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Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Ariani: 12:06am On Mar 21, 2016
Moreover SLS lied for claiming that Yorubas were guilty of the first attempt to take over power by unconstitutional means in his obvious reference to Awo's alleged coup. The actual first and successful attempt to bypass constitutional provisions to take over power was by the Hausa-Igbo collusion of Zik/Balewa/Ahmadu Bello NPC-NCNC coalition government when they re-appointed their ally and stooge, Akintola, as premier of the Western Region without any election as against the Western Region's constitution then.

The decision to crip the wings of Awo was that of NPC and not NCNC, your fast move to rope NCNC into that was typical of your ilks( Yorubas), always eager to lay the troubles youcreated for yourselves at the feet of the Igbo man, rather than face your northern friends, who you happen to be fellow muslims with.

It was Tafawa Balewa that made it clear that he was out to conquer the western region, Akintola was your Afonja,and from my understanding, his political wing more than politically matched Awo's.

And Yes, he ( Awo) Committed the first civilian coup, was found guilty of treason and other corruption charges in a court of justice, and rightly jailed.

SLS is right with that bit of history, and his summation of Yoruba, as the problem with Nigeria.
Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Ariani: 12:21am On Mar 21, 2016
However the posers put forward by the OP that Zik blighted the future of the South with his countless alliances and rather worthless compromises with the North remain unaddressed by our Igbo brothers. If Zik had not been so naively to keep seeking the inclusion of the North as part of Nigeria, the question of Awolowo staging a coup, Biafra War decimating Igbos, Ojukwu did this and that, today's Yoruba vs Igbo antipathy and all what not would not have been. Zik messed up the entire South, simple and Short!

Let it be known that it was the greedy Awo who was too eager to play at the center, ended up playing treacherous game of using Akintola to try to form alliance with the North, while same time trying to sound out Zik that left him empty handed and forced zik to ally with the North.

Awo also introduced tribal politics in the western house, killing any chance of southern unity there too.

I think SLS article captured those points well.
Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Deadlytruth(m): 4:12am On Mar 21, 2016
Ariani:
Moreover SLS lied for claiming that Yorubas were guilty of the first attempt to take over power by unconstitutional means in his obvious reference to Awo's alleged coup. The actual first and successful attempt to bypass constitutional provisions to take over power was by the Hausa-Igbo collusion of Zik/Balewa/Ahmadu Bello NPC-NCNC coalition government when they re-appointed their ally and stooge, Akintola, as premier of the Western Region without any election as against the Western Region's constitution then.

The decision to crip the wings of Awo was that of NPC and not NCNC, your fast move to rope NCNC into that was typical of your ilks( Yorubas), always eager to lay the troubles youcreated for yourselves at the feet of the Igbo man, rather than face your northern friends, who you happen to be fellow muslims with.

It was Tafawa Balewa that made it clear that he was out to conquer the western region, Akintola was your Afonja,and from my understanding, his political wing more than politically matched Awo's.

And Yes, he ( Awo) Committed the first civilian coup, was found guilty of treason and other corruption charges in a court of justice, and rightly jailed.

SLS is right with that bit of history, and his summation of Yoruba, as the problem with Nigeria.

I can see at play again the usual Igbo disease of assuming whoever disagrees with Igbo style and approach to politics is a Yoruba person. Very pitiable mindset. So every other non Yoruba must always justify your greed and defend your lies? What an insult.
The decision to crush the Western Region was that of the coalition government made up of NCNC and NPC. If NCNC was not involved in that decision, then why did Zik not resign from that government in protest to that or at least speak out against it? If NCNC was not part of the plot, then why did the NCNC members of the Western House cause chaos and prevent the House from carrying out the voting to determine whether Akintola would continue as premier or not? Awolowo's indictment was politically motivated by Zik and Balewa. Zik and Balewa also were the first to bypass laid down rules to take over power and that itself was a coup. SLS made that analysis while all was well between him and the Yaradua/GEJ regime. But the moment he got into murky waters with GEJ and the ACN formed a coalition with his brothers he never criticized yorubas again till today. Igbos' shortsighted greed ruined Nigeria.

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Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Deadlytruth(m): 5:11am On Mar 21, 2016
Ariani:
However the posers put forward by the OP that Zik blighted the future of the South with his countless alliances and rather worthless compromises with the North remain unaddressed by our Igbo brothers. If Zik had not been so naively to keep seeking the inclusion of the North as part of Nigeria, the question of Awolowo staging a coup, Biafra War decimating Igbos, Ojukwu did this and that, today's Yoruba vs Igbo antipathy and all what not would not have been. Zik messed up the entire South, simple and Short!

Let it be known that it was the greedy Awo who was too eager to play at the center, ended up playing treacherous game of using Akintola to try to form alliance with the North, while same time trying to sound out Zik that left him empty handed and forced zik to ally with the North.

Awo also introduced tribal politics in the western house, killing any chance of southern unity there too.

I think SLS article captured those points well.

Let it be known that Zik had even before 1960 always wanted to form alliance with the North, hence cooked up the Awolowo double dealing theory to defend his blunder of teaming up with the North when it began to boomerang. The following points suffice:
1. What double dealing did Awolowo also do in 1957 that made Zik decide to sell out by asking the entire South to wait till the North became ready for independence?
2. What double dealing did Awolowo do in 1938 when Zik decided to split NYM along Igbo/Yoruba lines?
3. Akintola went to Ahmadu Bello entirely on his own to seek a deal because he was already a minister in the pre-independence government put in place by the colonial masters and headed by Balewa. Akintola obviously did not want to lose his position which was what Awo's anti-AG/NPC coalition posture implied.
3.When Zik heard Awo had simultaneously sent Akintola to Ahmadu Bello, why did he (Zik) not simply call Awolowo on phone to find out from him if he was actually behind Akintola? Rather than do so Zik is reported to have said, "....the snake we are trying to kill has two heads". That means he himself implicitly confessed that he had always nursed a desire to kill (ruin) Awo politically even before that time that Awo was alleged to have doubly sought coalition with him and Ahmadu Bello and that Zik only came to 'discover' at that moment that the snake even had two heads. That shows Zik never really liked him even before then and was therefore ready to accept any excuse, however flimsy, to justify any ruinous onslaught on him. If not why did Zik find it difficult to just dial him on phone and ask him if he actually sent Akintola to Ahmadu Bello knowing fully well that Akintola and Awo already hated each other as of then?
4. For Ahmadu Bello to call Zik on phone and notify him that Akintola was with him with an alternative deal meant that Zik himself too had already begun talks of striking a deal with Ahmadu Bello. That reinforces the fact that Zik always wanted to work with the North against the Southern interest. If Zik too had not already sent emissary to Ahmadu Bello, then Ahmadu Bello would not have found it necessary to call Zik back and inform him of the new development.
5. One would have expected Ahmadu Bello to call Awolowo first and ask him whether it was he who actually sent Akintola to him. That Bello did not bother to do so meant he already knew and believed Awo had no hand in it owing to his hitherto publicly demonstrated dislike for the North.
6. If Zik sincerely believe that Awo was double faced, then Why did Zik, in less that 4 years, later agree and even send Michael Okpara to Ibadan to meet Awo's wife towards seeking a new deal between NCNC and AG that led to the UPGA merger poised to remove Balewa from power? Had Zik forgotten that it was the same 'snake' with two heads he was now seeking alliance with? Had Awolowo turned from a snake back into a human being while in prison at that time Zik was seeking the UPGA alliance with the AG faction of the same Awolowo? Why did Zik fail to suspect again that Awolowo could possibly be making another simultaneous deal with the Balewa-Akintola NNA while agreeing to form UPGA with him?
7. Did Zik not even later abandon the UPGA and crossed over back to the NNA when the later offered him his empty position of ceremonial president again?
8. Did Zik not also initially back Biafra only for him to defect to the Nigerian side when Biafra began to lose?

The three last instances (Nos. 6,7 and cool shows clearly that Zik himself was the two headed snake which Awolowo unfortunately never tried to kill but kept allowing to bite him even into jail in collusion with his masters up North.
Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Deadlytruth(m): 5:13am On Mar 21, 2016
The following accounts exposes Zik as he who introduced tribalism not only into politics but into the Nigerian national life entirely.
1. In 1938 he pulled out all his Igbo brothers from NYM in protest against the victory of an Ijaw man over the Yoruba man Igbos supported.
2. In 1949 Zik boasted openly that it appeared a certain god of Igbos had destined them (Igbos to free Nigeria and indeed Africa from the captivity of ages. This was an implicit claim that the Igbo tribe was superior to all others in Africa. If that was not tribalism what else could it be?
3. NCNC was formed by a Yoruba man and Zik was made his deputy by him. The same Zik was handed NCNC by the Yoruba man Macaulay at the point of his death but in less than 10 years Zik had converted it to a full Igbo party and even chose an Igbo like himself as deputy, moved the soul of the party to the East.

All these happened before 1954 - the year of the Western Region saga, and Awolowo became circumspect of Zik's deep seated tribal propensities hence Awolowo had to throw the nuisance out of the Western Region when he made his attempt to capture the West for that Igbo god. Had he succeeded he would have claimed that the superiority of the Igbo tribe and that god of Igbos had finally bestowed leadership on them over other tribes. Then he would have ruined the Western Region with his bad policies and moved up North to seek Premiership too and then moved over to Ghana and other African countries one after the other to seek presidency in order to further prove that their god had destined them to rule over all others. No wonder he sought to be the Zik of Africa by all means.

If Awolowo was truly found guilty of corruption then why did the Zik-Balewa government not trace those accounts he 'stole' those monies into and freeze them? Why did Zik later seek the UPGA alliance with Awo the person who was earlier 'indicted' and 'convicted' of corruption by the very government he himself (Zik) was part and parcel of? Was Zik so unprincipled to align with a corrupt person in trying to oust his new enemy, Balewa, from power?
Zik was even the one actually guilty of corruption as he was the first ever Nigerian to be charged with corruption by even the colonial masters themselves over his fraudulent involvement with Africa Development Bank finances far far before independence. The issue was swept under the carpet by the Balewa government because he (Zik) was part of the governing NCNC-NPC coalition.
Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Ariani: 7:17am On Mar 21, 2016
I don't know why you are writing long epistles.
The summary of the matter.
- Awo wanted central power, but his treachery of trying to play the North and Zik killed his chances and left him high and dry.

- Awo would attempt a civilian coup to wrestle power from from the center, having failed to do so democratically due to his greed, was caught, tried in a court of justice by a Yoruba judge, found guilty of treason and corrupt practices, and rightly jailed.

- Zik/ NCNC, had no hands in Awo's travails, his greed and desire for central power was his undoing. On the contrary, it was Zik who pleaded that Awo be jailed in Calabar instead of North, for zik feared for the safety of Awo in the Northern. prison, where the Northern youths are rightfully angry with Awo for his greed in trying to usurp Tafawa govt.

-- Awo never wasted time at the opportunity of having central powers( this had been his life long desire, behind the camouflage of a man just comfortable with regional powers) the moment Gowon offered him that option.

-- Awo would later attempt a second civilian coup to oust IBB, was caught again and took his life, rather than accept the option of exile offered to him by IBB.

--Awo was driven by bitterness, greed and lust for central power all his life, and those vices eventually consumed him.

Thanks
Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Deadlytruth(m): 8:09am On Mar 21, 2016
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Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Deadlytruth(m): 8:24am On Mar 21, 2016
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Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Deadlytruth(m): 9:33am On Mar 21, 2016
Ariani:
. If GEJ were wise, he would have steered a middle course between Yorubas and Igbos knowing fully well that these two tribes don't see eye to eye. But as a SS person who should be neutral he tilted too much towards the Igbos and so lost the Yoruba solidarity he acquired in 2011. Due to his excessive desire to please the Core North

Do you mind explaining what you mean by the above vomit.

You better lick that vomit as it is self-explanatory. The explanation is in the part you deliberately cut away in quoting it.
Re: The Igbo And Yoruba Relationship - By Niger Delta Congress by Deadlytruth(m): 9:39am On Mar 21, 2016
[I don't know why you are writing long epistles.]...................................................................................................

Yourself has written long epistles too.

[ The summary of the matter.
- Awo wanted central power, but his treachery of trying to play the North and Zik killed his chances and left him high and dry.]..........................................................................................................................................

I have already punctured that fallacy with superior logic. You rather furnish us we a more power logic or refrain from making that accusation. Zik and Igbos lust for power has rather left them high, dry and irrelevant till today in Nigeria's politics. Even the Southern Minorities they so hated and oppressed have become more relevant than them.

[ Awo would attempt a civilian coup to wrestle power from from the center, having failed to do so democratically due to his greed, was caught, tried in a court of justice by a Yoruba judge, found guilty of treason and corrupt practices, and rightly jailed.].....................................................................................................................................................

I have already explained that Awo's coup was in response to Zik-Balewa coup against the Western Region. The Yoruba George was working for Zik and Balewa.

[ Zik/ NCNC, had no hands in Awo's travails, his greed and desire for central power was his undoing. On the contrary, it was Zik who pleaded that Awo be jailed in Calabar instead of North, for zik feared for the safety of Awo in the Northern prison, where the Northern youths are rightfully angry with Awo for his greed in trying to usurp Tafawa govt.]...................................................................................................................................................................................

Zik was part and parcel of the government that jailed Awolowo so he can't be innocent as long as he did not resign in protest. If he truly had the power to plead that Awo be taken to Calabar Prison he should have also used same to plead for a reduction of the jail term. Zik's position was ceremonial and empty. Why would he plead for leniency on behalf of the same person he earlier called a two headed snake he was trying to kill? Was that not an opportunity to finally kill the 'snake'? Please cook a sweeter lie.
However Awo was first taken to Lekki prison and later transferred to Calabar. The question of Northern prison never arose.

[ Awo never wasted time at the opportunity of having central powers( this had been his life long desire, behind the camouflage of a man just comfortable with regional powers) the moment Gowon offered him that option.]....................................................................................................

Awo always wanted Middle Belt alliance against the Core North hence his alliance with UMBC. Gowon himself is a middle belter. Awo was therefore consistent in his desire. Moreover Awo was released by Gowon so it would have been absurd and a big ingratitude and treacherous for him to reject Gowon's offer and team up with Biafrans against Gowon when it was Biafrans who colluded with the Core North to jail him in the first instance. Gowon also released Isaac Adaka Boro, and Boro did same by teaming up with Gowon in gratitude against Ojukwu who earlier crushed his Niger Delta Republic declaration and got him sentenced to death. It is the natural way any reasonable person would responded under such circumstances.

[ Awo would later attempt a second civilian coup to oust IBB, was caught again and took his life, rather than accept the option of exile offered to him by IBB.]..............................................................................................................................................................

That is mere conjecture till it is proven logically.
Why did IBB not arrest and publicly try all his accomplices in the said coup after Awo allegedly committed suicide over same? You obviously don't know how the military handles coups.
May be it was a one-man coup by only Awo. Very funny allegation!

[Awo was driven by bitterness, greed and lust for central power all his life, and those vices eventually consumed him.]

Those characteristics were more of Zik's.



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