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Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Nobody: 12:34pm On Jan 31, 2012
Any Pastor that revels in being called Daddy by his deluded 'followers' is a fake.
I'll stat considering his words seriously if he commands his 'followers' to stop calling him 'Father' or 'Daddy' in line with Jesus commandments!

Read the following translations below for sound reason!

New International Version (©1984)
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

New Living Translation (©2007)
And don't address anyone here on earth as 'Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father.


English Standard Version (©2001)
And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

International Standard Version (©2008)
And don't call anyone on earth 'Father,' because you have only one Father, the one in heaven.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And you should not call yourselves “Father”, in the earth, for one is your Father who is in Heaven.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
And don't call anyone on earth your father, because you have only one Father, and he is in heaven.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, who is in heaven.

American King James Version
And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

American Standard Version
And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, even he who is in heaven.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.

Darby Bible Translation
And call not any one your father upon the earth; for one is your Father, he who is in the heavens.

English Revised Version
And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Webster's Bible Translation
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father who is in heaven.

Weymouth New Testament
And call no one on earth your Father, for One alone is your Father--the Heavenly Father.

World English Bible
Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.

Young's Literal Translation
and ye may not call any your father on the earth, for one is your Father, who is in the heavens,
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Nobody: 12:39pm On Jan 31, 2012
Then follow up with the following commentaries for more sound reason!

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

And call no man your Father , - This does not, of course, forbid us to apply the term to our real father. Religion requires all proper honor to be shown to Him, Exodus 20:12; Matthew 15:4; Ephesians 6:1-3. But the word "father" also denotes "authority, eminence, superiority, a right to command, and a claim to particular respect." In this sense it is used here. In this sense it belongs eminently to God, and it is not right to give it to people. Christian brethren are equal. Only God has supreme authority. He only has a right to give laws; to declare doctrines that shall bind the conscience; to punish disobedience. The Jewish teachers affected that title because they seem to have supposed that a teacher formed the man, or gave him real life, and sought, therefore, to be called father. Christ taught them that the source of all life and truth was God, and they ought not to seek or receive a title which properly belongs to him.


Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

Call no man your Father - Our Lord probably alludes to the Ab, or father of the Sanhedrin, who was the next after the nasi, or president. See on Matthew 20:21 (note). By which he gives his disciples to understand that he would have no Second, after himself, established in his Church, of which he alone was the head; and that perfect equality must subsist among them.


Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

And call no man your father upon the earth,, Not but that children may, and should call their natural parents, fathers; and such who have been instrumental in the conversion of souls, may be rightly called by them their spiritual fathers; as servants and scholars also, may call those that are over them, and instruct them, their masters: our Lord does not mean, by any of these expressions, to set aside all names and titles, of natural and civil distinction among men, but only to reject all such names and titles, as are used to signify an authoritative power over men's consciences, in matters of faith and obedience; in which, God and Christ are only to be attended to. Christ's sense is, that he would have his disciples not fond of any titles of honour at all; and much less assume an authority over men, as if they were to depend on them, as the founders of the Christian religion, the authors of its doctrines and ordinances; and to take that honour to themselves, which did not belong to them; nor even choose to be called by such names, as would lead people to entertain too high an opinion of them, and take off of their dependence on God the Father, and himself, as these titles the Scribes and Pharisees loved to be called by, did: and who were called not only by the name of Rabbi, but Abba, "Father", also: hence we read of Abba Saul, or "Father" Saul (n); Abba Jose ben Jochanan, a man of Jerusalem (o), Abba Chanan (p), Abba Chelphetha, a man of the village of Hananiah (q); Abba Gorion (r), and others; and this name was , "a name of honour, even as Rabbi" (s), and of great authority: the wise men are said to be , "the fathers of all" (t), to whom all gave heed, and upon whom all depended, as so many oracles. There is a whole treatise in their Misna, called Pirke Abot, which contains some of the oracles, and peculiar sayings of these "fathers", the Misnic doctors, and which are preferred to the writings of Moses, and the prophets. In this sense, and upon this score, our Lord inveighs against them, and cautions his disciples against giving or taking all such titles, in such sense. "For one is your Father, which is in heaven"; who is so, both by creation and adoption, and is possessed of all paternal authority; and is to be honoured and obeyed by all; from whom all wisdom and knowledge is derived, and who has the care and government of all in heaven and in earth.

(n) Pirke Abot, c. 2. sect. 8. (o) T. Bab. Yebamot, fol. 53. 2.((p) Ib. fol. 64. 1.((q) T. Bab. Bava Metzia, fol. 94. 1. & Bava Bathra. fol. 56. 2.((r) Massech Sopherim, c. 15. sect. 10. (s) Juchasiu, fol. 31. 2. & 61. 2.((t) Maimon. in Misn. Peah, c. 1. sect. 1.


Vincent's Word Studies

Father (πατέρα)

Aimed at those who combed the title Abba, or Father. Compare the title Papa - Pope.


Geneva Study Bible

And call no man your {i} father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

(i) He attacks a custom of the Jews, for they called the rabbis our fathers.


People's New Testament

23:9 Call no man your father upon earth. Another honorary title. The scribes delighted to be called Abba, father. So the priests of the Roman Catholic Church. So do all who welcome such honorary titles as Rev. Right Rev. Lord Bishop, etc. These are all forbidden. No apostle was ever so called.


Wesley's Notes

23:8-10 The Jewish rabbis were also called father and master, by their several disciples, whom they required, To believe implicitly what they affirmed, without asking any farther reason; To obey implicitly what they enjoined, without seeking farther authority. Our Lord, therefore, by forbidding us either to give or receive the title of rabbi, master, or father, forbids us either to receive any such reverence, or to pay any such to any but God.


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven, &c.-To construe these injunctions into a condemnation of every title by which Church rulers may be distinguished from the flock which they rule, is virtually to condemn that rule itself; and accordingly the same persons do both-but against the whole strain of the New Testament and sound Christian judgment. But when we have guarded ourselves against these extremes, let us see to it that we retain the full spirit of this warning against that itch for ecclesiastical superiority which has been the bane and the scandal of Christ's ministers in every age. (On the use of the word "Christ" here, see on [1346]Mt 1:1).


Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

23:1-12 The scribes and Pharisees explained the law of Moses, and enforced obedience to it. They are charged with hypocrisy in religion. We can only judge according to outward appearance; but God searches the heart. They made phylacteries. These were scrolls of paper or parchment, wherein were written four paragraphs of the law, to be worn on their foreheads and left arms, Ex 13:2-10; 13:11-16; De 6:4-9; 11:13-21. They made these phylacteries broad, that they might be thought more zealous for the law than others. God appointed the Jews to make fringes upon their garments, Nu 15:38, to remind them of their being a peculiar people; but the Pharisees made them larger than common, as if they were thereby more religious than others. Pride was the darling, reigning sin of the Pharisees, the sin that most easily beset them, and which our Lord Jesus takes all occasions to speak against. For him that is taught in the word to give respect to him that teaches, is commendable; but for him that teaches, to demand it, to be puffed up with it, is sinful. How much is all this against the spirit of Christianity! The consistent disciple of Christ is pained by being put into chief places. But who that looks around on the visible church, would think this was the spirit required? It is plain that some measure of this antichristian spirit prevails in every religious society, and in every one of our hearts.

Even the pope is guilty of this sin. I guess the pentecostals borrowed this doctrine from the catholic church.
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by TeeJay6(m): 3:27pm On Jan 31, 2012
diluminati:

Any Pastor that revels in being called Daddy by his deluded 'followers' is a fake.
I'll stat considering his words seriously if he commands his 'followers' to stop calling him 'Father' or 'Daddy' in line with Jesus commandments!

By the way, I am guessing you meant start, and not stat.

1) Pastor E A Adeboye does not need your affirmation in anyway shape or form, whether you take his words seriously or would never keep him awake at night with worry, You wanna know why? There are millions all over the world (not just nigerians) who treasure the gift of God in him.

2) As for being deluded because we choose to call him our "daddy"; I would gladly assume that tag as long as my life is enriched by the gift and grace bestowed upon his life/ministry.
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by TeeJay6(m): 3:55pm On Jan 31, 2012
Whilst I totally agree with the aforementioned; a clear disticntion ought to be made between the use of the term "Father" and "Daddy".
The verse the poster quoted was forbidding anyone from calling any man "Father"(Ref Matt 6:9); for to do so would be nothing short of idolatry. That said, Gal.4:19, 1Jn4:4, 1Jn.2:1, 1cor.4:15 shows that your pastor can be referred to as your spiritual father/shepherd.
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Nobody: 3:56pm On Jan 31, 2012
You should know with your big brain its a typo.

And what if the whole planet listens to him, even Obama is a president of 300million+ Nation.

And what do you mean by spiritual father, i dont get you, explain it to me.
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Nobody: 3:57pm On Jan 31, 2012
So then God is no longer your spiritual father? please expound on those verses and compare with those commentaries. Is there a conflict here or you don't understand what you wrote?
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by TeeJay6(m): 5:16pm On Jan 31, 2012
diluminati:

So then God is no longer your spiritual father? please expound on those verses and compare with those commentaries. Is there a conflict here or you don't understand what you wrote?
God is "God/Creator/Heavenly Father/Maker" and nothing in the verses I quoted negates this. Forget about commentaries afterall the people who penned the commentaries were merely passing across their personal interpretations informed mostly by studies of the history of the biblical times.
There is no conflict whatsoever, the verses shows that the delegated leaders of the church are your earthly spiritual fathers who (hebrews 13:17) (see John 21:17; where Jesus Himself commits the "sheep" unto peter).
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Nobody: 5:32pm On Jan 31, 2012
how does a 'shepherd' now translates to 'spiritual father'? hmmm?
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by dekung(m): 5:50pm On Jan 31, 2012
I may be wrong but is there anywhere in the bible wether old or new testament where some people were recognised as spiritual fathers. I know there are elders in the bible/church but are there spiritual father?
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Joagbaje(m): 6:49pm On Jan 31, 2012
1 Corinthians 4:15
. . . For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the glad tidings (the Gospel).
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jan 31, 2012
Joagbaje:

1 Corinthians 4:15
. . . For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the glad tidings (the Gospel).


and compare to this

diluminati:


New International Version (©1984)
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

New Living Translation (©2007)
And don't address anyone here on earth as 'Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father.




Seriously are you serious? Ok now, who do you listen to? Paul or Jesus?

I expected a sound argument from you, but you are just making us the more confused

Ok disprove the words of Jesus. ok i;m waiting
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Image123(m): 8:19pm On Jan 31, 2012
Did you read the commentaries that you quoted?
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by omofat: 11:21am On Feb 01, 2012
You people just like arguing off point. "Do not call anyone father", does that also mean you cannot call your natural father "father"?

Continue arguing about silly theological nonsenses that don't add any value to your lives.
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by Nobody: 12:01pm On Feb 01, 2012
omo~fat:

You people just like arguing off point. "Do not call anyone father", does that also mean you cannot call your natural father "father"?

Continue arguing about silly theological nonsenses that don't add any value to your lives.

I disagree this is silly theological nonsense. The words of Christ does not equate to silly theological nonsense.

And i read the Topic and this commentary above replies your comment.

And call no man your Father , - This does not, of course, forbid us to apply the term to our real father. Religion requires all proper honor to be shown to Him, Exodus 20:12; Matthew 15:4; Ephesians 6:1-3. But the word "father" also denotes "authority, eminence, superiority, a right to command, and a claim to particular respect." In this sense it is used here. In this sense it belongs eminently to God, and it is not right to give it to people. Christian brethren are equal. Only God has supreme authority. He only has a right to give laws; to declare doctrines that shall bind the conscience; to punish disobedience. The Jewish teachers affected that title because they seem to have supposed that a teacher formed the man, or gave him real life, and sought, therefore, to be called father. Christ taught them that the source of all life and truth was God, and they ought not to seek or receive a title which properly belongs to him.


Please stop calling the words of Christ theological nonsense. cry
Re: Do You Not Know It Is Wrong To Your Pastor 'daddy'? by omofat: 12:37pm On Feb 01, 2012
^^^ Sit down there and be arguing about semantics you hear.

Yes of course one should not arrogate powers which belong to only to God to any man. That is common sense; all GOs, pastors, etc at the end of the day are men and are subject to the failings of men. Do we need a thread to debate that?

Whether calling someone daddy is what is important to the saving of your souls, you will tell me

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