madrid5:
just because object A(corruption) is also a problem doesnt mean object B(religion ) is not also a problem

Swissh:

As if an atheist president will not steal billions of naira as well. Mumu people blaming their shortcomings on religion. People are stupid, people are selfish, people are Marlians .....It has nothing to do with religion.

gensteejay:

You're right about the highlighted. The foundation of Nigeria was poorly laid, and one Nigeria is a myth.

Even though the advocates of one Nigeria don't want a breakup, they can't waive aside the import of restructuring.

However, that requires a lot of political will. And Nigerians won't even vote for leaders that have the potential to achieve that once they don't run on the platform of either PDP or APC.

Most will simply support popular candidates with the largest money bags to spend, running on either of those main parties and pray to their god the (s)elected candidates get it right when they get to the helm.

But can mere prayers make an Ahmed Musa become a Messi?

Leyqute:


Apart from that, those people had a general agreement on infrastructure, health, and other stuff that makes an economy tick irrespective of their background and ideologies.

Nigeria also has oil but the opposite is the reality. To us, oil was a curse, to them it was a blessing. Why?

BlueRayDick:


Chai! It's still a win for him at the end of the day sef.

Obviously na that other guy just test the waters first. More like a forerunner for the big masquerade.

kakakii:
My own opinion.

1. I don't think religion is only the problem in this country, it's just among the major problem we face as a country.

In the east, it's pretty common to see a Yoruba christian marrying an igbo christian especially people attending the Pentecostal church. You will however almost never see a Yoruba Muslim marrying an igbo christian one must convert for others for peace to reign. I personal believe religion is part of the problem in this country.


2. You can't put all the blame on the religion for being in existence, if we have a good leader and working economy people will have few reason to go to church or mosque , that's why any good thing you benefit as a citizen is considered a miracle.

Recently the Catholics asked the FG to use some of their churches as isolation centre. Had it been we have enough isolation centre would the government be at the mercy of the Catholics . I'm sure they will gain more followers for this deed


OYEDEPO has done few roads by himself, something that should be the government responsibility. Religion thrive where there is bad leadership. As long as we have bad leadership religion will continue to thrive ..


People needs hope and religion is giving it to them

donjazet:


While most of your postulations are accurate, there is still a point you have missed.
We are not just saying religion is a problem. But RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY is a large problem.

In Northern Nigeria, you cannot distinguish between religion and tradition because both have become intertwined to become their predominant culture.
Unlike the south where tradition and religion is still quite apart. But religion now takes forefront of people's mind.

For instance, if an igbo man marries a Yoruba girl, a few rural villagers will frown
it but will accept it, however if a Christian igbo marries an Islamic girl, it is instantly frowned upon and unacceptable by all and sundry. You become an island in your hometown.
That is religious bigotry laid bare.
Now this mentality is harboured and exhibited by our leaders since they are an extraction from the people.

Godx:

Religion itself has no hands in any problem in Nigeria. Use me and my religion Christianity as an example. I believe in God and my beliefs are set on not stealing, lying, commiting adultery, killing, bearing false witness and loving my neighbors as I love my self. If I obey those basic principles how is my faith a problem to Nigeria?

Godx:

Religion itself has no hands in any problem in Nigeria. Use me and my religion Christianity as an example. I believe in God and my beliefs are set on not stealing, lying, commiting adultery, killing, bearing false witness and loving my neighbors as I love my self. If I obey those basic principles how is my faith a problem to Nigeria?

Singapore1:

you can't use yourself, that's not being objective

odizeey:


Them go shout Jesus

Godx:

Religion itself has no hands in any problem in Nigeria. Use me and my religion Christianity as an example. I believe in God and my beliefs are set on not stealing, lying, commiting adultery, killing, bearing false witness and loving my neighbors as I love my self. If I obey those basic principles how is my faith a problem to Nigeria?

donjazet:


A simple question for you. And I hope you will be honest.

Can you a Christian see yourself marrying a FERVENT Muslim girl.
Please also attach a reason to your answer.

Godx:

Religion itself has no hands in any problem in Nigeria. Use me and my religion Christianity as an example. I believe in God and my beliefs are set on not stealing, lying, commiting adultery, killing, bearing false witness and loving my neighbors as I love my self. If I obey those basic principles how is my faith a problem to Nigeria?

donjazet:


Religion encourages discrimination ,fosters disunity which hinders growth and progress. Most wars in the world are rooted in religious beliefs and tribalism.

donjazet:


My first post on this issue answers your question.

Godx:

The answer and the reason is in the post you quoted. "loving my neighbors as I love my self"

Godx:

The answer and the reason is in the post you quoted. "loving my neighbors as I love my self"

gensteejay:
And you see any sense in this? I should take responsibility for what exactly?

gensteejay:
Talking about going for posts, why don't you come back to Nigeria and join politics since you love taking responsibility so much?
Must a person join politics to contribute to nation-building?

gensteejay:
All these things are simply too much for your IQ to process because your posts on this issue are bereft of any ideas showing you lack even the slightest understanding of the magnitude of the rot this country is in.
How do you expect my IQ to process your emptiness? The rot in Nigeria is well defined in people like you who’ve never lifted a finger to help the system.

People that are smart will have already seen that a number of factors such as religion, low literacy level, and tribalism work together to keep Nigeria in the doldrums.

gensteejay:
But people like you can't even understand the root causes of the Nigerian problem. When you can't identify the problems, the solution will remain elusive.

gensteejay:
All you simply do is put the blame on corrupt leaders as if they are aliens and are not drawn from the Nigerian people.

But the leaders are only a reflection of the people. And when the majority are mentally lazy folks that rely solely on praying to a god for the good things of life yet do next to nothing to make things better, then the few smart ones around will keep on leaving for saner climes.

The Nigerian problem is one of (warped) mentality, occasioned by superstitious religious beliefs and low literacy level.

gensteejay:
When most learn to focus less on the gods and God and prioritize science, education, and research, then Nigeria's rise to greatness will start.

Anyone with common sense would know that you can't place more value on religion (by littering all the streets with churches and mosques, wasting billions of naira yearly on pilgrimages to Israel and Saudi) and relegate youth education to the background, and yet you want a better Nigeria.

gensteejay:
Personally, I know of people that are planning to spend lots of funds on hajj but a number of their kids aren't doing well financially, and those funds could do a lot to ensure they're financially empowered.

The phrase, “Olohun a se e" (god will do it), is the common utterance this sort of parents make to escape looking at the issue critically.

gensteejay:
Their priority is mainly on worshipping and pleasing their god to make heaven. Is it not more reasonable to create this heaven on earth?

donjazet:


I have said it before that deriving your values from the Bible or any other holy book is actually dangerous because it is very much contradictory and you can justify any action you take with quotes or verses of the Holy book.

Now you are conveniently pointing out the good part that teaches you love.

What apart the part that condemns the unbelievers. Or the part that term people opposed to the religion to "die by fire".

What about the part of the hadith that encourages mass murder and promise of 72 virgins in "paradise".
In the end we gain our moral values IN SPITE of religion not because of religion.

A religious person will ALWAYS be suspicious of someone who doesn't share his same belief.
Nigerias problems hinge on both RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL DIFFERENCES. this has been my point all along.
The two go hand in hand.

I chose to ask you about the inter religious marriage, because marriage is the ultimate social structure of unity. Any two people that can get married without any social problems indicate a healthy relationship between the two sides.

diggz:



You, gensteejay and madrid5 never start....lol. You people keep pointing your fingers in the wrong direction, blaming religion and other things while leaving yourselves out of it.

Simple question: which of you 'non-religious persons' is a card carrying party member?

BlueRayDick:


Yes u are right that Nigerians may likely not support anybody that contests outside Apc or PDP. This has nothing to do with religion.

Politics is a game of numbers. Nobody wants to support a candidate is almost certain he's going to lose. So why waste the vote?

Do u know the reason why people like Sowore, Moghalu and the likes that want to form third force will continue to lose? It is because they do not understand Nigeria's politics is best played at the grassroot. You don't win elections via online poll or social media posts.

Since may 2019 when Buhari has been sworn in, what majority of those guys have been doing is criticizing, calling for a never-happening revolution and some just quite for reasons best known to them. They have 4 good years ahead of them to prepare for an election and what Sowore has done is to get arrested, released, rearrested and released for the past one year.

For a serious third force their focus would've been to at least make sure they have presence in all the 774 local governments in Nigeria, hold ward meetings weekly, encourage their members to invite their friends and colleagues to join them as time goes on. That is how a party following is built at the grassroots. How do you think Apc keeps winning Lagos? I do see them in my area, the elderly ones and the younger generations holding ward meetings weekly. Do u know those Apc members have membership cards?

When people see them go to these ward meetings for complete 3 years, it builds a kind of image in the mind of the people that this is a serious party that means business. Not some young former SUG president chasing clout. This instills a certain confidence in the voting public and they will do away with the fear that their votes will be lost.

Honestly I like Sowore, dem Moghalu because on the surface they look like they mean well for the populace, but they still need to understand that the electioneering process doesn't start a year to general election. That is why PDP keeps losing in Lagos ; the people are yearning for a change of power, but PDP's presence in the localities is almost non existent prior to an election year

donjazet:


I have said it before that deriving your values from the Bible or any other holy book is actually dangerous because it is very much contradictory and you can justify any action you take with quotes or verses of the Holy book.

Now you are conveniently pointing out the good part that teaches you love.

What apart the part that condemns the unbelievers. Or the part that term people opposed to the religion to "die by fire".

What about the part of the hadith that encourages mass murder and promise of 72 virgins in "paradise".
In the end we gain our moral values IN SPITE of religion not because of religion.

A religious person will ALWAYS be suspicious of someone who doesn't share his same belief.
Nigerias problems hinge on both RELIGIOUS AND TRIBAL DIFFERENCES. this has been my point all along.
The two go hand in hand.

I chose to ask you about the inter religious marriage, because marriage is the ultimate social structure of unity. Any two people that can get married without any social problems indicate a healthy relationship between the two sides.

BlueRayDick:


I grew up in Muslim-Christian home. My old man is a Muslim and my mum a Christian. Till date I've never seen my parents quarrel( I don't even mean fight, I mean quarrel).....They may have their differences which they sort out in the corner of their room, but we the children saw loving parents who married out of love and live their life by the happy choice they made.

I kid you Not, some inter-religious marriages are way solid than intra-religious ones. In fact, growing up in such homes makes one tolerant of other people's religious and non-religious views. I personally won't flare up and start calling people fooools and insult them as being not enlightened because of their religious views ( like some people do here on nairaland)

larride:
Critical thinking without action.


Diggz I Dey gbadun you jare. Fire on.

Griffon: