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Afrobasic: Can this thread be nominated for front page again?

And why if i may ask

joe4christ:

And why if i may ask

some really good quotes here

Avicenna:
^thanks. I will soon graduate medical school,maybe then........

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mazaje:


Actually the koran came from men who wrote it and ascribed it to some invisible and imaginary deity called allah, i have repeated many many times that there is NOTHING written inside the koran that could not have been written by humans that lived during the 7th century AD. . .The claim that mohammed was an illiterate REMAINS A BIG LIE. . .The claim was made so as to deflect the charge that most of the stories in the koran were copied in the bible. . .If they come up with the lie that mohammed was an illiterate then they can claim divine revelation because an illiterate can not read the hebrew scriptures. . .Mohammed and his cronies just took already organized and established religions(christianity and judaism) worked through it and formed their own religion out of it. . .Nothing new there. . .

You're right. The Quran is OBVIOUSLY a plagiarized copy of the Bible. Even Jesus makes an appearance. Muslims don't seem to notice because they've never read the bible.

Emonkey1:

What makes it risky?

The Quran prescribes a very elaborate process of dealing with people who abandon the faith, basically they are not to escape with their LIVES.

Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

The only freedom in Islam is the freedom to become a Muslim.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/012-apostasy.htm

From the Hadith:

The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.

Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

TRUESAINT1:


If you want to say there's no logical proof of the existence of God, then please show me the logical proof that He does not exist.

The proof for God falls on you, the person in possession of the book that was allegedly written by God.

I have books too. Books are nothing. Prove to me that your book is not exactly like one of mine, that it was dictated by an angel to an illiterate person. Every single book I own in life was written by human beings without divine authorship. Prove to me that your book is special, that spirit people dictated it.

I DONT KNOW WHEN THESE CHRISTAINS WILL START TO RESPECT OTHER'S WISH. ANYONE CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER SEEMS RIGHT AS FAR AS HE DOESNT FORCE U INTO IT

There is a fact that u dont know or u know but just denying it. USA under supervisorship of aliens had been promoting godlessness since 60s & had gained non-affiliate members all over the world under the costituted right to be a member of religions or not however, as far as someone is satisfied he does not owe anyone an explanation. CHOOSE WHAT SEEMS GOOD FOR U There is a fact that u dont know or u know but just denying it. USA under supervisorship of aliens had been promoting godlessness since 60s & had gained non-affiliate members all over the world under the costituted right to be a member of religions or not however, as far as someone is satisfied he does not owe anyone an explanation. CHOOSE WHAT SEEMS GOOD FOR U There is a fact that u dont know or u know but just denying it. USA under supervisorship of aliens had been promoting godlessness since 60s & had gained non-affiliate members all over the world under the costituted right to be a member of religions or not however, as far a

mynairatime:
I DONT KNOW WHEN THESE CHRISTAINS WILL START TO RESPECT OTHER'S WISH. ANYONE CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER SEEMS RIGHT AS FAR AS HE DOESNT FORCE U INTO IT

piyaun piyaun piyaun .... (21 gun salute).

It is the forcing part that I don't like about any religionist.

But the matter is not so simple. There are many aspects of religion. 2 important aspects are Personal/private religion and then Civic religion.

Civic aspects or religion with dictate how a society does it's thing. When it goes on holidays when it has feasts and public gatherings.

The problem is that in a multi-cultural/religious society the civic aspects will clash.

The solution might be that a society has to either chose One religion that all it's citizens must abide by OR the society embraces secularism which necessarily bans all civic aspects of religion and insists that religion must only be a matter of personal relationship with deity.
Luckily this is what a lot of christians claim anyway, that it is a personal relationship bla bla bla. However their practice contradicts it totally. When praying they will blast it out on megaphones for the whole street to hear.
It remains for them to start to knack their wives on the street to really demonstrate that they have no idea of the difference between private matter and public affair.