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Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:26am On Jun 23, 2012
chidexy:

While technically, the House can summon anyone, but they cannot extend such powers to the President since they do not have the legal authority to enforce his being summoned - it's a simple as that.

Say, under what legal authority are they summoning the President and Commander in-Chief?

Um.. . . again, the House CAN SUMMON ANYONE(ANYONE means EVERYONE especially when there are no exceptions specified), so says the Constitution. . . . and as long as NO ONE is EXEMPT FROM THAT RULE(THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS APPLIED FOR ANYONE), thats mean that the HOUSE can summon even the president. You claimed to speak of a PRESIDENTIAL SYSTEM, then I suggest you get to work READING UP ON YOUR CONSTITUTION AND WHAT IT SAYS. It is the same even here in the UNITED states.

Please Educate yourself especially since I see you have followers to seem to cling to your words there. IF THE CONSTITUTIONS MAKES NO EXCEPTION, the the rule applies to ALL and SUNDRY.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Beaf: 1:29am On Jun 23, 2012
Kobojunkie:

Um.. . . again, the House CAN SUMMON ANYONE(ANYONE INCLUDES ANYONE EVEN THE PRESIDENT), so says the Constitution. . . . and as long as NO ONE is EXEMPT FROM THAT RULE(THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS APPLIED FOR ANYONE), that mean that the house can summon the president. It is the same even here in the UNITED states.

Please Educate yourself especially since I see you have followers to seem to cling to your words there. IF THE CONSTITUTIONS MAKES NO EXCEPTION, the the rule applies to ALL and SUNDRY.

[size=14pt]When has congress ever summoned the US President, liar?
Thats the question, liar.[/size]
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Johndoe100(m): 1:37am On Jun 23, 2012
Beaf:

[size=14pt]When has congress ever summoned the US President, liar?
Thats the question, liar.[/size]

Word!!!!!
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 1:55am On Jun 23, 2012
see them, just like their aboki brothers, wanting to twist nature to suit their evil desires.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by tern: 12:08pm On Jun 23, 2012
maclatunji: Hahahahaha- Power resides with the people and the National Assembly is the constitutional representative of the people. They can summon anybody in Nigeria. See how people just post without any valid points raised. Farouk Lawan's case is separate from GEJ and in any case is being handled by the House through its institutional mechanisms. Already, the man has been suspended, which official in the Executive has GEJ suspended or sacked in view of very detailed allegations and evidence of corruption? If you cannot find any, let me point one out for you, the extra-budgetary spending on oil subsidy. Where did the money come from and how did this government spend it without appropriation by the National Assembly? GEJ has a lot of questions to answer and this is not the Presidential campaign debate that he manipulated to serve his purposes.

He has to answer questions because Nigerians are tired of stories and excuses!

Gbam!! wink wink wink You're very correct. A lot of us shy away from the truth and tend to be sentimental about issues rather than being objective. farouk lawan is a member of the house of rep. and not the house rep. the house of rep is constitutionally empowered to invite anybody to for questioning. if Jona has nothing to hide, he should responsibly honour their invitation.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 12:29pm On Jun 23, 2012
Again . . .

chidexy:

While technically, the House can summon anyone, but they cannot extend such powers to the President since they do not have the legal authority to enforce his being summoned - it's a simple as that.

Say, under what legal authority are they summoning the President and Commander in-Chief?

Um.. . . again, the House CAN SUMMON ANYONE(ANYONE means EVERYONE especially when there are no exceptions specified), so says the Constitution. . . . and as long as NO ONE is EXEMPT FROM THAT RULE(THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS APPLIED FOR ANYONE), thats mean that the HOUSE can summon even the president. You claimed to speak of a PRESIDENTIAL SYSTEM, then I suggest you get to work READING UP ON YOUR CONSTITUTION AND WHAT IT SAYS. It is the same even here in the UNITED states.

Please Educate yourself especially since I see you have followers to seem to cling to your words there. IF THE CONSTITUTIONS MAKES NO EXCEPTION, the the rule applies to ALL and SUNDRY.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by maclatunji: 12:38pm On Jun 23, 2012
Don't worry, did Bill Clinton not face questioning by the US Congress? GEJ's time is coming.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 12:44pm On Jun 23, 2012
maclatunji: Don't worry, did Bill Clinton not face questioning by the US Congress? GEJ's time is coming.
that was an impeachment
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 12:50pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:

that was an impeachment

There is no special case made in the Constitution for impeachment trial summoning of the president by Congress that I have seen or read of, either in the US constitution or the Nigerian Constitution. Summoning is a summoning, whether for impeachment purposes or questions on other issues. In Nigeria's case, since the President is in Charge of Security and the Armed forces, it makes even more sense that the President should expect to be summon more often than, say an American President would.

Rather than continuing to submit the same tripe each time, why not show us, the people, where exactly you get your idea of a summoning of the president being only applicable for purpose of impeachments.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 12:54pm On Jun 23, 2012
yes there are crystal clear conditions for an impeachment. The process must be endorsed by at least a 2/3 majority of bout houses and the impeachment process will be a joint hearing by both houses. Clinton was impeached that's why he gave a video conferencing.

An impeachment process is also an impeachment weather you survive it or not.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:08pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:
yes there are crystal clear conditions for an impeachment. The process must be endorsed by at least a 2/3 majority of bout houses and the impeachment process will be a joint hearing by both houses. Clinton was impeached that's why he gave a video conferencing.

An impeachment process is also an impeachment weather you survive it or not.

Do not try to confuse us here by pretending the impeachment process [/b]somehow explains away a summoning. In both cases summoning rules are dealt with separat from the impeachment [b]process. Instead, Tell us where these crystal clear conditions on IMPEACHMENT-ONLY SUMMONING can be found in the Constitution . . . Please SHOW US, don't tell us!!
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 1:12pm On Jun 23, 2012
Because the National Assembly cannot extend an invitation to the President or any citizen with full immunity that's why.

And in case you forgot the ultimate ruling house is not the Legislative but the Supreme court which has the power to interpret any piece of legislation or law and decree it either constitutional or unconstitutional. So if the supreme court can't subpoena the President what makes you think the House can?
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 1:14pm On Jun 23, 2012
Whenever the President is addressing the house, it is never an interrogative affair rather a declaration. Do not confuse budgetary proposals and war declarations as a summons since the President is not expected to be interrupted or questioned.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:19pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:
Because the National Assembly cannot extend an invitation to the President or any citizen with full immunity that's why.

And in case you forgot the ultimate ruling house is not the Legislative but the Supreme court which has the power to interpret any piece of legislation or law and decree it either constitutional or unconstitutional. So if the supreme court can't subpoena the President what makes you think the House can?

Stop making things up! What are you rambling about now?

The constitution does not need to be interpreted by the courts before NASS can take advantage of the powers bestowed on it. Many of the rules are in plain English and if needs to be changed, NASS does that, not the courts. The courts have no powers over the House. Please read your own constitution before you yap on.

Again

Kobojunkie: Instead, Tell us where these crystal clear conditions on IMPEACHMENT-ONLY SUMMONING can be found in the Constitution . . . Please SHOW US, don't tell us!!
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:21pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:
Whenever the President is addressing the house, it is never an interrogative affair rather a declaration. Do not confuse budgetary proposals and war declarations as a summons since the President is not expected to be interrupted or questioned.

Enough of the Bulls-hitting
Again
Kobojunkie: Instead, Tell us where these crystal clear conditions on IMPEACHMENT-ONLY SUMMONING can be found in the Constitution . . . Please SHOW US, don't tell us!!
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 1:28pm On Jun 23, 2012
Kobojunkie:

Stop making things up! What are you rambling about now?

The constitution does not need to be interpreted by the courts before NASS can take advantage of the powers bestowed on it. Many of the rules are in plain English and if needs to be changed, NASS does that, not the courts. The courts have no powers over the House. Please read your own constitution before you yap on.

Again


the supreme court can rule any piece of legislation that is deemed unconstitutional. For example the criminalization of Gays can be argued as an infringement of civil liberties and personal rights and dignities. The house passed that bill but it can be overturned by the Supreme court if argued.

There have been many bills passed by state Assemblies in the U.S. that have been overturned by the Supreme court. FACT.

Secondly, to demonstrate the enormous power the President wields, He/She can actually suspend the constitution through introduction of Marshal Law and thus make the House go on a long recess.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:30pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:


the supreme court can rule any piece of legislation that is deemed unconstitutional. For example the criminalization of Gays can be argued as an infringement of civil liberties and personal rights and dignities. The house passed that bill but it can be overturned by the Supreme court if argued.

There have been many bills passed by state Assemblies in the U.S. that have been overturned by the Supreme court. FACT.

Secondly, to demonstrate the enormous power the President wields, He/She can actually suspend the constitution through introduction of Marshal Law and thus make the House go on a long recess.

Again . .. Enough of the Bulls-hitting and attempts at derailing the discussion. . . You probably love to read your own yaps, and that is fine for you . . . . Most of us just want to deal with the facts
Kobojunkie: Instead, Tell us where these crystal clear conditions on IMPEACHMENT-ONLY SUMMONING can be found in the Constitution . . . Please SHOW US, don't tell us!!

Show us where in the Constitution it is written.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 1:30pm On Jun 23, 2012
If you so much want the house to summon the President why not lobby your representative to start an impeachment process, that's their only chance but the impeachment must be supported by a clear breach of conduct over a specific crime or crimes committed while in Office.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 1:32pm On Jun 23, 2012
The Judiciary if you must know is a 3rd arm of Government which wields a lot of power as well.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:32pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:
The Judiciary if you must know is a 3rd arm of Government which wields a lot of power as well.
Again . .. Enough of the Bulls-hitting and attempts at derailing the discussion. . . You probably love to read your own yaps, and that is fine for you . . . . Most of us just want to deal with the facts
Kobojunkie: Instead, Tell us where these crystal clear conditions on IMPEACHMENT-ONLY SUMMONING can be found in the Constitution . . . Please SHOW US, don't tell us!!

Show us where in the Constitution it is written.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by icez: 1:34pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:
If you so much want the house to summon the President why not lobby your representative to start an impeachment process, that's their only chance but the impeachment must be supported by a clear breach of conduct over a specific crime or crimes committed while in Office.


+10000. wink
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:37pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:
If you so much want the house to summon the President why not lobby your representative to start an impeachment process, that's their only chance but the impeachment must be supported by a clear breach of conduct over a specific crime or crimes committed while in Office.

Again . .. Enough of the Bulls-hitting and attempts at derailing the discussion. . . You probably love to read your own yaps, and that is fine for you . . . . Most of us just want to deal with the facts
Kobojunkie: Instead, Tell us where these crystal clear conditions on IMPEACHMENT-ONLY SUMMONING can be found in the Constitution . . . Please SHOW US, don't tell us!!

Show us where in the Constitution it is written.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 1:39pm On Jun 23, 2012
am i your paralegal.

why can't you just stop insulting or talking down on somebody who isn't in agreement with you?
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:41pm On Jun 23, 2012
You ARE not a paralegal but you can make statements you are unable to substantiate? Anyways, you have wasted enough of my time. Goodluck!
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 1:42pm On Jun 23, 2012
Anyways, Back to sanity . . .

chidexy:

While technically, the House can summon anyone, but they cannot extend such powers to the President since they do not have the legal authority to enforce his being summoned - it's a simple as that.

Say, under what legal authority are they summoning the President and Commander in-Chief?

Um.. . . again, the House CAN SUMMON ANYONE(ANYONE means EVERYONE), so says the Constitution. . . . and as long as NO ONE is EXEMPT FROM THAT RULE(THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS APPLIED FOR ANYONE), thats mean that the HOUSE can summon even the president. You claimed to speak of a PRESIDENTIAL SYSTEM, then I suggest you get to work READING UP ON YOUR CONSTITUTION AND WHAT IT SAYS. It is the same even here in the UNITED states.

Please Educate yourself especially since I see you have followers to seem to cling to your words there. IF THE CONSTITUTIONS MAKES NO EXCEPTION, the the rule applies to ALL and SUNDRY.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by ODB1: 1:49pm On Jun 23, 2012
Because am no longer interested in arguing with your dense self doesn't mean it's time to celebrate a victory and when I told you am not your paralegal it means am not your research boy.
wallow in your own swine filth of ignorance.
When it backfires on those apprentice law makers as is usually the case, don't come here screaming that the House was once again undermined by GEJ.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Eagle75: 2:21pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B. u get time ooo, you've made ur point just move on.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by tribalism(m): 3:20pm On Jun 23, 2012
a house without integrity.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by maclatunji: 3:22pm On Jun 23, 2012
O.D.B.:

that was an impeachment

My point exactly.
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by porka: 7:56pm On Jun 23, 2012
Kobojunkie:

Please learn about your Government and the various powers it really has. NASS does not have power to solve Security issues. That power belongs to the Executive, which is your President and all those under him.

This house has been there about a year, and it is just as good a time as any to start asking what the F**k is going on, since we doled out almost a Trillion naira to solve security so far.

Hello Madam, I can see that you are trying very hard to justify this nonsense summons. While the constitution gives the power of summons to the NASS, it also gives the president immunity against arrest (prosecution) which is the only recourse the NASS has in case the person summon refused the summons. So if you cannot effect the arrest of the president when he refuses (he will not go because no president has thus been summon and Jonathan will not lay a precedence), why issue the summons. What exactly will they do if he refused to appear before them? Call for impeachment? Then they are going to cause one of the gravest security challenges this country has ever faced, i.e. the resurgence of ND militancy. And then the security challenge will just escalate. Now tell me, how has that solve their problems?
Re: Jonathan Must Come To NASS, Reps Insist by Kobojunkie: 8:12pm On Jun 23, 2012
porka:

Hello Madam, I can see that you are trying very hard to justify this nonsense summons.

Since it seems a lot of you are simply here to argue blindly. Let me help you

http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm

89. (1) For the purposes of any investigation under section 88 of this Constitutional and subject to the provisions thereof, the Senate or the House of Representatives or a committee appointed in accordance with section 62 of this Constitution shall have power to -

(a) procure all such evidence, written or oral, direct or circumstantial, as it may think necessary or desirable, and examine all persons as witnesses whose evidence may be material or relevant to the subject matter;

(b) require such evidence to be given on oath;

(c) [size=13pt]summon any person in Nigeria to give evidence at any place or produce any document or other thing in his possession or under his control, and examine him as a witness and require him to produce any document or other thing in his possession or under his control, subject to all just exceptions; [/size]and

(d) issue a warrant to compel the attendance of any person who, after having been summoned to attend, fails, refuses or neglects to do so and does not excuse such failure, refusal or neglect to the satisfaction of the House or the committee in question, and order him to pay all costs which may have been occasioned in compelling his attendance or by reason of his failure, refusal or neglect to obey the summons, and also to impose such fine as may be prescribed for any such failure, refused or neglect; and any fine so imposed shall be recoverable in the same manner as a fine imposed by a court of law.

(2) A summons or warrant issued under this section may be served or executed by any member of the Nigeria Police Force or by any person authorised in that behalf by the President of the Senate or the Speaker of the House of Representatives, as the case may require.



porka:
While the constitution gives the power of summons to the NASS, it also gives the president immunity against arrest (prosecution) which is the only recourse the NASS has in case the person summon refused the summons. So if you cannot effect the arrest of the president when he refuses (he will not go because no president has thus been summon and Jonathan will not lay a precedence), why issue the summons.
While the above response from the Constitution already address the compelling of the person to appear, I should ask that you learn to DISCONNECT issues appropriately.

A Summons by NASS has NOTHING to do with immunity, or arrest but usually a call to testify or answer questions. When you want to discuss Immunity then you talk of the courts being involved and NASS is not the Nigerian Court.


http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm

308. (1) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Constitution, but subject to subsection (2) of this section -

(a) no civil or criminal proceedings shall be instituted or continued against a person to whom this section applies during his period of office;

(b) a person to whom this section applies shall not be arrested or imprisoned during that period either in pursuance of the process of any court or otherwise; and

(c) no process of any court requiring or compelling the appearance of a person to whom this section applies, shall be applied for or issued:

Provided that in ascertaining whether any period of limitation has expired for the purposes of any proceedings against a person to whom this section applies, no account shall be taken of his period of office.

(2) The provisions of subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to civil proceedings against a person to whom this section applies in his official capacity or to civil or criminal proceedings in which such a person is only a nominal party.

(3) This section applies to a person holding the office of President or Vice-President, Governor or Deputy Governor; and the reference in this section to "period of office" is a reference to the period during which the person holding such office is required to perform the functions of the office.

porka:
What exactly will they do if he refused to appear before them? Call for impeachment? Then they are going to cause one of the gravest security challenges this country has ever faced, i.e. the resurgence of ND militancy. And then the security challenge will just escalate. Now tell me, how has that solve their problems?

Please go study your constitution, and learn the meaning and application of these words, so you do not come back asking me of things that are clearly explained in that document.

Again, a Summons is NOT an accusation or suggestion of guilt. It is simply a summon. The constitution explains why it can happen, when, and what happens if turned down. If the President turns it down without consequence, then anyone else can, and should EQUALLY be able to turn it down without consequence.

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