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Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by ZhulFiqar2: 6:12pm On Jul 04, 2012 |
so that we are not accused of "evading" the topic or "derailing" his thread i have opened this thread for Vedaxcool to answer this post below by LagosShia: LagosShia: ^ https://www.nairaland.com/979588/indecent-exposure-hiding-imam-confusion#11329358 |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by LagosShia: 11:31pm On Jul 04, 2012 |
more from Sunni sources on the importance of knowing your Imam of the time: 1.) Sahih Muslim , Hadith 1850: "Whosoever dies while he does not have on his neck a pledge of allegiance dies the death of Jahiliyyah" 2.) Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, vol. 28, p. 88, Number 16876 (Muasassat al-Risalah) records: "Allah’s Apostle said: “Whosoever dies without an Imam dies the death of Jahiliyyah (i.e. a pagan death).” 3.) Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, vol. 10, p. 434 (Muasassat al-Risalah, ed. Shaykh Shua’yb al-Arnaut) also records: "Allah’s Apostle said: Whosoever dies while he does not have an Imam over him dies the death of Jahiliyyah". |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by vedaxcool(m): 9:18am On Jul 05, 2012 |
the Prophet (peace be upon him) said – as related by `Abd Allah b. `Umar – “Whoever dies without being bound by the oath of allegiance (bay`ah), dies the death of the time of ignorance.” [Sahîh Muslim (1851)] The matter is further explained by the hadith: Imam Muslim (Rahimahullah) has related in his Sahih (3/4553) a Hadith on the authority of Hudhaifa ibn al-Yaman (Allah be pleased with him), who said: "People used to ask the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) about the good times, but I used to ask him about (the) bad times fearing lest they overtake me. I said, 'Messenger of Allah, we were in the midst of ignorance and evil, and then Allah brought us this good (time through Islam). Is there any bad time after this good one?' He said, 'Yes'. I asked, 'Will there be a good time again after that bad time?' He said, 'Yes, but therein will be a hidden evil.' I asked, 'What will be the evil hidden therein?' He said, '(That time will witness the rise of) the people who will adopt ways other than mine and seek guidance other than mine. You will know good points as well as bad points.' I asked, 'Will there be a bad time after this good one?' He said, 'Yes. (A time will come) when there will be people standing and inviting at the gates of Hell. Whoso responds to their call, they will throw them into the fire.' I said, 'Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), describe them for us.' He said, 'All right. They will be a people having the same complexion as ours and speaking our language.' I said, `Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), what do you suggest if I happen to live in their time?' He said, 'You should stick to the main body of the Muslims and their leader' I said, 'If they have no (such thing as the) main body of the Muslims and have no leader?' He said, 'Separate yourself from all these factions, though you may have to eat the roots of trees until death comes to you and you are in this state.'" In Nigeria we recognise the Sultan Sokoto to be the leader of Muslims in the country, different location regard different people to be their leader w.r.t to matters pertaining religion and as the quote explains, the hadith is applicable only when the conditions for its application are met. When Imam Ahmad was asked about the meaning of this hadîth, he replied: “Do you know what an imam is? The imam is the one around whom the Muslims are united. All of them say that he is the imam, and this is what it means.” [This statement was related by Muhammad b. Ishâq in his Masâ’il (2/185) and by al-Khallâl in al-Imân] It remains funny that you all rushed in frustration to start this thread, looking for a way while Imam Hiding is just hiding not even providing tangible evidence to advance you case, like I do say lols and lmaos seems appropriate! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by ZhulFiqar2: 9:57am On Jul 05, 2012 |
Please watch the below video (its 4 minutes and 36 seconds).a real life experience on how a Muslim must have an "imam of the time": http://youtube.ng/watch?v=O_ydHL1d66A |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by LagosShia: 10:25am On Jul 05, 2012 |
How to Pledge Allegiance to the Imam of the Time,the 12th Imam (aj),Imam Muhammad Ibn al-Hassan,al-Mahdi (aj)-Ziyarat al-Ahd (Visitation/Dua of Allegiance): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXzsr-Eeq_o Here is the the text of the pledge which can be recited daily preferably after fajr salat.the translation is also in the link: http://www.sibtayn.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2893&Itemid=474 |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by ZhulFiqar2: 10:32am On Jul 05, 2012 |
Imam Ja'far Ibn Muhammad,as-Sadiq,the sixth holy Imam (as) said “Anyone who sends peace to Prophet Muhammad and his descendants after saying his prayers, won’t die before seeing and recognizing Imam Mahdi.” "send peace upon Muhammad (sa) and his descendants (as)"=durood durood="Allahumma Solli Ala Muhammad Wa Allee Muhammad".... |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by LagosShia: 12:45pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
"Only those who have their Imam's Understanding (Maarifat) and their Imam also knows them will enter heaven. Only those who will be dumped in hell, those who dont understand their Imam, Neither does their Imam understands them"-Imam Ali (as). Ref.:Nahjul Balagha - Sermon 150 |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by LagosShia: 8:51pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
Imam Musa al-Kazim (a.s.),the seventh holy Imam, says: "Blessed are those of our Shias who during the occultation of our Qaim remain attached to our Wilayat (guardianship) and who are steadfast in devotion for us, who have declared immunity from our enemies. They are from us and we are from them. And indeed they have preferred us for Imamate and we have also selected them as our followers (Shia). Congratulations to them and blessed be they (Shias). By Allah, on the Day of Judgment they shall be in our grades." Kamaluddin; Shaykh Saduq; Vol. 2/361 |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by ZhulFiqar2: 11:19pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
[size=14pt]Dua al-Faraj (Supplication for the Hastening of the Reappearance of Imam Mahdi-ajtfs)[/size] (with english subtitles) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9aTvoiMvR8 |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by LagosShia: 1:35am On Jul 06, 2012 |
vedaxcool:The question remains who is the imam of the time for sunnis?where is the sunni caliphate that ended with the ottoman empire's demise? This is a classical example of what the holy Quran describes as 'truth has come and falsehood has vanished for falsehood is bound to vanish by its nature'. Also what or who is considered/constitute an imam? Does the sultan of sokoto who inherited the thrown be considered an imam? Is monarchy islamic? Do the majority of muslims or even sunnis consider Vedaxcool's imam in sokoto to be their leader? What makes him the leader and says who? Have muslims in nigeria paid allegiance to him?the hot slap in Vedaxcool lying mouth is a big NO!do nigerian muslims obey Vedaxcool sultan's imamate?if not then what makes him Vedaxcool's imam? How many 'imams' do sunnis have? Who among them is the caliph or successor of the Prophet? No one? The obvious fact is sunnis religious-wise have no 'imam'.they are like a flock without shepherd.the Prophet (sa) clearly stated there is an imam of the time.he said 'the' imam of the time and not 'an' imam or any imam. One more nail into the coffin from the past: 1.) Sayyida Fatima (as) who is considered a righteous and pious part of the Prophet (sa) died without recognizing the first sunni caliph,abu bakr,as her imam.was she (astagfirullah) misguided? 2.) Imam Hussain (as),righteous and pious part of Prophet Muhammad (sa) revolted against yazeed after the majority of lazy and misguided muslims bowed their heads in humiliation.Imam Hussain (as) still did not recognize yazeed as his imam.in the view of sunnis was Imam Hussain (as) a 'jahil" (astagfirullah)? 3.) Both aisha and muawiya loved by sunnis and they are treacherous and controversial rose and fought Imam Ali (as) when he was accepted by all muslims as caliph.did they die the death of jahiliyyah or not? And mallam Vedaxcool have not told us who his 12 successors are. You can quote silly words you see as hadith to label others as misguided while you are so obviously dogmatic and blind.I won't pray that Allah should guide you because you are deliberately and shamelessly dishonest.so may Allah raise you in the company of those you consider as your 'imams',the likes of yazeed and his fellow monarchs in the sunni world. |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by ZhulFiqar2: 2:15am On Jul 06, 2012 |
If the matter is as simple as knowing who the local leader of muslims is by whatever merit or means,then the Prophet (s) would have said :'he who does not recognize the imam of the muslims (I.e. The majority in a place) before his death has died the death of jahiliyyah'.but that isn't what he said.he said anyone who doesn't know the imam of the time (not the imam of muslims but of the time) has died the death of jahiliyyah.there can be many imams of different places but only one imam of the time.the point is if sunnis live in an era,they as a body must have an imam of the time.time is one and the same even if people differ and live in distant lands.the fact that nigerian sunnis have the sultan of sokoto as their leader (and not all nigerians accept him as such) and chinese sunnis may have their own leader if at all,shows there is no imam of the time for all sunnis but pseudo imams of different places.so between the different imams of different places who among them is not a localized imam of a place but a universal imam of the time?it is about time not place.and the Prophet (sa) didn't say imam of the town or place but of the time.time is one,uniform and encompassing.therefore whether in japan or kenya,there must be one imam of the year 2012 and not an imam of a place.otherwise how many imams would sunnis have in one year?if the Prophet (sa) was for all places and time,then who is this imam of the time for all places?obviously by Vedaxcool's smartness only few among sunnis could follow the imam of the time instead of their place because they are fragmented and no leadership to unite them as the time they're living in covers them all. |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by vedaxcool(m): 9:11am On Jul 06, 2012 |
Here you are loving them but they are not loving you, while you believe in the Scripture - all of it. And when they meet you, they say, "We believe." But when they are alone, they bite their fingertips at you in rage. Say, "Die in your rage. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of that within the breasts." 3: 119 a word is indeed enough for the wise but will the fools pay heed? 1 Like |
Re: Vedaxcool Please Answer:Who Is The Sunni 'Imam Of The Time'? by Rafidi: 9:54am On Jul 06, 2012 |
Usually I know that it is the shahada that makes one a muslim and without it one would die a kaffir.what is so important in the imam of time that not knowing him would lead to a death of jahiliyya? Isn't therefore this imam of the time someone pure,knowledgeable and full of guidance? Can the rule of tyrants,monarchs and corrupt politicians give salvation if you recognize them? Or would it further lead you into misguidance and all the way to hell fire? What if you oppose the ruler because of corruption and tyranny,would you go to hell because you stand against and does recognize him as leader (imam)? Can the imam of the period (time) for muslims be someone people agree on and disagree?then everyone is the imam because you can decide who to give power and who not to.that is democracy and not Islam where rule belongs to Allah and government or leadership is by Allah,of Allah's chosen and by Allah.if imam of the time is anyone,then anyone you can see and call imam even the ones with no knowledge?an imam therefore is guidance just like the Quran is guidance and revelations of Allah in the Quran are referred to as 'imam' figuratively.the imam the Prophet (s) referring to is no different from the one (Imam Ali) he appointed in Ghadir Khumm for muslims of that time.in Hadith of the Two Weighty Things,the Ahlul-Bayt (as) among whom are the 12 Imams (a) is one of the Two and the Quran is the other. similarly in the holy Quran there are the verse of wilayah and the verse of ulil-amr.the verse of wilayah establishes the leadership of the first imam,Imam Ali (a) while the verse of the ulil-amr establishes the leadership of the 12 Imams (a).may Allah Ta'ala hasten the faraj (reappearance) of the 12th Imam from the progeny of our Prophet Muhammad (sa) to guide us,bring justice to the earth for humanity,peace and destroy the tyranny of false leaders and monarchs who do not know him and Islam would be firmly established in all corners of the earth.ameen. |
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