende King is a ritualist just like some Alhajis doing  money rituals.

Anybody can involve in dirty things to get rich. E.g. our oil cabals. Oil cabals/fraudsters has nothing to do with religion but dirty work/fraud. Reverend king is a criminal and not a bigot or racist. There are muslims and xtians amoung oil cabals. So reverend king has nothing to do with religion, but another desperate quick rich seeker. Muslims and xtians are doing yahoo yahoo, did anybody blame that on islam ?

Bible did not tell anybody to kill like reverend king is. But quran says they should do what they are doing.

That is the BIG difference.

you are a fool!

that is where the problem lies.when christians create wars even though George Bush and Hitler were christians,it is not christianity that is judged.but when muslims rightly or wrongly use weapons,it is islam that goes to trial.

LagosShia:

you are a fool!

that is where the problem lies.when christians create wars even though George Bush and Hitler were christians,it is not christianity that is judged.but when muslims rightly or wrongly use weapons,it is islam that goes to trial.

Typical radical ISLAMIST response

With people like LagosShia who needs to give ISLAM a bad Image

Their violent anger is always bubbling beneath the surface about to explode at any given time without warning.

skydeexie:

How about these prayers of hate from Imams for a religion that is peaceful. It has nothing to do with the media. The media reports as it sees it.

Popular Egyptian preacher, Sheikh Muhammad al-Zoghbi, was taped invoking his god thusly:

"May Allah cut your tongue out! May he freeze the blood in your veins! May he inflict you with cancer and allow you no reprieve… Allah, strike them with all sorts of disease, afflictions and pain! Allah, strike them with cancer! Allah, let your prophet overpower them! Allah destroy them! Allah destroy them! Allah destroy them! Allah destroy the criminals who challenge the noble prophet! [Then, very serenely addressing his Muslim viewers:] And peace upon you, and Allah's mercy and blessings."

Likewise, Sheikh Abdullah Nihari supplicated Allah with outstretched arms accordingly:

"Lord, Lord, we condemn them before you!! Freeze the blood in their veins!!
Strike them with evil, or at the very least freeze the blood in their veins—until they pray for death, but do not receive it!! O lord! O lord! O lord!, "

Also shown was a snippet of formal prayers at Mecca, Islam's holiest city. As Muslims circumambulated around the Ka'ba, the following supplications were blasted on a megaphone, chanted to by Islam's devotees:

"O Allah vanquish the unjust Christians and the criminal Jews, the unjust traitors; strike them with your wrath; make their lives hostage to misery; drape them with endless despair, unrelenting pain and unremitting ailment; fill their lives with sorrow and pain and end their lives in humiliation and oppression; inflict your tortures and punishments upon the unjust Christians and criminal Jews. This is our supplication, Allah; grant us our request!"

Source: http://www.raymondibrahim.com/10669/muslim-prayers-of-hate

he is refering to unjust christians like you and your criminal jew brethren in crime

skydeexie:

Who says Boko-Haramists are not muslims. If anything they are the true authentic muslims practicing what is written in the quran, the hadiths and following to the letter the practical examples the prophet(PBUH) of islam left behind. Get to listen to the video the Boko-haram leader recently posted on Youtube addressed to the muslim Umma, President Jonathan and Christians in particular. Also listen to the BBC interview with the other slain leader. They are Sunnis practicing Salafism - the pure unadulterated form of islam. Boy they are the REAL thing. And that is why they don't mind killing muslims who are considered not "authentic" enough.

i read ds only because i saw frosbel's thumbs up. Bigotry is what keeps many from thinking straight. when did Boko haram become the voice for Nigerian Muslims.

what do u know of the Qur'an or hadith before making your conclusion that boko haram pple are true muslims. You seem to me like one of the media-brainwashed folks.

An authentic salafi Muslim is aware that the life of a Muslim is sacred and will do anything to protect it. You can feed your equally ignorant folks with such lies but dont bring it here and expect everyone to accept them.

LagosShia:

you are a fool!

that is where the problem lies.when christians create wars even though George Bush and Hitler were christians,it is not christianity that is judged.but when muslims rightly or wrongly use weapons,it is islam that goes to trial.

Did Hitler or Bush kill in the name of christianity? But those Alaqaeda and Bokohara, are killing in the name of islam whether they're true muslims or not does not suffice.

@Lagosshia

please check this thread on what you are quoting and you will see that those words have nothing to do with Islam:

Are you saying the the Egyptian and Mecca Imams are not muslims?

It comes as no surprise since muslims are always in denial when confronted with the truth. Wake up people(muslims) the game is up!
Gone were the days when islam used to be a closet religion only 'understood' by those who speaks or understand arabic language only. Thank God for the Internet. Every information about islam is available for all to see and coupled with what is happening practically, there's nothing more to hide.

For instance, if I CHOOSE to willingly on my own volition leave islam, they'll chop my head for doing just that. A poster above (@trustidkid) confirmed that in No.2 of his submission.

Thanks but no thanks - I don't wanna be a muslim. It's complete bondage. Gives no quarter and takes none.

deols:

i read ds only because i saw frosbel's thumbs up. Bigotry is what keeps many from thinking straight. when did Boko haram become the voice for Nigerian Muslims.

what do u know of the Qur'an or hadith before making your conclusion that boko haram pple are true muslims. You seem to me like one of the media-brainwashed folks.

An authentic salafi Muslim is aware that the life of a Muslim is sacred and will do anything to protect it. You can feed your equally ignorant folks with such lies but dont bring it here and expect everyone to accept them.

Hello Deols, okay for the benefit of doubt, let us assume that ISLAM = PEACE , though I say this bursting with laughter

Can you kindly explain why hundreds of Christians were killed in Northern Nigeria because of Cartoons that were published in Denmark thousands of miles away, and the World beauty contest that was to take place in Abuja.

Tell me what crime did these Christians commit, many of whom were totally oblivious to these events.

There is this story that sealed my understanding of ISLAM, your fellow Yoruba lady lynched by her own students in the North , read below.

GOMBE, Nigeria – Christianah Oluwatoyin Oluwasesin, a teacher at Government Secondary School of Gandu in this northern Nigerian town, was in high spirits last Wednesday (March 21) as she made her way to schoo[/b]l where she teaches government.

[b]She was happy that after the final day of exams, she would be joining her husband in their hometown of Abeokuta, in the southwestern state of Ogun; a few months earlier, her husband Femi Oluwasesin had gone to Abeokuta to take a hospital position as a laboratory technician. The high school teacher’s joyous mood had been noted not only that day but the previous one, as she was seen taking pictures and exchanging pleasantries with friends and colleagues.

Soon her happiness would be cut short. Muslim students at the school, along with outside Islamic extremists, murdered Oluwasesin on March 21 over claims that she desecrated the Quran. They beat, stoned, and clubbed her to death, then burned her corpse.

As a supervisor of a class writing a final examination on Islamic Religious knowledge on that day, Oluwasesin was responsible for ensuring that students strictly kept rules and to prevent mischief in the hall, which had become common among cheating students, said Aluke Musa Yila, a fellow teacher at the school.

Musa told Compass that Oluwasesin had collected papers, books and bags before the exam in the all-girls class, in accordance with school procedures to prevent cheating, and dropped the materials in front of the class.

While noting that Oluwasesin was not aware the belongings included a Quran, a local newspaper reported she tossed the belongings outside the classroom. But Musa, who rushed into the classroom soon after students began yelling, told Compass that Oluwasesin had dropped the belongings in front of the class.

“Usually such items are returned to every student as each returns her answer script,” Musa said. “Soon after the bags collected by Oluwasesin were dropped in front of the class, one of the girls in the class began to cry. She told her colleagues that she had a copy of the Quran in her bag, that Oluwasesin touched the bag, and that by doing so she had desecrated the Quran, since she was a Christian.”

Soon after the student raised this alarm, other students in class began to shout “Allahu Akbar."

“It was at this point that I was attracted to the riotous scene in that class, and I then rushed there,” said Musa, who said he witnessed the murder of Oluwasesin by the Muslim students and extremists. “How could a teacher know that that there was a copy of the Quran in a student’s bag if this was not pointed out to her?”

He notified Malam Baba Musa, patron of the Muslim Students’ Society at the school. The MSS patron, along with three other school staff members, went to the classroom to try to bring calm, Aluke Musa said. In the raucous confusion, he managed to rush Oluwasesin out of class to the principal’s office.

“The principal left me and Oluwasesin in his office and also went there to calm down the Muslim students,” he said. “Knowing that the students may soon come to this office, I pushed Oluwasesin into the bathroom in this office and then locked up the office.”

By the time he had rejoined the principal and other staff members, he said, the entire school was engulfed in uproar. Muslim extremists from outside the school rushed in to join in the unrest.

“They destroyed school property and were demanding that Oluwasesin must be given to them to be stoned to death,” Musa said. “When we could not give in by releasing Oluwasesin to them, they started stoning us.”

“While we were thinking of ways to take Oluwasesin out of the school, the Muslims broke into the principal’s office and dragged her out,” he said. “The principal rushed there to save her as they clubbed her with an iron on the head and blood was gushing out from the wounded side of the head. He was pleading that they should not kill her, but they were insisting that she must be killed.”

Musa said that the Muslims overcame efforts by the principal and another teacher identified only as Kabiru to protect Oluwasesin.

“The principal succeeded in getting Oluwasesin up to the school gate,” he said. “There was a house near the gate, and he dragged her into the house, but the rioting Muslims went into the house and dragged her out again. This time, they clubbed her to death, brought old mats and placed dirt on her corpse, and then burned the body.”


Musa said he was baffled that throughout the unrest, the copy of the Quran supposed to have been desecrated was never seen, nor was it produced by the offended student.

“Whether the Quran was in the bag of that student, nobody knows,” he said.

Attempts by at least four policemen to quell the unrest had failed as they had been forced to retreat, Musa told Compass.

“The Muslims smashed the car of Oluwasesin, which was parked in the car park attached to the building housing the library, office and some classrooms,” he said. “Her car was set on fire, and soon the entire building went up in flames.”

Along with Oluwasesin’s car, the school library, and other offices near the parking lot were all burned, he said. When the Fire Brigade arrived, he said, Muslims prevented firemen from coming into the school by striking them with stones.

Having killed Oluwasesin, the extremists turned their attention on Musa, who said he had been advised to leave and had done so in time. The extremists set his motorbike on fire, he said, when they realized he had eluded them.

The Government Secondary School of Gandu has a student population of about 4,000, about 10 percent of whom are Christian, Musa said.

The school has been closed down since the incident. Principal Mallam Mohammed Saddique, who was injured in the melee, could not be reached for comment, but Vice-Principal Hajiya Hadiza Ali Gombe told Compass that the situation had been brought under control.

“There is no more problem,” she said, declining to speak further on the issue.

All secondary schools in the Gombe metropolitan area have been shut down indefinitely to avert a spread of the crisis, according to news reports.

Authorities have arrested at least 12 students involved in the killing, according to Voice of America. A five-member committee appointed by the state to investigate the incident is due to present findings in two weeks.

In February 2006 in the neighboring state of Bauchi, at least 20 Christians were killed and two churches were burned down by Muslims furious that a Christian high school teacher had tried to confiscate a Quran from a student who was reading it during class. (See Compass Direct News, “Teacher Accused of Blasphemy in Nigeria Disappears,” March 28, 2006).

The killing of Oluwasesin shocked the Christian community in Gombe and has left her church devastated. At Evangel Chapel’s morning worship service on Sunday (March 25), Elder Robert Simon said during a sermon that such trials “are the real tests for our Christian faith, and our desire to follow Jesus lies in such difficult times.”

Oluwasesin was also a Sunday school teacher and a member of her church’s prayer team. She and her husband had gone to Gombe on a one-year mandatory National Youth Service Scheme of the Nigerian government. After the service year, in which both of them excelled, they were employed by the Gombe state government, she as a teacher and he as a laboratory technician at a hospital in town.

Oluwasesin was the mother of two children.

who are the bastards that invent these weapons :guns, bombbbbbbbbbbbs etc and who sell/sold it to the radical muslims ?
how can a plane  that hit the top of a building bring the whole building down, if not the whole building is rigged with explosives (9/11)
how come a jew did not lose a single penny talkless of a life in the attack
how come USA is backing leaders in the arab world that do their bidding against their policy of spreading  DEMOCRACY.
the quetions are very simple the west are using some emotionally carried away muslims using a pay scholar to defend the evil act in those advocate imagination. time will tell,
why is the west sanctioning  a democratic government of iran and killing her scientics
everything is DIPLOMACY and they find FOOLS among we muslims to be played in thir drama but mind you  'ILE TA BA FI ITO MO IRI NI YO WO " LIKE MY FORE FATHERS USE TO SAY  a house built with saliva will be wreck by DEW

skullbaba:

who are the bastards that invent these weapons :guns, bombbbbbbbbbbbs etc and who sell/sold it to the radical muslims ?

Lol.

A bad workman blames his tools !!!

how can a plane  that hit the top of a building bring the whole building down, if not the whole building is rigged with explosives (9/11)

Easy, after hours of intense heat the steel melted all the way down and the building tumbled and collapsed . Even my little boy can analyse this one.

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All Muslims are not suicide bombers, but all suicide bombers have been Muslims.

And there community at large remain somewhat mute and no Utter outrage from them to stem religious fanaticism.

What do you expect people to think?

"religion is the opium of the people". Karl Max

In fact, we Africans need to go back to our forefather's ways. Imported Foreign organized religions have done more harm than good to us.

Shalom Cool.

u must live in mass not to av heard of their community condemning them or do u expect them to come to your room so u can be aware??

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However as in all cases there is also a sizeable number of Islamic fanatics in the country. The situation is very complex,b'cos of the driving factor which is essentially some political evil geniuses in their midst using Islam as a veil to hide their real intentions which is the increment of political power.
Islamic fanaticism is also unique to Northern Nigeria,you don't see Muslims in the West and South burning,killing and pillaging with reckless abandon as has been witnessed in the North. The reason for this is, massive levels of unemployment caused by equally massive levels of illiteracy which leads to massive levels of poverty in the North.

this part of your post reminds me of the sayings of a psychologist-
Give me a dozen healthy infants, well-formed, and my own specified world to bring them up in and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select – doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief and, yes, even beggar-man and thief, regardless of his talents, penchants, tendencies, abilities, vocations, and race of his ancestors.  

this explains how nurture has a role to play in what is happening. If a child lost all he ever heard for example to the war in iraq- his parents, source of living and every other thing. what do u think it costs him to carry out an attack on his enemies- whom of course to him are the christian Americans. Same thing in Northern Nigeria where the child never had a decent living, nothing to lose and is promised of a wonderful life beyond. Dont forget again that the only school he was ever privileged to attend is one by a people  who equally grew up on the streets. In this case, blame the government and nothing else.

like I said earlier, everyone believes in something. it could be faulted later but your passion for it is enough driving force. I see no difference in their belief and that of people thinking God would allow his own son dragged on the streets and then nailed for some ingrates, sinful lot.

terrotism is wrong  and UNISLAMIc and Yes, the mainstream media and the nigerian media which is majorly controlled by christians have been bias in their coverage!

The biggest contributors to the bad image of Islam are the vast majority of Muslims themselves.

More prominently, cretins like LagosShia and Sweetnecta. They have ruined the image of the religion.

deols:

i read ds only because i saw frosbel's thumbs up. Bigotry is what keeps many from thinking straight. when did Boko haram become the voice for Nigerian Muslims.

what do u know of the Qur'an or hadith before making your conclusion that boko haram pple are true muslims. You seem to me like one of the media-brainwashed folks.

An authentic salafi Muslim is aware that the life of a Muslim is sacred and will do anything to protect it. You can feed your equally ignorant folks with such lies but dont bring it here and expect everyone to accept them.

I suggest you listen to their tapes and literature based on the quran/hadiths first. There's nothing like brainwashed folks here. If there's any group that has used the media for a very devastating effect to advance the cause of their religion in Nigeria- its islam. For starters, they have Al-Jazeera, BBC, CNN, VOA,  Deustwella, Radio France  - all Hausa Services apart from Al-Jazeera, propagating Islam in the guise of news. So who's talking about the media contributing to Islam bad boy image?

you are a fool!

that is where the problem lies.when christians create wars even though George Bush and Hitler were christians,it is not christianity that is judged.but when muslims rightly or wrongly use weapons,it is islam that goes to trial.

Mud brain Lagosshia,

Your name says it all.

I have one question for you.

Did Hitler killed muslims ? No he fought with his xtian counterparts.

He didnt fight for Jesus/God/Church/Christans.

He fought because of Nazi Germany.

You muslims are still not getting the message the whole world is passing to you.

frosbel:

Hello Deols, okay for the benefit of doubt, let us assume that ISLAM = PEACE , though I say this bursting with laughter  

Can you kindly explain why hundreds of Christians were killed in Northern Nigeria because of Cartoons that were published in Denmark thousands of miles away, and the World beauty contest that was to take place in Abuja.

Tell me what crime did these Christians commit, many of whom were totally oblivious to these events.

There is this story that sealed my understanding of ISLAM, your fellow Yoruba lady lynched by her own students in the North , read below.

i said it earlier. those acts are unIslamic. I would love a situation where the perpetrators are made to face the law. I would want them punished for such acts so that nothing like that happens again.

the problem with the north like i said is education. they listen to the radio-BBC hausa and hear of happenings aroud the world. To an average muslim, it is never a USA vs Iraq war rather a Muslim vs christian thing. In their bid to seek 'supposed' justice for their Muslim brothers and sisters, they attack innocent people, which in Islam, is wrong.

there are rules of engagement in Islam. .and that doesnt involve pple who dont mean harm to you.

Even the name "Muslim" get as e be!!!

frosbel:

Lol.

A bad workman blames his tools !!!

Easy, after hours of intense heat the steel melted all the way down and the building tumbled and collapsed . Even my little boy can analyse this one.

you dumb how can the sun combine with explosive heat brought down the building and a huge part of the plane still come down. stop the crap and be sentimental ther are analysis all over the internet to prove the building is brouht down by american themselves.
what abut the question of the jews not losing ANYTHING .
the debate is how can AL qada claim what they did not do and now the suspect are now been hand over to the saudi government backed by the US.
it is true that there are radical muslims like  BELVIVK the norwegian guy or ortega who want to assasinate obama. but the isssue is that does the RELIGION  they are protecting preaching what they are doing

Media contribute to the Image of islam nd it's because most of them are own by a xtian

Why now:

Even the name "Muslim" get as e be!!!

Muslim means someone who submitted to do the will of God, just as jesus said in

Matthew 7:21

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

ATLEAST YOU HAVE FORCED YOURSELF GRUDGENLY TO ACCEPT THAT AMERICANS HELPED IN KOSOVO CRISSES,BUT THEN YOU WENT ON WITH YOUR USUAL RETHRIC SAYING FOR WHATEVER REASON,WHY NOT JUST SAY IT WAS OIL OR DRINKING WATER.IF YOU LIVED HERE IN THE NORTH AND ONE DAY TRAVELED TO YOUR VILLAGE TO SEE A GRAFITI ON THE RUINED ELDERLY FOLKS AND NEIGHBOURS HUTS OR HOUSES,AND ON THE WALLS THAT READS WITH SOME UNBELEIVEABLE SHOW OF HATRED AND YOUR HEART SKIPS WHEN YOU REALISED THAT THERE IS POSIBILITY OF YOUR WORST FEAR HAPENING AS EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGBOURHOOD HAVE GONE, THAT YOU ARE NOT EVEN SURE HOW MANY OF THOSE TAKING TO THE FAR AWAY HOSPITAL ARE ALIVE OR NOT.AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME REALISED IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT TRIBES OR RELIGIONS,AND WERE TOLD HOW SOME NOT VERY DISTANT NEIGHBOURS THAT YOU THOUGHT COULD BE TRUST DISAPEARED STRANGELY BEFORE THE MASAQAR,AND DIDNT BOTHER TO TELL ANYBODY JUST BECAUSE THEY SUDENLY REALSED THOSE OTHER ONES ARE INFIDELS EVEN THOUGH THEY LIVED AROUND TOGETHER FOR MANY YEARS.AND MAYBE WHILE ALL THESE WAS HAPENING YOU WERE OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY PUTING YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE FOR THE SAME PEOPLE,MY FRIEND I ASK WHAT WOULD YOU DO,DO YOU HAVE TO START LISTENING TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO KNOWS NOTHING YET CLAIMS TO KNOW ALL LIKE MANY DO IN THIS COUNTRY TO TELL YOU WHO YOUR REAL ENEMIES ARE?SOMETIMES READING SOME COMMENTS AND ARGUIMENTS ON HERE BY SOME NIGERIANS YOU WONDER WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE ARE SO FUL WITH HATE AND IGNORANCE.

LagosShia:

give honor to whom honor is due.

the bosnians were victims and americans helped for whatever interest they saw and that is good.that by no means does not mean the palestinians are not victims too.

also do we forget that the "terrorism" america cries from today chiefly perpetrated by alqaeda is the handiwork of the CIA?america made bin laden! also you need to distinguish between terrorism and resistance fighting groups against occupation like hamas and hezbollah.unfortunately the crimes of alqeda has played well into the hands of the zionists occupationists.they now use alqaeda to tarnish the image of every muslims carrying arms even if it is done rightly for the good reasons against occupation.that is how unfair the media is.

you dumb how can the sun combine with explosive heat brought down the building and a huge part of the plane still come down. stop the crap and be sentimental ther are analysis all over the internet to prove the building is brouht down by american themselves.
what abut the question of the jews not losing ANYTHING .
the debate is how can AL qada claim what they did not do and now the suspect are now been hand over to the saudi government backed by the US.
it is true that there are radical muslims like  BELVIVK the norwegian guy or ortega who want to assasinate obama. but the isssue is that does the RELIGION  they are protecting preaching what they are doing

There were analysis on the internet that there was nobody called Jesus.
There were analysis on the internet that Obama did not win the election.

There are always analysis about impossibilites. I can come out with another analysis that. Mohammed was born in Brazil tomorow.

For the fact that there are analysis on the internet does not mean they true.

Before the world used to blame america for the arabs/muslims. But, now, people are now seeing the truth that U muslims are worst than the americans.

Is it not the same muslims who came here to tell us Mossad sponsored Boko-haram ?

Yes mossad is fighting Al-shabab militants in somalia.

A fool will believe the words of a muslim.

It is written in the quran that muslims should lie and decieve the infidels. Why should we trust you over CIA/FBI especially we Nigerians ?

U have shown us the color of Islam!

So leave america out of ur mess

The media contributed nothing to ur bad image.islam itself is a mess!ur people kil in d name of ur allah,but any xtian who kills would never bring God or Jesus into it.d bible condems it.u guys are fond of protecting ur muderous brothers.u see xtians condem even their pastors here.we xpose any evil done

skullbaba:

you dumb how can the sun combine with explosive heat brought down the building and a huge part of the plane still come down. stop the crap and be sentimental ther are analysis all over the internet to prove the building is brouht down by american themselves.
what abut the question of the jews not losing ANYTHING .
the debate is how can AL qada claim what they did not do and now the suspect are now been hand over to the saudi government backed by the US.
it is true that there are radical muslims like  BELVIVK the norwegian guy or ortega who want to assasinate obama. but the isssue is that does the RELIGION  they are protecting preaching what they are doing

Like seriously? Obviously, you were blinded by your "analysis all over the internet" theory, meanwhile, official engineering reports stated this

FEMA's early investigation was revised by a later, more detailed investigation conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), which also consulted outside engineering entities. This investigation was completed in September 2005. Like FEMA, NIST vindicated the design of the WTC, noting that the severity of the attacks and the magnitude of the destruction was beyond anything experienced in U.S. cities in the past.

NIST also emphasized the role of the fires, but it did not attribute the collapses to failing floor joists. Instead, NIST found that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns: "This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers."[6]

Now that what collapsed the twin towers and NOT your "analysis over the whole internet"

Seven virgins are tantamount to Islam. I don't know what they find in virgins!?

deols:



u must live in mass not to av heard of their community condemning them or do u expect them to come to your room so u can be aware??

I am yet to see a VERY strong condemnation from the Muslim community at large. Even during Osama's reign, there wasn't a massive protest or demonstration against his deeds from the higher echelons,let alone, lower strata of your community. Why remain SOMEWHAT MUTE( read in between the lines again please)?

Same goes to honor killings, as in if one is considered a run away bride or an outcast. Do you subtly condone it?

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this part of your post reminds me of the sayings of a psychologist-
Give me a dozen healthy infants, well-formed, and my own specified world to bring them up in and I'll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select – doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief and, yes, even beggar-man and thief, regardless of his talents, penchants, tendencies, abilities, vocations, and race of his ancestors. 

this explains how nurture has a role to play in what is happening. If a child lost all he ever heard for example to the war in iraq- his parents, source of living and every other thing. what do u think it costs him to carry out an attack on his enemies- whom of course to him are the christian Americans. Same thing in Northern Nigeria where the child never had a decent living, nothing to lose and is promised of a wonderful life beyond. Dont forget again that the only school he was ever privileged to attend is one by a people  who equally grew up on the streets. In this case, blame the government and nothing else.

like I said earlier, everyone believes in something. it could be faulted later but your passion for it is enough driving force. I see no difference in their belief and that of people thinking God would allow his own son dragged on the streets and then nailed for some ingrates, sinful lot.

terrotism is wrong  and UNISLAMIc and Yes, the mainstream media and the nigerian media which is majorly controlled by christians have been bias in their coverage!

Your analogy is BASELESS and a way of justifying revenge and killing. I remember a book I read of a Jewish holocaust survivor who later became a psychologist and psychiatrist . Now, can you compare that?

Similarly, Eliezer "Elie" Wiesel is a Holocaust survivor, despite the horrific experience; he is a Humanist and strong peace advocate that led him to win the Nobel peace prize. There are countless of them. Although, they have not forgotten about their experiences and are ever vigilant. Do you see the Jews committing hideous crimes against the Germans in the name of revenge and religion?  Forgive but don't forget, for history not to repeat itself.

I think there is one word Muslims need to enshrine in their psyche, TOLERANCE. We are all humans and therefore, fallible.

The media only highlights negative actions of muslims, (eg extremeism, terror acts). There are many muslims who condemn these actions but their words go unreported.

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THIS IS EXACTLY WHY NIGERIA KEEPS GOING DOWN THE GUTTER,INSTEAD OF ME TO SPIT AT AND CONDEMN A WRONG DOINGS SO THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WONT SEE IT AS NORMAL THING AND COPY IT,NO I LL RATHER LOOK FOR SOME STUPID REASON TO JUSTIFY THE UNJUSTIFIABLE JUST BECAUSE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED(THE VICTIMS)ARE THOSE OF A DIFFERENT RELIGION OR TRIBE.AND YET WE EXPECT OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE NIGERIA TO RESPECT US WHEN WE CLEARLY ARE FORCING THEM THAT WE HATE OUR BROTHERS OR NEIGHBOURS NO GOOD REASON AT ALL.WHEN THINGS ARE NOT GOING WELL IN OUR PLACES OF WORSHIP WE ALWAYS CRY LOUD TO EXPOSE IT,BUT EVEN WITH ALL MURDER THEY COMIT IN THE NAME OF ISLAM THEY STILL WANT FORCE EVERYBODY TO SING THEIR PRAISES.HAVE THEY EVER CREATED A THREAD HERE DISCUSS OBJECTIVELY ISLAM/MUSLIMS IN REGARD TO THE DEVASTATING IMPACT IT IS HAVING IN THIS COUNTRY,AND WAYS TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH THEIR NEIGHBOURS,GUESTS OR EVEN THEIR HOSTS?THE BEST THEY DO ON HERE LIKE EVERY OTHER PLACE IS TO ALWAYS PLAY THE VICTIMS,BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES.

o.obim:

The media contributed nothing to your bad image.islam itself is a mess!your people kil in d name of your allah,but any xtian who kills would never bring God or Jesus into it.d bible condems it.u guys are fond of protecting your muderous brothers.u see xtians condem even their pastors here.we xpose any evil done

Hitler once said, when you want to win a war , use the cinema and the media ,and the battle is won  , there is also a saying that Islam would come to us like a stranger and go back  a stranger , today we clearly see the character assassination of Muslims in the western main stream media and even in the local media , it is prophesied ,  Islam would be the greatest enemies of the disbeliever  patient,and  steadfast in your faith , this are the end trials to would face the Muslims .mind you the mind are not own by us.
                             these  are signs of the last day

the worst among you would be your leader ,alcohol and unlawful sex would be ramped

people would burial their money in the soil ,that is, people would spend on the soil ,building with high cost

people would compete in building ,lies would become truth,truth would become lies

Olodostein:

I am yet to see a VERY strong condemnation from the Muslim community at large. Even during Osama's reign, there wasn't a massive protest or demonstration against his deeds from the higher echelons,let alone, lower strata of your community. Why remain SOMEWHAT MUTE( read in between the lines again please)?

Same goes to honor killings, as in if one is considered a run away bride or an outcast. Do you subtly condone it?

Your analogy is BASELESS and a way of justifying revenge and killing. I remember a book I read of a Jewish holocaust survivor who later became a psychologist and psychiatrist . Now, can you compare that?

Similarly, Eliezer "Elie" Wiesel is a Holocaust survivor, despite the horrific experience; he is a Humanist and strong peace advocate that led him to win the Nobel peace prize. There are countless of them. Although, they have not forgotten about their experiences and are ever vigilant. Do you see the Jews committing hideous crimes against the Germans in the name of revenge and religion?  Forgive but don't forget, for history not to repeat itself.

I think there is one word Muslims need to enshrine in their psyche, TOLERANCE. We are all humans and therefore, fallible.

I wonder what sort of support you are asking of. Saudi Arabia has been licking USA's ass in the name of support. They provide a base and military support for US to attack Al Qaeda, Egypt provided her security intelligence and even carried out the dirty job out for the Americans and the west, Pakistan is bombing her own people to appease USA. What type of support or condemnation do you want exactly