shymmex: Interesting thread..

I'll quickly like to add the following:

Hausas are Afro-Asiatic and Nilo Saharan...

Yorubas/Edos are cushtic.

Igbos/Ijaws/Efik/Ibibio are bantu.

Ta_Xasa:


It seems That the Afro-asiatic Groups Migrated West Before The Niger Congo related Tribes, If so then it does mean that the Niger-congo related Tribes were the most efficient in spreading/Branching and Efficiency when it came to growing Outwards and even Maybe influence. Good Post from you.

shymmex: Interesting thread..

I'll quickly like to add the following:

Hausas are Afro-Asiatic and Nilo Saharan...

Yorubas/Edos are cushtic.

Igbos/Ijaws/Efik/Ibibio are bantu.

shymmex: Interesting thread..

I'll quickly like to add the following:

Hausas are Afro-Asiatic and Nilo Saharan...

Yorubas/Edos are cushtic.

Igbos/Ijaws/Efik/Ibibio are bantu.

morpheus24:

Some of the Afro asiatic and Nilo saharan groups that occupy the sahel and the sahara regions most likely originate from or share ancestors with North-east Africans as several groups continue their nomadic journeys westward along the Sahel and the sahara regions(possibly due to wars, famine or in search of water supplies). The "Asiatic" is combined to represent language influences and most likely genetic backward migrations into Africa from West Asia or what is known as the middle east ( note these migrations are before Arab conquests that bring mostly Arab peoples into north Africa).

These groups would include the ancient libyans, reminants of sea peoples originating from canaan, ancient nubian tribes as well as cushitic peoples that were scattered around border territories who were predominantly nomadic.

The nubians/cushitics would include your sudanese, nubians, oromo's, somali's and central African tribes.

Ta_Xasa:

Exactly My Thoughts Too, The cushtic and Nubians were of late arrivals Before the arabs but after the rest of the other african Groups. The sea People from Canaan were Fighting Against The ancient Egyptians for Many Years especially the New Kingdom Pharohs and Finally succeding of Getting FOOTHOLD in the Nile Delta and Africa where they spread from there.

morpheus24:

It is self evident that pre the migrations across the east to west for peoples in Africa, North East Africa had already created a pool of varying degrees of people that can claim cushitic ancestory. It is possible this ancestry can reach as far as senegal. Genetic evidence traces varying degrees of a haplogroup E that creates a division between the sons of WeI am sekptical of josephus's categorizing of peoples based on his jewish-biblical inspired groupings of Ham, cush and Nimrod to cover all the darker peoples of Africa.

Ta_Xasa:

Hmmm I See your Point, The Thing is with Many of the languages In africa They all come into Few languages that Branched Out, so 10,000-20,000 Years ago Instead of Having Thousands Of african Language we see today it would Only be few handfull of Languages at that Time where they were ancestors of Most Of African Languages Today. The Hamitic Theory is not Only Jewish Biblical Theory The Ancient Egyptians/Arabs and Most of the ancient Worlds Claimed That Idea... Now Not All Hamitic People were Black, Some were Lighter Skin Colour Like Example the Canaanites/pillsitines/Myzrami's who were were the first 12 Dynasty of ancient Egypt and Many other Groups. Basically there were 2 Hamitic Groups Known, The northern Hamitics which Includes the Red Indians, Polynesians and Many Indegionus East and south east asians Population, and you had The southern Hamitics Basically The darker africans regardless of whether they are bantu,Afro-asiatic or san or Nilo. But 10,000 Years could sometimes Alter a genetic makeup or even change the Features of a tribe slightly, The best Example of That is in many East African Countries Starting with My own Country which Is Eritrea, We have 2 Tribes who were kin and lived Next to each other, while one has Moved To the Higlands and Mixed with other Tribes and even other Non african/Hamitic Groups the other Tribe stayed Unmixed to its people and Language. The result In 1000 Years is you would Think there is no way those two are related to each other, But The fact is They are One split into two and The features of the two is identical if you look closely without Judging the clothes or the Lightness of the skin. Amazing and i see that as well with many other groups around africa, Africa is very special you can Change how a tribe would look like and even modernise it but alot of aspects of the ancient way will remain still and one of them is the attachment to a group/Tribe and The less sense of humor of getting fooled Due to our Pride/Dignity Nature.

morpheus24:

Don't know where you source that from above but let me clarify. Bantu is derived from common word/meanings used by many ethnic groups across east,central and southern Africa to represent the word "peoples". example would be Basotho, Batswana, Bacongo, Ba wemba, ubuntu,

Yorubas, Igbos, Ijaws efik and ibibio would derive part of their language vocabulary from proto-bantu migrants which means they may have similar words that may be derived from the root language of ancient speakers.


It is however likely that Yoruba migrations pre date other groups in Southern Nigeria coming from central Africa into the West as the yoruba language is more of a gbe language family more similar with groups to the West of Nigera and differs with south eastern languages who have more borrowed words from central Africa. Most southern languages in Nigeria are considered under the Kwa family-Niger Congo A

Hope thats clarifies enough for you.

PhysicsQED:

What about the Yoruba language makes it Gbe-like?

And what groups in southeastern Nigeria besides the Ibibio/Annang/Efik, Ekoi, and Igbo or Igboid groups have any Bantu-like words in their languages?

morpheus24:

The Hamitic claim is based on culture and not particular scientific truth per say. There are too many flaws in the North Hamitics/ South Hamitic theory. The Hamitic theory is heavily based on the ancient worlds perception of their surrounding environments and peoples whose origins were not so simple to explain at that time and whose timeline for population expansions starting from Ham- Cush-Nimrod- Miziriam e.t.c fall within a 6-7 thousand year time frame.

Ta_Xasa:

I heard That from Many sources.. That the yorubas Claim ancestory from Nimrod who is the First son of Cush. Unlike Most of other African Groups The yoruba is The Only Group who claim ancestory from Nimrod Group, Its strange for them to claim ancestory from the Most Tyrant Ancient King/People Unless there is some truth to it. Nimord would be The Eldest Uncle of Most East African Tribes Today as they claim DESENDNECY THROUGH kush Other Sons.

Ta_Xasa:

Hmmm I See your Point, The Thing is with Many of the languages In africa They all come into Few languages that Branched Out, so 10,000-20,000 Years ago Instead of Having Thousands Of african Language we see today it would Only be few handfull of Languages at that Time where they were ancestors of Most Of African Languages Today. The Hamitic Theory is not Only Jewish Biblical Theory The Ancient Egyptians/Arabs and Most of the ancient Worlds Claimed That Idea... Now Not All Hamitic People were Black, Some were Lighter Skin Colour Like Example the Canaanites/pillsitines/Myzrami's who were were the first 12 Dynasty of ancient Egypt and Many other Groups. Basically there were 2 Hamitic Groups Known, The northern Hamitics which Includes the Red Indians, Polynesians and Many Indegionus East and south east asians Population, and you had The southern Hamitics Basically The darker africans regardless of whether they are bantu,Afro-asiatic or san or Nilo. But 10,000 Years could sometimes Alter a genetic makeup or even change the Features of a tribe slightly, The best Example of That is in many East African Countries Starting with My own Country which Is Eritrea, We have 2 Tribes who were kin and lived Next to each other, while one has Moved To the Higlands and Mixed with other Tribes and even other Non african/Hamitic Groups the other Tribe stayed Unmixed to its people and Language. The result In 1000 Years is you would Think there is no way those two are related to each other, But The fact is They are One split into two and The features of the two is identical if you look closely without Judging the clothes or the Lightness of the skin. Amazing and i see that as well with many other groups around africa, Africa is very special you can Change how a tribe would look like and even modernise it but alot of aspects of the ancient way will remain still and one of them is the attachment to a group/Tribe and The less sense of humor of getting fooled Due to our Pride/Dignity Nature.

morpheus24:

As regards the Yoruba language. There are no solid specifics that tie it to the gbe subfamily of languages under the category of Kwa speakers(Tonal, lexicon and sentence structures are debated) in and around the western areas bordering the Atlantic other than the proposition that it is highly likely that migratory patterns westwards would relate languages families across that same migratory line, with later arrivals sharing more similarities with proto-bantu speakers. see attachement below for language categories. the more brownish it gets the closer it is to a BANTU languge. You can also reference the journal of west African languages for each specific language group

A question for you would be what words in Ibibio/Annang/ Efik, Ekoi or Igbo tie them to CURRENT Bantu speakers as opposed to the hypothesized reconstruction of a proto bantu language originating in and around the borders of Nigeria and cameroon?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Niger-Congo_speakers.png

PAGAN 9JA:


Hi Ta Xasa. i think you got some wrong info there. No self-respecting Yoruba (apart from recent fanatical christian converts) will claim descent from Nimrod and all this jews. you must be talking about the Igbos. The Yorubas are descended from Odudua, whos ancestors were apemen, not jews.

PAGAN 9JA:


No, this story of Ham and Nimrod, and bacon, this is all children stories and has no scientiifc basis. it is just used by missionaries to sell their religion to other people around the world. If Nimrod existed, he was probably descended from Africans and not the other way round. and that claim of Northern Hamitics being ancestors of Red Indians AND Polynesians is very funny. Red Indians are more of Mongoloid peoples while Polynesians/Malay peoples are ENTIRELY different peoples who never even encountered each other in history!. you just clubbed them together because they have slant eyes. it is a very wrong claim! and you just made it worse by saying they are descended from Hebrew and biblical Noah, when these people have their own separate religions and cultures which predates monotheistic form of judaism!

TaXasa:

I agree that's how I always seen it the nilotic and cushtic people have a common ancestral bloodline which is pretty evident but most on both sides nilo or cushite would never admit to that both have similar features and some have completly different features but are more related than they actually realize it but i don't believe that the difference in skin tone an hair textures means ones more or less mixed than the next but simply environmental adaptions i believe that whoever the original ancestral bloodline they descended from split they developed their own unique features and looks yet still share similarities between them phenotypically and culturally and depending on where they live and how they live they are going to share those similarities. Sorry if this is late to the topic i just never heard anyone who shares the same idea on that too.
Hello Pagan Welcome to The thread.

The cushtic are Related To The Nilotic People, Most Kushtic People Today are mixed with other race or within themselves. Nilotic people are the most Unmixed Group in africa, 3000 or 4000 Years ago Most of the kushtic groups would have been in similar position. There is even Nilotic Groups who speak a cushtic Language today and at many Tribes who are Nilo and kushtic Mix. None more Visible today than in The omo Valley In Ethiopia (Omotic People/Tribes) Some Look Nilotic But speak cushtic language and some look Kushtic but speak a nilo Language. Also The features are the same if you look carefully Both Kusthtic and Nilotic have Long Neck, Head shape is similar, they are both tall (Nilotic slightly taller) But kushtic are more mixed these days so their shade is lighter. Beside All East Nilotic Language is today Known as Hamitic-Nilo Languages Because it was Created By mixing Nilo langauge and a hamitic language (In particular Kushtic).


Here is a picture Of anuak Nilo... I can Mistake Him easily for a Kushtic person , His features is not far off from how a kushtic would look like.

TaXasa:
Hello Naija People.

I am Ta Xasa, I am From Eritrea, Ta Xasa is which we were Known By the ancient Egyptian As people (Today Known as Tigre But still called xasa),They also called us Punt which was the southern half of Ta-seti as a place, The asiatic Name For us was Eryth Meaning People of the red Land Which Included Eritrea/East Sudan and south East Egypt. Hence Eritrea is the name of The country Today which makes it The oldest Name. I am Here to learn about west Africa In general and Nigeria In Particular, I speak 4 Languages and Beginner On the Fifth, I would say I am an expert in East africa History Especially ancient History, But abit poor on west african History However we can help each other to learn about our african History

Feel Free to ask me anything in regards to East africa and middle east, I am also very good at ancient Egyptian History I lived In egypt for many Years and speak Arabic and there is a tribe in the south who are a Kin to Mine.

I will ask the first question: Is it true there is a tribe In nigeria who trace their Lineage to Nimrod?? If so who is it IgboYouruba?? hausa


And don't ask me if we are The same as Ethiopians we are Not, Ethiopians have different ancestory to Eritreans, Eritreans are mainly Decendents of Beja while Ethiopians are Agew and Oromo based Tribes. Eritreans Direct Related People By blood are the Beja of East Sudan and south East Egypt and the Red Afars Of djbouti.

Peace and good wishes.

Ta xasa.