tbaba1234: ^ Ignorant post like all the others but id respond to this one.../

1. Zakat: Zakat is defined as 2.5% of disposable wealth... a poor man does not have that... the zakat is only for those that have wealth to give. poor people are the recipients of Zakat.

tbaba1234:
2. Halal food- Your friend has the option of sea-food so he doesn't have to travel; He knows why he is making the trip. I really do not think it is any of your business quite frankly.

Also, those who are forced by necessity in the case of extreme hunger/poverty can eat non-halal meat as long as it is not done to disobey.

....but if any of you is forced by hunger to eat forbidden food, with no intention of doing wrong, then God is most forgiving and merciful. (Surah 5:3)

tbaba1234:
3. Looking for jobs in the alcoholic industry is not an option for a muslim... If one can get a job in that industry, he can get in other industries.

tbaba1234:
4. Hajj is only compulsory on those that can afford it...

tbaba1234:
5. yes,

tbaba1234: Nothing buttresses your point: The only thing highlighted is the flexibility of Islam to the conditions of all parties: the rich and the poor.

A poor person does not have to fulfill the requirements of zakat and hajj.. It is not compulsory on him. It does not affect his Islam;

For someone with the resources, it is compulsory and it does affect his Islam

You see what we have here is a religion that recognizes the plight of everyone....


Giving charity does not just entail giving financial compensation, a smile in the face of your brother is charity. Every muslim can give charity on some level, it is independent of your financial resources...

^Cheers01 , i suspect is logicboy.... shallow discussions

Cheers01: Where is LagosShia on this topic? Maybe there is a differing opinion on this?

tbaba1234: ......and can find no water, then take some clean sand and wipe your face and hands with it. God does not wish to place any burden on you: He only wishes to cleanse you and perfect His blessing on you, so that you may be thankful. (Surah maidah:6)

tbaba1234: Ps logicboy: get a life, you seem like an obsessed person

LagosShia: lol

i don't know why some people can ridiculously be obessessed with any Islam to such ridiculous extent

Cheers01: This is a question I asked myself after I gave a beggar my bacon/cheese burger at Burger King (eff Mcdonalds )


1) Zakat
A broke, poor man can not give alms.

2) Halal food.
When I was a student, one of my classmates had to go to the next town to buy halal meat. He was continually broke because of this endeavour. Many towns in the UK do not have halal food stores.

Also, how can a broke man afford to be picky with meat in a non-muslim country? Beggars cant be choosers.


3) Jobs
The alcohol industry employs thousands of people in the UK. Faced between recession + a hungry family and a managerial job in a Beer company. Difficult. Can apoor man afford to be picky with employment offers?


4) Hajj
Can a poor/broke man in Nigeria travel to Mecca?


5) Sawm
Can a poor man afford to fast?

MacDaddy01: How does a poor muslim in the desert know where to face to pray?

Cheers01:

Nice one, Sherlock! You talk as if I havent declared that Cheers01 is logicboy's other account?


As for Islam being flexible, you are being mischevous. You said before that Islam is conservative and now it is flexible?


Okay, to the main point. Zakat and Hajj are pillars of islam. Pillars that become unnecessary to about millions of of muslims in Nigeria alone who live in poverty.


How is the Haram of Alcohol considerate to unemployed man given a job in an alcoholic beverage company? How? In this recession?

Like I said, it might not be for poor people.

justaqad:


flexibility of islam....
: “On no soul does Allah place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns.” (Surat al-Baqara, 2:286)

justaqad:

and whats ur point exactly?

MacDaddy01:

Derp derp.

Islam is not for poor people.

MacDaddy01:
Explain how slavery is a burden any human can bear. Did God allow people to be slaves and eunuchs because it is bearable? Remember that slavery isnt haraam in the Quran.

Religion makes one heartless.

justaqad:

hajj and zakat are obligated on those who can afford it,how is it a burden on the poor?

justaqad:

there is NOT A SINGLE statement in the Qur’an, whereby
believers are commanded to enslave other human beings, and as
the Qur’an has called for freeing of slaves as a meritorious act,
alleviated their status by way of marriage as well as economic
support, and declared that servitude is due to God alone (51:56)
and no human being, no matter how high a status he may occupy, that status be of a Prophet of God even, has the right to say to
people ‘be my slaves’ (3:79), it is wrong to suggest that the Book
sanctions slavery.

MacDaddy01:


Who said it is a burden on the poor? Two pillars of Islam that the poor can not partake in. Face it, your religion is not for the poor.

MacDaddy01:

Yawn.

Who was Rayahna? A slave or a free person.


Did Muhammad have slaves, yes or no?

justaqad:
hehehehehehehehehe,diversionary tactics.
Where in the quran is slavery sanctioned?

justaqad:
the etiquettes of zakat is creating social balance,salvation does not lie in zakat,it is a kind gestures of rich muslims towards the poorer muslims.
The basic and essential objective of Zakat is purification of the soul. It cures the lust for wealth, infuses the feat Allah in man’s heart and makes one amenable to good deeds. The Holy Qur’an says: “And away from it (Hell) shall be kept the most pious one, who gives away his wealth in order to purify himself.” (XCIL:17-18) On another occasion Allah addresses and exhorts the Holy Prophet (Pbuh) in these words: “Take alms of their wealth, wherewith you may cleanse and purify them.” (9: 103) These verses make the real importance of Zakat quite clear: it aims to emancipate the heart from temporal preoccupations and purifies the soul. It is an acknowledged fact that the love of material things is the real enemy of prayer. It turns a man away from Allah and the After-life. The Holy Prophet once said: “The root of all evil is the love of worldly things.” (Mishkat) Although temporal love includes many things the most powerful and dangerous of all is the love of material wealth. The Holy Prophet has, therefore, regarded it as the greatest of all evils for the Muslims: “The trial for my Ummah is wealth.” (Tirmidhi) If a Muslim can save himself from the lure of wealth, he will be able to protect himself from many other vices. Because of its basic aim and purpose, poor- due is known as zakat in Islam. Literally it means both purification and growth. To give a portion of one’s income to the needy for the pleasure of Allah is called Zakat because it purifies the soul. It must, however, be remembered that the aim of zakat is achieved only when its payment is motivated by sincere desire and practical effort. The pleasure of Allah should be the first and foremost consideration while paying Zakat. It must be free from every other motive. Zakat should be paid out of the income earned only by fair and honest means. Whatever is paid should be respectable. If cheap and worthless stuff is given in zakat it will go in vain. It will be no better than a hypocritical gesture. Zakat’s beneficiary should neither be made to feel grateful for it, nor should his feelings
and self-respect be hurt. Otherwise, Zakat will cease to have any meaning. One secondary objective of the poor-due is to provide basic necessities to poor Muslims. The Holy Prophet said: “Verily Allah has ordained the payment of Zakat on them (Muslims). It will be taken from the rich and returned to the poor.” (Muslim) These Traditions make it quite obvious that there is also a social and economic aspect of the poor-due without which its Islamic concept remains incomplete. The other secondary objective of Zakat is the help and support of Islam. While giving the details of the beneficiaries of Zakat the Holy Qur’an says: “The alms are only for the poor and the needy, and for those who collect them, and those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free the captives and the debtors and for the cause of Allah, and for the wayfarers.” (9:60)

justaqad:

hehehehehehehehehe,diversionary tactics.
Where in the quran is slavery sanctioned?